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Post by kamalet on Jul 25, 2014 11:48:40 GMT 3
To Kamalet Why do you always want to show us your raw mental and intellectual difficiency when you discus anything in jukwaa, just kupayuka and defending the indefensible will not make you smarter but arouse your lack of inguenity and honesty . Do not clutch onto a sinking ship , Uhuruto have lost the plot and your nyumba alies are doing him in writing and dictating to kimaiyo and comedian ole lenku fictitious and concocted stories to read. Smell the coffee jubilee is sinking , and security failures are doing them in . The best brains in it were shunted now they are running around like headless chicken and you Kamalet included . Honour your dad for having taking you to school to think but not to be a tribal hegemony supporter. t2011 Is it your belief that the alternative position is the defensible one or the more intellectual one? I have no issues with what you want to believe in as intellectual as all these things are relative. Can we not have a commonsense conversation devoid of small political gods I do not worship and which I also suggest you desist from worshiping? So Jubilee is sinking, just who is seeing it sinking? Is it that boat that sunk ages ago? Me thinks you are only looking at at the hull when under the water and you think you are being followed down under....!
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Post by kamalet on Jul 25, 2014 12:51:08 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 25, 2014 15:00:46 GMT 3
I wondered how long it would take the KANU era throwback PC (renamed "County Commissioner") to come up with an Ole Lenku "Explanation"-which some folk find "hilarious":
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 25, 2014 15:20:20 GMT 3
Marwa inspires a prompt rebuttal from the ODM Secretariat:
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 25, 2014 15:38:06 GMT 3
A tweet from Father Dolan, who lives and works in Mombasa:
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 25, 2014 15:51:34 GMT 3
Another one from Kioko:
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Post by mank on Jul 25, 2014 15:51:42 GMT 3
A tweet from Father Dolan, who lives and works in Mombasa: OO, I hope at this point it is clear that things are not as simple as they seem when the leaflets are taken at face value. Personally I am not ready to settle with any explanation given this far. However I believe when facts are unearthed, and hope they are unearthed soon, the explanation of the rampage will be as shocking as it is right now. That's the kind of finding I expect at the end. I am not saying I expect facts to lead to ODM or its membership, rather that facts will most likely point at individuals who think they are doing a favor to some body to which they relate, but as they do it that body is unaware that it attracts that kind of favor. It is however a frustrating claim for Marwa to make without providing the alleged evidence.
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Post by t2011 on Jul 25, 2014 16:27:55 GMT 3
So cord killed Rogo ,Makaburi ,Butt and now likoni and changamwe killings . What a smarter intelligence service. Cord attacked mpeketoni with bozookas , rpgs , burnt the town and dissappeared in boni forest . Cord is also a terrorist party whose other name is al shabab. So even alcohol deaths in muranga ,embu and eldoret is the work of cord . Then the killing of Eaton the ceo of bright monday . This kenyan NIS is the best in the world . You deserve a lot of accolades.The best in investigation and unravelling murders and crime in the shortest time possible. So cord is also killing tourists in mombasa and withdrawing US peace corps Cord is also giving foreign advisory to it citizens of Uk , canada and america not to visit mombasa and coast region . So cord has been the force making the kenya shilling to stagnate at kshs88 after getting the Eurobond . Then Cord is the best cheese to ever happen in this country kenya , so kenyans are nincompops. Ahsante jubilee i did not know this . And what are KDF doing in somalia and boni forest when the terrorist cord a.k.a al shabab is known and residing in kenya and is on a killing spree all over . Why can't they come back and finish off the terrorists, why waste bombs, bullets and men in kismayu , lower and upper shebele , gedo and mogadishu while the enemy is having tanks , bazookas , rpgs , and roaming allover kenya. Marwa and Ole Lenku you made my day you are my role models.Thanks the new celebs in town . www.google.co.tz/search?q=pictures+of+poor+schools+in+kenya&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Q2bSU9jdBoix0QX0jYDICg&ved=0CDAQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=909
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Post by kamalet on Jul 25, 2014 17:01:23 GMT 3
Marwa inspires a prompt rebuttal from the ODM Secretariat: I am quite surprised that ODM would actually respond to such statement from Marwa that said nothing apart from dropping the name of ODM. What I would expect to see is arrest of human beings and then creating their link to ODM. The only point I would agree with Marwa on was that the Likoni murders were political and not normal thuggery!
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Post by mank on Jul 25, 2014 17:28:10 GMT 3
To Kamalet Why do you always want to show us your raw mental and intellectual difficiency when you discus anything in jukwaa, just kupayuka and defending the indefensible will not make you smarter but arouse your lack of inguenity and honesty . Do not clutch onto a sinking ship , Uhuruto have lost the plot and your nyumba alies are doing him in writing and dictating to kimaiyo and comedian ole lenku fictitious and concocted stories to read. Smell the coffee jubilee is sinking , and security failures are doing them in . The best brains in it were shunted now they are running around like headless chicken and you Kamalet included . Honour your dad for having taking you to school to think but not to be a tribal hegemony supporter. t2011 Is it your belief that the alternative position is the defensible one or the more intellectual one? I have no issues with what you want to believe in as intellectual as all these things are relative. Can we not have a commonsense conversation devoid of small political gods I do not worship and which I also suggest you desist from worshiping? So Jubilee is sinking, just who is seeing it sinking? Is it that boat that sunk ages ago? Me thinks you are only looking at at the hull when under the water and you think you are being followed down under....! If you scroll back memory pages you will come across some prudent advice you gave us here, that engaging in certain verbal battles is equivalent to playing a goat a guitar. It's time for The doctor who wrote that prescription to duplicate it for himself ... same dosage sir.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 25, 2014 20:00:09 GMT 3
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Post by OtishOtish on Jul 25, 2014 21:15:34 GMT 3
National security in Kenya seems to be a subject for training would-be comedians, many of whom already draw a nice wage from the government. A pity when people are dying. Perhaps when it gets bad enough---and there is a good possibility that it will---people will look at the real problems and start on solutions.
These things always start small-small, and before you now it, the abyss looms, and people wail and gnash their teeth: "aaaiiieee! how ever did we get to this point !?!". One hopes that in Kenya people will wake up before it gets to that point.
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Post by t2011 on Jul 26, 2014 8:28:18 GMT 3
Am sorry to say it loud and clear , Kenya is going the zimbabwean way it is walking on quicksand come December , we will be in real trouble . Jubilee mandarins have layed the carpet of failure and we will sleep on it i assure you my kenyan folks.
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Post by mank on Jul 26, 2014 8:48:55 GMT 3
See OO, even Europeans were killed. Do you reconsider your firm position yet? Tourist shot dead in Kenya was German: policeNairobi (AFP) - Kenyan police said Friday a female tourist shot dead in the coastal city of Mombasa was from Germany, the second such killing of a foreign visitor by gunmen there this month. The woman, who has not been named but was in her late 20s, was with her Ugandan companion when they were shot by attackers on Thursday, senior police commander in the port city Geoffrey Mayek said. The Ugandan man was wounded and taken to hospital, but his condition was not life threatening. "The German lady and the Ugandan man arrived in Mombasa on Thursday, they were to stay for two days," Mayek said. No one has claimed responsibility for the shooting, but Kenya has been hit by a recent wave of attacks blamed on Somalia's Al-Qaeda-linked Shebab insurgents, as well as local armed gangs. Kenya also suffers from high levels of violent crime and robberies. The shooting took place close to where a female Russian tourist was killed on July 6, also by unknown gunmen. Police blamed that attack on "normal thuggery". Last month the Shebab, which has carried out a number of attacks on Kenyan soil in retaliation for Kenya's military intervention in Somalia, warned foreign tourists to stay out of Kenya.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 26, 2014 20:13:18 GMT 3
See OO, even Europeans were killed. Do you reconsider your firm position yet? Man K:You are trying way too hard.
But: Sorry. These are TWO separate incidents. Let me familiarize you with the GEOGRAPHY of Mombasa. Likoni is on the SOUTH mainland of the county. You actually have to use a FERRY to cross via some water in between-part of the Indian Ocean- to get to the Soweto neighbourhood.
Mlango wa Papa, on the other hand is right on the island, close to Fort Jesus.The German tourist was shot on a DIFFERENT day by other suspects who DID NOT LEAVE HATE LEAFLETS BEHIND. Why is it so hard to believe that there could be TRIBALLY motivated criminal activity by some young thugs who see themselves as Gikuyu crusaders avenging for an attack on their community and blaming poor Luo slum dwellers for their plight?It is not as if such incidents are completely unknown. That is why I invoked what befell Mzee Ndege and his family in Naivasha. Onyango Oloo
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Post by mank on Jul 26, 2014 22:38:39 GMT 3
See OO, even Europeans were killed. Do you reconsider your firm position yet? Man K:You are trying way too hard.
But: Sorry. These are TWO separate incidents. Let me familiarize you with the GEOGRAPHY of Mombasa. Likoni is on the SOUTH mainland of the county. You actually have to use a FERRY to cross via some water in between-part of the Indian Ocean- to get to the Soweto neighbourhood.
Mlango wa Papa, on the other hand is right on the island, close to Fort Jesus.The German tourist was shot on a DIFFERENT day by other suspects who DID NOT LEAVE HATE LEAFLETS BEHIND. Why is it so hard to believe that there could be TRIBALLY motivated criminal activity by some young thugs who see themselves as Gikuyu crusaders avenging for an attack on their community and blaming poor Luo slum dwellers for their plight?It is not as if such incidents are completely unknown. That is why I invoked what befell Mzee Ndege and his family in Naivasha. Onyango OlooOO, I quite expected you to show me how the German's death cannot be lumped together with the deaths behind which leaflets were left. I was not trying to make the case that the same terrorist group of Likoni was responsible - it is the fact that there is no conclusive proof to the contrary that I thought was important. Since you did not respond when I showed you where your own postings contradicted your belief that the Likoni deaths were just what the leaflets claimed they were, I was just taking another opportunity to check whether you might have rethought the purist tribal explanation. So I really did not try as hard as you imagine, and now I see you are totally committed to ignoring clues that challenge the tribal explanation. When you say that I am "trying too hard", you are obviously still thinking that my mission is to convince you that the terror is not tribal. But that is not my goal! It is you who is trying too hard to make the leaflet message speak in a vacuum - see how you ignore any information on the nature of the current terror and presume to proof the tribal thread by going back to 2007/8 chaos. According to you, pulling out a disturbing story like that of Mr. Ndege is all we need to sell the current terror as simply a tribal issue. All I ask is that we make public statements on what is causing what when we have facts to support the statements, or we could be falling for the terrorist's bait. It is quite probably that the terrorist is very happy with your work so far. Thank you for the effort to familiarize me with Mombasa. I love to be back there although I visited only once. Of course I won't be in a hurry to visit if they continue this menace, but I hope we'll sober up and get things in check. I must say though, my point to you did not depend on familiarity with Mombasa ... so thank you "but no cigar." What inspired me to react to your original posting is what I view to be careless, dangerous and unsubstantiated explanation of the terror. When we claim to know that all that is going on is Kikuyu/Luo war, we fan the fire of Kikuyu/Luo war. We fan the very fire we decry - in my view, it would be quite in order to decry Kikuyu/Luo war when facts speak to such a war - but leaflets left by the terrorist are not the facts that matter. I see other factors speaking against what the leaflets allege, and for that reason I say that whoever claims to know what is going on just because s/he has read the leaflets works, albeit unconsciously, for the terrorist's objective. But you are not the only one making careless and dangerous claims - we have seen Uhuru, Marwa and others do the same. If you ignore my thinking and continue to imagine that I am just directing my "bazookas at you", remember you invited me to do so.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 27, 2014 7:47:28 GMT 3
Man K:
Unlike you, Oloo does not RELY on the online editions of Kenyan newspapers to know what is happening on the ground. I can be in Likoni in an hour. Perhaps some of those victims and survivors are MY BLOOD RELATIVES. Sega Bar, where two patrons were shot dead. in cold blood, is less than two minutes from the apartment I grew up in for twenty years. To remain OBJECTIVE, there are so many facts I have DELIBERATELY kept out of the public domain. I guess for you this is just another idle exchange in cyberspace.
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Post by mank on Jul 27, 2014 8:29:57 GMT 3
Man K: Unlike you, Oloo does not RELY on the online editions of Kenyan newspapers to know what is happening on the ground. I can be in Likoni in an hour. Perhaps some of those victims and survivors are MY BLOOD RELATIVES. Sega Bar, where two patrons were shot in cold blood is less than two minutes from the apartment I grew up in for twenty years. That's nonsense my friend. Most of the things you know today are things that happened very far from you, in time and space. Marwa is in the same proximity as you, if not even closer, and has a different explanation of who is terrorizing people in Likoni. Are you willing to accept his explanation over yours if he's closer to Likoni? Being closer to where things happen just means that you are a likely witness to information that can help explain what's going on. It does not give you monopoly of interpretation. .... To remain OBJECTIVE, there are so many facts I have DELIBERATELY kept out of the public domain. I guess for you this is just another idle exchange in cyberspace. Perhaps I would not be disagreeing with you if you were not holding back information. Perhaps what you are holding back is what would clear the contradiction that I point to. am only interpreting the information in the media since I am not there to see the unfolding with my eyes. If you believed that what's written should not be relied upon you would not write. I interpret information for a living. I extend that skill beyond the workspace to anything that matters to me. So when I see and react to apparently forced conclusions on serious matters, like the one you seem to make here, I don't think I am engaging in idle exchange in cyberspace. I think I am doing exactly what my membership in a forum like this on is about - and my expectation is that you would try just as hard to substantiate you conclusions. Unfortunately, in your view, whatever you conclude must be taken for the authority you have (in this case because you have lived in Likoni). I am really surprised at how you react when challenged to defend your claims on serious matters. Given the complaints you have made on many occasions, of how certain people have behaved when in power, that's an aspect of your personality you might want to iron out. :. That's not one of those things you term as bazookas directed at you. It is well meant and serious.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 27, 2014 11:08:11 GMT 3
Man K:
Let me try this one last time-and then you can have the last word-on what for you is an intellectual argument.
It is a fact that I am in Kenya and you are NOT.
It is a fact that I am talking of a Mombasa where I grew up, of a city where, even now, as we speak, I have relatives, friends and colleagues who do not have to wait for a Nelson Marwa to distort things for them or a Star, Standard, Nation or KBC journalist to report for things for them.
That may be "nonsense" for you; you can pontificate all you want.
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Post by mank on Jul 27, 2014 20:57:54 GMT 3
Man K:Let me try this one last time-and then you can have the last word- on what for you is an intellectual argument. It is a fact that I am in Kenya and you are NOT.It is a fact that I am talking of a Mombasa where I grew up, of a city where, even now, as we speak, I have relatives, friends and colleagues who do not have to wait for a Nelson Marwa to distort things for them or a Star, Standard, Nation or KBC journalist to report for things for them.That may be "nonsense" for you; you can pontificate all you want. Onyango Oloo OO, I had to consult a dictionary to find out what you accuse me of when you say ".. pontificate all you want". Definition of pontificate (vi) Bing Dictionary pon·tif·i·cate 1.speak pompously: to speak about something in a knowing and self-important way, ....You accuse me of exactly what you have been exercising.... what I correctly termed 'nonsense'. Just like Moi used to accuse his challengers of tribalism. You are crafty. I leave it there since you totally refuse to attend to the real issue that I pick with you.
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Post by kamalet on Jul 28, 2014 10:08:04 GMT 3
Man K:Let me try this one last time-and then you can have the last word- on what for you is an intellectual argument. It is a fact that I am in Kenya and you are NOT.It is a fact that I am talking of a Mombasa where I grew up, of a city where, even now, as we speak, I have relatives, friends and colleagues who do not have to wait for a Nelson Marwa to distort things for them or a Star, Standard, Nation or KBC journalist to report for things for them.That may be "nonsense" for you; you can pontificate all you want. Onyango Oloo Oloo I live in Nairobi and within gun-shot hearing of Kawangware - but that does not mean I know all that goes on there! I am more likely to listen to the chief of the area than the local matatu tout! This thread has unfortunately brought out the tribalist in you purely on account of two people who happened to be Luo. You criticised me for the postings I made on Mpeketoni suggesting that I was driven by the death of gikuyus and alluding a tribal view of it. I suggested that it was political but you were happy to believe Alshabaab's alleged claim. You know very well that the killings in Likoni are political. When it is convenient, history has no place in your analogy!
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jul 28, 2014 12:28:42 GMT 3
Kamale:
Throwing insults at me, calling me a tribalist and hurling all kinds of ludicrous allegations will not obscure the fact of what happened in Mombasa.
It is all in the public domain.
Those people who were shot to death were not amateur actors playing their role in some melodrama made by ODM.
Those leaflets were not produced by Onyango Oloo nor did I direct the NTV you tube clips featuring interviews with the victims and survivors.
It is startling to see the extent to which some people are prepared to go defending the indefensible and propping up impunity.
Of course, I am hardly surprised that you would hang on to the sacred word of the local County Commissioner, sorry, local chief. I am MORE inclined to go with the local matatu tout by the way.
Onyango Oloo
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