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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 7, 2014 10:41:16 GMT 3
SPECIAL NOTE TO ABDULMOTE. Salaams, Ndugu Abdulmote. It was you who, long ago when Miguna was still in Raila's GCG service and Kibaki's PNU was his target practice for his lyrical bombing runs, introduced an article to Jukwaa in which we ruminated controversialy, and some concluded he was no longer a man at ease at the top! Since then, a lot of semen has escaped balls as they say here. In england I think they say alot of water has flown under the bridge. My thoughts after the read.  |
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 7, 2014 10:59:54 GMT 3
SPECIAL NOTE TO ABDULMOTE --full text now.
Salaams, Abdulmote. It was you who, when Miguna was still in Raila's GCG service, and Kibaki's PNU was his target practice for his lyrical bombing runs, introduced an article an article to Jukwaa in which we concluded he was no longer a man at ease at the top!
I remember calling it the crisis text, a moral crisis moment, though I will try to fish it out to see how those musings went.
Having been a manamba in public service vehicles, and gotten experienced or street smart in dialogue and haggling with the common wananchi, it was obvious to me that the evils Miguna was heaping at Okuyu PNU's door, were also valid for his Luo Nyanza, the then infallable Paradise under the infallable Kalif to whom he was sworn loyalty to the death!
He was a bubble waiting to explode if he kept the mental rigour he was exhibiting at blasting the PNU. Having absorbed Okot P'Bitek, I spent my time with the masses testing his theory of, let me make it 8-)complicated: popular cognitive resolution of Kingship/royal dissonance.
Other way: every culture has within itself foolproof instruments of detecting the lies of the elite. And these lies are digested with humour to make dreary life palatable. So it can happen that a lot of people in church on Sunday, have other motives for being there than going to heaven after death. But don't ask do not tell.
So we cheered Miguna on against PNU, knowing if things went well with him and he maintained his head and sense, the boomerang would be all ours –at ODM to bear. It would be Luo necks next on his furious chopping block!
Now you can see Eliud Owallo and Karoli Omondi quarrelling over who stole money in 2013 elections. Of course every Luo, literate or fool, knows even in 2007 campaigns there were THEFTS of party campaign funds; unfortunately, the thieves right under Miguna's nose, had names beginning with Os, and not PNU (rofl)Njuguna!
Tactical Omerta I suppose. He knew, but kept it secret. Mount Kenya Mafia needed to be rocketed first! Now the rogue drone has turned its ferocious hellfire missiles at the Kavirondo republic, and I am heading for my nuclear-proof bunker under Got Gembe!
An artefact from antiquity, my Kalifaete!
And I will be back on this. --first I need give a memo to the adminstrator!
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 7, 2014 11:01:49 GMT 3
And I will be back on this. NB: To the Adminstrator Onyango Oloo. Dear Sir, Last time the ''caliphate'' did an AIPAC on you, and you banned a thread on the anxieties of Luo nationalism. Miguna has now turned his drone-hit killer hellfires on Luo Nyanza. You very well know we have to re-visit Luo nationalism as an ideological manifestation in crisis. I hope you have developed thicker skin meanwhile, and to AIPAC tactics of intimidation you are proof. |
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Post by Luol Deng on Sept 8, 2014 10:09:27 GMT 3
JaKaswanga,
Greetings from the warm heart of Africa aka Malawi. I can count myself among the few people who consistently opposed Miguna right from his time at the OPM and this article, like many others before it, seems to have been motivated by spite rather than anything of substance. It basically falls apart under basic scrutiny. I have to state my position clear, I am against the clamour for a national referendum based on the information that is available thus far. We have a constitutional order in place and there are fundamental sections that have been conveniently ignored by the current office holders with impunity. Both houses of parliament have also conveniently ignored the bits that are uncomfortable. A few examples:
i) The SRC standoff with the national assembly. They had a similar one with the Judiciary but it was not as publicised as the one with the houses of parliament.
ii) The executive and the National assembly completely ignoring the Senate recommendations on county allocations. This is despite the highest office in the land ruling that the Senate has to be consulted on the issue.
iii) The continual frustration of the National Land Commission. This is a constitutional body that has a lot of responsibilities under the current constitution. The executive has frustrated it by under funding it and by blatantly usurping its powers.
iv) Not even the judiciary is immune to flouting the constitution. When they were summoned to parliament over the Shollei fiasco, they decided to ignore the summonses. Constitutionally, appearing before parliament is non negotiable. The least they could have done would have been to appear before the committee and to decline cooperation on the points that they would have thought were infringing on their rights.
v) Chapter 6? We know how well this crucial chapter in the constitution has been handled thus far.
We have numerous examples, but I'll stop there. So, amending the constitution will not address any of CORD's grievances. This leads us to the true intention of the referendum call. Just as Ruto was poised to oppose Raila on the referendum to see whether his ethnic constituency is under his grip, this clamour for a referendum is meant to confirm whether the Kalenjin and to a lesser extent the remaining half of the Somali constituency is still under the grip of URP.
I have to agree grudgingly with Miguna on the point that most of the grievances are almost impossible to code as referendum questions other than increased allocations to the counties. Miguna's call for regional dialogue and his proposed solutions are comical to say the least. He knows that he doesn't have the political clout or the financial muscle to get those ideas off the ground. Let us see what he comes up with next.
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Post by b6k on Sept 8, 2014 10:16:55 GMT 3
The Odinga Caliphate can only be strong when its demands are opposed. If I were Uhuruto, I wouldn't directly fight against it, but rather give it what it wants. There's nothing wrong in being prepared to lose a war (referendum) as long as you're confident you can win the war (election). After all the Caliphate won the '05 referendum (when Uhuruto supported it!) and lost the '07 and, more critically, the post promulgation 2013 elections. Now the new constitution that was agitated for in '05 suddenly isn't as good as it was hoped it would be. As long as Jubilee can keep winning elections, there's little harm in allowing the Odinga Caliphate to chase the fleeting mirages of Canaan...
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Post by Luol Deng on Sept 8, 2014 11:04:25 GMT 3
B6K,
Seems that like Miguna, the term caliphate has excited you in the same way that candy would excite a child. On to serious matters, the president's handling of this referendum issue shows how politically incompetent his advisers are. Initially when the clamour was about 'dialogue', that would have been the time to take the sting out of CORD by 'agreeing' to their demands, but on the president's terms. Kibaki did the same and succeeded. Moi did the same and succeeded. What did we witness? Hubris, this can be attributed to political immaturity more than anything else. Fast forward, when the demands turned from dialogue to referendum, what happened next? We then hear the Aden Duales threatening referendum sympathizers in Jubilee, the president's propaganda machinery goes into overdrive but most importantly, the pro establishment sycophants like Kipchumba Murkomen state that "there can be no referendum without dialogue"!
Of late the Jubilee strategy seems more confused and chaotic than ever. We have a lawsuit to derail the signature gathering exercise. The threats of expulsion from coalitions is now being pushed by no less than the president. We even have the most ludicrous political gimmick, Jubilee intending to gather 10 million signatures to stop the CORD referendum. In brief, the Jubilee strategy is an incoherent mess.
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Post by b6k on Sept 8, 2014 13:32:45 GMT 3
There, there Lol Deng. Was the candy jibe really necessary? To be honest nothing "excites" me much on the Kenyan political scene as it's pretty much updates on what one fisi faction is up to against the other fisi faction. Nothing but sound bytes and useless blurbs.
I hadn't noticed your earlier thread as we must've posted simultaneously. Reading it now I see we are pretty much on the same page. Probably where I lost you was in my dismissal of the Odinga Caliphate. I still stand by what I said earlier. Resistance is the oxygen that the Caliphate thrives on. Deny them any form of resistance and you starve them of the political "heat" that eventually gives them traction.
That said, one has to be very careful in how you go about "agreeing" with the Caliphate. Unlike you, I believe Moi "agreed" and got burnt when NDP destroyed KANU from within. Kibaki resisted to the point that we had PEV after which he "agreed" to cooperation 2.0 but on his own terms. He had the Caliphate in government but worked around them rather than with them.
The Kibaki kind of "cooperation" (although without bringing the Caliphate into power; so in effect it's more co-opting than cooperating with the Caliphate) is what Uhuruto need to design for themselves. Like Kibaki they should find a way of giving the veneer or illusion of cooperation whilst in reality bringing in the Caliphate while putting whatever joint strategies they create together under quarantine so that they go on with their Jubilee mandate unchallenged. It's the old adage of keeping your friends close, but your enemies closer. Whether done at the "dialogue" or "referendum" stage is really immaterial even though the positive effect is greater in the latter if you allow the Caliphate a "victory" only to deny them again when it really matters in the election. Allow them the empty mid term victories but protect the elections where it matters. Surely that shouldn't be too hard to arrange if they're confident that a 20 year Jubilee reign is well and truly in the cards.
Their goal should be to take the wind out of the Caliphate's sails. Resisting them only builds up the moribund army...
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Post by Luol Deng on Sept 8, 2014 14:57:07 GMT 3
B6K,
The Moi example was the IPPG talks, we know what the opposition was demanding and we know what they subsequently received. As for the co-operation, anything that was going to bring down the Moi empire was welcome to me and it couldn't have come any sooner. As for the president and his team, it is clear that they have no clue.
So, if they were to play their political chess well, I would have expected them to agree to the calls for dialogue then seize the initiative by bringing their counter proposals to nullify CORD's. Most of the stuff that CORD is asking for e.g. equitable appointments, security, etc are already catered for under the current constitution. The only proposal that they can realistically bring to the referendum is the increase of county allocation to 40%. CORD knows very well that this would be an easy sell in most Jubilee strongholds except those in the former central province, after all, the former RV province wanted more devolution.
The only bit that I can see Jubilee running away with is regarding the wasteful spending, especially by the MCAs. This propaganda advantage they have been enjoying is however built on quicksand. The expenditure by the office of the president on cars exceeded sh 800m! We have numerous examples of central govt wastage, how will they explain away that?
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 8, 2014 19:22:28 GMT 3
JaKaswanga, Greetings from the warm heart of Africa aka Malawi. Sawa, sawa, nimepokea kwa roho! ata zingine zimerusha kwa akina Gringo  Mank! It is autumn and King Winter is bearing down on Obamaland. Man Mank needs all the warmth we can send him! yes, I was not yet enrolled to Jukwaa, but I remember reading you guys whenever I could manage an internet rendezvous –-good lord, in those days, Nairobi or Kisumu, you could press enter and go and smoke on the streets and come back and the world bowl was still rolling –-only to return no connection, while the billing clock tick-tocked on. I agree Miguna seems motivated by spite at Raila, but I am not ready to conclude that is all there is to his polemics. I have thought about it and looked beyond his bile with Raila, and I think there is more content, a general critique [Of Luoland] with substance independent of his ill obsession with Raila. I will presently post a position paper. In which I hope to unearth the substance after wading through the anti-Raila verbiage. We are together on this. I think I know these things can be sorted out without a referendum. But reading you on at a later paragraph, I recognise we are on the same page again, in the realisation that the REFERENDUM is about something else. This is high octane politics, and that is why I think I posted on the Ababu Namwamba thread, that I would rather Ababu got to the forefront of the referendum campaign! Everybody knows the referendum trail is a perfect opportunity for the leaders of the opposition outside parliament to shine, dominate national consciousness, and tie down the Jubilee leadership to their pace and cheek around the country. And the panic in Jubilee –- like Ouru demanding people like Bomet Rutto resign, is a realisation that, on the campaign trail, a healthy Agwambo will be invincible. Miguna knows this –-and because he has bile with Raila, I can suspect he opposes the referendum too, because of the advantages it may accrue his nemesis, the Kalif. excellent examples. But my other point is usually always, that no sooner was the constitution promulgated, than the GCG in which Raila sat, set about mutilating it in both letter and spirit –--remember the debates on the integrity clauses and all. I therefore find it difficult, knowing all those amendments people like Eugene Wamalwa interned, to think the document we have now is still relevant to the ideals of the promulgated original. This new constitution seems to have given politicians the power to set their own earnings and perks! For public finances, that is a titanic that has hit its iceberg. It makes me have a very low opinion of Rotich, the fin-sec. He aint got a clue how to, in wage models, value political labour in Kenya in the context of an operative market output of only $40 bn GDP @ 42 million people, #35% educated youth unemployment, non industrial economy.Not only do we have relatively per 1000 people one of the highest number of political representatives, but they are also some of the best paid in the world! And there is a very contented looking President Kenyatta and his finance minister! –-I feel like a referendum about it! yes! The referendum is about something else! And the whole country knows it! May be that is the fun about it! The joys of collective hypocrisy! I will try to go through Miguna's bag of proposals and general content as objectively as I can. Why may be evident once I post my considered assessment on the ''historical situation of Miguna''. Stay tuned. |
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Post by b6k on Sept 9, 2014 9:58:54 GMT 3
B6K, The Moi example was the IPPG talks, we know what the opposition was demanding and we know what they subsequently received. As for the co-operation, anything that was going to bring down the Moi empire was welcome to me and it couldn't have come any sooner. As for the president and his team, it is clear that they have no clue. So, if they were to play their political chess well, I would have expected them to agree to the calls for dialogue then seize the initiative by bringing their counter proposals to nullify CORD's. Most of the stuff that CORD is asking for e.g. equitable appointments, security, etc are already catered for under the current constitution. The only proposal that they can realistically bring to the referendum is the increase of county allocation to 40%. CORD knows very well that this would be an easy sell in most Jubilee strongholds except those in the former central province, after all, the former RV province wanted more devolution. The only bit that I can see Jubilee running away with is regarding the wasteful spending, especially by the MCAs. This propaganda advantage they have been enjoying is however built on quicksand. The expenditure by the office of the president on cars exceeded sh 800m! We have numerous examples of central govt wastage, how will they explain away that? The quicksand you point out is why I said earlier that the rantings of one faction of fisis against the other won't get the nation anywhere. Constitutionalism does not exist in Ke and most likely never will in our lifetime. A culture like ours that puts "me first" at the expense of the public good will always repeat the same mistakes. Education requirements for our legislators were set at a certain for a reason but were quickly watered down for the expediency of serving self(ish) interests. The same can be said for Chapter 6 and flouting the SRC, both of which you noted earlier. Would it have been so difficult to put a freeze on constitutional amendments until the constitution proved to be unworkable? |
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Post by Luol Deng on Sept 9, 2014 12:12:37 GMT 3
b6k, As I stated before, this thing is all about confirming whether large chunks of the political constituency that 'delivered' the victory to Jubilee in 2013 are still intact. Since gauging the public mood in key constituencies around the country is the ultimate aim A lot of water has passed under the bridge. Mandera was solidly Jubilee (They played the clan card well which ensured that while CORD secured the largely Degodia Wajir, Jubilee secured the support of the largely Garre Mandera). With the operations that took place in Eastleigh & South C, the govt. did not cover itself with glory in the eyes of the Somali community. So whether the Garre, who are also present in large numbers in Eastleigh & South C are still supporting the Jubilee alliance remains to be seen. We then have the clashes that have ravaged both Wajir and Mandera, the government has lost all control up there. On the Kalenjin support, they seem to be largely indifferent to the Jubilee administration. With a polarising question such as one on increased allocation to the county governments, are they going to cast their lot with the central government or are they going to go with the idea of more devolved funds to the grassroots? In the 2010 referendum, William Ruto vigorously campaigned that the former Rift Valley needed more devolution, not less. The Coast is a different ball game altogether. Having lived at the Coast for well over 7 years and being a regular in 4 of the counties (Mombasa, Kwale, Kilifi & Taita Taveta) it is difficult to sell to them an idea that the central government means them well. We have thousands of acres that were stolen in Kilifi county at Vipingo, most of the beach plots were also stolen by the Jomo administration, the same is the case in Kwale. As for the case of Taita Taveta, the less said the better. Then we have the case of development. Most of the constituencies at the coast were under Kanu MPs. There was next to no development during their tenure. Noah Katana Ngala was for instance the MP for Ganze till 2002, to date there is not a single centimetre of tarmac in that constituency. A famous (or infamous) song was even composed in recognition of the travails of getting to a point within Ganze constituency "Safari ya Bamba ni machero" roughly translating to "The trip to Bamba will be on tomorrow" which was about the procrastination involved when one wanted to travel to Bamba. Most of the developments of note have come under opposition MPs. So, the Coast inasmuch as the govt. tries reaching them, is still not sold on the govt. agenda. Western? It is clear for all that Ababu is the latest catch. The ability of Ababu to rally the grassroots in Western in general and Busia in particular is still questionable. His machinations seem to be based more on differences with Paul Otuoma than anything else. Raila was in Budalangi on Saturday, Ababu's twitter feed was quiet. When the president landed there on Sunday, he covered the visit extensively on his twitter feed and even retweeted a lot of the govt. twitter handles covering the visit. It is safe to assume that Ababu is gone. Now the question becomes will Ababu be able to succeed where Moody and Musalia failed before him? He may be eloquent but I don't think he has the political savvy to make a dent.
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 9, 2014 18:52:17 GMT 3
MIGUNA CARPET BOMBARDING THE ODINGA CALIPHATE!Miguna's current polemical oeuvre, of late as exposed in his columns in the Nairobistar, form a body of work which, I am afraid, is part of a cultural wail of distress from deep the churning volcanic depths of the Luo Nation. They are an SOS, a gaseous emission that warns and informs, a symptom of a deep social crisis in Luo Lands. (this separation of Land from Luo is to mean the crisis is also manifest outside the geographical territory Nyanza .. the epicentre of the so called Odinga caliphate!). NB: According to LuolDeng of Jukwaa, the term '' caliphate'' excites Miguna the way candy might a child! I do not know about you gents and dames, but that quip from LuolDeng cracked my ribs some. As to whether it is equally applicable to b6k, let some Solomon arise and spake a word of wise!) To continue, Miguna's is one aspect of '' concerned reactions'' to the crisis. His is a definition obsessed with the person of Raila, or the caliph in this scenario. In the same vein, yesterday's melee in Migori in which the relevant Governor was put to shame by ODM-shouting goons and the President of the republic humiliated along, is another symptom of the said social crisis within the said caliphate. But seen in isolation and at a casual glance, Miguna missives are the rant of, to quote His Divineness Raila, a mad man of no consequence. On the other hand, given a quick think, then a double look over, methinks beyond his anti Raila vehemence is clearly an articulate attempt to critique the stagnation which he perceives to have afflicted his Nyanza. He then apportions hefty blame at the Kalifa. Debatable. That there is something hurting at the heart of the Kalifaete is not in doubt me asserts. And that is why I talk of a deep social crisis. Miguna's is an attempt to look entirely at internal causes, and narrow it all down to one man, the reigning Kalifa. Correct description of ailment, wrong causality. Kisumu as once having been the New York of Africa may be stretching it to the limit  , but one gets the point: there is a general malaise, stagnation, intellectual regression, cultural retardation, a stifling depression etc etc. Young Seth Disembe Disembe may need cerebral re-enforcements to rebut the content of that rhetorical flair displayed by the Luo Hatefigure aka Njuguna. Silence will be golden, but at this level of pungent intensity, the silence, masquerading as enlightened dismissive snobism, may just be the confirmation of the accusation: ''nolonger vibrantly debating all public and topical issues!'' unless as an effort in the equivocation of sycophancy to the Kalifa of course! Miguna's passion is authentic I think. The over the top hit-power is just a manifestation of the concentrated fury, nearly running into a frenzy --Unable to tolerate so much mediocrity, like some impatient revolutionary at the pace of change of the peasants! My instinct is, this is something that can not merely be explained by a formenting Raila vendetta. This goes beyond Raila. This is a Luo distress call. Like one walking on tight, hurting shoes, limps even as they try to camouflage the discomfort, Miguna's evident pain at the ''situation'' is the diagnostic limp of a political polity in misstep with history, hurting. We of his community who give him the ear the Trojans gave Cassandra when she shouted to disturb their peace, that is our choice. Let me make it more insidious in line with local folklore. Cassandra of Troy and her ignored warnings, is the cannonic Version of the Luo Simbi Nyaima legend, of the Got Huma slopes. The believers have of course reacted to the crisis with more fanatical trust in the chosen one, and more paranoia –since every other talent emerging in the fraternity is branded -an enemy- mole. It is like some kind of suicide pact which, Polemical Miguna thinks, has reduced Luoland intellectual life into an artefact of antiquity! Definitely inspired phraseology! And between the lines are contents i wouldn't want to ignore. We will see about that. May be young Disembe Disembe has some free time, in jail or out, to shoot straight. His mind undead!
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Sept 10, 2014 11:09:48 GMT 3
What is a Caliphate?Here is what Wikipedia tells us: Given the above context, I consider it BLASPHEMOUS and ISLAMOPHOBIC the contemporary ABUSE of the term "Caliphate" by the terrorist extremist militia outfit calling itself   ISIS
(NB:In late August 2014, a leading Islamic authority Dar al-Ifta al-Misriyyah in Egypt advised Muslims to stop calling the group "Islamic State" and instead refer to it as "Al-Qaeda Separatists in Iraq and Syria" or "QSIS", due to the militant group's un-Islamic character. SOURCE: Wikipedia). As everyone knows, Onyango Oloo is NOT religious, but I am conscious of the fact that MANY MUSLIMS are some of the longest serving members of Jukwaa and I think it is an affront for their faith to be trashed by terrorists who sully Islam by hijacking revered theological terms. Away from those theological details, I find it completely out of place to use the term "caliphate" in reference to the partisan cleavages in Kenyan mainstream politics. Please LEAVE MUSLIMS OUT OF THESE EXCHANGES.
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Post by b6k on Sept 10, 2014 16:37:56 GMT 3
Luol Deng, methinks a lot of people will be surprised by the changing alliances, which as we all know is SOP in KE politicians.
But back to the main premise of the thread. What's a Caliphate OO asks? Going by the definitions he provides it's clear why Miguna chose to use that terminology on the Odinga brigade. It's current (ISIS, ISIL, Boko Haram) and dove-tails well with the intolerant nature of the said brigade for anything foreign our outside their shared belief. I don't think it's to be taken literally as it's a metaphor for an intolerant group of people, not of a religion. No one is referring to the Islamic origin of the term but to it's current bastardized version which OO rightly notes is an affront to Islam in the lands/groups I mentioned above. Seen in this light I think a Muslim would be wrong to feel offended by Miguna’s usage of the word caliphate.
So bwana Admin, what's happened to your appreciation of poetry?
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 10, 2014 17:54:35 GMT 3
MIGUNA VS THE ODINGA CALIPHATE, BATTLE ROYAL Eh Miguna! eh Miguna!
Eyi! okew kaoch wuon!
Ikwer marwani en mana Kalifaet?What is a caliphate? A caliphate is an Islamic state or metropolitan. It's led by a Kalif, who is a political and religious leader, and a successor (caliph) to the Islamic prophet Muhammad. His power and authority is absolute. Just like the will of Allah. He –-no she's here-- is a religious potentate.We have been here in human history. We thus have many names for absolute despots, military or not. Hereditary or not, claiming divine authority. Caliph is merely an Islamic theological construct to legitimate Mohamedan despotism. Students of political organisations will ferret out the scam immediately, like the famous BLUE BLOOD.If the authority and power of the caliph is absolute, he must in person be kind of divine, or his office ideologically constructed as being so. That sounds like an Old fashioned god-emperor, some Pharaoh of holy mandate, in reality a deity like Nero of Rome or an Epiphanes like the Antiochus, or, to come to our times, some infallible man like the Japanese Emperor, aka His Brightness the son of Light, grandson of The Sun. The caliph is,in effect, a unification of powers in a political arrangement which has been unstable ever since the bourgeoisie historical revolution which fragmented society into class warfare within the Judiciary, Legislature and Executive in various forms of statal existence. More often than not parliament has been pretending to be the peoples representative. In some states such a body has been tolerated, has assumed uninterrupted legitimacy as an institutional arbiter. But looking around most of the world, this lovely parliamentary form has not been a happy model for most nations, and as late as the 1980s (within our modern times), we could still witness the Ayatollah Khomeini Uniting all branches, spiritual, political and moral leader, above all known laws! The Ayatolla, unlike many a modern monarch who is but a relic for public entertainment, held real political power. (By the way, what was Lady Diana, or her son and his wife Middleton now, if not spices for public amusement, selling tabloids, generating website hits to sell adverts?) But his successor Khamenei has definitely been caught in the triumvirate rivalry, is more or less evolving into a counsellor of counsellors. An authority of knowledge, more like the chair of the supreme courts! NB: I will not accept being reminded that Kenya too had a constitutional clause which declared the President above the law! Neither that the Presidency of the United States, after winning the cold war, has emerged as Prosecutor, Juror and Executioner, ordering drone executions in foreign lands at his whims. That some say Potus is a caliph too! A god. The bourgeois revolutionary clause of separation of powers proves a modern myth then. A statement of mission. That creates a vacuum for other experiments. And thus no wonder some daring man has called modernity's bluff and declared an official caliphate somewhere in the oil rich region. But that area is of course the headquarters of world despotism, the cradle of three Great World religions. I do not want to take on the three great opiates of the world, that is why I wont be reminded! So I will take a read at Miguna as if the only caliphate in the world is this one of ours –-the Odinga Caliphate. Scientifically, I might or not recognise this essay is a column in a newspaper, where such forms tend to dictate a certain dynamic, or inherently boast set of polemical laws. With these caveats established, we now will talk about the Odinga Kalifaete in Luo Nyanza, the Kingdom Come of the Believers. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 10, 2014 18:01:12 GMT 3
Luol Deng, methinks a lot of people will be surprised by the changing alliances, which as we all know is SOP in KE politicians. But back to the main premise of the thread. What's a Caliphate OO asks? Going by the definitions he provides it's clear why Miguna chose to use that terminology on the Odinga brigade. It's current (ISIS, ISIL, Boko Haram) and dove-tails well with the intolerant nature of the said brigade for anything foreign our outside their shared belief. I don't think it's to be taken literally as it's a metaphor for an intolerant group of people, not of a religion. No one is referring to the Islamic origin of the term but to it's current bastardized version which OO rightly notes is an affront to Islam in the lands/groups I mentioned above. Seen in this light I think a Muslim would be wrong to feel offended by Miguna’s usage of the word caliphate. So bwana Admin, what's happened to your appreciation of poetry? B6K, should we really stop using terms because of their bastardized offensive nature? --for instance referring to the Tea Party wing of the GOP as a SECT! You know it offends them highly! And how about ''New Rome''? |
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Post by b6k on Sept 10, 2014 21:01:24 GMT 3
There's a very thin line between censorship and being politically correct. I hear it was Jamhuri Day in Pyongyang yesterday...
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Sept 10, 2014 21:34:42 GMT 3
There's a very thin line between censorship and being politically correct. I hear it was Jamhuri Day in Pyongyang yesterday... Can you explain what you are ranting about? Onyango Oloo |
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Post by b6k on Sept 11, 2014 8:03:32 GMT 3
There's a very thin line between censorship and being politically correct. I hear it was Jamhuri Day in Pyongyang yesterday... Can you explain what you are ranting about? Onyango OlooOn matters caliphate & how it shouldn't offend anyone who appreciates the use of metaphorical language, refer to my earlier post above. There's nothing "blasphemous" about alluding to a bygone political entity which thugs & brigands are attempting to revive & comparing it to another in contemporary KE which would best be abandoned to allow for more democratic space. True democracy, not democracy as brought to to you by the MiB... As for Independence day in Pyongyang, it literally was Independence Day in Pyongyang a couple days ago... |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Sept 11, 2014 8:37:44 GMT 3
b6k:
Here is a tiny snippet of Muslim concerns by one of our founding members-has been with Jukwaa since its inception in August 2005:
Incidentally, on the insidious, politically illiterate insinuations of Pyongyang-inspired by the toilet mouthed morons over at Nipate-I should point out there is no country going by that moniker.
Onyango Oloo
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Post by b6k on Sept 11, 2014 10:52:05 GMT 3
How unfortunate. I'll be the first to admit the Muslim world is currently under attack in the GWOT, which coincidentally began today on 9-11-2001 & in all likelihood will go on for decades to come. But what's that got to do with Miguna's metaphorical reference to a caliphate that had absolutely nothing to do with Islam?
The thing about pushing a politically correct line is in the long run it stifles debate, or worse yet, corrective action as we saw in the case of Rotherham on Jakaswanga's Rotten UK thread. Anything one says or does has the potential to offend someone depending on their tolerance levels, or lack thereof. If it's within reasonable bounds and doesn't involve physical harm, what's the problem? Whatever happened to "sticks & stones can break my bones but words will never hurt me"?
It reminds me of an episode of Fawlty Towers where Basil was hosting a group of Germans at the hotel. The poor fellow had a rough time dealing with the situation as he kept on being told "don't mention the war!" The end result was a hilarious situation where poor Basil ended up making numerous faux pas (plural?) including marching the fascist German goose step while ranting like Hitler, thanks in large measure to the absurdity of trying too hard to be politically correct.
Pyongyang in the Jukwaa sense isn't the capital nor the DPRK. It's a state of mind wherein the Admin, aka Dear Leader, can crack the whip & subjects toe the line without question. Once again you are being literal while the "toilet mouths" prove that even in their politically inept way they can appreciate the power of metaphor...
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 11, 2014 19:25:53 GMT 3
There's a very thin line between censorship and being politically correct. I hear it was Jamhuri Day in Pyongyang yesterday... Can you explain what you are ranting about? Onyango Oloo Please Dear Leader Oloo, have a thicker skin! i saw on social media somebody refering to Jukwaa as a ''web caliphate'' !!!!  under Ababubakr Onyango Oloo! it had not occured to me Pyongyang could evolve into something nastier! but here we are, O caliph! cool he!? |
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 21, 2014 17:52:15 GMT 3
ON MIGUNA's SORTIES AT THE CALIPHATE MENTALITIESIn one of the most ruthless blasts ever directed at Luo intellectuals, Miguna Miguna declares No Luo, educated or otherwise, seem willing or able to engage in anything substantive without the approval of the Paramount Chief. ARTEFACTS OF ANTIQUITY, is what Luo intellectuals have become! It is an indictment worth a pause for thought, before it is dismissed as outrageously false. Some of these things can be quantified and measured. And then comparatively rated, against chosen samples, eg against the so-called international standards. One of the indicators, or yardsticks these days, is the R&D/GDP ratio. What % of the National Income is spent on Research and development? (For the purposes of this paper we are not critiquing R$D further. But it will be understood R&D are not ideologically neutral. For Public funds can be prioritised with a bias toward rich peoples diseases, leaving the poor totally undefended. Citing market forces. ''Breakevenomics''!)For states in the world, there is of course various UN bodies, not to mention the World Bank, who keep tables of such things like the (1) expenditure on debt servicing, (2) public health, (3) primary education, (4) elite entertainment and corruption. (5) Liters water allowance per head per day, (6) etc etc. For our Kavirondo-shore caliphate then, we can pinpoint the cumulative remunerations from local taxes, the disbursement from the central state (as per devolution requirements), diaspora remittances, loans and grants; and, after quantifying this sum, we can go about trailing its distribution, or budgetary disbursement. --Recurrent expenditure x%. Research into malaria, ebola, aids and other ills besieging the caliphate inmates, y%. Travel allowances local administrators t%. If no research institutions are existent in the caliphate for the above life-threatening ills, how many scholarships for the respective disciplines have each county lotted to local stars to go and major at international institutes offering the beef? If none, then I can see Miguna's point … about no one ready to engage in any substantive endeavour without approval of the caliph. Then of course His Excellency Ouru Kenyatta must be the one to come with mosquito nets, after his heart is touched by the haplessness of the caliphate children dying in droves from malaria. That will say, Maseno University department of public health –if it exists, has never heard of the mosquito as a vector of the responsible parasite. So, if some women from Migori who have lost children due to Malaria, now find relief in the nets brought by Muigai, confident the siblings will survive, then, as my sister in law rebukes me, ''the Jakaswanga of this world must think twice before they insult Migori women who ululate Uhuru Kenyatta Akhbar!'' Mea Culpa! FISH.Any plans for LIFT? (Luo Institute of Fish Technology). I will remember the Nile Perch or Mbuta was actually a GM modification, aka frankstein fish, introduced to beef up dwindling stocks just as colonialism came to an end. (Beef up stocks to feed the English working class with cheap protein, as North-Sea fishing grounds depleted, that is!) But Mbuta would develop into the commercial backbone of the whole lake region of the three countries! He he he! Talk about manna from heaven falling into native mouths! I believe in miracles. Now I think it is the caliphate inmates who need an alternative cheap source of abundant protein –malnutrition figures available from WHO! And it would have been prudent for LIFT to be the one channelling out new –GM-- prototypes –MBUTA II, OMENA I, Nyamami redux, Mamba 101, Kamongo Manyien, Ngege mark II. Fencing off whole bays of Winam into gigantic fish-farms producing mammoth surpluses for export to the EU. Manufacturing impregnated monsters with divine nutritive value per gram. Unless of course the caliphate is a GM-free zone! (But the way I have seen breeds of sugarcane, grade cows, other seeds change over the course of time, I doubt the caliphate is GM-free area!). And last time I visited dominion in Kanyaboli polder between Alego and Yimbo at the Yalamouth, I thought the future was already there for all to see, if they have sight. NB: The Kenyan portion of the lake is a finite area. How else can it produce infinite fish without engaging into some substantive thought? That it is turning into a sewage dump in front of our eyes instead, should indicate Miguna is not off the mark totally. That the Lake Basin Development Authority –just like the Kenya Railways, Kenya Telekoms, KFA, KPCU, KCB etc etc-- has been a rotting white elephant, is not entirely Raila's fault. We all saw the clever Luos employed at LBDA drinking around, permanently parking their expensive parastatal vehicles in front of local bars and brothels, instead of doing something substantive in the lab. The result is of course a run-away hyacinth sewage swamp, dwindling fish stocks with no alternative in sight, and a competition which has exacerbated the ''customer phenomenon''. The unhealthy bond between oarsmen and female fishmongers. RUSSIA HOSPITALNow let us take a look at carcass called Russia hospital in Kisumu. It is also billed as a referral hospital bearing Jaramogi's divine name, and is attached to the local university at Maseno as the pearl of the medical faculty. Frankly it is a sorry situation. The University whose flagship it is supposed to be is apparently better at running inns for the flesh-trade than referral hospitals for trainee doctors. –--So let us count Maseno college out. Is there a caliphate educational board with eyes to see? ready to commit funds to buy expertise from wherever at an international competitive tendering? to rescue the shameful infrastructure from its pre-historic state? To model it into something worth calling a modern Hospital? Or even upgrade it into, at least, a modern morgue?! Or is it all left to the central government of the hated Saviour of Migori, Ouru Kenyatta, to once more show his magnanimity on matters health, while local governors ride around in limousines the size of the London Double-Deckers of old.  And then there is the scam of local doctors who engage in criminal rip-off schemes the result of a restricted paying clientele base. Not to mention colluding with pharmacists in a racket where poorer patients will never recover fully, either because they can not pay for the full dose, or because the ''quality of the medicine is suspect'! The pharmacists, laborants and doctors know, and, wonder of wonders, the supposedly guinea-pig stupid public also knows. This last has led to a proliferation of religious sects who reject hospitals. Immersing myself down amongst the people, I suffered a shock of discovery. NB: I was first shocked out of my mind when I first came across young men who told me they would leave it all to the Lord. Always suspecting there could be a more rational explanation than stupidity, I kept an open mind and entered their world. And then one day the sh!t came out like this from a mkokoteni pusher: ''omera these people are experimenting drugs on us!''. Yes, you never know who is fooling who in the ritual dance of social conflict and stratification. But it breads unhealthy relations, like pathological paranoia -- (read this sad report from Guinea An investigation into the rationalism of those SUSPICIONS OF FOREIGN HEALTH WORKERS may just unearth more dark issues than my ''pathological paranoia''. So beware. But, coming back to the caliphate of my heart, I am not sure whether these villains from the health and medical industry are artefacts from antiquity. Possibly they are just ordinary white collar criminals, no more than Karoli Omondi and his imported toxic maize for caliphate adherents. Just Kenyans doing what Kenyans do, and will continue doing, until the things that stop such things happen. NB: A sociological insight into the legendary hostility of Kisumu pedestrians, mkokoteni-pushers and bodabodas to limousine chauffeurs, also tells the tale of a people on two separating tectonic plates. But this is a story better told at Ideological fault-lines Luoland.
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Post by jakaswanga on Oct 3, 2014 23:27:22 GMT 3
On this thread, Njakip was naughty: jukwaa.proboards.com/thread/9193/kenyan-shailja-mochama-sexually-assaulted?page=3&scrollTo=131417Meanwhile ....somewhere "much lower Down On The Whatever Scale, far from the Salons of Spring Valley (poems, wine, little food on little sticks, "daaahling!") ...some real and very hard realities in the Real World Of Hard Realities: "Who will come to our rescue?"Nation article to read: www.nation.co.ke/lifestyle/Living/WATER-FOR-SEX-AWASI-AIDS-STDS/-/1218/2360096/-/wyfmk1/-/index.htmlShort video to watch: Perhaps when The Bum & The Poet is over and done with? (And that one is a matter of great urgency, because the sky is obviously falling down.) "Who will come to our rescue?" You were mistaken Otishotish! nonsense! those witness accounts on the ground. Taka a look at a caliphate professor setting you right! -- Barrack Abonyo. m.news24.com/kenya/MyNews24/Kisumu-County-Govt-dismisses-sex-for-water-claims-20140902 Yawa Miguna, you cannot blame Raila on this one. Here is a totally blind caliphate professor of an executive, talking from the cushions of his ksh. 15M Prado at taxpayer's sweat. That is the caliphate professor again: He has forgotten the LBDA. –-Lake Basin Development Authority, spent the water project money on Toyota Landcruisers, just the way his generation is doing on Prados. NB: If the national government had not been able to address it, does that excuse the local people? A bit of self-help? Some toilet-digging NGO from Norway perhaps? m.news24.com/kenya/MyNews24/Kisumu-County-Govt-dismisses-sex-for-water-claims-20140902 One prado, and a powerful generator complex series plus the piping system for the 5km from the river, is sorted out. And Awasi watered. I month flat job finished, if you have engineers not from KEWASCO. (Kisumu water and sewarage company!) Those ones do not know the difference between sewage and tap water. |
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Post by OtishOtish on Oct 4, 2014 0:28:27 GMT 3
Jakaswanga:
RE The Professor: I have heard it claimed that eating plenty of fish gives people plenty of brains. But there have been recent problems with some Lake Folks shitting right where they fish. (The EU has had to issue a stern warning: no shit-fed fish will be allowed in, kindly knock it off, thank you.) Do you know of any scientific studies that would shed light on how shit travels through biological systems? E.g., if it is eaten, can it enter the blood-stream and then cross the blood-brain barrier?
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Mank! It is autumn and King Winter is bearing down on Obamaland. Man Mank needs all the warmth we can send him!
, but one gets the point: there is a general malaise, stagnation, intellectual regression, cultural retardation, a stifling depression etc etc.
under Ababubakr Onyango Oloo!