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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 20, 2014 17:24:59 GMT 3
Milking Lupita Nyong’oBy Miguna MigunaMarch14, 2014 _______________________________________________________________________________________________________ ODM is in turmoil. PR deflections and cheap propaganda gimmicks can no longer conceal its terminal structural and genetical defects. The once promising political organisation isn’t able to organise internal party elections and nomination exercises.Persistent, whimsical and arbitrary imposition of deadwoods, cronies, relatives and lovers of the autocratic party leader has finally ground ODM to a complete halt. It’s reached a cul-de-sac. The euphoria that once propelled the old autocrat and his outfit to mythical adulation by millions of people has run its course. The goodwill of the glorious people of Kenya has been extinguished through betrayal, exploitation and a lackadaisical attitude. People are tired, sick and repulsed by un-ending string of games of musical chairs and propaganda. They want and expect, real, concrete results. They want and deserve deeds, not empty words.They are no longer interested in buffoonery, clownish prattle and kitendwili. The people want to see positive, progressive and concrete policy options. They want to see practical programs on unemployment, grand corruption and infrastructural decay. They are interested on practical plans on how we can harvest, store and use rain and underground water for irrigation, increased food production and food security. The people want affordable high quality health care and education; not empty rhetoric. The people want and expect to see a viable - and real - alternative government in waiting; not a disorganised, discordant and confused group of self-seekers. ODM has been unable and unwilling to fully discharge its onerous responsibilities as a viable opposition to the Jubilee coalition primarily because of its terminal illnesses such as lack of ideological clarity and focus; lethargic and deeply compromised leadership; and institutionalised culture of deception. The rot is deep and extensive; it cannot be camouflaged. But maybe ODM has been dead throughout; the occasional dazzle, magnified by media hoopla, notwithstanding.To begin with, since its founding in 2007, it has never held a free, fair and credible party election. The ODM constitution, too, has been a malleable, ever-changing amoeba. The number of ODM party organs has kept changing and shifting depending on the idiosyncratic needs and ravages of the autocratic Party Leader and the dictates of circumstances. Tired and punctured party officials like Henry Kosgey and Peter Anyang’ Nyog’o who resigned on February 28th had been hand-picked and imposed on those positions by the Party Leader not because they were the best and most dynamic for those positions (Kenyans know Henry Kosgey’s background), but merely on account of their proven malleability. Other previous party leaders like Musalia Mudavadi, William Ruto, Najib Balala and Charity Ngilu who had been incorporated into the ODM leadership hierarchy due to their perceived regional popularity – or for tactical reasons – soon found themselves unwanted and unappreciated. They were deemed disposable by the autocratic party leader. The autocrat considered himself indispensable,invincible and ‘a historical inevitability.’Many of his supporters have treated him as a myth, an enigma, and a legend all rolled up into one. He was supposed to be Kenya’s redeemer from all ills. Subsequently, the expendables soon voted with their feet. Thus ODM leadership has never been popularly ‘chosen’ by its members. They have consistently been selected through contrived or manipulated ‘elections.’The renewal, rejuvenation and rebirth inherent in fresh leaderships and that ought to organically emerge from transitional or succession elections haven’t been possible because free, fair and credible party elections have never been experienced in ODM. This is the indisputable truth: ODM has been practically dead since its founding. ODM, as it is presently constituted, is also legally dead. Firstly, it’s been rudderless and operating under the totalitarian party leader for eons in contravention of democratic governance principles that require periodic credible party elections. Although sporadic but fake party elections have been organised in different parts of Kenya, none has occurred in ODM’s perceived cradle of Luo Nyanza. Secondly, it’s also in violation of the ODM constitution, which doesn’t provide for the imposition of ‘interim ad-hoc leaders’ following deliberately botched up party elections.The induced abortion of ODM party elections of February 28, 2014, has left the party with no functioning offices and office-holders. The partisan party hoodlums now hypocritically and cynically referred to as ‘Men in Black’ disrupted the Kasarani meeting after the previously hand-picked party leaders – including the autocratic Party Leader, the chairman and secretary general - had resigned but before the process had concluded. That rendered ODM both legally and practically leaderless. The attack was staged when it became obvious that the self-styled ‘Team Fresh’ was on the verge of victory. And because ‘Team Fresh’ comprised the young and ambitious Mombasa Governor Ali Hassan Joho, Turkana Governor Joseph Nanok and Budalang’i MP Ababu Namwamba – and not the doting, conservative Agwambo faction ˗ most observers knew that Kasarani wouldn’t be allowed by the ‘ODM party owners’ to produce a legitimate slate of party leaders. Hankering on ‘Team Fresh’s’ side are a disparate group comprising distinct politicians and formations whose only reason for collaboration is their apparent ambitions to succeed Agwambo and his cronies. This group consist of Nairobi Governor Evans Kidero, Siaya Senator James Orengo, Rongo MP Dalmas Otieno, and Raila’s first cousin and Gem MP Jakoyo Midiwo. But my research also discloses that this team has been receiving ‘moral’ support from Ida Odinga. Apparently, Elizabeth Ongoro’s candidature was Ida’s project within ‘Team Fresh’ with the singular intention of ‘stopping Agnes Zani.’ Whether this theory is true or false is immaterial. What’s important and intriguing is that it is this group that is alleged by the ‘ODM owners’ to be comprised of ‘moles’ of the Jubilee leadership. Yet when the‘Men in Black’ hoodlums attacked on February 28th, it was clear that they were doing so at the behest of the Party Leader and his cronies like the Homa Bay Senator Otieno Kajwang’, nominated MP Oburu Oginga, Funyula MP Dr.Paul Otuoma, and ODM activist George Aladwa. This is the team embroidered by nominated senator Agnes Zani. Days before the Kasarani debacle, Aladwa, Otuoma, Oburu and Kajwang’ had loudly and repeatedly protested at the ‘attempt by Team Fresh to steal Raila’s party.’ “Let them know that we will not allow them to snatch the party from its owner, Raila Odinga. ODM is Raila Odinga, and Raila Odinga is ODM! They can leave with their secret ballot!” Aladwa thundered. When I sought comment from a friend and a fellow political strategist on the ODM imbroglio, his response was as cynical as it was apt: “Ja-Nyando,” he stated, “ when you find someone demolishing his house, you can either watch quietly as he does so; or you can help him complete the task.”Yet the very notion of comparing a political party like ODM with personal possession is largely responsible for the way Kenyans have neglected to take charge of their democratic process and permitted demagogues and self-seekers to occupy positions of power and leadership at our collective expense. Under the Political Parties Act, all parties are public entities. We fund their operations in the tune of billions of shillings annually, including the tens of millions of our hard-earned taxes that ODM wasted at their fake convention on February 28th. In exchange, we expect them to conduct all their operations transparently in strict adherence to the national Constitution, the applicable laws, the party constitution and in accordance with all democratic principles. But being an expert at political abracadabra, Mr. Odinga not only blamed the Jubilee government and all manner of ghosts and bogey men for the well-orchestrated fiasco; he immediately embarked on a remarkable ‘mediation effort’ between the two main factions within ODM and soon paraded a united, smiling and grinning‘winning team.’ Quickly thereafter, there were reports of ‘attempted break-ins at Orange House,’ just as there had been similar reports of attempted break-ins at the Orange House and Spectre International offices after the 2007 and 2013 general elections. Inevitably, these reports of break-ins always closely follow Odinga-orchestrated debacles. That’s why when I heard that the Oscar Committee in Los Angles had declared Lupita Nyong’o the best actress in a supporting role for her magnificent performance in 12 Years A Slave, I instinctively knew that the crafty Agwambo would soon retreat to his political laboratory and prepare a concoction that would milk the young woman’s success, the same way he tried to exploit Barack Obama’s ascendancy to the US presidency. As Kenyans genuinely celebrate Lupita’s unprecedented achievement and glory,the grand old master of political abracadabra has conveniently “appointed” her father as “ODM’s acting party leader” as he tours the US with “democratically elected former heads of states.” One thing is for certain: Lupita’s Rolodex is a cash cow for the mercurial leader as he prepares for the 2017 presidential run. Team Fresh, are you reading me? ________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Miguna Miguna is a lawyer and author of Peeling Back the Mask: A Quest for Justice in Kenya and Kidneys for the King: Deforming the Status Quo in Kenya.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 20, 2014 17:52:21 GMT 3
Spot-on as 'always' (at the risk of sounding like ndugu Phil and all the 'late' Jukwaists long since buried somewhere deep, during their good old days with comrade Miguna). The truth is, Kenyans are done with Raila Odinga, and by extension ODM (the botched elections were the last nail in the octogenarian's political coffin); it really does not matter whether it is team-fresh that eventually takes over the leadership of ODM or team Zani, as long as Odinga remains their candidate, they are going nowhere, Lupita or no Lupita.
~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~
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Post by bkichwa on Mar 20, 2014 19:15:05 GMT 3
It was easy to sense a demise of Raila's political career vis-a-vis his quest for the country's top leadership, once Uhuruto teamed up and formed the current government. What many never saw coming though, was the current free-fall and self-implosion that we have slowly and systematically witnessed regarding the man and on the same subject.
Even people (quite a number at that) I know with no certain strong political convictions vis-a-vis Kenyan politics, have been shaking their heads at Raila lately...the kind of head-shake that expresses some form of disgust and pretty much communicates the words "kaput", "done", and even other words that I don't wish to print here.
It's all actually a bit of a shocker to watch.
Love him or hate him, and whether a bitter Raila ex-comrade or not, Miguna's narration above is actually apt.
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Post by omundu on Mar 20, 2014 22:32:00 GMT 3
It was easy to sense a demise of Raila's political career vis-a-vis his quest for the country's top leadership, once Uhuruto teamed up and formed the current government. What many never saw coming though, was the current free-fall and self-implosion that we have slowly and systematically witnessed regarding the man and on the same subject. Even people (quite a number at that) I know with no certain strong political convictions vis-a-vis Kenyan politics, have been shaking their heads at Raila lately...the kind of head-shake that expresses some form of disgust and pretty much communicates the words "kaput", "done", and even other words that I don't wish to print here. It's all actually a bit of a shocker to watch. Love him or hate him, and whether a bitter Raila ex-comrade or not, Miguna's narration above is actually apt. Bkichwa. I am scratching my head trying to figure out what your name means. But anyways, politics is fluid and that's why I try, hard as it may be, to abort a dispensation from personality. Jesus died more that 2000 years ago but christianity survives. I hope you get my drift. If you don't, then let me break it down for you. I will only believe the nonsense the likes of Miguna, Mwalimu and you spew when you actually move on and stop talking about Raila and let him rest in peace considering that he is "kaput" politically. Why flog a dead horse ? Let it stay dead. You may not realize it but it is the likes of you's that keep him relevant. You do his work for him. It is actually quite hilarious reading some of the comments. Lol
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Post by bkichwa on Mar 20, 2014 23:26:54 GMT 3
It was easy to sense a demise of Raila's political career vis-a-vis his quest for the country's top leadership, once Uhuruto teamed up and formed the current government. What many never saw coming though, was the current free-fall and self-implosion that we have slowly and systematically witnessed regarding the man and on the same subject. Even people (quite a number at that) I know with no certain strong political convictions vis-a-vis Kenyan politics, have been shaking their heads at Raila lately...the kind of head-shake that expresses some form of disgust and pretty much communicates the words "kaput", "done", and even other words that I don't wish to print here. It's all actually a bit of a shocker to watch. Love him or hate him, and whether a bitter Raila ex-comrade or not, Miguna's narration above is actually apt. Bkichwa. I am scratching my head trying to figure out what your name means. But anyways, politics is fluid and that's why I try, hard as it may be, to abort a dispensation from personality. Jesus died more that 2000 years ago but christianity survives. I hope you get my drift. If you don't, then let me break it down for you. I will only believe the nonsense the likes of Miguna, Mwalimu and you spew when you actually move on and stop talking about Raila and let him rest in peace considering that he is "kaput" politically. Why flog a dead horse ? Let it stay dead. You may not realize it but it is the likes of you's that keep him relevant. You do his work for him. It is actually quite hilarious reading some of the comments. Lol It's understandable that you probably really wish it that your guy's continuous monumental f*ck ups quickly and quietly go away, never to be discussed in public fora or perhaps anywhere else on this world for that matter. I get that. Suggestion perhaps that you then find a way to migrate to Wonderland in order to live out that dream. Or perhaps just continue scratching your head, maybe that might somehow equally provide you a similar desired result.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 21, 2014 15:07:38 GMT 3
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Post by patriotism101 on Mar 22, 2014 7:40:08 GMT 3
OO, I hope you have been keeping well -my apologies for missing in action for the past 8 weeks mainly due to a big bout of disillusionment with many things Kenyan. This topic struck a code - after an exchange at my local. I may or may not understand MM's vitriol against RAO and his choir i.e. Nyong'o and the rest. But does this justify his attack on Lupita just because he has beef with her Dad? MM is a well educated person and a writer and so for him to "cleverly" try to make fun of Lupita's endowment or lack of size D assets is deplorable. MM has said in the past that because RAO sacked him and therefore exposed his children and family to suffering, then RAO's children and family are game for him - and by extension all the ODMers children. Well, you will say MM's did not say anything about Lupita's chest - we'll, MM is a luo and by and large he is writing to that audience- ask any luo to translate for you the topic of that letter- hopefully Jakaswanga will be in the mood to do a verbatim translation This is typical luo jealousy- if you ask me - stupidity- of not liking, appreciating other peoples achievements. MM should suck it up, leave lupita out of his troubles with her Dad and groom his kids for better things than the Oscars- instead of being childish and about her boobs-literary. Senti 5
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Post by mank on Mar 22, 2014 8:18:41 GMT 3
OO, I hope you have been keeping well -my apologies for missing in action for the past 8 weeks mainly due to a big bout of disillusionment with many things Kenyan. This topic struck a code - after an exchange at my local. I may or may not understand MM's vitriol against RAO and his choir i.e. Nyong'o and the rest. But does this justify his attack on Lupita ... Are you sure there was an attack on Lupita?
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 22, 2014 11:02:27 GMT 3
Patriotism 101:
Greetings.
I am mystified by your comment.
Do you care to elaborate about the alleged coded and ethnic-laced attack unleashed on Lupita by Miguna?
I am Luo too, but I guess there is something missing in translation.
Onyango Oloo
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 22, 2014 15:59:27 GMT 3
OO, I hope you have been keeping well -my apologies for missing in action for the past 8 weeks mainly due to a big bout of disillusionment with many things Kenyan. This topic struck a code - after an exchange at my local.I may or may not understand MM's vitriol against RAO and his choir i.e. Nyong'o and the rest. But does this justify his attack on Lupita just because he has beef with her Dad? MM is a well educated person and a writer and so for him to "cleverly" try to make fun of Lupita's endowment or lack of size D assets is deplorable. MM has said in the past that because RAO sacked him and therefore exposed his children and family to suffering, then RAO's children and family are game for him - and by extension all the ODMers children. Well, you will say MM's did not say anything about Lupita's chest - we'll, MM is a luo and by and large he is writing to that audience- ask any luo to translate for you the topic of that letter- hopefully Jakaswanga will be in the mood to do a verbatim translation This is typical luo jealousy- if you ask me - stupidity- of not liking, appreciating other peoples achievements. MM should suck it up, leave lupita out of his troubles with her Dad and groom his kids for better things than the Oscars- instead of being childish and about her boobs-literary. Senti 5 This one ambushes me on the wrong foot, so I will only do an aside, in passing. An aside, since I was busy addressing Tawfiq Ababu Namwamba; nevertheless I find myself a bit of compelled to sneak in here and make some noise, putting forward an additional footnote to Aabu's ongoing tribulations in his showdown with the owners of the ODM who hail from Miguna’s home turf. So … Ababu … While I said the ODM supremo is nursing a nervous breakdown in far resorts, suffering withdrawal symptoms of course, here is the man with the same name twice (as Jeff Koinange so lasciviously used to put it as he milked the occasion), having an alternative if even a more outrageous explanation to the circumstances (informing Raila’s latest disappearance to the USA). --- Yawa Patriotism Yo, I have not googled Lupita’s cup purse ranges to have an idea of how much milk she packs, but reading Miguna carefully, the tenure of his emotional flow contains no erotical undertone to the word Milking. ‘Nyiedho Lupita’ even in dholuo, just has the straightforward import of ‘’economic exploitation’’. Other theses welcome though. But these two Wajaluos have a past you know. A recent past as you noted. Apparently still fresh. I thought we were done about this feud for real, but after Miguna’s latest evil salvo from the barrel of a pen, proclaiming Raila is out to milk Lupita Nyong’o’s Oscar –- Oscar not her mammary’s yawa Patriot! I changed my mind now. This MM-RAO fall-out will be an epic -Luo- soap of gut wrenching sequels. MM will not rest until Kingdom come. If Raila goes first, that will be MM dancing on his grave. If MM dies first, that will be his ghost return to deny Agwambo sleep. This evolves into a classical Luo feud in the best of our traditions and, given the right pinch of salt here and the correct dust of pepper there, it will fit mythical narratives in our folklore to the dot. –I am thinking of milking it dry for my own evil purposes! For those unaware of some of the mythic narratives I am winking at, they go with names like the Gillo Nyikango fall out [Mid Sudan]; Labongo vs Gipir [Pakwach, Uganda]; Gau vs Dimo [Nile Banks Sudan]; Okiri vs Omia [Kavirondo Kenya]; or Opir vs Dipir [Uganda]; There is a famous one involving the intriguing death-machine Ochieng’ Waljak who established the Ugenya Kager clan. The original meaning of the word ‘ger’ here, was despotic, or despotism. Conveniently I have forgotten the defining feud in General Waljak’s violent life which underlies the combination Umira-Kager. (NB: Waljak’s grandson Othieno the Rogue is famous around river Nzoia for having kept off slave raiders at bay by concerted guerrilla tactics, until he was betrayed by a man whose beautiful wife and daughter he had simultaneously ‘concubinated’, and boasted about it as a unique exploit! –terrible feud!] So do the conceited mighty fall, and not only Amos Kimunya, former field marshal of petty graft at the ministry of Finance. Anyway, I think Raila harbours genuine contempt for Miguna. And Miguna’s pride and ego too, are themselves genuinely injured in return. Utter Contempt then squares off against True Pride in a no quarter given duel at the top end of a [crisis] n ationalism in transition. With a bit of poetic licence, the stage is set for a tragi-comedy. In classical ages it would be the stuff of pure tragedy. A poet’s goldmine to be milked forever. –I am thinking of milking it dry! For Jukwaa my own devious purposes! For instance, the story goes of the fury that possessed the heart of Achilleus the son of Peleus at Troy, when Agamemnon the King of Men confiscated his favourite booty-shaker Bree. Achilleus was the greatest killing-machine the archipels of Hellas ever produced, the star warrior described by various Roman Poets as flying death ---a medieval drone ; and feeling dishonoured, disrespected, humiliated, the towery son of Peleus went on a work stoppage to sabotage the great campaign of winning back whatever it was the Greek Herd had come for in Troy! (Talk of tabloid tales!) It was wrath like only the heavens could invoke, It was fury of a passion only the gods could stay.(And thou Patriotism101, the following Roman Poets will give you even more beautiful lines if you find a good translator, Vergilius, Horatius, Propertius, Tibullus, and Publius Ovidius. And I suggest you find better Dholuo literati at your local , folks who do not hear the word ‘’nyiedho’’ and and rush single track to breast level, sizing stuff!) We could stretch the parallel a bit, and proclaim Miguna of Nyando, once Raila’s staunchest defender and able lieutenant, aka The Big Mig, has now gone rogue and is doing his all to make sure the fishy King of the Fishmongers never conquers his Troy, aka State House. Kids, allies and their kids are all fair game. This aint one of your pantomime skirmishes with quaint protocols in the animal Kingdom as males square off horns competing for pu-ssy. This is pure passion. The fluency with which Big Mig writes on Raila outstrips his performances on other topics. Speaking from an academic position of pure linguistic interest, he should MILK IT AD INFINITUM, coz that is where his writing talent show cases itself best! If only he could keep taking that to the bank! Raila disembowelled Miguna’s pride. Removed the bead of his heart beat. Miguna shall now make sure, in inspired vengeance, Raila wields not the spear of the anointed one. That, is the purest of Luo feuds: mirimb hono orakore kod achaye mar jwok. Akuni to in bende ikuna, koro wakunore. En sigana migano nyaka chil, mirimb LWo.This demonic Luo rejectionism, this pathological grit of stubbornness beyond reconciliation and forgiveness, this defining narrative of our psychological make-up, will be the same trait being exhibited by the minority club out to destroy the ODM if Raila’s cronies are pelted out. The Samson option guys. ---This is the warning to Ababu and why this piece was written for the OPEN WARNING THREAD. In addition to calling on Otieno Dalmas to work his Nestor magic! I forget my classics, but it must have been Old Nestor who, with honeyed tongue and words surer than darts from the blessed bow of Herakles, burst upon brooding Achilles in his tent and told him to get over his pride, collect his arms and get his killing act on the road! 'Oily P-ussy and snaky butt shakers come a dozen a raid to a bed like yours, Son of Peleus. You can not condemn the whole Greek Host to death defeat because Agamemnon stole your juicy cu-nt Bree!'Achilles wrath held. 'And what have the long-haired maidens of death from Hellas sailed all this way for? Is it not to die stupidly in war, trying to reclaim the hot wh-ore of an Atreus wife, Hellen back to Argos!?' -- -'Then to our fate, Achilles, to our fate! Join the Greek host in victorious death, reclaiming all the world's steamiest Ho for their King!' said Nestor and so it came to pass! Achilles wrath cracked, just enough to let in Patroklos, the trap the gods had prepared to hook him. Thunderbolt Zeus had ordained it so! ---- NB: I am not sure you are still with the lesson Ababu. You see a section of the Luos have this superstition, that the ODM belongs to them and their King. Your Team Fresh was of course going to put paid to such childish notions, thrashing their hot-pie Agnes Zani to frigidity. Think of the fury of these Luos. Think of their loss of face, and the ‘rage to keep up appearances’. ---So am gonna give you a bit of Luo folklore to help you understand the destructive emotive forces you precipitated at Kasarani. Ka idwong’o ng’owo ma kore en kombe ndemu, nyaka ibed moting’o dakuon mar nyuka maliet e wiyi.I think I made the point now Ababu. To the second point now.
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Post by moja on Mar 22, 2014 16:45:09 GMT 3
Does English language allow for such expressions as IDIOTIC BUFFOONERY? MM should attempt self description. He might just provide the answer to my question.
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Post by patriotism101 on Mar 23, 2014 7:27:24 GMT 3
OO,
Put your friends article in the context of the Kenyan luo sexist chauvinistic male and you may probably see MM's despicable low blow on Lupita. There are many words he could have used to describe RAO's taking economic and political advantage of L's Oscar glory. Instead he uses this mammary imagery - for what if I may ask?
OO - if L was your daughter, sister or wife - you probably would not be so lost in translation.
Mank - An attack? What does being milked mean to you? Even if we take the political and economic context which Jakaswanga and OO are trying to sell- this article even though aimed at RAO, was meant as a swipe at Lupita's mammary. The choice of topic was poor taste in sarcasm, and MM should apologize to Lupita.
Senti 5
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Mar 23, 2014 14:02:23 GMT 3
Patriotism 101:
Here is Miguna's comment on your comment:
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Post by einstein on Mar 23, 2014 20:59:19 GMT 3
Patriotism 101: Here is Miguna's comment on your comment: So, is Lupita Nyong’o a milk cow, cash cow or both? Which is which? There is no clarity on phraseology here and that lack of clarity cannot be truly hilarious! It is this ambiguity that is irritating Patriotism 101! Heheheee!! Can MM please clarify!? Milking Lupita Nyong’o under microscope:Note: One can ONLY milk somebody/something of something or alternatively one can milk something out of/from somebody/something = to extract money, information, etc dishonestly from a person or an institution or to obtain as much benefit or profit as possible from a situation [see Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary]. Thus in English language, the phrase 'milking Lupita Nyong’o' if left unqualified like here = squeezing the white liquid (milk) out of Lupita Nyong’o's mammary glands. On the other hand,had MM qualified the phrase to read 'milking political capital out of Lupita Nyong’o's ......', then Patriotism 101 would still be enjoying his sabbatical leave from Jukwaa, au vipi? Heheheee!!!
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Post by omundu on Mar 23, 2014 21:30:04 GMT 3
Bwana Kichwa.
I am not one to stoop to childish your man vs my man games akin to the primary school "my dad is stronger than your dad" arguments to assuage juvenile egos. It is beneath me. I leave such games to the likes of Miguna and you.
I was merely stating a fact that just the mere fact of the existence of Migunas continued public display of fury like a woman scorned and the existence of this thread proves that you are actually wrong in your analogy that one Raila is finished.
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Post by bkichwa on Mar 23, 2014 21:49:45 GMT 3
Bwana Kichwa. I am not one to stoop to childish your man vs my man games akin to the primary school "my dad is stronger than your dad" arguments to assuage juvenile egos. It is beneath me. I leave such games to the likes of Miguna and you. I was merely stating a fact that justify the mere fact of the existence of Migunas continued public display of fury like a woman scorned and the existence of this thread proves that you are actually wrong in your analogy that one Raila is finished. If that's your intention, then perhaps state your opinions without being condescendingly personal to others who are also on this forum trying to put opinions and points across, and which they equally, as you do, feel convicted about. Or otherwise said, don't start no sh*t and there will be none. Say your piece and allow others to do the same without attacking them. It's a free forum last time I checked. But if you choose to go the attack route, then don't come back wailing about stooping to whatever levels, childishness or whatever. Be ready to receive what you are also dishing out. 2-way street.
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Post by omundu on Mar 24, 2014 0:27:16 GMT 3
Bwana Kichwa. I am not one to stoop to childish your man vs my man games akin to the primary school "my dad is stronger than your dad" arguments to assuage juvenile egos. It is beneath me. I leave such games to the likes of Miguna and you. I was merely stating a fact that justify the mere fact of the existence of Migunas continued public display of fury like a woman scorned and the existence of this thread proves that you are actually wrong in your analogy that one Raila is finished. If that's your intention, then perhaps state your opinions without being condescendingly personal to others who are also on this forum trying to put opinions and points across, and which they equally, as you do, feel convicted about. Or otherwise said, don't start no sh*t and there will be none. Say your piece and allow others to do the same without attacking them. It's a free forum last time I checked. But if you choose to go the attack route, then don't come back wailing about stooping to whatever levels, childishness or whatever. Be ready to receive what you are also dishing out. 2-way street. That comment of yours comes across as something that should be directed at Migunas constant attack of a character evidenced by his articles. I am glad you get my point now. Anyways, opinion, you say. This is my factual opinion on Migunas article and your statement that Raila is Kaput politically. It is a wrong opinion not based on fact. There exists no factual basis for yours and mugunas statement. Not even an opinion poll to justify you chaps. Raila has his failings. He is trapped in some Moi era antics that I have called him out on. But Kaput ? Very laughable. So I suggest you guys relax enzymes, or the soul. Life is too short and you don't want to waste your energy with too much "scorned" bile focussed on one person. Its funny how people support and applaud an attack on an individuals character yet can't handle an attack on their own flaws invoking the name of Jukwaa as a site that is above that. I repeat. Very amusing.
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Post by patriotism101 on Mar 24, 2014 5:26:47 GMT 3
Patriotism 101: Here is Miguna's comment on your comment: OO, There is nothing hilarious in this article- and no one is twisting anything. MM knows what he meant. I know what it means to milk -I will save all the gory details of the exercise- usually no consent is involved- instead force is used-the limbs nearest the mammary are bound. My point is and was - there are some lines you don't cross. Senti 5
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Post by mank on Mar 24, 2014 8:23:46 GMT 3
Patriotism 101: Here is Miguna's comment on your comment: OO, ... usually no consent is involved- instead force is used-the limbs nearest the mammary are bound. My point is and was - there are some lines you don't cross. Senti 5 Patriotism, you are wrong even with respect to the literal application of the term. Dairy animals give the most milk when they are soothed into consent. You can get a drip and some more by force but the generous flow occurs when the animal is willing. In the current context "milk" means "exploit". There really aren't any lines here ... except the onese you are making up. You repeatedly claim that this has anything to do with Lupita's mammary (glands) but if you insist on your interpretation of the term "milking" then you should be thinking of the mammary glands of Lupita's success. I read Miguna's statement to say that it was the woman's success being milked ... not herself.
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Post by bkichwa on Mar 24, 2014 12:06:03 GMT 3
If that's your intention, then perhaps state your opinions without being condescendingly personal to others who are also on this forum trying to put opinions and points across, and which they equally, as you do, feel convicted about. Or otherwise said, don't start no sh*t and there will be none. Say your piece and allow others to do the same without attacking them. It's a free forum last time I checked. But if you choose to go the attack route, then don't come back wailing about stooping to whatever levels, childishness or whatever. Be ready to receive what you are also dishing out. 2-way street. That comment of yours comes across as something that should be directed at Migunas constant attack of a character evidenced by his articles. I am glad you get my point now. Anyways, opinion, you say. This is my factual opinion on Migunas article and your statement that Raila is Kaput politically. It is a wrong opinion not based on fact. There exists no factual basis for yours and mugunas statement. Not even an opinion poll to justify you chaps. Raila has his failings. He is trapped in some Moi era antics that I have called him out on. But Kaput ? Very laughable. So I suggest you guys relax enzymes, or the soul. Life is too short and you don't want to waste your energy with too much "scorned" bile focussed on one person. Its funny how people support and applaud an attack on an individuals character yet can't handle an attack on their own flaws invoking the name of Jukwaa as a site that is above that. I repeat. Very amusing. What you mention as "my statement that Raila is kaput politically" is what I previously explained as the sentiments communicated across by individuals I know who are quite politically neutral with regard to Kenya's politics, and who have always given Raila a pass and a chance with their vote. Last I checked, people are entitled to their opinions. Whether these opinions are fact or not is another issue, which was never within the purview of the commentary I initially made on this thread. Mine was to highlight that Raila's shenanigans have gotten to a level where even some in the swing vote category who have previously been with him have decided to write him off. And in doing so illustrate just how injurious to his political persona his string of antics since March last year have been...and what this in turn portends for his political future. Whether the latter is fact or not is therefore neither here or there. When you therefore opine on the above statement as being "wrong" not based on "fact", the response to you then would be that no one asserted that it was ever fact. This was never the issue. But what it is, is what some people on the ground are saying based on their newly established convictions on the subject. Vote carrying people at that. If you find these opinions "wrong", then that too is merely your opinion, as are the others. And when further you allude to your contrary opinion to the statement as the one that is "factual", then you are staking claim as being the party having or holding the only truth on this matter; this notwithstanding the reality that this is a matter that can only be determined by how the future with regard to this issue plays out. What makes you believe that you know that Raila is not kaput to the point that you assert it as a fact? What if Raila in 2016 says he has retired from elective politics? Or what if ODM irrevocably splits leaving Raila holding onto a very relatively small national constituency to call his core block going into the 2017 election, thereby rendering his chances of being the next president of Kenya in 2017 at best dim? Then where does that leave your "factual opinion" as above? On what amuses you, remember that it is you who "got your knickers into a twist" (to borrow from Kamale) when your condescending and attacking (personal) rebuttal to previous posts was in turn responded to in kind. So perhaps heed your own latter advice - be prepared to handle what you dish out to others. Dishing out crap, though not desirable, isn't difficult nor is it the forte of only some. You get what you give out. Lost in all of this back and forth between us is an article that someone has written, in which he has made certain assertions on a public political figure. Rather than rebut the content of these assertions, salvos have instead been fired at the writer. Therein lies the problem with how we tend to communicate with regard to such matters. Why not intelligently and perhaps "factually" debunk the things Miguna says about Raila if indeed they are nonsense? Prove him otherwise and in so doing convince the rest of us who tend to agree with some things he says in his writings. It shouldn't be that difficult to debunk nonsense now, should it?
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Post by mzee on Mar 24, 2014 13:18:20 GMT 3
This constant exhibition of mental and emotional fits by Miguna on basis of pure jealousy in shameful to say the least.
Miguna has to have some amount of decency and stop attacking other people’s children. Prof. Nyongo can do whatever he wants with Lupita, for she is his daughter. If he wants to use her as a poster girl for ODM so be it as long as Lupita is ok with it (even though there in nothing of the sort going on). That’s between Lupiter and Peter her father. It does not impact on Miguna in anyway whatsoever. That’s why he must leave Lupita out of his unnecessary and childish jealousy. Why hit her “above the waist” with that title? Miguna must start making some positive contributions to Kenya or even Nyando for that matter instead of languishing in Toronto. Kamale warned us almost a decade ago that Miguna Miguna was a loose canon who should be avoided at all cost we did not listen. I have come to the conclusion that he was spot on.
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Post by einstein on Mar 24, 2014 20:10:43 GMT 3
Almost the whole of this article is NOT even about Lupita Nyong’o. It is therefore very curious that the title to the article is not only dedicated to Lupita Nyong’o, but also goes a step further and claim the article is about 'Milking Lupita Nyong’o'. MM, you have definitely lost a hold of your thinking faculty!! Jeeeezzz!
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 24, 2014 23:52:57 GMT 3
Mank, you look to be a guy with the patience to explain some of these things to all manner of miscreants. Now, after a long time writing without mentioning Lupita, Miguna Miguna can be caught saying the following: He praises Lupita for a MAGNIFICENT performance in the relevant film. –-Read me that as an INSULT I beg, Mank. MILK THE YOUNG WOMAN’S SUCCESS. That qualification does not leave much room for titty cups, does it? Then proceeds Miguna: milk in the same way he tried to EXPLOIT Obama’s ascendancy to …. That seals the import of the ‘milk’ imagery here, as used by this most notorious of Raila criticasters!.
Then, to crown it off: …ROLODEX is a CASH COW! ---Any more ambiguities?
Amigo, if you do not show me the insult Big Mig has hurled at Nyong’o’s daughter, I am afraid I am going to descend on the heads of some these pestilential ghosts with with a terrible drumming beat!
Jesus Christ Onyango Oloo! how are we to avoid contempt for some of these omena people of yours? where is Miguna's insult at Lupita?
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Post by mank on Mar 25, 2014 3:58:54 GMT 3
Mank, you look to be a guy with the patience to explain some of these things to all manner of miscreants. Ha ha ha amigo! I decided I could afford a moment of charity on that one. Now, after a long time writing without mentioning Lupita, Miguna Miguna can be caught saying the following: He praises Lupita for a MAGNIFICENT performance in the relevant film. –-Read me that as an INSULT I beg, Mank. MILK THE YOUNG WOMAN’S SUCCESS. That qualification does not leave much room for titty cups, does it? Now your turn to give Patriotism101 a dose of charity. Hopefully he's still around, even though its gotten a little hot here. Then proceeds Miguna: milk in the same way he tried to EXPLOIT Obama’s ascendancy to …. That seals the import of the ‘milk’ imagery here, as used by this most notorious of Raila criticasters!. Then, to crown it off: …ROLODEX is a CASH COW! ---Any more ambiguities? Amigo, if you do not show me the insult Big Mig has hurled at Nyong’o’s daughter, I am afraid I am going to descend on the heads of some these pestilential ghosts with with a terrible drumming beat! Jesus Christ Onyango Oloo! how are we to avoid contempt for some of these omena people of yours? where is Miguna's insult at Lupita? Prepare to deliver that threat amigo. OO has nothing to dissuade you with. Chase them to their sanctuary.
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Post by einstein on Mar 26, 2014 5:42:54 GMT 3
Yeah! Some people are riled up yet again because I posted!
The usual characters will always remain the same!
Reading my posts and understanding them is simply no rocket science! Of course, the Big Mig will always 'remain the main man' in the house!! The reverse is inconceivable by some people, who just even a while back resented him (Big Mig) to the hilt, even to the point of trying to bring Jukwaa down by misquoting Jukwaa in other media!
Some of us are here to stay for those who care to listen!!
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