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Post by b6k on Feb 17, 2014 0:03:48 GMT 3
Now that was a valiant effort on your part, Phil. At least you have toned down the insults to yours truly...and directed them fully at Jakaswanga (the board policeman & "primitive windbag"). HHOS! You still have the wrong number on me if you believe that my aim is to reduce your thread to a Jubilee vs CORD supremacy contest. Clearly you've never understood where I'm coming from. My premise has always been there is little difference whether you have Jubilee or CORD running the show...there will be mega corruption regardless of party affiliation because it's just the way it is in +254. Case in point, if indeed the folks over at Jubilee were fully concentrated on the ICC question wouldn't it make sense for them to curb corruption and channel all funds towards fighting the court? The fact remains, it's business or politics as usual in good old KE... As to the folks over at Jane's, we don't have long to wait. I'm sure we'll analyze their predictions in the weeks/months/years to come. I suspect some of them are not too far off the mark... Regarding your posts, as I told OO earlier on another thread, why do you consider criticism of your views as a gag order as if it were from the high court? I'm just another blogger on this forum, much junior to most when it comes to membership on this forum as even the admin reminds practically every quarter. Say what you want to say. That said I reserve the right to shoot down what you say not as a means of silencing you but simply to show that there are other ways to look at what you decide to post. Especially when you transcribe memos from Orange House virtually verbatim b6k, primitive windbag here! --Coming from the promised land, that is the land with ODM governors, I can report how paradise looks like! Are you sure you want to hear!? There is this guy called Jack Ranguma in Kisumu. One faction, whatever their motivations, wanted a severe audit of the properties and monies of the late Kisumu municipal/city council. And have them re-possessed [the land plots and houses sold off or grabbed]. then the list of the grabbers started to filter out! All royalty! So we can surmise why James Orengo was such a docile lands minister! So long phil is a spindoctor coming here to earn keep with Orange House verbatim material, He will continue to be drenched in particularly vehement burst of rotten wind from the posterior of some self-appointed policemen you might have heard of of late! however senior a member he be! Well, well, well, Jakaswanga. It looks like you struck a nerve! It looks like there's an ODM convention encircling you right here on Jukwaa Isn't Ranguma one of several governors lined up on the chopping block summons list by their "juniors" (aka senators)? Rumor has it that his impeachment hearings will make Wambora of Embu look like he really still is an altar boy who wouldn't steal a cent from Moi's harambee kitty when it comes to gubernatorial fiscal shenanigans. Naturally the corruption cuts across party lines but Ranguma in particular promises to show why Jukwaa has blossomed orange coloured petals for the first time since just before the tyranny of numbers took effect last March...
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Post by b6k on Feb 17, 2014 0:39:47 GMT 3
Ndugu phil, Let me say karibu tena in Jukwaa. I am sure some of us who frequent Jukwaa miss your informative contributions, irrespective of our political or ideological inclinations. Ideed, I wish our comrade adongo 23456... and our good daktari job were here with us once again. And of course I acknowledge mzee and prominent others who have somehow maintained a distance from Jukwaa. Nevertheless, DC is also ours even though some of us have grown cold in our posts contributions. Wakenya ni ndugu, if only we know how! Having said that, I am glad that we have Jakaswanga with us in Jukwaa, and our OtishO, brother Kamale, b6k, rastafarian mank, Omundustrong, and all others who keep Jukwaa running and informing us who are somehow quiet! Coming back to the topic in this thread, I am personally in pain seeing what is unfolding before my very eyes on matters and scale of corruption that is currently taking place. What makes me even more sad, is the fact that there is hardly anyone else whom we can begin to imagine will eliminate the vice. Kenyans are being levied from every direction, if just for the sake of lining the pockets of their elected representatives. The nation's wage bill is like a runaway train, with its county governors spending most of their time abroad, with their MCAs on tow, eti luring investments and seeking those life bonding loans and what have you. A friend of mine once told me that he hates Kenya as a Kenyan! Well, I don't actually hate it, although I wish I could love it even more. I hate its politicians though. Alomst all of them MFokers! My only consolation is in knowing that one day they will all and individually taste the darkness of their tombs! Abdulmote, I seen what men do to each other in real time in real life. Brotherhood is a restricted term. That is me. I recognise hate, and then I do not do brotherhood. But that was by the way. What I wanted to say is ... You see the great thing about a thinking, critical blog, is that some random correspondent will think out, and logically link some factors whose relationship otherwise do not seem existent. This is why I always watch the barrel of the [unnamed] sniper’s gun. He may be a ''nominal'' distasteful Jubilee die-hard ---ha ha ha ha! but he is a sure marksman, a sharp-shooter not coy of taking trophies, some of them necessitating a disembowelment of the victim. Like he did with phil’s ruminant anti-Jubilee as-s. B6k offered an EXPLANATION as to phil’s re-appearance here. And he posted a Dalmas Otieno grin to rub it in. I laughed, because I recognised in a flash, that the jolly sniper had hit a bull’s eye once again. The thread had to turn nasty, and you know what, I am sometimes nasty game. MOTIVE, is a very interesting factor in the business of critique. And critique is Jukwaa's bubble we can never let burst. Coz we do not want to go our of business . Some motives influence balance, interpretation, presentation, context, and cloud the clarity of thought. (Teachers like me ever hammer this stuff in class! OBJECTIVITY and pitfalls ... even as we give beautiful girls higher marks ! ] Considering balance, it is therefore important to note, that the chief reason phil is posting HERE, is just as part of an ODM overall media-strategy, in this case targeting cyber space, to deflect the NEGATIVE attention which they feel the the media is saturating their troublesome party elections with, not to mention that iconic heckling in Kisumu. So I will handle both content and motive, because as b6k ever ways, when hogs share the trough of plenty, you heareth not un unsavoury snort! But push aside one trunk from the trough .... As you can see, we are also having an orchestrated if somehow lacklustre fan club cheering Phil. A careful study of the duo, will reveal a certain trait, they are original Luos who once deemed themselves the owners of Jukwaa, and can not stand the fake Luo wind- and scumbug, ever hammering nail after nail into the coffin of the Agwambo. ---(I promise to do a posting on how our dead can come back: My dad was a part-time occult priest of the lake, and I inherited some rituals of ‘’ Luongo Chuny Mosedhi’’! ---resurrection!) You know very well there is a civil war, and it was already finished in Jukwaa long ago, with the defeat of royalists and their decamping to a sister blog. I would love to hear you pretend, esteemed Abdulmote, that you are unaware of the ferocity of this conflict. Elibabeth Ongoro inconsolable in tears, Oburu Odinga with a dagger at Dalmas Otieno’s neck, Orengo a TNA mole! And so creatures emerge from the sewer to terrorise y’alls neighbourhood --- And he who ……. AAAahah hahahaaa ----haaaaa! Or did you want one of my characteristic burst of wind from my cloaca to punctuate the deal? Jakaswanga, gone are the days when Phil would post here signing off with a name that rhymes with Kitale while openly displaying his Orange House Goebbels media credentials. That was when the likelihood of being part of a future serekali looked promising. As things went south, he did a Peter (denial of ODM link three times) & got some of us silenced to no longer refer to him as the ODM media guy...all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding. But, I digress... For the record (again) I am not a "Jubilee diehard". However as you quantify that charge with "nominal" I will let it pass for now. When it comes to Phil's fan club. Do you mean royalists or, being a "compromised" Luo do you mean loyalists? Either word can do. There's a lot cooking at orange house to get the "owners" of Jukwaa to troop back here virtually out of the blue. A thriller indeed Anyway, here's a little tune for those who are tired of the false dichotomies offered by the likes of Phil as if his guy would be the panacea for KE. He had half his loaf and blew it. We need another third force. Maybe someday we will get it...
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Feb 17, 2014 19:16:06 GMT 3
To All:
You can each make your various diverse, divergent, contradictory and contrarian opinions without ONCE needing to launch a single ad hominem attack against ANYONE.
The INSULTS directed at our veteran member Phil are COMPLETELY UNCALLED FOR.
Incidentally, the Phil who posts on Jukwaa is a distinct DIFFERENT individual from Philip Etale who used to work at the ODM Secretariat, their common first names and shared political affiliations notwithstanding.
Onyango Oloo Jukwaa Administrator
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Post by b6k on Feb 17, 2014 23:10:45 GMT 3
To All:You can each make your various diverse, divergent, contradictory and contrarian opinions without ONCE needing to launch a single ad hominem attack against ANYONE.The INSULTS directed at our veteran member Phil are COMPLETELY UNCALLED FOR. Incidentally, the Phil who posts on Jukwaa is a distinct DIFFERENT individual from Philip Etale who used to work at the ODM Secretariat, their common first names and shared political affiliations notwithstanding.Onyango Oloo Jukwaa Administrator Jawohl, herr kommandant. At least we now know even the real Philip Etale has ditched MV ODM...
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Post by jakaswanga on Feb 18, 2014 21:34:14 GMT 3
For the record (again) I am not a "Jubilee diehard". However as you quantify that charge with "nominal" I will let it pass for now. When it comes to Phil's fan club. Do you mean royalists or, being a "compromised" Luo do you mean loyalists? Either word can do. There's a lot cooking at orange house to get the "owners" of Jukwaa to troop back here virtually out of the blue. A thriller indeed Well on the first, was just pulling your leg, to remind you of the days when one, the reporter, labelled everybody who disagreed with it, a Miguna groupie, or Jubilee crowd, and a certain Onyango Oloo was invariably TNT! --You were the one who was recently mourning the lack of fireworks on Jukwaa. Me? no way I was traumatised by that robot! I like the tranquil boredom nowadays! Let royalists or loyalists have their private court for kumbayas!
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Post by abdulmote on Feb 18, 2014 23:14:57 GMT 3
Ndugu Jakaswanga,
That word again! I intend to comment on your remarks in which you have mentioned my name, out of sheer respect for you brother. I might have time to do that tomorrow, InshaAllah.
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Post by mzee on Feb 19, 2014 12:08:17 GMT 3
I can see a serious attempt to run PHIL and members who dont "fuata nyayo" out of this board. But this wont happen any time soon and I guess many will be disappointed. None of you invited anyone to this board and you will not chase anyone away. Its only OO who has the power to terminate/junk/delete/kill. So just concentrate of the issue at hand and not personalities. Thats the only way have a mature discussion. As long as you are being mature some of us will keep their distance. The moment you become reckless we will intervene.
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Post by kamalet on Feb 19, 2014 15:15:03 GMT 3
To All:You can each make your various diverse, divergent, contradictory and contrarian opinions without ONCE needing to launch a single ad hominem attack against ANYONE.The INSULTS directed at our veteran member Phil are COMPLETELY UNCALLED FOR. Incidentally, the Phil who posts on Jukwaa is a distinct DIFFERENT individual from Philip Etale who used to work at the ODM Secretariat, their common first names and shared political affiliations notwithstanding.Onyango Oloo Jukwaa Administrator Oloo I have seen statements even in the media signed off by Phillip Etale - Communications Director ODM as recent as a few days ago? Why do you "past tense" him when is still the CD of ODM? Or is the Jukwaa Phil the new CD?
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Post by podp on Feb 19, 2014 19:37:47 GMT 3
To All:You can each make your various diverse, divergent, contradictory and contrarian opinions without ONCE needing to launch a single ad hominem attack against ANYONE.The INSULTS directed at our veteran member Phil are COMPLETELY UNCALLED FOR. Incidentally, the Phil who posts on Jukwaa is a distinct DIFFERENT individual from Philip Etale who used to work at the ODM Secretariat, their common first names and shared political affiliations notwithstanding.Onyango Oloo Jukwaa Administrator Oloo I have seen statements even in the media signed off by Phillip Etale - Communications Director ODM as recent as a few days ago? Why do you "past tense" him when is still the CD of ODM? Or is the Jukwaa Phil the new CD? have been revisting 'Heart of Darkness'....We penetrated deeper and deeper into the heart of darkness. It was very quiet there. At night sometimes the roll of drums behind the curtain of trees would run up the river and remain sustained faintly, as if hovering in the air high over our heads, till the first break of day. Whether it meant war, peace, or prayer we could not tell... foa.sourceforge.net/examples/darkness/Darkness.pdfHe won't be forgotten. Whatever he was, he was not common. He had the power to charm or frighten rudimentary souls into an aggravated witch-dance in his honour; he could also fill the small souls of the pilgrims with bitter misgivings: he had one devoted friend at least, and he had conquered one soul in the world that was neither rudimentary nor tainted with self-seeking. No; I can't forget him, though I am not prepared to affirm the fellow was exactly worth the life we lost in getting to him the above is what Michela Wrong introduces her 'In the Footsteps of Mr. Kurtz' Living on the Brink of Disaster in Mobutu's Congo. Wrong explains how the cold war dictator used a mixture of terror and charisma to maintain his hold on the country for three decades. But although the roots of the country's downfall are traced to Western policies the book's title comes from Joseph Conrad's famous anti colonialist novel this book is no anti-imperialist screed. What Wrong finds is a widespread refusal, among Westerners and Congolese alike, to accept responsibility for the country's deterioration, which has led to a situation in which "each man's aim is to leave Congo, acquire qualifications and build a life somewhere else." www.amazon.com/In-Footsteps-Mr-Kurtz-Disaster/dp/0060934433the question most hate to be asked iw whether there is any causal link between the exploitative regimes...start with the the British colonialists, upgrade to old Jomo Kenyatta through Moi to Kibaki and now UhuRuto...and the excesses of their rules, whether a frighteningly efficient klepocratic system effectively softened up a community...wananchi watukufu...for repeat performance? ..start with the the British colonialists, upgrade to old Jome Kenyatta through Moi to Kibaki and now UhuRuto...it wasn't necessary to be an expert on systematic abuse as we have seen with so called land clashes since 50s to the PEV of 2007/08 to know it was possible to be traumatized without knowing why! indeed, amnesia, whether individual or collective, could sometime be the only way of dealing with horror, that human behavior could be altered forever without the cause being openly acknowledged....and in my thinking the likes of Kamalet enjoy the absence of Phil who keeps pricking our consciousness and hence seeks ways to divert the discussion from IMPUNITY THRIVES ALONGSIDE GRAND CORRUPTION UNDER JUBILEE to the individual i.e. Phil Phil should not be cowed to run away
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Post by b6k on Feb 22, 2014 10:58:19 GMT 3
For the record (again) I am not a "Jubilee diehard". However as you quantify that charge with "nominal" I will let it pass for now. When it comes to Phil's fan club. Do you mean royalists or, being a "compromised" Luo do you mean loyalists? Either word can do. There's a lot cooking at orange house to get the "owners" of Jukwaa to troop back here virtually out of the blue. A thriller indeed Well on the first, was just pulling your leg, to remind you of the days when one, the reporter, labelled everybody who disagreed with it, a Miguna groupie, or Jubilee crowd, and a certain Onyango Oloo was invariably TNT! --You were the one who was recently mourning the lack of fireworks on Jukwaa. Me? no way I was traumatised by that robot! I like the tranquil boredom nowadays! Let royalists or loyalists have their private court for kumbayas! Hahaha, indeed there has been little fireworks on Jukwaa...until the impending ODM elections (& the power games around them) roused up "the artists formerly known as the owners of Jukwaa" from their slumber. I say the more the merrier. Kumbaya-land must get a little stale after a while. It's always more interesting when there are rumbles in the jungle
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Post by b6k on Feb 22, 2014 11:39:27 GMT 3
To All:You can each make your various diverse, divergent, contradictory and contrarian opinions without ONCE needing to launch a single ad hominem attack against ANYONE.The INSULTS directed at our veteran member Phil are COMPLETELY UNCALLED FOR. Incidentally, the Phil who posts on Jukwaa is a distinct DIFFERENT individual from Philip Etale who used to work at the ODM Secretariat, their common first names and shared political affiliations notwithstanding.Onyango Oloo Jukwaa Administrator Oloo I have seen statements even in the media signed off by Phillip Etale - Communications Director ODM as recent as a few days ago? Why do you "past tense" him when is still the CD of ODM? Or is the Jukwaa Phil the new CD? ...case in point...
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Post by podp on Feb 23, 2014 9:26:49 GMT 3
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Post by akinyi2005 on Feb 23, 2014 16:35:06 GMT 3
Phil, choices indeed have consequences. the theft continues as your president issues warning number 23..... “In my office, there are people who think that it is a house for making money. We must agree it has to come to an end,” the President warned. “Watu Wajipange. Something will happen soon.”www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000105282Plot to takeover mega irrigation scheme land raises eyebrows
www.standardmedia.co.ke/thecounties/article/2000105308/plot-to-takeover-mega-irrigation-scheme-land-raises-eyebrows?pageNo=3Land experts have raised the red flag over the secrecy surrounding the planned conversion of 1.2 million acres of Galana and Kulana irrigation scheme from public to private land without involving the National Land Commission (NLC).
The experts insist there are a lot of grey areas in the process if not properly handled could see Kenyans get a raw deal on the Sh600 billion land in Coast region. President Uhuru Kenyatta recently launched the Galana-Kulalu food security project, with the focus of producing maize, sugarcane, rearing livestock and fish for domestic consumption and export. The irrigation scheme is the biggest in East Africa. Players in the land industry have however, pointed out that failure to involve NLC in the transfer of the land will lead to an illegality that could be challenged in court. The Government hopes once implemented, the irrigation scheme which covers Kilifi and Tana River counties will not only bridge food shortage but also create employment for residents. However, Kenya Land Alliance national coordinator Odenda Lumumba, pointed out that given the secrecy of the dealings, Government officials involved could in the process make billions of shillings fraudulently. “The project is shrouded in secrecy, we do not know who is in charge, the NLC is not involved, if Kenyans are not careful it may become a cash cow for a few to sell public land and line their pockets,” said Mr Lumumba. Fundamental issues He said there was risk of the public land being transferred to individuals in an obscure way in the pretext of improving food security without due process followed. Lumumba pointed to several adverts in the local dailies inviting bids for the land without clear procedures to be followed. “NLC is supposed to coordinate the acquisition and leasing of the land together with the line ministries of Agriculture, Water and Environment, there is scanty information on the project, we do not know who is coordinating the project while the Government is busy putting a lot of money in the project and at the same time inviting the investors to declare interest in the land,” said Odenda. Land Development and Governance Institute (LDGI), CEO Mwenda Makathimo said the process of leasing out the irrigation scheme would not be legal and constitutional unless Land Act, Section 12, which stated that the NLC shall make regulations prescribing the criteria for allocation of public land including forms of ownership and access to land under all tenure systems and the procedure and manner of setting aside land for investments was not respected. “NLC is also supposed to prescribe the procedures to be followed with respect to auction and disposition of land, repossession of land at the expiry of a lease; and benefit sharing with local communities, this are fundamental issues that need to be addressed,” said Makathimo. He said section 12, sub section 7, was clear that public land should not be allocated unless it has been planned, surveyed and serviced and guidelines for its development prepared by NLC. In an interview with The Standard on Sunday, NLC chairman Mohammed Swazuri admitted the commission has not been involved, therefore raising questions on who is in charge. “We are not involved in the process, different people get different interpretations of the law, for us it is supposed to be of out duty but everyone is busy in the project which we have not been taken on board,” said Dr Swazuri. The project is expected to take five years and cost the government Sh250 billion to construct infrastructure that will support 500,000 acres for maize and 200,000 acres for sugarcane. The remaining land will cater for cattle, game animals and fisheries, horticulture and dairy animals in a project expected to double the production of maize and provide for export. Makathimo observed that there was need for proper valuation to establish what rent or leases interested investors would be charged. “As we speak there is no valuation that has been done even as the government prepares to lease out the land, and this raises the questions of how they will handle the situation, this is a mandate of the NLC or the chief government valuer do to and the valuation made public,” he said. Makathimo said there was need to make public the lease period to avoid previous situations where the rent for land has been ‘pepper con’ meaning that they have gone for nearly nothing. He said the formula and ratio of the food produced in the irrigation scheme also needed to be discussed and addressed given that some countries had suffered a great deal due to raw deals. “The public should know what they are entering into and this will also avoid situations that have bedeviled similar projects in other African countries like Ethiopia, Senegal, Angola, Malawi, Mali and Madagascar where locals are now getting raw deal due to poorly negotiated agreements,” said Makathimo. Tana River Governor Hussein Dado said that there were minimal consultations with the locals though talks were still ongoing to see how they would benefit from the irrigation scheme. “About 80 per cent of the project is in Tana River County, we know little about the plans, we have raised a lot of issues with the national government, we are still discussing, but we would like to insist that the local leadership and the residents ought to be fully involved in the project,” said Mr Dado. LDGI Chairman Ibrahim Mwathane said while the government was investing millions of shillings in the project, it was not clear how the infrastructure would be maintained. “The government should consider having a ‘sinking fund’ that will be charged on the investors and this will be used to maintain the infrastructural developments which will cost the government billions of shillings to put up,” said Mwathane. Agriculture Principal Secretary Sicily Kariuki explained that though investors had shown interests in the irrigation scheme, small-scale farmers would be factored in the project as well. “We will also encourage local investors and small scale farmers and give them incentives and subsidies so as participate in the project,” said Ms Kariuki. She said every investor will lease the land but the government would still own the same. Lumumba said the National Land policy, Land Act and NLC Act were clear and expressly gave the commission powers and responsibilities which if not executed would put their mandate to question. “We cannot have a commission whining and saying that we have not been involved in fact failure by the NLC to act will be an omission in itself and they should be held accountable if it turns out that the acquisition is fraudulent,” said Lumumba.
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Post by podp on Feb 25, 2014 19:46:28 GMT 3
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Post by wanyee on Feb 28, 2014 19:07:03 GMT 3
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Post by phil on Mar 5, 2014 7:51:40 GMT 3
We are leaving in a country where we decide if to comply by court orders. A country where a president unilaterally converges an extended cabinet meeting at a five star hotel (less than 50kms from a fully equipped state lodge) despite own ban on luxury hotel retreats.
Meanwhile East Africa Portland Cement is freely given to a Nigerian business mogul in exchange for business deals from the West African country, not forgetting the Chinese monopolized exploitation of Kenya's mineral resources, and their local agents like Beth Mugo and Ngegi Muigai.
Sema my DNA is TNA...!
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Post by kamalet on Mar 5, 2014 8:40:24 GMT 3
We are leaving in a country where we decide if to comply by court orders. A country where a president unilaterally converges an extended cabinet meeting at a five star hotel (less than 50kms from a fully equipped state lodge) despite own ban on luxury hotel retreats. Meanwhile East Africa Portland Cement is freely given to a Nigerian business mogul in exchange for business deals from the West African country, not forgetting the Chinese monopolized exploitation of Kenya's mineral resources, and their local agents like Beth Mugo and Ngegi Muigai. Sema my DNA is TNA...! Phil Stop the hypocrisy!!! ODM meets at Serena (and Kempinski) to sort out the mess within instead of the plush surroundings of Kilimani where its headquarters are - and this is a party generously funded from taxpayer money!!! As for Portland, do you care to share the details of the free gift to 'a nigerian mogul'? We are still waiting on you to spin away the mess in ODM!
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Post by podp on Mar 5, 2014 9:01:18 GMT 3
We are leaving in a country where we decide if to comply by court orders. A country where a president unilaterally converges an extended cabinet meeting at a five star hotel (less than 50kms from a fully equipped state lodge) despite own ban on luxury hotel retreats. Meanwhile East Africa Portland Cement is freely given to a Nigerian business mogul in exchange for business deals from the West African country, not forgetting the Chinese monopolized exploitation of Kenya's mineral resources, and their local agents like Beth Mugo and Ngegi Muigai. Sema my DNA is TNA...! Phil Stop the hypocrisy!!! ODM meets at Serena (and Kempinski) to sort out the mess within instead of the plush surroundings of Kilimani where its headquarters are - and this is a party generously funded from taxpayer money!!! As for Portland, do you care to share the details of the free gift to 'a nigerian mogul'? We are still waiting on you to spin away the mess in ODM! www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-157703/three-day-retreat-uhurus-cabinet-nanyukiwhile the above are discussing National Affairs surely we cannot compare them to ODM who are more of Party Affairs. Incidentally when will TNA also hold its elections if it is purporting to be none hypocritical? but as citizens we need to question all Parties and more so the party running GoK affairs! they all owe us an explanation The Mount Kenya Safari Club is one of the most expensive hotels in Kenya with rooms costing Sh55,000 per night, including food but not drinks. With at least 60 government officials booked at the hotel for four nights, the accommodation alone can cost the government Sh14 million. Besides Uhuru and Deputy President William Ruto, there expected to be 18 cabinet ministers in attendance, 25 principal secretaries, and about 20 support staff. This is the first retreat of Cabinet secretaries and the principal secretaries since the Jubilee government was elected exactly one year ago. However just before Christmas, Rotich announced a Sh121 billion austerity drive that halted business class air travel, use of government vehicles outside working hours, and attendance of international conferences. www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-157725/cabinet-defies-rotich-cost-cuts“To curtail costs in this area, all workshops and retreats fully funded by the Government should only be held in government owned institutions,” said Rotich in the circular which was copied to Auditor General Edward Ouko and all accounting officers. Rotich threatened to surcharge accounting officers who defy the directive. someone and eventually many people ought and will tell PORK and Co that they are doing injustice to our taxes and ODM mess is no excuse for them to mess bigger! and they need to be surcharged after all Cabinet meets every week on Thursday in State house some choice comments.... Si Nilikwambia • 6 hours ago Woe unto Kenyans, a government has been in power for a whole YEAR and they are still making promises...we shall this , we should that. They should tell us what they have done. They said in the campaigns that 1. Double digit economy growth in the first year 2. Basic commodities such UNGA will be half price (KSH. 60), 3. Laptops in Schools by MAY 2013 4. No corruptions in state offices. you can add on the list but watch. I think Ruto forgot to mention that another achievement for the JUBILEE government in the last year was making sure that ICC cases collapsed due to neutralization or gross interference with witnesses, issuance of the LAPtop tender to a third party dealer, increased taxes on basic commodities, SGR railway wapende wasipende, political interference in Bungoma and Nyanza and of course putting KETHI KILONZO down etc. What A SHAME what they did to this Country on March 4th 2013. MaizeScandal_23b • 7 hours ago Am not at all suprised. If you put out a circular purportedly putting a stop to this immoral expenditures and tomorrow you go out and do the very same thing it speaks to your character as a person. Uhuru just doesn't give a damn about what people think. He wants to go ahead with the corrupt railway deal no matter the facts. He wants to go ahead with NSSF Tassia corruption no matter what Kenyans think. He will make illegal appointments no matter what Kenyans think. They will call courts idiotic no matter what Kenyans think. By now if you don't know that Uhuru is the embodiment of impunity my guess is you will never get it. They tell people to prepare for hunger and in the meantime they are checking into the most expensive environs you can find. What's funny is he tells his Juniors that if there is failure it's the Juniors failure ! No Uhuru , this is YOUR failure right here !!!
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 5, 2014 22:03:52 GMT 3
Phil Stop the hypocrisy!!! ODM meets at Serena (and Kempinski) to sort out the mess within instead of the plush surroundings of Kilimani where its headquarters are - and this is a party generously funded from taxpayer money!!! As for Portland, do you care to share the details of the free gift to 'a nigerian mogul'? We are still waiting on you to spin away the mess in ODM! www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-157703/three-day-retreat-uhurus-cabinet-nanyukiwhile the above are discussing National Affairs surely we cannot compare them to ODM who are more of Party Affairs. Incidentally when will TNA also hold its elections if it is purporting to be none hypocritical? but as citizens we need to question all Parties and more so the party running GoK affairs! they all owe us an explanationThe Mount Kenya Safari Club is one of the most expensive hotels in Kenya with rooms costing Sh55,000 per night, including food but not drinks. With at least 60 government officials booked at the hotel for four nights, the accommodation alone can cost the government Sh14 million. You are right Podp! In fact if you ask me, I will tell you Harvard Boy Rotich has hidden his brains in his ass as they say, unless he has been overruled. You see he has had to present so much requests for SUPPLEMENTARY BUDGETS, that Uhuru Kenyatta himself was forced two days ago to state: HIYO PESA UTAPATA, various heads of financial departments, NDIYE UTAFANYA NAYE MPAKA FINANCIAL YEAR IISHE! Huu mambo ya supplementary budgets ikome kabisa! ---That is an obvious sign of financial strain at the treasury. Empty pocket blues notes. And then this extravaganza! does not add up yes! But there is a problem Podp! when the guy trying to rub it really in, is an ODM CD! Listen, Phil is correct in assailing the Jubilee Government’s wastage; the only problem is, phil’s own house is burning! When ones own house is gutting, it looks stupid to point in all heat, to the nakedness of the neighbour’s kid, and, soliciting for public condemnation, rant against the parents as they dress off to party after party! Common sense and natural instinct would suggest, and dictate, ones energies are better expended elsewhere! --- firebrigading! And so, as usual, phil falls flat on his phat one-sided ODM ass!
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Post by kamalet on Mar 6, 2014 9:29:36 GMT 3
Uhuru cabinet having an off-site planning meeting would have been achieved at KIA in Kabete, but then the problem is that the 'bonding' that comes with these off-site meetings would not occur at KIA. It is too open for the top honchos in government to be seen craddling glasses of quality alcohol at the expense of the mwananchi. It does not help to know that they cabinet secretaries and their principals all travelled by bus as the savings only meant that the money spent in the Fairmount hotel defeated the same savings!
I actually liked the admonishment from Uhuru on supplementary budgets as this has become the lazy route to beat parliament by not properly doing one's budget by asking for more money through supplementary estimates! If you did not budget for it, then it was not important!
So just like the tax payer money burnt in Nanyuki, even the 32 million wasted in Kasarani was tax payer money passed to ODM through the Political Party Fund.
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Post by phil on Mar 6, 2014 15:50:56 GMT 3
Uhuru cabinet having an off-site planning meeting would have been achieved at KIA in Kabete, but then the problem is that the 'bonding' that comes with these off-site meetings would not occur at KIA. It is too open for the top honchos in government to be seen craddling glasses of quality alcohol at the expense of the mwananchi. It does not help to know that they cabinet secretaries and their principals all travelled by bus as the savings only meant that the money spent in the Fairmount hotel defeated the same savings! I actually liked the admonishment from Uhuru on supplementary budgets as this has become the lazy route to beat parliament by not properly doing one's budget by asking for more money through supplementary estimates! If you did not budget for it, then it was not important! So just like the tax payer money burnt in Nanyuki, even the 32 million wasted in Kasarani was tax payer money passed to ODM through the Political Party Fund. SEMA JUBILEE LARGESSE ---------------------- Kweli its our turn to eat. The advance party that arrived at the hotel on Monday ahead of the president on Thursday, block booked the entire eatablishment, that supposedly belongs to the Kenyatta family co-owning it with Saudi Royals. At the exclusive Fairmont Mount Kenya Safari club where cabinet is holding a retreat, tax payer money is doing the talking. Consider that the entire cabinet plus senior OP/DP officials more than 60 people each KSh 55k per night, plus presidential suites for Uhuru and Ruto (each 250k per night), plus buffet meals breakfast, lunch and dinner, and mid morning and afternoon refreshments for all in attendance, in addition to daily per diem for themselves, their spokesmen, aides, technocrats, PA's, Secretaries and bodyguards, then you begin to wonder what sort of bonding kamalet is talking about. Add that to fuel for their guzzling armoured cars and chase cars that followed them by road as they were flowen to Nanyuki by VIP military aircraft and crew, and chartered commercial aircraft who deployed hoards of crew and maintenance engineers, security at Wilson and at Nanyuki one week prior to arrival, and related logistical arrangement, and that these chartered aircraft did not just drop and leave but waited for the meeting for three days! PHEW! in my conservative estimate, it's nothing less than Kshs. 500million per day, thus in three days, we will be topping the Ksh. 1.5billion figure. Very painful expenditure considering there's two or three state lodges and other government facilities in and around Laikipia and Nyeri that are fully staffed and on standing by....at public expense. I wont even go into who is sleeping with who. That is for another day. KWELI OUR TIME TO EAT (and bond) !!!!
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Post by kamalet on Mar 6, 2014 21:12:47 GMT 3
Phil
Unlike in DC, people at Jukwaa do prefer to deal with a little facts and that is what you fail to do! You do not just publish rubbish and lies and hope to get away with it! Do you really have any proof of the Kenyatta family co-owning the Fairmont hotels? At least they do not deny owning the Heritage Hotel, but you lie is a new low! If you wish to know,only the president flew on an military chopper the DP using other aerial means. The CS and PS wee ferried there by bus.
But you miss the point. The issue is not even the amount, it is about the point of spending it in Nanyuki that we are critical off just as we. Are critical of the 32 measly million shillings we burnt at Kasarani. On this one you cannot even spin and neither can you shed any light on the MIB thugs who disrupted the meeting or event the resignations of key ODM characters like Wambugu or Owallo. But we do not wish to hold our breath that you will tell us anything.
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Post by phil on Mar 7, 2014 7:58:31 GMT 3
Phil Unlike in DC, people at Jukwaa do prefer to deal with a little facts and that is what you fail to do! You do not just publish rubbish and lies and hope to get away with it! Do you really have any proof of the Kenyatta family co-owning the Fairmont hotels? At least they do not deny owning the Heritage Hotel, but you lie is a new low! If you wish to know,only the president flew on an military chopper the DP using other aerial means. The CS and PS wee ferried there by bus. But you miss the point. The issue is not even the amount, it is about the point of spending it in Nanyuki that we are critical off just as we. Are critical of the 32 measly million shillings we burnt at Kasarani. On this one you cannot even spin and neither can you shed any light on the MIB thugs who disrupted the meeting or event the resignations of key ODM characters like Wambugu or Owallo. But we do not wish to hold our breath that you will tell us anything. What I am telling you is there is absolutely no reason for the cabinet retreat at Fairmont Mount Kenya Safari Club about from profiting the owners of the establishment and the aviation operators at Wilson. Kusema na ku tender. And about your whinnying about ODMs aborted NDC, find me comments here : jukwaa.proboards.com/post/129462Whoever is spinning the nonsensical yarn that ODM burnt Sh 32 million tax payer money at Kasarani clearly does not appreciate that political parties fund is money earned. People vote for parties and this money is shared out on the basis of party strength, as a right. It is not an allowance or some sort of allocation that the ODM must account for in the conventional way. Of course political party accounts are audited and published, and ODM has been on the forefront on this. Maybe we should talk about the public money that TNA officials have stolen and are blaming themselves about. Or when they are likely to have delegates elected at all wards in Kenya, and have them vote at grassroot elections before converging somewhere for an NDC. Bure kabisa.
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Post by kamalet on Mar 7, 2014 8:59:07 GMT 3
Phil Unlike in DC, people at Jukwaa do prefer to deal with a little facts and that is what you fail to do! You do not just publish rubbish and lies and hope to get away with it! Do you really have any proof of the Kenyatta family co-owning the Fairmont hotels? At least they do not deny owning the Heritage Hotel, but you lie is a new low! If you wish to know,only the president flew on an military chopper the DP using other aerial means. The CS and PS wee ferried there by bus. But you miss the point. The issue is not even the amount, it is about the point of spending it in Nanyuki that we are critical off just as we. Are critical of the 32 measly million shillings we burnt at Kasarani. On this one you cannot even spin and neither can you shed any light on the MIB thugs who disrupted the meeting or event the resignations of key ODM characters like Wambugu or Owallo. But we do not wish to hold our breath that you will tell us anything. What I am telling you is there is absolutely no reason for the cabinet retreat at Fairmont Mount Kenya Safari Club about from profiting the owners of the establishment and the aviation operators at Wilson. Kusema na ku tender. Thank you for the tactful retreat on your factless rant earlier. Yes the retreat will enrich the owners of Fairmont for use of their facility (it cannot be paid for if it is not used!) as well as those from Wilson. We can agree on the wastage at least! And about your whinnying about ODMs aborted NDC, find me comments here : jukwaa.proboards.com/post/129462Whoever is spinning the nonsensical yarn that ODM burnt Sh 32 million tax payer money at Kasarani clearly does not appreciate that political parties fund is money earned. People vote for parties and this money is shared out on the basis of party strength, as a right. It is not an allowance or some sort of allocation that the ODM must account for in the conventional way. Of course political party accounts are audited and published, and ODM has been on the forefront on this. Maybe we should talk about the public money that TNA officials have stolen and are blaming themselves about. Or when they are likely to have delegates elected at all wards in Kenya, and have them vote at grassroot elections before converging somewhere for an NDC. Bure kabisa. Please note that a responsible party should know that they money was derived from taxpayers - whether by right or stolen! I cannot imagine that you as a member would not be raising an issue about the wastage of the 32 million on the Kasarani shambles and I would like to believe that you will be at the forefront of asking those responsible to pay it back! Entitlement is not equal to waste. If you wish to start a thread on TNA, we shall be happy to comment there!
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Post by podp on Mar 7, 2014 12:50:19 GMT 3
www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-157703/three-day-retreat-uhurus-cabinet-nanyukibut as citizens we need to question all Parties and more so the party running GoK affairs! they all owe us an explanationThe Mount Kenya Safari Club is one of the most expensive hotels in Kenya with rooms costing Sh55,000 per night, including food but not drinks. With at least 60 government officials booked at the hotel for four nights, the accommodation alone can cost the government Sh14 million. You are right Podp! In fact if you ask me, I will tell you Harvard Boy Rotich has hidden his brains in his ass as they say, unless he has been overruled. You see he has had to present so much requests for SUPPLEMENTARY BUDGETS, that Uhuru Kenyatta himself was forced two days ago to state: HIYO PESA UTAPATA, various heads of financial departments, NDIYE UTAFANYA NAYE MPAKA FINANCIAL YEAR IISHE! Huu mambo ya supplementary budgets ikome kabisa! ---That is an obvious sign of financial strain at the treasury. Empty pocket blues notes. And then this extravaganza! does not add up yes! But there is a problem Podp! when the guy trying to rub it really in, is an ODM CD! Listen, Phil is correct in assailing the Jubilee Government’s wastage; the only problem is, phil’s own house is burning! When ones own house is gutting, it looks stupid to point in all heat, to the nakedness of the neighbour’s kid, and, soliciting for public condemnation, rant against the parents as they dress off to party after party! Common sense and natural instinct would suggest, and dictate, ones energies are better expended elsewhere! --- firebrigading! And so, as usual, phil falls flat on his phat one-sided ODM ass! However, citing security and privacy as the primary concerns in this case sends worrying signals about government lack of confidence in the State of security and privacy available at its own State Lodges scattered around the country. On calls for belt-tightening, the government should lead by example. www.nation.co.ke/oped/Editorial/Austerity--Government-must-lead-by-example-/-/440804/2233810/-/a1ckgk/-/index.htmlmuch as I concur with your analogy to Chinua Achebe's fool who chases a rat while fire is burning his house, let us not lose sight to the opposition role of CORD and in this case ODM. I have to confess it was the ODM CD who made me conscious before I confirmed in the dailies on the choice of venue clearly showing Jubilee government is preaching water and drinking wine! and this thread is exactly on that point.
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