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Post by jesse on Dec 4, 2014 19:21:06 GMT 3
That (Rtd) General Joseph Nkaissery is a serious mind on national security is certain.
For detailed work on the background to and the conduct of the Ogaden war, no less than Kenya’s Truth, Justice and Reconciliation Commission (TJRC) recommends in the second volume of its final report that readers see his work, The Ogaden War: an analysis and its impact on regional peace on the horn of Africa.
That the Kajiado Central MP will soon be anointed the Cabinet Secretary for the Interior is now also no longer in doubt; fellow legislators and media outlets are outdoing each other in citing his otherwise impeccable resume.
The TJRC, once again, provides a peek into his contribution to public life.
On page 131 of the fourth volume of its final report, he is named, alongside one Peter Langat (then a District Commissioner), as having allegedly engineered human rights violations in the present-day West Pokot county.
"From 22nd February to 22nd May (1984), he spearheaded Operation Nyundo where many people lost their lives and over 20,000 animals starved to death. Operation was also punctuated with rape and beating of the locals. The disarmament exercise resulted in deaths of civilians in what has come to be known as Lotiriri Massacre,” the report says.
For Rev. Simon Alew – who appeared before the TJRC - the Pokot community’s two experiences in the hands of security agencies, these days known as the Kacheliba Massacre and the Lotiriri Military Operation of 1984, are never to be forgotten.
“The operation of 1982/1984 was the major one, where the Government of Kenya led by former President Moi declared that the Pokot community should be disarmed. The disarmament turned into kind of a communal punishment. I am calling it a communal punishment because everybody, even if you were a peacemaker, a bishop or a professor; you were treated equally. So, if it was beating, you were all beaten. There were some people who were beaten and tortured. Over 25,000 herds of cattle were taken to Kacheliba Police Station. Over 10,000 cattle died in the same police station and the remaining 15,000 were just transported to unknown places,” he narrated in Kapenguria.
The government, he recalls, gave a back-handed compliment to those suing for peace.
“When the Government went round to collect firearms, they announced that: ‘If you surrender your gun, you will be given a certificate of confirmation.’ People were informed that when the helicopter comes, you should raise that certificate so that they will know that you are a peaceful person and some people did the same. Mzee Atoligole Losute became the first person to surrender his gun, but when he tried to raise the certificate, the helicopter dropped down and then he was told: Because you are a good person, we will take you round to be an example to other people. So, when that Mzee was flown off by the helicopter, his wives saw him go inside the helicopter and after going round, he was seen hooked or tied on his neck to the helicopter and then he was flown off and went round the helicopter and after about 30 minutes, that old man died. He was thrown away at the border of Kenya and Uganda. Another person who was treated the same way was Mzee Achelo. When he raised his certificate to show that he was a peaceful person, he was sprayed with bullets by the helicopter and three others died at a place called Karamel in Nikunyau Division, which was a location then,” he recounted.
The report notes that summons for him to appear before it notwithstanding, "Major (Rtd) Nkaissery failed to appear before the Commission for hearings on 23rd February 2013 and again on 8th April, 2013."
In its findings and recommendations, the TJRC observed that the Director of Public Prosecution needed to prosecute Nkaissery.
In the year following the release of the TJRC’s report, fewer public figures have been more visible in pressing either for its revision or delay in implementation than the good general, often aided by Majority Leader Aden Dualle.
The received wisdom in some quarters is that the bar has already been set low by the ascension of both President Uhuru Kenyatta and his deputy, William Ruto, to the nation’s leadership, their "personal challenges" at the International Criminal Court (ICC) notwithstanding; performance over human rights, some even say.
Victims of State-sponsored terror, however, will look forward to Nkaiserry’s tenure with more than passing interest.
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Post by OtishOtish on Dec 4, 2014 23:10:38 GMT 3
Jesse:
Your comments are very timely, but ... I think it refers to "Chapter 6" and suchlike. I doubt that many care; otherwise, one would have to sweep out quite a bit of the legislature, the executive, ... , even the judges claimed that any rot before 2010 should not be taken into account! For its part, the Opposition made a few obligatory noises about the report and then went on to more "headliny" stuff: let's referend! moles! they ate much more that we did!
Anyways ... even excluding the effort that H. E. Dr (new) Rais devoted to avoiding merely "receiving" the thing, it was clear that the TJRC report was dead as soon as it suggested that some of the people who own Kenya may have acquired ownership through dubious "shares".
But some of what you write does require serious attention, because it is in the here-and-now: As KDF goes on another "disarmament" mission (Kapedo), it so sometimes forgotten that they have been it at before. Several times. Looting, burning, killing, raping, destroying. Used to be one of Moi's hobbies to send out KDF on such missions. The 1984-1986 one was a big one, and it was followed with all sorts of recommendations on what ought to be done for a long-term solution. And? Here we are 30 years later.
The matters highlighted in the TJRC report will be dealt with small-small, as one might say, but with big-big pain:
* In the Rift Valley, they tried a "final solution", but that had to be adjourned ... To be continued, as one might say.
* In Mkepetoni, there was some modest reclamation, but it required some "external services" ... At the Coast too, there is some to-be-continued.
Those who worked for the TJRC were hired to do a job, and they did an excellent one. They should be very proud of that. But today's mantra is accept and move on.
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Post by kamalet on Dec 4, 2014 23:19:11 GMT 3
"Kwani Turskana sio watu?" That is what Uhuru asked the other day with regard to the killing of security offices by the Pokot who claimed they had confused the security men for Turkana.
The Pokot have been on a cyclic murderous spree of the Turkana and the 84-86 fighting was in response to this. In this instance, the government sent police officers who were chased out by the well armed Pokot. The GSU followed and suffered similar fate forcing Moi to bring in the military. The Generals then decided on a using units from the Air Calvary, Artillery Battalion and the Para Battalion to finish off the Pokot problem in the Suguta Valley. The shock and awe was sufficient to keep the area peaceful for many years. The casualties were high which is inevitable when you send the military. When the military was sent to Kapedo, the problem seemed to resolve itself including peace initiatives by the culprits!
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Post by OtishOtish on Dec 5, 2014 0:15:49 GMT 3
"Kwani Turskana sio watu?" That is what Uhuru asked the other day with regard to the killing of security offices by the Pokot who claimed they had confused the security men for Turkana. The Pokot have been on a cyclic murderous spree of the Turkana and the 84-86 fighting was in response to this. In this instance, the government sent police officers who were chased out by the well armed Pokot. The GSU followed and suffered similar fate forcing Moi to bring in the military. The Generals then decided on a using units from the Air Calvary, Artillery Battalion and the Para Battalion to finish off the Pokot problem in the Suguta Valley. The shock and awe was sufficient to keep the area peaceful for many years. The casualties were high which is inevitable when you send the military. When the military was sent to Kapedo, the problem seemed to resolve itself including peace initiatives by the culprits!
The area has not been "peaceful for many years". Where do you get your news? Or do you just mean that they haven't been killing any coppers?
It is important to keep in mind that in all these years the initial reason for involving the police, the GSU, the army was to put an end to conflict between civilians (over cows and so on). The "state" elements then seem to have translated it into a conflict between themselves and civilians and have gone on to engage in activities that probably amount to war crimes. More importantly, the misguided State methods have not
(a) put an end to the conflicts they were supposed to end; or
(b) put an end to the "sorting out" of the State elements. (People their remain quite bitter over Moi's stunts.)
High casualties! Yes, a real shame for the tens-of-thousands of cows!
Some finishing off! Isn't that near the Baragoi place where there was a disaster last year? Success or failure?Your gleeful shock-and-awe is noted. And the point? Well-armed state elements can always manage---especially if, like the Kenyan ones, they are prepared to, and are allowed to, commit untold atrocities on civilians. But it is always a short-sighted way to go about things: African history in the 20th century is full of presidents-for-the-life, and that sort, who used to state power in very nasty ways .... and how did they end? Conflicts like the Turkana-Pokot-Etc. will not be solved by abusive state elements raining terror on all. The fundamental problems remain, and a better-armed populace acquires more hatred for state authority. So, when you say that I have to ask: exactly which problem seemed to "resolve itself" and how? |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Dec 8, 2014 1:51:42 GMT 3
This is what is actually in the TJRC Report:
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Dec 8, 2014 5:43:13 GMT 3
This is what is actually in the TJRC Report: We should learn to ignore these evil society noises. How do you punish someone for performing his duties? Meanwhile, when are we taking these TJRC types to Iraq? Many lives have been lost there and animals in their millions starved to death for many years now. As Kamale notes above, the Pokot problem in Suguta Valley had become too much for normal security operations, a solution was found and peace restored. How then do we turn around and punish those who restored sanity in this region? ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ |
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Post by OtishOtish on Dec 8, 2014 5:59:18 GMT 3
H.E. Dr (new) Rais:
H.E. Dr (new) Rais ---like the kid who claims he is too sick to go to school because he does not want to get the results of the test on which he suspects he did poorly---did his best to dodge the TJRC report. But, just as the kid eventually must face his little bit of reality, H.E. Dr (new) Rais eventually "received" the report. (By "definition", infantile behaviour cannot take into account long-term inevitabilities.)
The "resistance to reception" was bizarre and surprising, but what followed was the norm: accept, bury the thing, and move on. Indeed, the expected norm was that the report would be "received" promptly, there would be expressions of shock, and promises would be made that "no stone will be left unturned!". So the fact that the TJRC report went nowhere will not lead to any scratching of heads ... par for the course. But this Nkaissery thing is one heck of a kick in the teeth: "F**k the report! And f**k the nonsense of adverse mention of this or that person! And f**k the silly ideas that anybody should be investigated for this or that."
That's a lot of f**ks, all of which may be summarized thus: mta do?
The TJRC report dealt with "historical" issues that have caused enormous problems in Kenya and will continue to do so, unless something major is done. Land is the biggest of those issues. But another big one consists of the abuses of state power, including the manner in which the military has engaged in numerous abuses that amount to war crimes and crimes against humanity. These too become "historical" because people remember. And so whenever the opportunity is there to poke a sharp stick into the "eye" of the state, there it goes---from the Pokot or Turkana herdsman, to the alleged terrorist in the NE, to ...
[The lovey-dovey with the military ... for another day.]
We object! We oppose!:
Uhuru's dodging of the TJRC report was surprising but only because it was infantile behaviour. Sitting on it and pretending it did not exist was "par for the course". For as long as I can remember, Kenyans have been happy to spend and spend and spend ... on "commissions" whose "reports" are then used to provide "roots" for spider-webs. Nothing out of the ordinary there.
What I have found most astonishing, given the issues that the report deals with, is that there has not been a hue-and-cry from the citizens. Now, I don't expect that the average citizen, with day-to-day immediate issues, will take the time to jump up-and-down about the report. But there are those whose "job description" includes such jumping up-and-down. The Opposition!
Sure, H.E. Dr (new) Rais decided to shit sit on the report. But there haven't been many strong complaints about the stench; so, as far as he is concerned, why should he not be able to appoint one of the report's Criminal Generals to do ... what he's so good at? After all, the people have indicated that, no matter what, they are ready to accept and move on.
Issues like this highlight a real & major problem in Kenyan politics: there is no real Opposition. Sure, there are people who would like to be in government but are not, and in the Kenyan parliamentary system they constitute the Opposition? But is the Kenyan Opposition---CORD or whatever---a real Opposition, in the sense that it offers a serious alternative to the existing government? I doubt it.
Internally, CORD (read ODM) has been (and, to some extent, still is) engaged in practices that makes one wonder whether they should be allowed near power. Externally, they think that being The Opposition simply means shouting "we oppose! we oppose! we oppose!". After Budget Day, does The Opposition offer an alternative to show what it could do with the same amount (or less) money? Health, Security, Infrastructure, ... , whatever. What policies and concrete plans does The Opposition have to offer as an alternative to the current government?
The changes that many Kenyans want---apathetic & mindlessly "tribalistic" though they might be---cannot take place unless there is a serious alternative to the present government ... something more that the present joke that is built on (what in ancient days was called) a Cult of Personality.
After the storm, a correction:
"Fortunately", there will be no "after" because there has been no storm. Everyone & Dog had forgotten about the TJRC report until H.E. Dr (new) Rais decided to stick this sharp Nkaissery-stick up the [redacted] of Good, Upright & Law-Abiding Citizens. And, if they don't like it, wata do?
In commenting on the collapse of Uhuru's ICC case, jakaswanga, summed it up quite well: can't do shit right now, but, eventually & inevitably, there will be a "correction". And history is on his side. The problem is that "corrections" on The Beloved Continent tend to be rather costly and unpleasant affairs .... I can't help recalling that in June 2011, King of Kings (and Kolonel) M. Gaddafi, (now H.E. Dr. Rais) U. Kenyatta, and (now H.E.--aspiring Dr.--Deputy Rais) W. S. Ruto were all "wanted" at the ICC. The Libyans did not wait for the ICC; the caught him and gave it to him, right up the .... Kenyans opted for the ICC; and now H.E. & Deputy are giving it to them right up the ... Kienyeji Style.
African Solutions For African Problems.
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Post by b6k on Dec 8, 2014 13:07:16 GMT 3
H.E. Dr (new) Rais:
H.E. Dr (new) Rais --- Njakip, I must confess I find the way you've recently taken to addressing the president of your former country to be very peculiar indeed. Suffice it to say that even a diaspora Kenyan (or ex-Kenyan in your case) would be fully aware, thanks to technological advances in ICT, that the only politician in the land who takes honorary degrees seriously is none other than the Homa Bay Senator-in-waiting-prime-minister (never FORMER PM!) RAO. Don't we have footage of him dressed in his graduation gown days after the "honor" was bestowed upon him? In the US these gowns are given FOC to use for a day & return them, but he somehow commandeered his & wore it on the flight home, much like we see our local graduands romping around town, forgetting that a gown simply marks one as being part of the newly unemployed ranks. Nkaissery will be vetted for the job. If his past history is an issue then the onus will be on the "progressive" opposition to block his appointment. I bet you he will be accepted almost unanimously. If we objected to any Kenyan holding a post then we'd have no one especially since we have a tendency of picking politicians, ALL of whom have a past for vacancies. Don't hate the player...hate the game... |
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Post by jesse on Dec 8, 2014 18:51:09 GMT 3
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Post by jakaswanga on Dec 8, 2014 20:22:08 GMT 3
This is what is actually in the TJRC Report:ALLEGED VIOLATION: From 22nd February to 22nd May, he spearheaded Operation “Nyundo”where many people lost their lives and over 20,000 animals starved to death. Operation was also punctuated with rape and beating of the locals. The disarmament exercise resulted in deaths of civilians in what has come to be known as “Lotiriri MassacreWe should learn to ignore these evil society noises. How do you punish someone for performing his duties? Meanwhile, when are we taking these TJRC types to Iraq? Many lives have been lost there and animals in their millions starved to death for many years now. As Kamale notes above, the Pokot problem in Suguta Valley had become too much for normal security operations, a solution was found and peace restored. How then do we turn around and punish those who restored sanity in this region? ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ Protesting the rape of Kenyan woman is evil noise made? Naam, Naam!Salaams. No; going to visit my boy on several occasions, I found you are on working leave from Mukibis, having been detached to Nyumba Kubwa! So let me tell you this from experience. If you love the profession the way I do, one day after your tour of duty at Ikulu is done, you will wish to come back to our good old TSC! To this end, you must save some credibility to impress the critical faculties of young, sane minds. Relative to Somalia, Both Sudans, DRC and even Uganda and Ethiopia, Kenya is highly functional. However, when you write .. in response to then will I say you said a total goodbye to the ministry of education. you lost your teacher's mind! We do do not consider rapists and their commanders to be things worthy of being national heroes. In fact I tend to pledge, looking at the young female students proud of their country, that those who violate/rape them sexually should be executed. You got that: I seen poles, called konga (from the sisal plant) driven into the rear ends of men who raped women in East Congo. If General Nkaissery presided over the rape of Kenyan women, I would drive two round poles into him, one through his arse, to meet the other through his throat. I hate rape with the maniacal virulence of a Tutsi regiment absorbing a church full of once ace Tutsi women, now reduced to wrecked lunatics after a 6-month service as rape-camp inmates amusing interahamwe studs. Don't push me to drive a double-barrelled gun up your intestines and fire to avenge raped Kenyan cun-nt! yaye! |
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Post by podp on Dec 8, 2014 22:21:50 GMT 3
We do do not consider rapists and their commanders to be things worthy of being national heroes. In fact I tend to pledge, looking at the young female students proud of their country, that those who violate/rape them sexually should be executed. You got that: I seen poles, called konga (from the sisal plant) driven into the rear ends of men who raped women in East Congo. If General Nkaissery presided over the rape of Kenyan women, I would drive two round poles into him, one through his arse, to meet the other through his throat. I hate rape with the maniacal virulence of a Tutsi regiment absorbing a church full of once ace Tutsi women, now reduced to wrecked lunatics after a 6-month service as rape-camp inmates amusing interahamwe studs. Don't push me to drive a double-barrelled gun up your intestines and fire to avenge raped Kenyan cun-nt! yaye! google old general and try too the nominee for Defense Secretary elsewhere, also old, but not sparks and running to his home boys to get an ok and in the spirit of patrimonialism playing out discovery.ucl.ac.uk/146729/1/1161252.pdf+++Ashton Carter is expected to cruise to confirmation as the Obama administration’s fourth defense secretary in just six years, even as Republicans prepare to use his confirmation hearing to hammer the president’s national security policy for lacking organization and vision. Several lawmakers have slammed President Obama for the high turnover at the helm of the Pentagon amid the myriad international crises, from the Islamic State’s rise to Russia’s aggression to heightened muscle flexing by the Chinese military. Read more: www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/7/obama-to-take-hits-at-aston-carter-confirmation/#ixzz3LKntzR8k Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter so your concern on rapists elevated and bandit economy encouraged is justified as explained in the Autumn of the Patriarch. Then the General forms a new civilian regime. Now the General is very old, but is usually undisturbed and allowed to play various sexual and other games, including those with school girls. www.bookrags.com/studyguide-the-autumn-of-the-patriarch/#gsc.tab=0terrible that we glorify greed and what the lowly are not allowed the high do with impunity westfm.co.ke/index-page-news-bid-11759.htmAn uncle of this man, who is a very senior government officer, came to me and told me: ‘If you don’t produce the child and drop this case, I will make sure that you are fired’, » she said. She refused. Two years later, the girl is safe and the case is in court. Corruption and intimidation deny justice to many survivors of sexual violence in Kenya, which campaigners say has reached « epidemic » proportions. One in three Kenyan girls experience sexual violence before the age of 18, a 2012 government survey found. www.courrierdesafriques.net/2014/11/what-price-the-rape-of-a-child-in-kenya-impunity-can-be-bought-with-a-goatso you see our heroes teachings! imagine this happened you sound the mob |
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Post by b6k on Dec 9, 2014 6:34:46 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, I think the majority of Jukwaaists abhor rape. However, allow me to illustrate the predicament Nkaissery may have found himself in after Operation Nyundo using your last post as an example.
Commander OO unleashes a factoid from the TJRC report alluding to rape. Private Jakaswanga then goes to town on Jukwaa unleashing unbridled terror full of venom & open references to male rape of suspected (women) rape sympathizers. Commander OO looks the other way knowing that as overzealous as Private Jakaswanga may be, his heart is in the right place & he is a patriot to the activist cause. Pyongyang, which had always been a well policed forum, takes to allowing to ever increasing (ab)uses of the F word & violent language. The commanders deputies, Adongo Ogony & Kathure Kebaara, have long since abandoned their posts & derelicted their duties; the former by hanging his boots over political skirmishes & the latter by quietly committing e-Suicide one wintry day in Canada. The board goes from a family friendly one to Fallujah requiring an X Rating. Who's to blame?
Until a TJRC can prove that Nkaissery issued orders to his troops to rape women & that rape was a tool used willingly & knowingly to subjugate the populace during Operation Nyundo it won't be easy to pin the excesses of his troops on him. Even the mighty US army has been known to rape women and young girls in Iraq. A few dunderhead D- type soldiers will always take advantage of the fog of war to satisfy their pent up sexual energies that have had no outlet in the barracks. Can you then justly condemn the whole KDF for the actions of a few (& unnumbered) individuals?
As I said earlier, Nkaissery will be vetted. This will be your only opportunity to write to the committee that will vet him & question his credentials. You may have to tone down the anger & present actual facts as to time, date, victims details for the rape allegations to see the light of day though...
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Post by jakaswanga on Dec 9, 2014 14:58:54 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, I think the majority of Jukwaaists abhor rape. However, allow me to illustrate the predicament Nkaissery may have found himself in after Operation Nyundo using your last post as an example. Commander OO unleashes a factoid from the TJRC report alluding to rape. Private Jakaswanga then goes to town on Jukwaa unleashing unbridled terror full of venom & open references to male rape of suspected (women) rape sympathizers. Commander OO looks the other way knowing that as overzealous as Private Jakaswanga may be, his heart is in the right place & he is a patriot to the activist cause. Pyongyang, which had always been a well policed forum, takes to allowing to ever increasing (ab)uses of the F word & violent language. The commanders deputies, Adongo Ogony & Kathure Kebaara, have long since abandoned their posts & derelicted their duties; the former by hanging his boots over political skirmishes & the latter by quietly committing e-Suicide one wintry day in Canada. The board goes from a family friendly one to Fallujah requiring an X Rating. Who's to blame? Until a TJRC can prove that Nkaissery issued orders to his troops to rape women & that rape was a tool used willingly & knowingly to subjugate the populace during Operation Nyundo it won't be easy to pin the excesses of his troops on him. Even the mighty US army has been known to rape women and young girls in Iraq. A few dunderhead D- type soldiers will always take advantage of the fog of war to satisfy their pent up sexual energies that have had no outlet in the barracks. Can you then justly condemn the whole KDF for the actions of a few (& unnumbered) individuals? As I said earlier, Nkaissery will be vetted. This will be your only opportunity to write to the committee that will vet him & question his credentials. You may have to tone down the anger & present actual facts as to time, date, victims details for the rape allegations to see the light of day though... b6k, Sir, would you like me to believe, that you are casting doubt on the rape chapter in Pokot as enacted by the Dust-gathering TJRC report? 2nd: Are you denying rape has been a systematic, systemic apparatus of coercion by the KDF whenever they have been deployed? Mount Elgon against the Saboat for instance. If we add the GSU as a side kick act, then systemic is a justified typology. It is no longer incidental nor a few overzealous types of pent up sexual frustrations due to barrack droughts. 3. Where does the Buck stop if soldiers show massive indiscipline, rape sprees, totally opposed to their defence brief? The commanding officer has to be called to order. In the medieval epoch, of course womenkind were booty, spoils of war for a victorious army --- Genghis Khan, Atilla the Hun days! But we moved on this ladder called civilisation! You rape some will move to cut your balls n dick off! I do not need rapist-condoner to take care of security in Kenya! Heck man! We tearing females in our streets for skimpy dress! That is terrible enough! ---Ouru tightly n rightly condemned it, only to pick a rape suspect for the security docket! ---i need a four letter word he he! |
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Post by b6k on Dec 9, 2014 19:30:49 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, I'm not doubting the dusty tome known as the TJRC report. In fact I had to quickly peruse through my copy to bring myself up to speed on Nkaissery's alleged crimes. One thing to note is Kacheliba constituency in Pokots had been administratively part of Uganda until the 1970's. So there's a hint of a Migingo type neglect historically.
Just before the TJRC went into the Lotiriri Massacre, it covered the Murkutwa Massacre in which the Pokots, victims in the Lotiriri disarmament action, were aggressors of Market victims on 12th March 2001. In this raid 44 people died. The TJRC gave a full list of victims with names, age, sex, & village of origin in tidy charts. Compared with Operation Nyundo from 22nd February to 22nd May 1984 in which Nkaissery led the troops sent to disarm the Pokots, there was no comprehensive victims list (probably by design at the time). A few of the victims are named & their experiences given but save for a reference to "sexual violence" & other atrocities, there's nothing of evidentiary value.
In this post-PEV/post-ICC era, although there's little doubt there was extensive suffering meted out on the Pokots by the Kenya Army, there's not much one can take Nkaissery to court over. Also as I said earlier, even the TJRC report doesn't state that there was a specific order given by Nkaissery to rape the women in the area being policed. Not being privy to any court martials the military may have held back then, since soldiers don't answer to our regular courts as cops do, I wouldn't expect much to come from the calls for the general to atone for his past errors of omission or commission.
Towards the end of the same volume, Nkaissery does get another mention but this time as Assistant Minister in the Ministry of Defence when he was discussing an MOU between Kenya and Britain that allows for British forces in country. In the section titled "Sexual Violence By The British Royal Army", reference is made to a mass gang rape of 30 women at Archers Post in October 1997. Many were raped at knife point, some in their own manyattas. This was not a military operation but Brits gone wild during a training exercise after being released from their barracks. Where you have large groups of aggressive alpha males with no outlets to release their pent up energies, expect trouble...
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Post by jakaswanga on Dec 9, 2014 20:28:30 GMT 3
b6k, Body count or (body-bag count)is straightforward and easy to document.
However, when it comes to (euphemistically said) 'sexual violence', the truth is the majority of women tend to be too ashamed to parade their ordeal in public for whatever effect –-even as testimony to nail the perpetrators. Even in the 'legally advanced' West obssessed with feminist issues, defence attorneys are known to adopt a line of cross-examination which is, to all practical purposes, psychological torture. Many women (I can reference Eurostatistics for an accurate detail on the EU)) tend to rather avoid this voyeuristic pathos of the males, and suffer bitterly in silence.
In Africa –-and in deed Arabo-Islamic countries, where the community will turn on a sexually molested woman and even excommunicate her, silence tends to be even more golden. In parts of Asia minor and the middle east, it is required that a raped woman be killed to save the honour of the family! (ie, she should have suicided herself if she really were sure she was humpy-dumpty-d against her will!). –-That is patriarchy unbridled for you! screw-ing the real victim some more!
I therefore find it dangerous of you -even if it is legally the technical thing to argue, that you have not seen it fit to add the caveat, that the lack of a detailed list of rape victims in Pokot etc, could have a pretty obvious reason. –-Shame prevented the women from confessing their ordeal.
And apart from the shame, they instinctively recognised the truth seeking process was a sham. An exercise that would most likely lead to no justice. (Mutunga or Njonjo or Wako or Mwendwa or Gicheru, the difference being the same!)
How much compensation did the raping Brits pay the manyatta rape inmates?
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Post by jakaswanga on Dec 9, 2014 20:44:04 GMT 3
The commanders deputies, Adongo Ogony & Kathure Kebaara, have long since abandoned their posts & derelicted their duties; the former by hanging his boots over political skirmishes & the latter by quietly committing e-Suicide one wintry day in Canada. The board goes from a family friendly one to Fallujah requiring an X Rating. Who's to blame?.. I will second a motion to have the avatar of Kathure-Kebaara do a Jesus of Nazareth trick. That is resurrect! She leaves an ideological vacuum which shall further unhinge Pyongyang. Male bigots  like the tall and dark Otishotish, unrepentant sexists like the gringo Mank, male supremacists like Sadik, bad naughty boys like Kamalet, and odd-job renegades like b6k and Jakaswanga, I think, do need a stern nanny to remind them to clean up their voluminous sh!t drops! or else! Let us all want Kathure back! How else will we grow up!? (Our Kim  is chiefly a guilotine operator, he has no head for the delicate taske of pedagogy!) |
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Post by b6k on Dec 10, 2014 10:17:28 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, I think I went beyond the "shame" of the victim angle when I said the dearth of information may have been by design. As we saw in the Shailja vs. Mochama thread, if there's no report of the crime (Occurence Book listing at your local police), for all intents & purposes, there is no crime. So in addition to the shame, the victims most likely saw little need in reporting to cops who would most likely harass them further anyway. This is something the activists may wish to amend in future abuse scenarios when they land on the ground amongst the first responders. They should assist victims in taking the necessary steps to have their experiences legally documented for follow up later.
The report never went into details as to what compensation the Brits paid. There was the reference to at least two other cases where "victims" had sued & then dropped charges when it transpired that the act was consensual. The British government has therefore denied responsibility in a number of cases or argued the difficulty of ascertaining who the father may be even where there's clearly a half-caste child to prove something happened. He said, she said...
Kathure would've toned down your missives by sending you to Kim's sin bin for a month. Those were the days!
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Dec 10, 2014 13:22:53 GMT 3
b6k:
What are my names and those of Kathure and Adongo doing in your side swipes to Jakaswanga?
And when will you stop your penchant for unprovoked ad hominem attacks?
Surely at your age, you do not have stoop that low in drawing attention to yourself.
Onyango Oloo
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Post by b6k on Dec 10, 2014 20:49:14 GMT 3
Lighten up, OO. Meanwhile back in 2012 Nkaissery made it very clear that secrets must be kept & our MP's are not to be trusted with sensitive information: "“You can summon security chiefs but you can’t go about grilling them on operational aspects,” he told The Standard On Saturday. “The US Intelligence committee summons (Secretary of State Hillary) Clinton and (Central Intelligence Agency director Leon) Panetta but it can’t question operational aspects or acquisition of weaponry,” Nkaissery said." www.standardmedia.co.ke/mobile/?articleID=2000059948&story_title=queries-as-mps-raise-oversight-on-intelligenceDon't expect to hear too much about the operational aspects of Operation Nyundo from this ex military man... |
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Post by b6k on Dec 18, 2014 21:18:29 GMT 3
...oh & as expected, Nkaissery's appointment was passed unopposed today. MPigs at work...
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Post by jakaswanga on Dec 18, 2014 21:53:02 GMT 3
...oh & as expected, Nkaissery's appointment was passed unopposed today. MPigs at work... We elected them. They decide for us now. Choices have consequences! But I know war (even a fake one on terror) is too important to be left to Generals, even retired ones. |
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Post by b6k on Dec 19, 2014 0:26:38 GMT 3
Worse yet, the General also happens to be a politician. Whatever happened to technocrats only for CS posts?
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Post by OtishOtish on Dec 19, 2014 3:22:58 GMT 3
So. The guy who, quite literally, knows where all the bodies are buried just got upgraded into the Top Crowd. And, as far as I can tell, with hardly a whimper from Babu Baba & The Opposition. The TJRC report was buried on arrival and then briefly dug up before being incinerated. That should finally put it to rest.
The "historical injustices"? Those will probably end up being dealt with in the standard, learning-proof way.
The Frenchman says c'est la vie; Kenyan man says accept and move on. But for one it is wine and frog's legs, and for the other? Never mind. It's the "proper attitude to life" that matters. Until ... the next time? the next Reclamation Project?
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Post by ebarasi on Dec 19, 2014 4:10:31 GMT 3
So. The guy who, quite literally, knows where all the bodies are buried just got upgraded into the Top Crowd. And, as far as I can tell, with hardly a whimper from Babu Baba & The Opposition. The TJRC report was buried on arrival and then briefly dug up before being incinerated. That should finally put it to rest. The "historical injustices"? Those will probably end up being dealt with in the standard, learning-proof way. The Frenchman says c'est la vie; Kenyan man says accept and move on. But for one it is wine and frog's legs, and for the other? Never mind. It's the "proper attitude to life" that matters. Until ... the next time? the next Reclamation Project? There is one thing you cannot run from and that is your shadow. We tend to turn a blind eye to what hit others and we say we are Kenyans. I digress. Time will tell. |
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Post by podp on Mar 16, 2015 22:40:45 GMT 3
So. The guy who, quite literally, knows where all the bodies are buried just got upgraded into the Top Crowd. And, as far as I can tell, with hardly a whimper from Babu Baba & The Opposition. The TJRC report was buried on arrival and then briefly dug up before being incinerated. That should finally put it to rest. The "historical injustices"? Those will probably end up being dealt with in the standard, learning-proof way. The Frenchman says c'est la vie; Kenyan man says accept and move on. But for one it is wine and frog's legs, and for the other? Never mind. It's the "proper attitude to life" that matters. Until ... the next time? the next Reclamation Project? There is one thing you cannot run from and that is your shadow. We tend to turn a blind eye to what hit others and we say we are Kenyans. I digress. Time will tell. a man of the people or no longer at ease or the arrow of god, the man may have to give the governor of Mandera an armored vehicle. |
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like the tall and dark Otishotish, unrepentant sexists 
is chiefly a guilotine 