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Post by podp on Apr 12, 2014 21:49:37 GMT 3
Jakaswanga: I rather think we are victims of a specific kind of terrorism because our army is in another man's land, fighting a proxy war under a false pretext. We have antagonised certain sectors of Somali nationalism. Action, and reaction. No matter how noble the intentions of the regime, the net effect of rounding up people simply for how they look, dress and speak, is to create fear and despondency among whole communities. It is akin to saying that if someone speaks Somali, looks Somali, and is dressed like a Somali then he is a terrorist, or at least a potential terrorist. And it is a smokescreen for an ineffective, corrupt and outdated police force, trying to turn the focus upside down. Make no mistake: This approach of assassinations and mass round-ups is counter-productive. Mass punishment outside the law has always boomeranged, as the Americans can attest. www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Mass-arrests-and-assassinations/-/440808/2276020/-/10d7yg2/-/index.htmlWe can rag on Duale for many things but on mass and indiscriminate punishment, he is right. For this assumes that the Somali and Muslims are guilty until proven innocent. Or, at least, until they can bribe their way out of the police dragnets for few things are as lucrative to corrupt police as these sweeps and round-ups. And isn’t it ironic that the very people who have screamed themselves hoarse about being innocent until proven guilty for crimes against humanity, including mass killings, forced displacement and rape, can treat communities as guilty until proven innocent?
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Post by abdulmote on Apr 12, 2014 22:12:17 GMT 3
This is really a sad affair and tragic at that. Kenya was and is hardly prepared for such an invasion and war with a people like the somalia's al shabbab. It would be almost impossible to be prepared any way. Oloo was right then and is still right now.
Think about it: the Russians bombed Afghanis for more than a decade. In the end they left to go home battered and bruised. Lessons well learnt and the poppy farmers remained as they were.
Then the Americans went in. "Shock and awe" and all bombs at their disposal. They went in capable and ready to carpet bomb all the tora bora mountains to smithereens. They were going to smoke them out, so they boasted. But bin laden and his alqaeeda walked out in one piece and survived for many years after. The brits are currently in the procces of vacating those lands and so will the americans not long after. The talibans are still in their dusty villages, going on about their daily lives as they know best. Pakistan is still the same. Those nations hardly 'westernised' and the threat existing before the famous invasion hardly scratched at the surface, with so many lives now already lost.
But Kenya is even in a worst situation. Somalia is almost part of kenya. Intertwined in land and even more in its people. There is no escapping that attachment and reality. The only thing seperating us is the none existent or extremely porous boarder. There is nothing to stop our 'enemies' coming through, whilst we have plenty already within. Then we have the camps and established sectors populated by the same. People who have money and resources when needed for whatever the course. Fact is Somalis have been extremely distructive people to their own nation. Their culture of self destruct is well established. But I am aware that mine is a prejudiced generalisation. Hardly a tool of fair analyis upon any subject. I should know better. But I offer no apology here.
The other question that cannot be answered is our country's objective in invading somalia. What was the government trying to achieve and how? If the americans left that country with their heads down with all the resources it has in its possession, who are we to be able to do better? We are a nation of very corrupt people and significantly under developed systems. Our culture as a nation is pathetic in places and very scary in others. We are and can be extreemely unpatriotic, selfish and self destructive. Our public servants and politicians are selling our country for pittance, if only for their own selfish fat bellies.
And now its about to get worse. A people destroyed can never be destroyed any further. It is a concept sometimes difficult to be understood, especially by the wealthy and amongst the materially bestowed. A starving man can never have hunger used as a threatening weapon of inflicting pain upon his already suffering soul. They are already hardened. Trampled upon, burried. A grave can never be a threat. Not to such.
And here we are. Still dreaming that we shall soon wake up to find everything and everyone as good and as happy as we had always been before.
Let us keep dreaming.
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Post by podp on Apr 12, 2014 22:59:47 GMT 3
The other question that cannot be answered is our country's objective in invading somalia. What was the government trying to achieve and how? If the americans left that country with their heads down with all the resources it has in its possession, who are we to be able to do better? We are a nation of very corrupt people and significantly under developed systems. Our culture as a nation is pathetic in places and very scary in others. We are and can be extreemely unpatriotic, selfish and self destructive. Our public servants and politicians are selling our country for pittance, if only for their own selfish fat bellies. Siad Barre the last PORS when he fled first to Kenya and later to Nigeria has ensured seeds of discord planted would never allow the Somali people to yearn for a single country ever again. He played northerners to the southerners. In Mogadishu he had one clan against the next one. For those Somalis in Ethiopia and Kenya he sang of greater Somali sowing the seeds of the Diaspora Somalis never to relate well with the governments of the hosting nation. in Kenya the scorch earth policy played by old Jomo and continues by grand father of Nyayo did not help matters either. only in later 1990 would the second hand citizens tag be removed from the Somalis but other forces were plotting how to turn Somali into a cash cow for conduit illegal and later launder money in Kenya. so while the narration that after 2007 when the Kenyan ethnic bloodletting after the election that brought in nusu mkate dinosaur pair more intrigues added to the mix. the incursion to Somali allows big business not taxed to be carried out by both Kenyans in the security sector and top individuals in both Kenya and the transition one (read selected war lords) in Somali. the lower ranking security personnel engage in the bribery of looking the other way when non Kenyan Somali people transact business. www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000109277&story_title=is-operation-usalama-watch-a-somali-gulagTo most Somalis, the police action in Eastleigh aims to disenfranchise the community economically by disabling its main business hub. At the height of the 1960s Shifta war under (Jomo) Kenyatta’s regime, the government targeted the Somali economy too by decimating its livestock. A 1971 UNDP/FAO report reveals that in Garissa and Isiolo alone, camel population reduced from 200,000 to 6,000, and sheep and goats reduced from 500,000 to 38,000 at the height of the conflict.
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Post by abdulmote on Apr 13, 2014 1:03:52 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Apr 13, 2014 8:57:36 GMT 3
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Post by podp on Apr 13, 2014 19:18:33 GMT 3
During the investigation, The Standard on Sunday created a fictitious character ”Charles Njehia Kinuthia” whose photo was lifted from the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) website of inmate Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, serving a life sentence for his role in the 1998 twin United States Embassy bombings in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam. And in ten days he had five crucial identification documents. He had a birth certificate, certificate of good conduct, ID card, driving license and school-leaving certificate. www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000109285&story_title=how-intricate-graft-networks-leave-kenyans-exposed-to-terrorjust as Jicho Pevu showed IG and his Mboys are always looking the wrong way, intentionally, when the evidence of who backs the terrorists are obvious
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Post by jakaswanga on May 23, 2016 19:51:10 GMT 3
THE WEST PAYS NOT, KDF STOPS LINDA NCHI!That is where we are now! A long long time ago, Digital Oloo penned a digital. This quixotic invasion of Somalia will devastate us, the red-penned provocateur imparted. We debated our hearts out, but a lot of jingoistic bravado clouded our heads too. Anyway the thread is locked after OtishOtish misbehaved I think, who else!?. how be it a look-back was resurrected on this one: Who remembers Oloo's warning?Well, time has rammed that warning up the commander in chief's rear tube, and its a live bee in there. Here! I read that statement and laughed outright in sarcastic self embarassment. Very dim of the son of Jomo. But before I comment further, a quick rehash of of a very powerful first-hour sceptics This is really a sad affair and tragic at that. Kenya was and is hardly prepared for such an invasion and war with a people like the somalia's al shabbab. It would be almost impossible to be prepared any way. Oloo was right then and is still right now. -------- But Kenya is even in a worst situation. Somalia is almost part of kenya. Intertwined in land and even more in its people. There is no escaping that attachment and reality. The only thing separating us is the none existent or extremely porous boarder. There is nothing to stop our 'enemies' coming through, whilst we have plenty already within. Then we have the camps and established sectors populated by the same. People who have money and resources when needed for whatever the course. Fact is Somalis have been extremely destructive people to their own nation. Their culture of self destruct is well established. But I am aware that mine is a prejudiced generalisation. Hardly a tool of fair analysis upon any subject. I should know better. But I offer no apology here. ------- The other question that cannot be answered is our country's objective in invading Somalia. What was the government trying to achieve and how?
If the Americans left that country with their heads down with all the resources it has in its possession, who are we to be able to do better? We are a nation of very corrupt people and significantly under developed systems. Our culture as a nation is pathetic in places and very scary in others. We are and can be extremely unpatriotic, selfish and self destructive. Our public servants and politicians are selling our country for pittance, if only for their own selfish fat bellies. Proxy wars under false pretexts, with top politicians and top bureaucrats in their selfishness and greed, having identified an opportunity to get rich quick by selling their country for a pittance, or, in specific words, renting out for cheap, the hot blood of gullible youth in the military. Cheap cannon fodder from Burundi, Uganda and Kenya. The blood-soaked racket sold as patriotic duty, continental AU duty, and for Kenya, the high sounding LINDA NCHI! (and let that be the primary task of the Army, the defence force!) That narrative for Kenya (of keeping terrorists at bay, destroying their nests and smoking them out into hellfire) is now shattered on the rock of reality! If Europe does not pay, we wont do LINDA NCHI!Yap! ( it is your burden, Whiteman! Mzungu saidia! We are your burden! Priiz Priiz Musungu Baba, Musungu Mama! Ukikataa basi Jeshi letu ni Surrenda!) You can not make that up yawa! The president is so desperate, so out of his wits, he can not permit himself not even a tattered piece of self-respect! (Kara maberberie ema igoyoe propaganda!)
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Post by jakaswanga on May 23, 2016 20:44:40 GMT 3
THE BLACKMAIL TEMPLATE (THE END OF KAKUMA, DAABAB AND LINDA NCHI!) William Ruto is in Turkey. He will of course attend lessons on the sidelines. Turkey, under her mercurial president --or Sultan Tayyip they say these days after his historic power grab which has seen him marginalise the last of the independents in the senior ranks of the ruling AK party, former premier Davotogolu,---- recently pulled a major one on Europe. A profitable blackmail I mean. It is called the refugee bomb. White Europe is scared sh!tless of a refugee invasion from the Muslim middle east. (This month, 16th May 2016 to be precise, is the centenary of the Picot-Sykes of course, talking about blowbacks.) Due to the upheaval in the Levanth, Turkey is home to refugee camps, mostly of Syrians, upwards of 3M people. These want to go North, cost what it cost. -' I will let them go any which way they can afford if you do not pay me this much, and more!', Erdogan put the knife to Angela Merkel's throat. ' Honestly I would rather have your you know there, Tayyip!' the cornered German responded, 'but you know Great Whites do not do you smelly Muslims. I will pay ransom!' # 3 billion Euros. To start. And the deal is holding. Not even a trickle of illegal Muslims to Europe via Turkey no more. There is a ruthless Ottoman Firewall. Austria just managed not to vote in a Nazi this sunday. The Turkish blackmail model is obviously what the Uhuruto are copycutting. I am afraid it is a long shot. Daabab and Kakuma are a long way from White Europe, and an already stretched German treasury with a very pissed off minister named The Wolf, will call Kenya's bluff the way he called the Greek bluff. Ati (the nation writes) 'much of the funding has been coming from the European Union?' Bullsh!t. The funding has been coming from Germany! Please please! The Germans are human too. They are paying for the anti-Brexit Cameron campaign. They are paying Russia for the gas that heats Ukraine. They are paying for the Greeks to stay in the Eurozone. They are paying for the French army to play big bully boy in Mali, Azawad, Niger, CAR, Libya, Iraq, Syria; and now they have to pay for the Kenyan army to stay in Somalia too, to LINDA KENYA! They can of course, business minded Germans. But for the price tag you may want to take a close look at Greece. Or even the servility of Hollande to Merkel. Or for that matter, Egyptian Al-Sisi's gift of two Egyptian Islands to Saudi Arabia! William Ruto, if you are planning to blackmail Germany with chaos in Somalia --JIRANI! I suggest you find out who Yanislav Voroufakis is, and make a private appointment, far from the cameras, for a preparatory crash course. Varou-who? Sounds Greek to me! NB: When AbdulMote wrote my instincts concluded: it is insanely stupid for Kenya to seek to lead an East African economic zone excluding Somalia. Take a look at the LAPSSET program. It pretends Somali does not exist. That is unbelievably short-sighted in my vision. That is why I want unconditional peace talks in Nairobi with Al-Shabaab and the rest for a unitary of amicably halved Somalia, the way Arap Moi did Big Sudan! To develop, intergrate and bring in the marginalised North Frontier District, we need a plan which integrates Somalia Proper too. A Kismayo-Wajir railway is a start. Mogadishu Garissa too. But that kind of thinking is beyond current Nairobi. So Uganda pipeline goes to Tanga, and once it is in place, who says South Sudan wont use the already existing one, while we still argue inflationary compensation rates with connected land speculators? Think, Ruto, think. Are you not the next president? Joker! whose problem is Somalia really? The Europeans are going something calle TTIP! --sounds Greek too!
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Post by podp on May 23, 2016 20:45:23 GMT 3
THE WEST PAYS NOT, KDF STOPS LINDA NCHI!That is where we are now! ****** You can not make that up yawa! The president is so desperate, so out of his wits, he can not permit himself not even a tattered piece of self-respect! (Kara maberberie ema igoyoe propaganda!) much as Bono would like to turn the situation into an Aid Band, the largest refugee camp on earth is not a juicy place! www.nytimes.com/2016/04/12/opinion/the-permanent-temporary-solution.html?_r=0it appears we, Kenyans, are demanding for ransom to keep the Somali's in refugee camps in our country! Against the backdrop of the Turkey deal, refugees are a good currency to hold: a hedge against foreign criticism, a liability for which to blame domestic problems, and a bargaining chip for special favors from abroad. In its vulgar attempt to buy itself out of its international obligations, the European Union has started a bidding war. ***** It seems that most countries would prefer to deport potential taxpayers and pay huge fines in order to deny themselves economic growth. The World Humanitarian Summit, a United Nations-sponsored conference that will be held later this month in Istanbul, is an opportunity to shift the global discussion about refugees toward the potential benefits for all. But I fear it will simply turn into an auction. www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/opinion/refugees-shouldnt-be-bargaining-chips.htmlso listening to the UN SG at the Humanitarian Summit saying "“We are all here because global humanitarian action is unprecedentedly strained,” Mr. Ban told thousands of participants attending the opening ceremony,..." www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=54011#.V0Lrhse0duYone wonders what DPORK Ruto leading a delegation comprising of retired general Nkaissery who encouraged what Al Jazeera calls 'Day of Rage" is not so complementary to all the rest that is occurring www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/tear-gas-disperse-kenya-electoral-body-protest-160509144542177.html
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Post by kamalet on May 24, 2016 9:00:38 GMT 3
Anyone who has been to Dabaab will tell you that closing the camp and repatriating the refugees there is good for them as well as for Kenya. Living in such squalor for 25 years is a gross violation of anyone's human rights (and I am not even a campaigner for such rights!!). The refugee situation had to get to some point where the camps would cease being tenable, and I think we are at that point.
DP Ruto's demand that it is Somalia that needs financial help to take back and integrate the refugees rather than Kenya was right and the donor world with their sanctimonious love for refugees should take heed. A peaceful Somalia will save Kenya millions of dollars that can be used in more productive areas of health, education and corruption - and not necessarily in that order (coming from the school of thought that proceeds of corruption spent internally grow the economy!).
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Post by OtishOtish on May 25, 2016 0:19:52 GMT 3
Anyone who has been to Dabaab will tell you that closing the camp and repatriating the refugees there is good for them as well as for Kenya. Living in such squalor for 25 years is a gross violation of anyone's human rights (and I am not even a campaigner for such rights!!). The refugee situation had to get to some point where the camps would cease being tenable, and I think we are at that point. DP Ruto's demand that it is Somalia that needs financial help to take back and integrate the refugees rather than Kenya was right and the donor world with their sanctimonious love for refugees should take heed. A peaceful Somalia will save Kenya millions of dollars that can be used in more productive areas of health, education and corruption - and not necessarily in that order (coming from the school of thought that proceeds of corruption spent internally grow the economy!). I take it that would be the same DP Ruto that last year (at roughly the same time as this year) announced that all the refugees would be out in 90 days. A few shillings, some reminders of "donor" contributions to Kenya, ..., and the DP promptly forgot about the matter. The refugees don't cost Kenya anything. (I exclude occupancy of that dusty patch of middle-of-nowhere ground that nobody in Kenya has any use for.) The refugees are not going anywhere anytime soon. And, considering the lucrative magendo there, neither is KDF. Same time again next year? P.S. I like your "school of thought", which appears to be the dominant one in the current government: stop working and start stealing from the public coffers. Yes, kazi iendelee. www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/10-Ways-In-Which-Corruption-Hampers-Economic-Development-207109www.transparency.org/whatwedo/answer/the_impact_of_corruption_on_growth_and_inequalitywww.investopedia.com/articles/investing/012215/how-corruption-affects-emerging-economies.aspetc.
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Post by jakaswanga on May 25, 2016 20:48:31 GMT 3
WHERE AGAIN IS SOMALIA REALLY?This is the local map LAPSSETThis is the second context map. There is a third map sets the EAC transport web in context, further to Kisangani in DRC, Kigali Bujumbura and round again down to Tanga Indian Ocean. ALL OF THEM HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH SOMALIA! Not even the lower half of Somalia! That is now what scares the living daylights out of me. Pretending Kismayo is in Yemen! The clans to which some of the most prominent Kenyans belong, are both sides of the non existent border. Prominent Kenyans like Aden Duale (Jubilee number 3), Ahmednassir (The Grand Mullah); Major General Mahmoud Mohamed (Moi's saviour during August coup 1982); Brigadier Hussein Ali (Kibaki saviour 2007/8 PEV); Mohammed Yusuf Haji (former defense minister); Bi Amina Ali (current Jubilee foreign secretary) … these are to all practical purposes Somalis! kith and kin, blodd relatives and all on the other side too! And now the greatest network project ever in East and Central Africa pretends Somalia is in the middle east! Yawa, I do not buy that kind of sh!tty thinking! Plenty of Kenyans will feel more at home in Mogadishu and Kismayo than in Kigali and Bujumbura! And William Ruto wants to build a wall between one half of the Duale family and the other half!? Lo! Between Ruto and Duale who is the joker in Jubilee? And Uhuru wants to deport from Daabab, the family/clan members of Generals Mohamed Mahmud,Yusuf Haji and the rest of the prominent Somalis, claiming they are litter on our soil? Kwani DAABA CAMP IS NOT ON SOMALI SOIL? MAN, there are moments the simple-mindedness running Kenya hyperventilates me! that camp is in Somalis' land! is in historical Somali-land! The deportation will thus be pure ethnic cleansing! But come to think of it, Nairobi is based on the ethnic cleasing of the Maa people! ==we have a precedent!
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Post by kamalet on May 26, 2016 14:55:03 GMT 3
Anyone who has been to Dabaab will tell you that closing the camp and repatriating the refugees there is good for them as well as for Kenya. Living in such squalor for 25 years is a gross violation of anyone's human rights (and I am not even a campaigner for such rights!!). The refugee situation had to get to some point where the camps would cease being tenable, and I think we are at that point. DP Ruto's demand that it is Somalia that needs financial help to take back and integrate the refugees rather than Kenya was right and the donor world with their sanctimonious love for refugees should take heed. A peaceful Somalia will save Kenya millions of dollars that can be used in more productive areas of health, education and corruption - and not necessarily in that order (coming from the school of thought that proceeds of corruption spent internally grow the economy!). I take it that would be the same DP Ruto that last year (at roughly the same time as this year) announced that all the refugees would be out in 90 days. A few shillings, some reminders of "donor" contributions to Kenya, ..., and the DP promptly forgot about the matter. The refugees don't cost Kenya anything. (I exclude occupancy of that dusty patch of middle-of-nowhere ground that nobody in Kenya has any use for.) The refugees are not going anywhere anytime soon. And, considering the lucrative magendo there, neither is KDF. Same time again next year? P.S. I like your "school of thought", which appears to be the dominant one in the current government: stop working and start stealing from the public coffers. Yes, kazi iendelee. www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/10-Ways-In-Which-Corruption-Hampers-Economic-Development-207109www.transparency.org/whatwedo/answer/the_impact_of_corruption_on_growth_and_inequalitywww.investopedia.com/articles/investing/012215/how-corruption-affects-emerging-economies.aspetc. Unfortunately with your bad record on predictions - ICC (remember that?) - I would not trust your prediction here!
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Post by mwalimumkuu on May 26, 2016 20:25:48 GMT 3
Unfortunately with your bad record on predictions - ICC (remember that?) - I would not trust your prediction here! The crystal ball is growing molds in the car garage and has no use to anyone anymore. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~
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Post by OtishOtish on Jun 3, 2016 5:11:02 GMT 3
Unfortunately with your bad record on predictions - ICC (remember that?) - I would not trust your prediction here! It's been a while, so please remind me: what exactly is the prediction that you refer to, and why can it not be trusted? (Specifics, please.) Once we have that information, I assure you that we will boogie. Feel free to bring along that friend of yours ... Sad Dik or something?
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