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Post by b6k on Sept 8, 2014 18:58:41 GMT 3
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 8, 2014 19:41:22 GMT 3
Well, it possibly sets the stage for retaliatory equivalents as the CORD luminaries make inroads with their rallies into zoned Jubilee territories. That is the problem with these narrow stupidities. In Beirut, one can be a Shiite politician born and bred in Beirut, but never and shall never hold a rally the other side, whether in Christian, Druce or Sunni sectors. And the same for the others. And that is what they call sectarianism. The Luo Nyanza leaders aiming for national prominence in a country where Luos are just about 10% of the population better do some thinking about their allegiances to this kind of negative political dynamics.
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Post by b6k on Sept 9, 2014 9:20:42 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, to be fair it should be noted that the heckling was directed at Migori Governor Okoth Obado of PDP who does not subscribe to ODM which rules that region of the country. Ironically Obado was in Central when CS Waiguru held her "homecoming" bash (& we thought CS's were supposed to be divorced from politics!) and he along with a few other CORDists weren't heckled or jeered when they brought up the referendum at the TNA stronghold.
Indeed Ken Njiru, the Executive Director of the Uungwana Resource Institute referred to the Migori outburst as the most "primitive" political behavior that only occurs in the sole region that can be called fascist in KE due to its unwavering intolerance for those who don’t toe the regional chieftain's party line.
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Post by podp on Sept 9, 2014 9:47:53 GMT 3
The Luo Nyanza leaders aiming for national prominence in a country where Luos are just about 10% of the population better do some thinking about their allegiances to this kind of negative political dynamics. Mr Justice Johann Kriegler, who led investigations into the bungled 2007 elections, dismissed Kenya’s political parties as mere vehicles formed by politicians to achieve selfish ends. “Your political parties are nothing more than sham stalking horses for the ambitions of your politicians. Why can’t Kenyans start a political party for the common man? Do that, and you’ll be the next President,” Mr Kriegler stated. He noted that political parties in Kenya were neither managed well nor democratic. www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/-/1064/2446066/-/ymnc0e/-/index.htmlIn Summary The President directed firms to pay farmers their July and August dues since sugar prices are now favourable. The Head of State warned illegal sugar importers that the government would not tolerate unscrupulous traders. www.nation.co.ke/news/President-Uhuru-Kenyatta-Sugar-Growers-Cheque/-/1056/2446046/-/sgf0r8/-/index.htmlso while Coast inhabitants are given title deeds leading to Lamu type of violence; infrastructure development in Central; religious offerings in former Rift Valley admonishing Governors not going the line to quit and try being Independents; eating in home coming parties for former Western; and mosquito nets for Nyanza residents and hopeful plenty of condoms as HIV/AIDs is worse there as compared to North Eastern where ole Lenku is a a frequent visitor whenever ethnic violence soars
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Post by b6k on Sept 9, 2014 10:25:13 GMT 3
Podp, Kriegler also said our politics is conducted with a "19th century" tribal mindset and still has the potential of ending up in more (19th century) tribal warfare as we saw with bows & arrows and other crude weapons in the PEV of '07-'08...
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Post by Luol Deng on Sept 9, 2014 11:41:17 GMT 3
B6K,
The chaos in Migori has to be addressed seriously. I am not a Uhuru Kenyatta supporter, if his performance is anything to go by, I will never be one. But we have to separate the office from the office holder. The office deserves respect even if we profoundly disagree with the holder on fundamental issues. Whether the Obado was the real target or not is besides the point.
Now, to Ken Njiru. If the word charlatan didn't exist in the dictionary, it would have been invented for the likes of Ken Njiru. What is his claim to fame? Eti promoting uungwana instead of ushenzi? He has been a frequent visitor on Jeff Koinange Live (JKL), he initially set himself up as the impartial voice, highlighting the ills of society before proposing the correct way. He then injected himself into politics, he was pretending to attack both sides of the political divide but a keen analysis of his output would clearly indicate that he was targeting one side of the divide and offering the softest of criticisms to the other side. No prizes for guessing which side he was on. As fate would have it, the real Ken Njiru came out of the woodwork on yet another episode of JKL where he, Ngunjiri Wambugu & Jeff Koinange had a discussion on 'Tribalism in Kenya'. This was after the Mpeketoni attacks, he basically parroted the same TNA line that the violence was locally planned and that the Kikuyu were being targeted. This was before throwing barbs at the opposition, etc. Now, this was an emotive issue that was threatening to tear the country down the middle. While all signs and witness evidence pointed to an Al-Shabaab, Jubilee and the likes of Ken Njiru were having none of it. Now that the violence all points to Al-Shabaab to the extent that the president has backtracked on his earlier assertion of local political networks I wonder how the likes of Ken Njiru have any credibility.
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Post by podp on Sept 9, 2014 11:58:04 GMT 3
Podp, Kriegler also said our politics is conducted with a "19th century" tribal mindset and still has the potential of ending up in more (19th century) tribal warfare as we saw with bows & arrows and other crude weapons in the PEV of '07-'08... While “five-star Generalissimo” President Uhuru Kenyatta and Opposition leader “Private” Raila Odinga continue to divide the country with their endless blood feud, one must wonder whether any of their respective followers every pause to wonder what is in it for them. ... It is when the country is infected with an overflow of foolish sycophants owing blind fealty to some ethnic overlord that politics and everything else goes to the dogs. .... We have taken positions, not on the issues being proposed for the plebiscite, but on the direction of our ethnic overlords. www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Constitution-Referendum-Raila-Odinga-Uhuru-Kenyatta/-/440808/2445840/-/qslgl6z/-/index.html
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Post by omundustrong on Sept 9, 2014 14:52:40 GMT 3
The heckling and shoe throwing in Migori was not directed at the Governor but to the President,i will give an analogy of someone coming in your house and beating up your child in your presence.Whatever mistake the child has done,the norm is to report to the parent and wait for the parent to take action,but not in Luo Nyanza where disgust,disagreements differences are sorted there and then,in the absence of stones any missile available including shoes comes in handy!For me the worry is that that those who threw shoes at the perceived enemy may have thrown the only pair of shoe they had.
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 9, 2014 19:21:40 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, to be fair it should be noted that the heckling was directed at Migori Governor Okoth Obado of PDP who does not subscribe to ODM which rules that region of the country. Ironically Obado was in Central when CS Waiguru held her "homecoming" bash (& we thought CS's were supposed to be divorced from politics!) and he along with a few other CORDists weren't heckled or jeered when they brought up the referendum at the TNA stronghold. Indeed Ken Njiru, the Executive Director of the Uungwana Resource Institute referred to the Migori outburst as the most "primitive" political behavior that only occurs in the sole region that can be called fascist in KE due to its unwavering intolerance for those who don’t toe the regional chieftain's party line.b6k, was it you who once loudly lamented what it is that happened to standards with these 8-4-4 protoypes? -you and I are of course vintage GCE material, original genuines! Now, t his Ken Njiru should not be director of anything, not even of disinformation department, since he makes it too easy to kick his lying teeth in. Let us re-read his import: the most "primitive" political behavior that only occurs in the sole region that can be called fascist in KE due to its unwavering intolerance for those who don’t toe the regional chieftain's party lineNow let us jog his memory with this: that is just one, randomly searchable on the net. I came up with more similar hits than I have time to relay. allafrica.com/stories/201302221436.html Now, let us re-valuate: ONLY OCCURS IN THE SOLE REGION! Fwaka did not check his facts, nor the history of his country. neither did the editors at the nation. but as you said ealier in the Shebesh-slap -Kidero thread, 8-4-4! a dog's carriculum!
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Post by b6k on Sept 10, 2014 16:15:17 GMT 3
Luol Deng, I haven't watched Njiru's appearances on JKL but I'll make a point of looking for them online. So he's not the mungwana he portrays himself to be? That's not surprising given that many of the "talking heads" you see on TV are usually attracted to politics once a vacancy arises.
Jakaswanga, how astute of you to look for examples that show CP does have its very own examples of intolerance. Allow me to play the devil's advocate and say that deplorable as the example you posted of ODM foot soldiers being stoned while visiting the TNA zone before RAO's visit there, it pales in comparison with the rowdy reception visited upon UK at Migori as Head of State. The local ODM reps made a hasty retreat (& their principal was not there) when attacked but had a missile landed on or near the president, I hate to imagine the kind of arsenal the security detail would've unleashed on those rambunctious youths (and innocent rally attendees caught in the melee). Also seeing as we have a Kikuyu president who would've been attacked in what is perceived as a Luo zone, there's no telling how that would've played out thereafter in subsequent protests elsewhere. As I said earlier at least cool heads prevailed in this case & thank God for ICC...
Going forward, the area youths who want to protest can try other means that are less disruptive but can make a point. Having watched video footage of the fracas it was clear that the youths, sponsored or not, had occupied the very front rows just after the dias. Instead of chanting ODM slogans & jumping about, why not hold a silent protest instead? This could've been accomplished by standing up and giving their backs to Obado (or Uhuru if he was the target of their ire) when he rose to speak? Better this than the rowdy, near violent disruptions that are being characterized as being the norm in a "certain region". Just a thought...
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 10, 2014 20:43:13 GMT 3
Luol Deng, I haven't watched Njiru's appearances on JKL but I'll make a point of looking for them online. So he's not the mungwana he portrays himself to be? That's not surprising given that many of the "talking heads" you see on TV are usually attracted to politics once a vacancy arises. Jakaswanga, how astute of you to look for examples that show CP does have its very own examples of intolerance. Allow me to play the devil's advocate and say that deplorable as the example you posted of ODM foot soldiers being stoned while visiting the TNA zone before RAO's visit there, it pales in comparison with the rowdy reception visited upon UK at Migori as Head of State. The local ODM reps made a hasty retreat (& their principal was not there) when attacked but had a missile landed on or near the president, I hate to imagine the kind of arsenal the security detail would've unleashed on those rambunctious youths (and innocent rally attendees caught in the melee). Also seeing as we have a Kikuyu president who would've been attacked in what is perceived as a Luo zone, there's no telling how that would've played out thereafter in subsequent protests elsewhere. As I said earlier at least cool heads prevailed in this case & thank God for ICC... Going forward, the area youths who want to protest can try other means that are less disruptive but can make a point. Having watched video footage of the fracas it was clear that the youths, sponsored or not, had occupied the very front rows just after the dias. Instead of chanting ODM slogans & jumping about, why not hold a silent protest instead? This could've been accomplished by standing up and giving their backs to Obado (or Uhuru if he was the target of their ire) when he rose to speak? Better this than the rowdy, near violent disruptions that are being characterized as being the norm in a "certain region". Just a thought... Good thinking, we need to style up on a lot of fronts. --Both 'we-s' I mean! This heckling of the President of the republic of Kenya at Migori, seems to have generated a consensus amongst us the chattering classes –-a consensus of condemnation, a consensus of disgust at and, yes, an inferiorisation of the perpetrators: (billing them as political 'osus' or pariahs, or inmates of a leper caliphate colony best quarantined. These were youths, either in mercenary roles as hirelings, or possibly in autonomous protest action. The police are investigating a ksh. 60K Mpesa transaction! by a local MPig. If Nyanza goons come that cheap, there must be other motivations apart from the cash, meseems in this instance. You do not pay people that little to stand upfront in a line of fire. They all know the presidential guard is armed and licensed to kill if Prezzo is endangered in their estimation. So there is something deeper here which made them dare the Men-in-Black form the other side ! (presidential security details) NB: (For money, rationaly speaking, it would be easier for these youths in the sense of less risky, to engage in common robbery to earn more, or at least risk death for heavier sums like their agemates mowed down by police bullets on shoot-to-kill robbers watch daily)but that NB aside .. MY point is, taking leaf from the rogue b6k who, before an affirmative, has already usurped for himself the permission to play devil's advocate, I will now proceed to interrogate the MORAL LEVEL of the political class bearing down on the goons of Nyanza! Now, get me correct, I do not mind pots calling kettles black. What I do, is insist it is done with a wink. For example. Suppose I and my brother in law Omwenga, both of us respectable pillars of the society with reputations to keep up --as you b6k will testify on short notice, met by chance cab-crawling at Koinange street and showing interest in the same mechandise for the evening. Would it not be more sensible for both of us to wax less irate about the immorality of the other? Would it not be the better course, if we curtly acknowledged one another, before scurrying off in a mixture of embarrassment and stiff humour? Perhaps keeping it between us and exchanging knowing glances whenever we meet? Disclaimer: the above Koinange anecdote is merely a hypothetical example, and should be taken at face value, Oyominto. Respect is duly earned. Demanding respect on the ''audacity'' of the auspices of an office is not always historically feasible. Which respect has the presidency of Kenya earned, lately? ---The presidency wired anglo-leasing compensation abroad in a very fishy deal ---The presidency ordered a ship destroyed with cargo, violating a court order---The presidency is occupied by an indictee to the ICC. (Agreed the ICC is incompetent and should not be taken seriously any longer). ---The presidency is occupied by the former minister of Errors at Finance ---The presidency has not been able to arrest graft, and looks parochial ----The Presidency behaved despicably soon after the Mpeketoni attacks. ----The presidency, but may be merely overzealous adjutants, is perceived to have bullied the Kalifa too much on petty issues –like airport lavatories, bodyguards, official cars, pensions! And intimidating Macharia to suspend live coverage of some baba activities like Sabasaba! Then you are asking for it! And now the suddenly very politically correct chorus of condemnations from the caliphate elite! Evans Kidero the Nairobi CEO qualified the altercation as ''archaic, barbaric and uncivilised!'' I agree, but Kidero is too ''picky''. I did not here him when the other Men In Black broke up Kisarani. An event which I think matches the above choice adjectives. When Raphael Tuju was stoned in Kisumu years ago, the caliphate nobility was tongue-tied in the rule. And then, is this not the political class of Mpigs? Are these not the lowly creatures who, considering the rankings of Transparency International ...136/177.. have a conscience and a moral aptitude far beneath a common law shoe-throwing Gor Mahia-fan-Nyanza goon or hooligan? When a man of low morals exhibits in vehemence, a moral outrage at another without a wink, he is just a sordid fool. This was a storm in a tea cup! NB: Ouru Kenyatta comes to Migori county bearing mosquito nets –please leave that to some NGO like DANIDA, just like funding the digging of pit latrines around the caliphate's fishy shores!!? And His Excellency has no position paper on the annexed Migingo island!? And he is the president taken oath of office to watch over our territory!? Come on! Such negligence from a commander in chief deserves a well-aimed shoe! NB: A ugandan anecdote about Migingo, featuring M7 and Kagame looking at an ankole longhorn heaping dung. --Later.
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Post by b6k on Sept 10, 2014 21:13:04 GMT 3
Just watched MP Omondi Anyanga denying allegations that he sent the MPESA transaction to the thugs.
Question. Where is RAO? He's gone uncharacteristically quiet. Was the caliph wrong-footed on this one?
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Post by Fahari on Sept 11, 2014 20:05:46 GMT 3
Hate to disappoint you but Ken Njiru is no 844 he is old school kabisa. Just taken his cue from the likes of Maina Kiai and joined the NGO gravy train(rofl) Now, its true once in a while our peeps from the slopes succumb to stone throwing paroxysms however, I would appreciate examples if any, where Raila, as prime minister, was heckled or stoned and the reaction from MK leaders. I hate to imagine whats going to happen in the run up to the referendum where the other side hopes to visit hostile regions to drum up support. b6kThe CS homecoming nonsense was aimed at Karua the media has touted her development record but the roads in that area suggested otherwise so did the speakers. Those gichugu roads were a disaster! It appears that the reign of queen Martha is over its time for queen Ann Jakaswanga, to be fair it should be noted that the heckling was directed at Migori Goverr Okoth Obado of PDP who does not subscribe to ODM which rules that region of the country. Ironically Obado was in Central when CS Waiguru held her "homecoming" bash (& we thought CS's were supposed to be divorced from politics!) and he along with a few other CORDists weren't heckled or jeered when they brought up the referendum at the TNA stronghold. Indeed Ken Njiru, the Executive Director of the Uungwana Resource Institute referred to the Migori outburst as the most "primitive" political behavior that only occurs in the sole region that can be called fascist in KE due to its unwavering intolerance for those who don’t toe the regional chieftain's party line.b6k, was it you who once loudly lamented what it is that happened to standards with these 8-4-4 protoypes? -you and I are of course vintage GCE material, original genuines! Now, t his Ken Njiru should not be director of anything, not even of disinformation department, since he makes it too easy to kick his lying teeth in. Let us re-read his import: the most "primitive" political behavior that only occurs in the sole region that can be called fascist in KE due to its unwavering intolerance for those who don’t toe the regional chieftain's party lineNow let us jog his memory with this: that is just one, randomly searchable on the net. I came up with more similar hits than I have time to relay. allafrica.com/stories/201302221436.html Now, let us re-valuate: ONLY OCCURS IN THE SOLE REGION! Fwaka did not check his facts, nor the history of his country. neither did the editors at the nation. but as you said ealier in the Shebesh-slap -Kidero thread, 8-4-4! a dog's carriculum!
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Post by mank on Sept 11, 2014 22:52:47 GMT 3
I got the impression that someone or a bunch of them might have thought an event reminiscent of that 1969 heckling and stoning was worth aa place in history now that we have another Kenyatta and another Odinga in political battles. Unfortunately for them this time Kenyatta acted as a 21st Century president. He resisted unleashing the red barrets as was the oops 20th Century unfolding - which the orchestrators most likely wanted to repeat so we could have another round of complaints about an iron-armed president. These clowns gave him clout when the idea was to take it away. We should have no room for such nonsense!
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Post by b6k on Sept 12, 2014 7:17:16 GMT 3
Fahari, no doubt GEMA intolerance will be tested today as Raila takes his signature tour to Meru & Embu.
As for Anne Waiguru, it's really disturbing if the whole homecoming & roads complaints were a ploy to embarrass Karua. The way Anne is going I bet you she'll end up gunning for governor someday which is a pity because our CS's shouldn't play politics.
I agree with you that Martha Karua is dead in the water. I predict that once the ICC cases get buried, Karua will be left holding the "I-stitched-Ruto-up" bag. It doesn't help her cause at all that she's cozying up to Agwambo's Okoa Kenya musings yet in 2008 she had evidence that his party was behind the ethnic cleansing in RVP's killing fields.
Mank, the '69 shootings occurred in the 20th century. Uhuru's handling of the Migori heckling was very curious. I'd really like to see full footage of the entire rally, unabridged, because to me he seemed to be too comfortable and calm in a situation that would've made anyone panic. I can't rule out a Wanyee style false flag op at this point...
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Post by mank on Sept 12, 2014 15:07:01 GMT 3
...Mank, the '69 shootings occurred in the 20th century. Of course amigo, 1969 was in 20th century ... had to be so if today we are in 21st ... . I had 2 expressions in mind and missed to correct the numeral when I settled for the one I wrote. Uhuru's handling of the Migori heckling was very curious. I'd really like to see full footage of the entire rally, unabridged, because to me he seemed to be too comfortable and calm in a situation that would've made anyone panic. I can't rule out a Wanyee style false flag op at this point... I see where your are going, and was indeed equally surprised by his calmness. But I don't think staging such monkey business would have been worth the risk, so I don't think such false flag op is likely - one would have to be very confident of his ability to control fire before torching his house in a false flag op, unless of course he doesn't mind losing the house. How would anybody have known the extent to which idlers not in the false flag op would join in the heckling, and for what objective really would such an an op be? In my view his reaction earns him high marks. We always ask for leadership - I think it would be too mean of us to refuse to acknowledge it in the few opportunities that it shows up.
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Post by b6k on Sept 12, 2014 16:26:35 GMT 3
Mank, that's just yours truly thinking outside the box. The contrast between the 20th & 21st century security detail reaction & the one secured is just too glaring. NIS has been getting a lot of criticism for not advising Uhuru to avoid Migori because they ought to have known that some MP would be hiring goons to heckle the governor, or even himself. Others have been arguing that the NIS has lost its mojo because it hires MBA's who wouldn't be caught dead seeking intelligence the old fashioned way...by living amongst the hoi polloi and quietly gathering 411. If it can't be done without some hi-tech, metadata harvesting gadget they won't get it.
That's why I figured there could be a third option. Hire a few goons by proxy to do what they believe is the "right thing" for the right "boss", only to control the situation and use it against them. After all, it is said that the mighty Mossad often recruits youths who believe they are working for one cause without them realizing that the end game actually favors Israel.
Anyway, conspiracy theory hat off and now back to reality. If indeed Uhuru calmly handled a hostile ODM crowd as he did, he either has huge brass ones or supreme confidence in his security detail (which in the age of Uzis may not be too far from the truth).
You know the last time I saw the leader of a political faction in similar circumstances, he was trying very hard to hide himself insude a very small hat he was wearing before his security detail covered him with their bodies and he sheepishly grinned when he realized a camera was on him. Oh yeah...that was back in the 20th century...
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 12, 2014 21:20:42 GMT 3
Appreciated! were you to confess you happy to dissappoint me, I would take it personal and that is when Amigo Mank would face the full force of my ire on that account! Ken Njiru may not be 844, but he dangerously sounds like one: Take this statement. due to its unwavering intolerance for those who don’t toe the regional chieftain's party lineIs this not the region that booed the alleged chieftain after he tried to impose his cronies during the ODM primaries? that is very far from unwavering intolerance. That, like the HomaBay day, was a body cheque on the caliph.Ken needs to take care with his logic when making sweeping statements! NB: Raila you know has a different stature at the slopes. He toshad Kibaki and there are those who remember that not without a token of appreciation, ---just like in the old days when Kenyatta senior wanted to destroy Odinga senior completely, some of his saner Kikuyus repremanded him: this is the man who insisted on Uhuru na Kenyatta instead of moving on without you, Jomo; stay your rage!Such institutionalised memories have to be erased totally first, before Raila in person is stoned at the slopes! soon, i am afraid, with this 8-4-4 prototypes rising to positions of management and power! Queen Anne? eh? you people want me to change loyalties from my Martha to the new girl on the block? Hate to disappoint you but Ken Njiru is no 844 he is old school kabisa. Just taken his cue from the likes of Maina Kiai and joined the NGO gravy train(rofl) Now, its true once in a while our peeps from the slopes succumb to stone throwing paroxysms however, I would appreciate examples if any, where Raila, as prime minister, was heckled or stoned and the reaction from MK leaders. I hate to imagine whats going to happen in the run up to the referendum where the other side hopes to visit hostile regions to drum up support. b6kThe CS homecoming nonsense was aimed at Karua the media has touted her development record but the roads in that area suggested otherwise so did the speakers. Those gichugu roads were a disaster! It appears that the reign of queen Martha is over its time for queen Ann b6k, was it you who once loudly lamented what it is that happened to standards with these 8-4-4 protoypes? -you and I are of course vintage GCE material, original genuines! Now, t his Ken Njiru should not be director of anything, not even of disinformation department, since he makes it too easy to kick his lying teeth in. Let us re-read his import: the most "primitive" political behavior that only occurs in the sole region that can be called fascist in KE due to its unwavering intolerance for those who don’t toe the regional chieftain's party lineNow let us jog his memory with this: that is just one, randomly searchable on the net. I came up with more similar hits than I have time to relay. allafrica.com/stories/201302221436.html Now, let us re-valuate: ONLY OCCURS IN THE SOLE REGION! Fwaka did not check his facts, nor the history of his country. neither did the editors at the nation. but as you said ealier in the Shebesh-slap -Kidero thread, 8-4-4! a dog's carriculum!
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Post by mank on Sept 13, 2014 1:56:31 GMT 3
Appreciated! were you to confess you happy to dissappoint me, I would take it personal and that is when Amigo Mank would face the full force of my ire on that account! Oops, what did I do now amigo? I think it is amigo B6K we need to worry about .... I have seen him sliding into the world of the fox.
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 13, 2014 10:23:45 GMT 3
Appreciated! were you to confess you happy to dissappoint me, I would take it personal and that is when Amigo Mank would face the full force of my ire on that account! Oops, what did I do now amigo? I think it is amigo B6K we need to worry about .... I have seen him sliding into the world of the fox. see your inbox amigo. I do not like this amnesia on your part! it could mean you are still waiting for a second shipment! Aah, the devil's advocate b6k! where is Njakip to deal with him!?
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Post by podp on Sept 13, 2014 11:58:33 GMT 3
In Summary The President choreographed a trip to Migori through the likes of Dalmas Otieno while avoiding those who currently enjoy avid support in the region. Aden Duale went the full extent to claim this was the work of Raila Odinga, implying that the Luo remain an unthinking lot remote-controlled by Odinga. Whatever grievances those protesting had, it had nothing to do with all who were inconvenienced. In spite of the horrible consequences the Thika Road rioting, it was not named primitive. www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Riddled-with-double-standards/-/440808/2450890/-/3u8ghbz/-/index.html
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Post by b6k on Sept 14, 2014 8:34:49 GMT 3
Indeed, Podp. Lawlessness should be condemned wherever it emanates from. In fact I would advocate for those who block roads during riots be they at Thika Rd or Mombasa Rd (feuds between Mutua & Muthama factions) should be charged with disrupting the economy and face stiff fines &/or imprisonment... Meanwhile here is Koigi's take on the chances of a Raila presidency post MiB (s)elections and Migori chaos: Migori's Mayhem Disqualifies Raila From Kenya's Presidency Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 00:00 -- BY KOIGI WA WAMWERE Migori is Raila’s political backyard and those who heckled President Uhuru and the governor of Migori were supporters of Raila and ODM. To the extent that the buck for the political misdeeds of ODM supporters stops at Raila’s political doorstep, they disqualify him from being the next president of Kenya. If political leaders don’t take responsibility for hooliganism of their supporters, political chaos will not cease. Clearly, Migori mayhem was planned in a big scale, not spontaneous and unleashed by the same hired and transported men-in-black who disrupted ODM elections at Kasarani, and whom Raila never condemned. Contrary to denials by some Nyanza MPs, the heckling and shoe-throwing was against President Uhuru, governor of Migori and freedom of expression, to the probable benefit of Raila Odinga. Ordinarily, freedom of expression is denied by government but in the case of Migori, it was denied by opposition, making me wonder without condoning the losses of life involved, whether this is what happened in Kisumu in 1969 when heckling disrupted President Kenyatta’s speech and presidential bodyguards killed many people in the rowdy crowd. Recently, we warned against re-enacting Saba Saba rallies to achieve individual political ends. Unheeded, it now looks like the Migori rally was also an attempt to re-enact the Kisumu massacre for political ends. Luckily both President Uhuru and police held their cool and nobody was hurt. Because Raila was not physically present at the Migori rally, it seems the meeting was disrupted to embarrass the President and his local supporters, because he dared to have a meeting in Nyanza without Raila’s permission or presence. Regarding consequences of police firing on the crowd to protect President Uhuru, I am forced to redefine Raila according to the gospel of his father, Jaramogi Oginga Odinga who had two Jomo Kenyattas. One, a freedom fighter and his hero whose picture he hung on the wall of his Kisumu house and the other, a President he fell out with and regarded a betrayer of independence. Like Kenyatta, Raila has double political identity. Raila, the hero who suffered detention for 8 years fighting for second liberation, and Raila the reckless adventurist that will burn Kenya to get power. Accordingly, two things seem wrong with Raila’s politics. He pursues power for self-gratification – not for public good – and in pursuit of that power, the end justifies the means, which includes armed struggle that should only be resorted to, to overthrow tyranny. In rejecting political violence, it should never be forgotten how Adolf Hitler misused democracy and later German youths as goons to coerce German people into submission, attack and kill Jews in the Holocaust. Whenever I see youths behaving like goons, morons and automatons in rallies, I don’t see democracy. I see Nazi Youths, Hutu Interahamwe and Kanu Youth Wings. The Migori mayhem seems to be part of a programme of terrorising Nyanza into political submission. Recently, men-in-black were unleashed at Kasarani to disrupt ODM party elections. Violence galore was also visited upon Professor Anyang Nyong’o and Mwandawiro Mghanga to stop SDP taking root in Nyanza. Recently, we saw Anyang’ Nyong’o stopped from holding a Constituency Development Board meeting by a group of goons acting with incredible impunity. Truth of the matter is, whoever uses force to get power abandons democracy and ends up a dictator. But when fire burns too high, it loses meat. Since Raila came back from America, he has exhibited an unsettling ambition for power. He started by demanding a national dialogue with the government. Then he called for a Saba Saba rally. At Uhuru Park, he launched a campaign for a referendum. Yet at Migori, Raila supporters disrupt a rally by those who would say no to a referendum. But a referendum is impossible without freedom of expression. Indeed, without free expression, ODM is calling for war, not referendum. Raila’s means of reaching power also include negative ethnicity by pitting communities against one another. Fortunately, anybody who divides to rule loses the right to govern. Through negative ethnicity and goons whom the government seems unable to handle, Raila wants to terrorise Kenya as he has terrorised Nyanza. While MRC shouts Pwani si Kenya, ODM wants to shout Nyanza si Kenya. Tragically, the genesis of the Migori mayhem was Kibaki’s acquiescence that he should not visit Nyanza without Raila. At Migori, however, President Uhuru must have keenly felt that Raila was trying to put him into the Kibaki box by disrupting his meeting. That must have been the reason why Uhuru insisted that he would return to Migori again and again. By going to Migori without Raila, Uhuru was challenging Raila to stop him going to Nyanza without him. And by disrupting Uhuru’s rally, Raila supporters were counterchallenging Uhuru to visit Nyanza again without Raila. Will Uhuru like Kibaki acquiesce or dare visit Nyanza again without Raila? When President Jomo Kenyatta visited Nyanza without the permission of Jaramogi, and presidential bodyguards killed people in Kisumu, Kenyatta died without going back to Luo Nyanza. Yet a presidency that is barred from visiting any part of the country must either overcome its barrier or resign because it cannot protect the entire nation as it should. Just like every Kenyan, Raila must be able to address meetings everywhere in the land and his supporters must retreat from challenging the President’s right to visit any part of Kenya without seeking anybody’s permission. Otherwise, Kenya will burn and disintegrate. www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-189876/migoris-mayhem-disqualifies-raila-kenyas-presidency
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Post by b6k on Sept 14, 2014 9:16:24 GMT 3
Aah, the devil's advocate b6k! where is Njakip to deal with him!? Njakip patrols the "toilet mouths(ed)" forums where he still contributes as Moonki where matusi abound. At Jukwaa where one has to defend positions with as much brutal tenacity as the US forces at Hamburger Hill did back in 'Nam yet somehow remain politically correct, he may find he lacks the stomach, the ammunition, or the necessary guile to fight a losing battle...
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 14, 2014 11:13:15 GMT 3
Indeed, Podp. Lawlessness should be condemned wherever it emanates from. In fact I would advocate for those who block roads during riots be they at Thika Rd or Mombasa Rd (feuds between Mutua & Muthama factions) should be charged with disrupting the economy and face stiff fines &/or imprisonment... Meanwhile here is Koigi's take on the chances of a Raila presidency post MiB (s)elections and Migori chaos: Migori's Mayhem Disqualifies Raila From Kenya's Presidency Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 00:00 -- BY KOIGI WA WAMWERE Migori is Raila’s political backyard and those who heckled President Uhuru and the governor of Migori were supporters of Raila and ODM. To the extent that the buck for the political misdeeds of ODM supporters stops at Raila’s political doorstep, they disqualify him from being the next president of Kenya. If political leaders don’t take responsibility for hooliganism of their supporters, political chaos will not cease. Clearly, Migori mayhem was planned in a big scale, not spontaneous and unleashed by the same hired and transported men-in-black who disrupted ODM elections at Kasarani, and whom Raila never condemned. Contrary to denials by some Nyanza MPs, the heckling and shoe-throwing was against President Uhuru, governor of Migori and freedom of expression, to the probable benefit of Raila Odinga. Ordinarily, freedom of expression is denied by government but in the case of Migori, it was denied by opposition, making me wonder without condoning the losses of life involved, whether this is what happened in Kisumu in 1969 when heckling disrupted President Kenyatta’s speech and presidential bodyguards killed many people in the rowdy crowd. Recently, we warned against re-enacting Saba Saba rallies to achieve individual political ends. Unheeded, it now looks like the Migori rally was also an attempt to re-enact the Kisumu massacre for political ends. Luckily both President Uhuru and police held their cool and nobody was hurt. Because Raila was not physically present at the Migori rally, it seems the meeting was disrupted to embarrass the President and his local supporters, because he dared to have a meeting in Nyanza without Raila’s permission or presence. Regarding consequences of police firing on the crowd to protect President Uhuru, I am forced to redefine Raila according to the gospel of his father, Jaramogi Oginga Odinga who had two Jomo Kenyattas. One, a freedom fighter and his hero whose picture he hung on the wall of his Kisumu house and the other, a President he fell out with and regarded a betrayer of independence. Like Kenyatta, Raila has double political identity. Raila, the hero who suffered detention for 8 years fighting for second liberation, and Raila the reckless adventurist that will burn Kenya to get power. Accordingly, two things seem wrong with Raila’s politics. He pursues power for self-gratification – not for public good – and in pursuit of that power, the end justifies the means, which includes armed struggle that should only be resorted to, to overthrow tyranny. In rejecting political violence, it should never be forgotten how Adolf Hitler misused democracy and later German youths as goons to coerce German people into submission, attack and kill Jews in the Holocaust. Whenever I see youths behaving like goons, morons and automatons in rallies, I don’t see democracy. I see Nazi Youths, Hutu Interahamwe and Kanu Youth Wings. The Migori mayhem seems to be part of a programme of terrorising Nyanza into political submission. Recently, men-in-black were unleashed at Kasarani to disrupt ODM party elections. Violence galore was also visited upon Professor Anyang Nyong’o and Mwandawiro Mghanga to stop SDP taking root in Nyanza. Recently, we saw Anyang’ Nyong’o stopped from holding a Constituency Development Board meeting by a group of goons acting with incredible impunity. Truth of the matter is, whoever uses force to get power abandons democracy and ends up a dictator. But when fire burns too high, it loses meat. Since Raila came back from America, he has exhibited an unsettling ambition for power. He started by demanding a national dialogue with the government. Then he called for a Saba Saba rally. At Uhuru Park, he launched a campaign for a referendum. Yet at Migori, Raila supporters disrupt a rally by those who would say no to a referendum. But a referendum is impossible without freedom of expression. Indeed, without free expression, ODM is calling for war, not referendum. Raila’s means of reaching power also include negative ethnicity by pitting communities against one another. Fortunately, anybody who divides to rule loses the right to govern. Through negative ethnicity and goons whom the government seems unable to handle, Raila wants to terrorise Kenya as he has terrorised Nyanza. While MRC shouts Pwani si Kenya, ODM wants to shout Nyanza si Kenya. Tragically, the genesis of the Migori mayhem was Kibaki’s acquiescence that he should not visit Nyanza without Raila. At Migori, however, President Uhuru must have keenly felt that Raila was trying to put him into the Kibaki box by disrupting his meeting. That must have been the reason why Uhuru insisted that he would return to Migori again and again. By going to Migori without Raila, Uhuru was challenging Raila to stop him going to Nyanza without him. And by disrupting Uhuru’s rally, Raila supporters were counterchallenging Uhuru to visit Nyanza again without Raila. Will Uhuru like Kibaki acquiesce or dare visit Nyanza again without Raila? When President Jomo Kenyatta visited Nyanza without the permission of Jaramogi, and presidential bodyguards killed people in Kisumu, Kenyatta died without going back to Luo Nyanza. Yet a presidency that is barred from visiting any part of the country must either overcome its barrier or resign because it cannot protect the entire nation as it should. Just like every Kenyan, Raila must be able to address meetings everywhere in the land and his supporters must retreat from challenging the President’s right to visit any part of Kenya without seeking anybody’s permission. Otherwise, Kenya will burn and disintegrate. www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-189876/migoris-mayhem-disqualifies-raila-kenyas-presidency The Kenya lumpen are pre-occupying national debate space these days. Let us take a quick considered look at them. Let us visit the figures of youth unemployment, expectations, conditions of life, and find out if, like Africa in general, they are rising. Rising here means marching resolutely into a bright tomorrow. Jobs and all, for school leavers. However, if we can discern a general state of squalor amongst hordes of youth, and lowered, pessimistic out looks inspite of the oil find, we would need to readjust our narrative of Africa rising and ponder the following. [/i] [/quote] what happens to this sad lot, in the main? –-Demagogues and fascists of various stripes find a base .. etc etc. What can the comprador bourgeoisie offer the lumpenproletariat? The first question probably should be: what can the comprador bourgeoisie of Kenya offer the KENYAN WORKERS!? LOOKING At the general structural labour unrest –-repetitive teachers strikes, doctors and nurses, complaints about price and tax indices for the working, it would appear the Kenyan elite have their hands full, taking care of the formally WORKING, leave alone the NON WORKING, or the informal hand to mouth economy of the jua-kalis. DEMOGRAPHIC BALANCE.But politics is a game of numbers. And under conditions of social instability, social inequality (this is a measurable variable and there are league tables), politics will tend to have a thuggish component, and the lumpenproletariat will be a willing football, mercenary. RAILA'S ALLIANCE WITH THE CORDED LUMPENPROLETARIAT, is just the one on the spotlight now. But it is not an exception. (''Demagogues of various stripes/ tribes'' are in this game! In Kenya.) Koigi Wamwere implicates Raila organised and sanctioned the Migori goons. Now I do not think Raila would be that stupid, to cordon off Nyanza when he himself is currently a busy bee taking his referendum banner to ''hostile territories'' as Fahari crypts ! Koigi Wamwere in a main message says the Migori melee disqualified Raila from the presidency of Kenya. I do not agree. Koigi is going fishy in the head. The presidency of Kenya, once CHAPTER SIX OR THE INTEGRITY CLAUSE WAS MURDERED in a process I remember well, became a junkyard and a scumbag's fest! –-Canadian lawyers like Miguna and Canadian Judges like Mutunga amongst others, disqualified themselves from authoring a BINDING opinion on the level of DIGNITY/INTEGRITY demanded of the occupier of that office.– -I will include the Jukwaa archives in a later edit. THIS IS NOW BEEEN DONEjukwaa.proboards.com/thread/6891/comes-cj-on-integrity-chapter From then I understood the fire had been stolen out of the thunder of the New constitution. Hygiene no longer mattered. I must have posted somewhere the second liberation came still born. I posted on this blog too, that I thought only Kalonzo Musyoka would pass the integrity test. Just the Ndung'u report, leaving alone Anglo-leasing and Goldenberg explosives, would sink them all. And the ICC indictment? Phew, no such thing as an Uhuruto candidacy. No, Kenya was not ready for that level of severity with respect to the pre-selection of top office bearers. So the presidency became a free for all. A street crack-wh-ore of disappeared dignity. That kind of decision tends to boomerang. To argue today, that the Migori shoe-throwing at the Muthamaki disqualifies the zone's Caliph from the Presidency of Kenya, is to argue public masturbation disqualifies one from being a porno star. I think Koigi Wamwere is confused, parochial and disingenuous. The caliphate needs bomb runs methinks, but the bombs better not be dummies. Dummies will bounce off the iron dome! Lilliputian darts at a Gulliver overcoat. Many, also outside the caliphate, suspect men at the top are just scared of Raila. That the elections were rigged twice because of fear. When opponents can not convince the people FEAR is neither their motive nor defining political logic, they will always be ridiculous. Because the people wink: balls, Raila's balls and the fire in them, unsettles the maleness of these guys.As Otishotish used to say, this is Africa. That means the word ''sissy'' has a very disqualifying ring. My brother who is ODM-damu puts it to me like this whenever I irritate him. –-Raila is bad, we all know that. But a man with balls is still better than a good ''sissy man''! It is a steep psychological challenge to surmount by propaganda. (my brother also has a habit of telling me, even if you love women from the slopes, you should not adopt the sissy-hatred of their brothers for Raila's balls!).What is it really that disqualifies Raila from the presidency? Age? See a recent bill. Uncut, see an earlier argument. Socialist sympathies, see a rumour long ago. Thug hero!? Yeah! Thie ;)f? No? Blanket Luo control? Hmmm! That market needs opening up! Too closed! But look at what Kriegler says: they are tribal kingdoms there, pretending to be nation Kenya.
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 14, 2014 17:01:44 GMT 3
INTEGRITY BILL, KOIGI, CHAPTER SIX! where were you? Aah, I went to this political cafe where the Scotland referendum was on the menu. I am a friend of Scotland. I went to school there. I am ex British, I speak English, the first colonial DC of Nyanza was a Scot. And quite a number of Kenyan colonial governors. And I love scotch, not shaken or stirred, but, in line with tutorials from the Irish tutor, steaming, served on the curved bellies of upturned Scottish women. Still, as the friends of Scotland and Scotch and Scottish women discussed the prospect of the Great United Kingdom Union breaking up, my attention was divided on the laptop, trying to ferret out the archives where the discussions Jukwaa had on INTEGRITY lie buried. I had said in the morning Koigi Wamwere in using the Migori melee as red card for a Raila presidency was disingenuous and parochial. And I felt robo saa would be enough to fwaka it off. Here is the result.Look at the adventures of that sorry panel of judges before the VETTING COMMISSION! let he who is without sin cast the first rock, said Jesus, and the mob dispersed! Malkia of Jukwaa had an extraordinary insight. Watch my late brother Einstein absorbing the full import instinctively. jukwaa.proboards.com/thread/7272?page=1I think the Leadership and Integrity Bill is the line in the sand for the Constitution of Kenya 2010. If we allow this bill, and the provisions in Chapter 6, to be watered down to the extent that our current calibre of politicians can run then we should be prepared for a full fledged frontal attack on other provisions of the Constitution. This isn't about Uhuru, Ruto, RAO, Mudavadi or anyone running today, it is about whether we will be a republic, one ruled by law and not by an elite that it is completely above the law. I am shocked how much we seem to be treating this as business as usual, we have illegally appointed County Commissioners, an unreformed Police Force and now the anti- reformists/ status quoists are taking aim at the Judiciary. Many of us have said that 2012, now 2013, would be a watershed election, perhaps our mistake was/is in thinking the battle would mirror the 2007/8 PEV, i.e. post election. It would seem a decision has been made that the battle will be before the election, the election will be a fait accompli. The particularly dangerous thing in my view is that this case may have the unintended consequence of bringing together people who are currently foes, because any presidential candidate with alleged integrity issues (especially corruption and political violence allegations) will work jointly with Uhuru and Ruto to ensure the dilution of Chapter 6 and Leadership and Integrity Bill, whether they are enjoined in this case or not. Malkia,Do not worry about Chapter 6 and Leadership and Integrity Bill. Charles Nyachae and co wako macho. I read somewhere that he plans to go to court should President Kibaki sign into law the watered-down bill on Leadership and Integrity. But I cannot get my hands on that link right now. Maybe someone can get it for the board. aND TAKe a look for more on the NATIONAL OUTCRY THEN.[/quote] jukwaa.proboards.com/thread/7273?page=1 So, let me go look for stronger terms to diss Koigi. I been drinking! only four letter ones are at hand.
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