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Post by kamalet on Mar 17, 2014 13:51:48 GMT 3
This is how Onyango Oloo ranked in the homophobia test(on the PBS site): Kamale:How did YOU score?Let us compare notes. HONESTLY. Onyango OlooOloo Here is another one: 62 - Your score rates you as "homophobic." In his 1996 study of 64 Caucasian, male college students, Dr. Henry Adams classed 35 participants as "non-homophobic." In 1980, a different research team found 56% of their white, male sample scored in the homophobic range. This is not conclusive, however. Dr. Adams, the researcher who helped develop this scale, writes that "a major difficulty of this area of research is in defining and measuring homophobia." Elsewhere, he cautions: Since there is no universally accepted definition of homophobia, the scales currently in use may not measure all aspects of homophobia. Please note the underlined bit on the pointlessness of this exercise!!
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Post by mank on Mar 18, 2014 1:12:34 GMT 3
Oloo Here are my results: Homophobia Quiz
You have some serious homophobia issues.
You have correctly answered 4 of 15 questions.
On average, 7973 of users who took the quiz gave 9.46 right answers.The stupidity of this test is that your answer is only correct if you answer it in the manner it is designed! I have seen a similar test on christianity where if the answer is No as to your church going behaviour, you fail the test....! So yes if that is the measure, I am homophobic!!! OO, we need better expert literature on the topic. First, preferences cannot be measured on a "correct - incorrect" grid. Just like you would not say in a study of changing tastes for sugar that those who express greater affinity for sugar products are giving "correct" or "incorrect" responses. It is indeed the presumption of correct/incorrect standings on the matter that convinces some people that those with opposed standing are due for a punishment (tragically from the same presumptuous individuals). We need a good definition of homophobia. I read the one you posted and found it inadequate for constructive use: That kind of definition is destructive, in my view. Is a person a homophobe just because he or she has negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality, or must the person express, or be willing to express such attitudes and feelings toward homosexuals to be termed a homophobe? As we have already visited, innate feelings are neither correct nor incorrect. Constructive definitions of sensitive social concepts such as this should distinguish between mere bearing of feelings toward a concept, and extremism toward the concept. It is difficult to change people's feelings toward something, but quite easy to convince people to control how they express those feelings. Incidentally most people control such expressions without prompting. Activism that fails to recognize this truth can be as destructive as (or even more than) the vice it presumably counters.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 18, 2014 3:14:12 GMT 3
Mank:
YOU make me CHUCKLE.
Talk about changing the goal posts.
Please note that neither I, nor anyone associated with Jukwaa, designed ANY of those tests!
Onyango Oloo
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 18, 2014 3:28:41 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 18, 2014 3:30:19 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 18, 2014 3:32:55 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 18, 2014 3:54:38 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 18, 2014 4:06:09 GMT 3
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Post by mank on Mar 18, 2014 4:43:42 GMT 3
Mank:YOU make me CHUCKLE. Talk about changing the goal posts. Please note that neither I, nor anyone associated with Jukwaa, designed ANY of those tests! Onyango Oloo They are silly tests, OO. Let's just stick with our usual agreement that Jukwaa does not condone homophobia. Using instruments like the test in the discussion unfortunately reveals that we are not talking about the same thing when we talk of homophobia. I didn't quit understand "Talk about changing the goal posts."
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 18, 2014 4:54:09 GMT 3
"Silly??!!"
Wow.
Well, all I can say is that Jukwaa is a DEMOCRATIC platform, therefore your assessment of the homophobia tests is just another manifestation of that truth about our ideological diversity.
Onyango Oloo Jukwaa Administrator
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Post by mank on Mar 18, 2014 5:08:10 GMT 3
"Silly??!!" Wow.Well, all I can say is that Jukwaa is a DEMOCRATIC platform, therefore you assessment of the homophobia tests is just another manifestation of that truth about our ideological diversity.Onyango Oloo Jukwaa AdministratorOO, It is due to its design that I term it silly; not because it is about homophobia. But this is even sillier:.
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Post by OtishOtish on Mar 18, 2014 5:16:16 GMT 3
In the end it seemed to me like the fight is just about 'I screw my kind, and I want you to know and profess favor for my appetites!". Why amigo? That's an interesting viewpoint. Another interpretation is: "What I do in my private life, with another consenting adult, is my own business, just as what you do in yours is your own business. I do not want to be victimized for it, any more that you get victimized for yours. And I will not hide who I am." Quite a few gays are fighting for no more than the peace and security to lead a normal life ... that they should not be victimized, in all sorts of ways, merely because they like it "different". I tend to think of those as "rights" rather then "benefits". Why "put faces to it"? Why not just forever slink around in the darkness? Why not just quietly take the abuse, the beatings, ... ? Etc. Because that never works. Oppressed groups never get their rights by just being quiet and waiting for the oppressors to become enlightened. In this debate, "Christians" in particular have forgotten their own early history--the oppression, the persecutions, the slinking in the darkness, the "coming out", ... It is truly astonishing to see "Christians" lead the charge in oppressing others. Of course, the other thing "Christians" have forgotten is what Christ himself was all about. If only it were that simple. Far from it. Plenty of people go out of their own way to make it their business---to look for gays or even those merely suspected of being gay ... and they "look" with the express purpose of victimizing them. People get thrown out of homes, beaten, killed, etc. By the way, some gays are, just like the "other" folks, celibate. So "I am gay" should not necessarily be interpreted as "I am fwacking men all over the place". Nothing to do with "who you sleep with" .... There is actually a great deal more to well-founded, loving human relationships than fwacking. That aside, even if the "telling" is all there is to the public aspect, I note that you haven't explained why that "telling" should bother anyone to the extent we are seeing. Suppose some fellow is indeed fwacking men all over the place. What of it? Why victimize them for it? After all, the "straight" fellows and their women too are into all sorts of different fwacking, including anal.
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Post by mank on Mar 18, 2014 5:47:43 GMT 3
In the end it seemed to me like the fight is just about 'I screw my kind, and I want you to know and profess favor for my appetites!". Why amigo? That's an interesting viewpoint. Another interpretation is: "What I do in my private life, with another consenting adult, is my own business, just as what you do in yours is your own business. I do not want to be victimized for it, any more that you get victimized for yours. And I will not hide who I am." Quite a few gays are fighting for no more than the peace and security to lead a normal life ... that they should not be victimized, in all sorts of ways, merely because they like it "different". I tend to think of those as "rights" rather then "benefits". Why "put faces to it"? Why not just forever slink around in the darkness? Why not just quietly take the abuse, the beatings, ... ? Etc. Because that never works. Oppressed groups never get their rights by just being quiet and waiting for the oppressors to become enlightened. In this debate, "Christians" in particular have forgotten their own early history--the oppression, the persecutions, the slinking in the darkness, the "coming out", ... It is truly astonishing to see "Christians" lead the charge in oppressing others. Of course, the other thing "Christians" have forgotten is what Christ himself was all about. If only it were that simple. Far from it. Plenty of people go out of their own way to make it their business---to look for gays or even those merely suspected of being gay ... and they "look" with the express purpose of victimizing them. People get thrown out of homes, beaten, killed, etc. By the way, some gays are, just like the "other" folks, celibate. So "I am gay" should not necessarily be interpreted as "I am fwacking men all over the place". Nothing to do with "who you sleep with" .... There is actually a great deal more to well-founded, loving human relationships than fwacking. That aside, even if the "telling" is all there is to the public aspect, I note that you haven't explained why that "telling" should bother anyone to the extent we are seeing. Amigo, until this discussion of 'we' versus 'them' began in Kenya I never heard of anybody victimized for being homosexual. So I don't understand what abuse you are saying they would have to take if they do not fight. I don't feel like the authority you seem to hold me with that challenge but as an opinion I will tell you that generally heterosexuals don't want discussions of sex the way gays do. For gay people it is as if sexuality is all that defines them ... so if you have not addressed your feelings toward there homosexuality then you have something against them. I am saying this with reference to some gay people I have had conversations with in the US - and I could be wrong to extrapolate. Even heterosexuals get a backlash when they insist on making their sexual lives their every occasion's subject.
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Post by OtishOtish on Mar 18, 2014 7:06:06 GMT 3
All upright people should strongly condemn such actions. And the rest should keep in mind that such things always start small-small, with the targeting of those seen to be weak and on the margins of society. Where they lead to .... the history books are not short of information on that one, if people would learn from history. Otishotish, I second that. People refuse to learn from history because at this point and station in life it does not further their agendas. What this actually boils down to is ones view of human beings and whether one considers life to be sacrosanct or not. Even Jesus asked those without blemish to cast the first stone. History is replete with all manner of mad folly. In some parts of the USA, until recently, it was accepted to lynch a black man just because he was accused of having looked at a white woman. Was it right? Attempts to understand, condone or even legitimize criminal acts like beating up and/or killing as methods of building opinion, upholding moral values or even dealing with people who may live their lives in ways deemed at odds with ones own moral, ideological, race or whatever position is a journey along a very slippery slope. It is a journey devoid of any deeper sense of purpose or proportionality. Is killing a practicing homosexual (consensual) really justifiable? It is brutish behavior borne out of some very convoluted primal fear.Ebarasi: It's a funny world. There doesn't seem to be a shortage of real problems that people could be working on, but ... Anyway, in red above, I think you have hit the nail squarely on the head.
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Post by kamalet on Mar 18, 2014 10:00:27 GMT 3
My Mum is a Jesus Christ loving lady. She cannot stand the exhibitionism of heterosexuals on TV as well as on the streets. She thinks it is immoral. She thinks prostitution is evil, and homosexuals are worse. Poor old mum is a homophobic as they come and as per the tests run on Jukwaa. She believes that acts of sex should be private affairs and I guess in the confines of some room where the two consenting adults are. What they and how they do it is non of her business.
On to the younger heterosexuals, they will flaunt their femininity and masculinity of how sexually tough they are.....but have you had someone come out to say he is a wanker or to use the formal term masturbates? Everyone seems to frown when the term is used and many will deny, yet a good number in the confines of their beds or bathrooms will work hard on themselves. My point? Society frowns upon certain behaviour but will ignore its existence if it is kept private. That in my view us how homosexuals should behave.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 18, 2014 11:40:51 GMT 3
Why do gays flaunt it?
Some answers from Yahoo:
SOME ANSWERS:
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Post by abdulmote on Mar 20, 2014 0:09:36 GMT 3
Some very sad things happen with us human beings. So arrogant and yet extremely ignorant of our own selves. There are very few things that in my opinion can be classified as 'natural' in what we do in our daily lives. Yes, very few indeed. Otherwise tell me what is so natural about using a laptop or wanting to own some luxurious material things; an expensive watch, a diamond jewellery, an expensive car, a ten bedroomed mansion, etc. What is natural about going to eat in an expensive restaurant or drinking alcohol. What is natural about swearing at others or desperately trying to amass a lot of wealth, capable of lasting well beyond ones own ten lives! What is natural about wanking in fantacy or using a prostitute for sexual gratification? What is natural about smoking cigarettes or a tobacco pipe or havinga preference for hot or spicy foods? What is natural about lying or being loud spoken. I am always fasinated about the way people laugh in a variety of sounds, loudness and lengths. But at least that can be said to be a few remaining acts which is natural, or perhaps it is?
The list is endless in the unnatural human behaviours, if you ask me. Being gay is simply one of those human characteristics I would describe as natural consequence of our rather natural human behavioural traits. Human beings are some very complex creatures to understand. There is so much we don't know about ourselves but we should keep on trying to decipher our mysterious nature. I hope to share some thoughts with you about what I think makes people gay and why others are almost paranoid about them, or shall we say, homophobic. Later.
In the meantime, let us all condemn any acts of violence or abuse of human rights being meted out against others, whether gays, straight, lesbians, or liers! A step towards civilisation is about respecting each others' individuality with an open mind, so long as it does not infringe, threaten or violate others' peaceful social existence. It is a complicated subject, I must admit.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 20, 2014 15:04:14 GMT 3
I totally agree with Abdulmote above; we should treat gays and lesbians just as we treat our sheep and chicken, constantly needing help and guidance; no need to kill and haunt them out of their homes.
~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 20, 2014 17:12:32 GMT 3
I totally agree with Abdulmote above; we should treat gays and lesbians just as we treat our sheep and chicken, constantly needing help and guidance; no need to kill and haunt them out of their homes. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ Where have you been all this time, headmaster? This thread will not have been complete without your deranged ranting. Onyango Oloo
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 20, 2014 17:57:00 GMT 3
I totally agree with Abdulmote above; we should treat gays and lesbians just as we treat our sheep and chicken, constantly needing help and guidance; no need to kill and haunt them out of their homes. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ Where have you been all this time, headmaster? This thread will not have been complete without your deranged ranting. Onyango Oloo Bw OO the admin, it is always good in engagements such as this for one to qualify their perspectives. How exactly did you conclude that my comment above is a deranged rant?~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~
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Post by kamalet on Mar 20, 2014 18:02:27 GMT 3
I totally agree with Abdulmote above; we should treat gays and lesbians just as we treat our sheep and chicken, constantly needing help and guidance; no need to kill and haunt them out of their homes. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ Mwalimu!!!! Is that what you telling the sons of African gentlemen?? You are in so much trouble...I have my cool drink and pop corn ready! Admin shall be having you for supper!
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 21, 2014 0:27:01 GMT 3
I totally agree with Abdulmote above; we should treat gays and lesbians just as we treat our sheep and chicken, constantly needing help and guidance; no need to kill and haunt them out of their homes. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ Mwenzangu at Nyumbakubwa! the Dons in charge of university finances ate the [CBA] monies disbursed toward the house allowance of cooks, watchmen, lab technicians, junior lecturers, gardeners: I think these professorial thieves may need more of our guidance, that they leave the path of thievery and swindling, and walk the righteous way. Sheep and chicken? we do help and guide them where I come from, but with one eventual purpose: slaughter! Just that you know!
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 21, 2014 16:12:14 GMT 3
Head Master:
This is what dictionary.com informs me:
That is what I diagnosed when I read from you.
OO
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Post by KOLONEL BRISK on Mar 26, 2014 22:06:44 GMT 3
www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Homosexuality-a-serious-problem-as-terrorism--says-Duale/-/1064/2258336/-/kgxersz/-/index.htmNow Someone Equates Homosexuality to Terrorism. What a SHAME Majority Leader in the National Assembly Aden Duale has described homosexuality as a problem in Kenya on the same scale as terrorism and suggested it should be handled the same way. But he said it is a social problem and religious leaders should first preach against it. Mr Duale also resisted a suggestion by some MPs that the Government introduce express laws against homosexuality like Uganda. “Uganda has passed a law but for us the Constitution and the Penal Code are very clear. But I want to urge my colleagues that this is a social problem. It is incumbent upon our religious leaders, our political leaders, government, parents, school administrators, we must (campaign against) it,” said Mr Duale. “We need to go on and address this issue the way we want to address terrorism. It’s as serious as terrorism. It’s as serious as any other social evil,” said Mr Duale............................
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Post by OtishOtish on Mar 26, 2014 23:03:25 GMT 3
He, he, he, ... This is truly comedy on a grand scale.
First, a seemingly endless rant about neo-colonialism and imperialism and their courts. Second, USAID---which, for example, spends more on the health of Kenyans than does the government of Kenya, thus savings countless lives---turns out to be an imperialist agent out to overthrow the good & democratically-elected government of Kenya. Third, after a terrorist attack, where does Kenya first seek help?
And now, for good measure, the discovery is made that homosexuality is like terrorism. Hmm. Maybe being gay makes one a terrorist. Or being a terrorist makes one gay. Or maybe some people are born bad, and the homosexuality and terrorism are "covered" by the same "badness" gene. These are heavy points, but as we "cogitate" on them, the leader of Kenya's legislature has been given a clear picture of what is needed: KDF to swing into action ... as soon as there is a "slow-down" in the charcoal business.
Ee Mungu nguvu yetu Ilete baraka kwetu ... Kila siku tuwe na shukrani
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