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Post by kamalet on Aug 19, 2014 21:32:23 GMT 3
Meanwhile in Nairobi hell break loose View AttachmentView AttachmentDeath is never a simple feat. Everyone will always scamper for safety in situations that are dangerous. But a Church located in Nairobi lost all the congregants when a renown pastor who was preaching at the pulpit shouted.."There is someone in our midst with Ebola and let him be healed in Jesus name." The pastor got so shocked. No sooner had he finished the statement, than the church became empty. The worshipers took less than one minute to disperse. Kolonelbrisk! Please confirm this is just national humour! The idea of healing to deal with ebola! yawa! .......national humour! I already have it on my Whatsapp! In the meantime news in Botswana is that Kenya is hard hit with Ebola and now no one wants to shake my hand here in Gaborone
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Post by b6k on Aug 19, 2014 22:50:41 GMT 3
In the meantime news in Botswana is that Kenya is hard hit with Ebola and now no one wants to shake my hand here in Gaborone Kamale you may have to get creative in your greeting style: ...or a blast from the '70s, doing the bump:
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Post by mank on Aug 20, 2014 1:13:54 GMT 3
b6k, looks like the first ebola case has been confirmed in one of Nairobi's hospitals. i can not think anything else than that it came with one of the KQ flights from ground zero. Unless the strand can be identified to be either the Sudano variant or the Congo-basin genome. or even a totally new one! bat caves of Suswa, kenya! Amigo, Kenya is just too connected to be left out, unfortunately. Meanwhile I read on the Nation "West Africans flood in at Busia, Malaba." That renders closure of KQ's flights to the affected region wasteful.
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Post by kamalet on Aug 20, 2014 8:56:03 GMT 3
b6k, looks like the first ebola case has been confirmed in one of Nairobi's hospitals. i can not think anything else than that it came with one of the KQ flights from ground zero. Unless the strand can be identified to be either the Sudano variant or the Congo-basin genome. or even a totally new one! bat caves of Suswa, kenya! Amigo, Kenya is just too connected to be left out, unfortunately. Meanwhile I read on the Nation "West Africans flood in at Busia, Malaba." That renders closure of KQ's flights to the affected region wasteful. That story of west Africans coming through Malaba and Busia does not sound right. It is alleged that these guys are arriving through Entebbei and into Kenya by road. So if we investigate this just a bit, then anyone with knowledge of the air industry will know that only three airlines have major west African destination and these are Kenya Airways, Ethiopian and Rwanda air. On KQ, 90% of the passengers are on transit to the orient and Southern Africa. The same holds true for Ethiopian and Rwanda air. Uganda as of now has no international airline so the issue of landing in Entebbe and coming to Nairobi would not hold true. Taking either Ethiopian or Rwanda air to their hubs and then to Entebbe shows a very desperate person. But even with desperation the ban on the west Africans only came into force on Last night, so why he need to use panya routes when their was no ban for the 122? Perhaps the worst form of journalism I have seen lately.
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Post by OtishOtish on Aug 20, 2014 18:40:27 GMT 3
Perhaps the worst form of journalism I have seen lately. It certainly is a crappy piece; just the sort of thing to cause unnecessary panic. For starters, the reporter starts by implying that there is a "flood" of people sneaking in, but then goes on to state that the 122 is of people entering and leaving; it does not occur to him that the two numbers should be separated if he wants to sell his panic. Nor does it occur to the writer to even think of when those who are entering Kenya might have entered Tanzania or Uganda. Etc.
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Post by mank on Aug 23, 2014 9:37:06 GMT 3
Now this at the Naiton: "Sierra Leone to review ties with Kenya over Ebola response."
We are perfectly capable of explaining any decision to run from an untreatable virus. I would advise them to run from us too, if we get the plague! But then I would advise them not to assume that runniing from our plague is the same thing as running from us.
Sierra Leone, call on us any day we have a solution to your problem, and we'll be there ... but we won't be there to pick problems we don't know how to solve. It would not help either you or us.
Kick that bug, dear friends. And by the way, if we find cure, we'll be knocking. That's all we can say at this time.
I hope our diplomats sent their's something to that tune.
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Post by kamalet on Aug 23, 2014 11:54:12 GMT 3
Now this at the Naiton: "Sierra Leone to review ties with Kenya over Ebola response." We are perfectly capable of explaining any decision to run from an untreatable virus. I would advise them to run from us too, if we get the plague! But then I would advise them not to assume that runniing from our plague is the same thing as running from us. Sierra Leone, call on us any day we have a solution to your problem, and we'll be there ... but we won't be there to pick problems we don't know how to solve. It would not help either you or us. Kick that bug, dear friends. And by the way, if we find cure, we'll be knocking. That's all we can say at this time. I hope our diplomats sent their's something to that tune. looks like they will have to review their ties with a lot more people.....South Africa has imposed even worse conditions! No south Africa can travel to the 3 base countries without government approval and citizens of those countries are banned from entering S Africa. As for those accusing Kenya of laxity....at OR Tambo there is no evidence of any screening and the only thing of note is a notice in the immigration booths sating that citizens of the 3 countries should be taken to Port Health on arrival!
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Post by b6k on Oct 1, 2014 14:31:22 GMT 3
Kamale even if they had those temperature checkpoints Ebola will eventually get through as has now been proven with America confirming its first passenger jet patient in Texas. Some fellow went visiting relatives there and this is how his timelines looked before it was confirmed he had Ebola: Sept. 19: After being checked for symptoms, patient boards commercial flight from Liberia. Sept. 20: Patient arrives in Dallas to visit family. Sept. 24: Patient begins to develop symptoms. Sept. 26: Patient seeks care but is sent home because initial symptoms can be nonspecific. Sept. 28: Patient is admitted to Dallas hospital and is placed in isolation. Sept. 30: C.D.C. confirms that patient’s blood is positive for Ebola. mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/01/health/airline-passenger-with-ebola-is-under-treatment-in-dallas.html?_r=0&referrer=He was clear of high temperature or other symptoms when he traveled on the 19th of September. When he eventually became symptomatic on the 24th, sought treatment on the 26th and was released back into the general population that same day. It wasn't until the 28th when he went back for more treatment as he was getting worse that he was admitted and isolated. Now the EMS crew and medical teams he came into contact with have been advised to stay home for 21 days. No word on his family members there but I assume the digs must be under lockdown. Passengers who flew with him are in the clear as he was asymptomatic then. If the above scenario had happened at JKIA and Kenyatta Hospital no doubt we'd be hearing a lot of criticism of the Kenyan healthcare system, mainly from Kenyans. Keeping in mind the outbreak may take up to 18 months to burn itself out it could be just a question of time before we get it here in KE with some passenger from West Africa.
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Post by kamalet on Oct 3, 2014 18:35:12 GMT 3
Kamale even if they had those temperature checkpoints Ebola will eventually get through as has now been proven with America confirming its first passenger jet patient in Texas. Some fellow went visiting relatives there and this is how his timelines looked before it was confirmed he had Ebola: Sept. 19: After being checked for symptoms, patient boards commercial flight from Liberia. Sept. 20: Patient arrives in Dallas to visit family. Sept. 24: Patient begins to develop symptoms. Sept. 26: Patient seeks care but is sent home because initial symptoms can be nonspecific. Sept. 28: Patient is admitted to Dallas hospital and is placed in isolation. Sept. 30: C.D.C. confirms that patient’s blood is positive for Ebola. mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/01/health/airline-passenger-with-ebola-is-under-treatment-in-dallas.html?_r=0&referrer=He was clear of high temperature or other symptoms when he traveled on the 19th of September. When he eventually became symptomatic on the 24th, sought treatment on the 26th and was released back into the general population that same day. It wasn't until the 28th when he went back for more treatment as he was getting worse that he was admitted and isolated. Now the EMS crew and medical teams he came into contact with have been advised to stay home for 21 days. No word on his family members there but I assume the digs must be under lockdown. Passengers who flew with him are in the clear as he was asymptomatic then. If the above scenario had happened at JKIA and Kenyatta Hospital no doubt we'd be hearing a lot of criticism of the Kenyan healthcare system, mainly from Kenyans. Keeping in mind the outbreak may take up to 18 months to burn itself out it could be just a question of time before we get it here in KE with some passenger from West Africa. The Liberian case is one interesting one of cock ups and lies. The guy had handled an affected relative before leaving home. He lied on his questionnaire that he had not been in contact with an infected person. When he went to hospital on 24th the health workers were quite negligent in not digging deeper into his complaints and their decision to give him some pills and send him home is one they will regret! Now nearly 100 people are being checked for infection, Bill O'Reilly wants West Africans kept out of the US for three months...!! In my travels, I was in Lagos last week and despite all warnings of doom and death, I was frankly quite impressed at the measures the Nigerians have put in place in Lagos even with the very low number of infections in Lagos. Apart from the stringent checks at the airport, every office I went to had a guard with the gun-like thermometer to check staff and visitors to the office and every person was sent to a dispenser with a disinfectant. The story is rather sorry for Kenya with its history of zero infection! Just like HIV or herpes, Ebola is a deadly disease whose only difference how quickly it kills you if you are infected. A little less of rumour mongering and common sense in handling the matter can stem the spread of the disease....the media is playing a terrible role in this case! I have watched Fox the last two days, and the single incident seems to overshadow the ISIS threat which according to an American congressman two weeks ago was an existential threat to the US!
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Post by b6k on Oct 3, 2014 19:15:53 GMT 3
Kamale, for once I'm inclined to agree with Bill O'Reilly. Guinea, Liberia & Sierra Leone seem to need more stringent restrictions of their nationals movements. There's no comparison with Nigeria which quickly took charge of the situation and kept the deaths within their down to 7 (official Nigerian death toll while WHO puts it at 8).
As you've noted a key ingredient in beating the disease is hygiene, something that seems to be lacking in the other 3 West African nations.
Now when it comes to the latest bogeyman, ISIS, who has filled the void now that Al Qaeda has surpassed its use by date, maybe those folks over at Fox are telling the truth for a change. I was skeptical when I heard that ISIS had a 3,000 strong army one day then mushroomed to over 40,000 overnight. I also found the footage of Syrian refugees fleeing into Turkey who were said to number over 200,000 in 3 days yet all the video footage would show little but bands of 50 to 100 people crossing the border with none of the usual tented refugee camps in sight. ISIS is most likely a created threat, a bogeyman that will make it possible for Uncle Sam & his henchmen to conduct cross border bombings at will (Syria & Iraq to start with but eventually it can be anywhere on the globe where these Sunni fanatics may appear)...
Back to Ebola, I hope our local medics can learn from the Nigeria experience. If Chinedu's people could beat it, I have faith that we can as well.
PS: Does herpes really kill? Syphilis, after decades of infection possibly, but herpes is a nasty infection one can live with into a ripe old age...extremely uncomfortably no doubt.
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