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Post by OtishOtish on Dec 20, 2014 7:37:19 GMT 3
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Post by kamalet on Dec 20, 2014 10:20:15 GMT 3
David Ndii is a rather overrated character. When you have someone assume the powers of Malkiat Singh, then you know the character is long lost. Kenyan can never have a second Malkiat Singh - that brand is long gone as only he could write revision notes on anything from Anthropology to Zoology. David Ndii is nothing more than an economic bookworm. Academically I cannot hold a candle infront of Ndii, am not even as schooled as he is! But I do have the gift of logic.
After a eating up half of his article telling us what ails the police force and repeating what we know about the corrupt practices of the police he proceeds to give us his idea of solutions which are generally not practical!
His idea of transforming the Traffic Police is warped. Transferring their authority to another agency only transfers the corruption from the police to that agency. Traffic enforcement need not be transferred to another agency, it just needs technology and proper management of vehicle ownership. Traffic policing involves speeding, wreckless driving, accident management and statutory compliance. Resolve this and the coppa has no way of soliciting a bribe. The increase incentive for convictions following arrest for the cops and less will take bribes and more will enforce the law getting legitimate bonuses for killing traffic crimes!
Ndii then adopts this rich man attitude of competition for the police. There is this ridiculous suggestion of hiring a Private Investigator who provides evidence that gets someone arrested. This means only criminals offending the rich will get justice because the rich can afford a PI. How about enabling the investigative abilities of the police, increase the numbers as the force (I hear now it is a service!) ratio against the people they should be serving is very low. But then when they tried recruiting 10,000 a couple of hundred bribed their way into the recruitment and with the wisdom of our judges, we threw the entire recruitment exercise out of the window!
In what must have been a brainwave capable of lighting a candle he thinks that devolving the police would sort this little problem of crime. Exactly what does clever David have in mind when talking about devolution? Does he know know that police have for long run the most devolved structures in this country. Has he not heard of the Officer in Charge of a Police Post? How about the OCS and their Governor the OCPD? Ndii tends to have a very ignorant view of the police structures and thinks that what he sees in the movie of county sheriffs and the FBI in movies is something that can work here!
To cap up his 'Reality' article, he cites three cases of recent insecurity from the north, west and south of the country. None of which is unforgiveable, but again none of which can be resolved by his purely academic ideas. Perhaps the case of women blocking the police from 'rescuing' girls recently circumcised who chased the police -with tails between their legs- presents the challenges of Kenyan policing. To Ndii and his bunch of 'hactivists, circumcision of the girls was wrong and the women who bore the girls begged to differ having gone through the ritual themselves. So when the police arrive to rescue the girls - I am still not sure what they were being rescued from if they had already met the cut! - they meet a threatening mob of women. How do they deal with them? tear gas them, violently club them to make way for the rescue teams? Now all of a sudden the police have walked into a minefield of tear gassing women! In Kenya today tear gassing men is bad, just how bad would it be if they did this to women!!
Going back to academic Ndii, who started of by headlining his article how Draconian Laws are nor the panacea for a peaceful secure nation, there has been no mention whatsoever on the 'draconian laws' he was headlining and why they cannot secure Kenya!
And that is the reason why Ndii should be arguing with Professor Ndungu at the central bank or the guys running our economy at the treasury and leaving matters of security to those who know something about it!
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Post by kamalet on Dec 20, 2014 10:55:42 GMT 3
Here is another Malkiat SinghWhilst I notice that the title Father has dropped from Father Dolan the 'hactivist', the man will write on anything with authority that one wishes he was this committed when writing about salvation through Jesus Christ. Dolan makes one very important comparative: The big winner in Kenya’s case will be Al-Shabaab and the big loser almost certainly the Constitution.All that I know is that in a competition between the constitution and Alshabaab to secure my life, I am happy to dump the constitution if that is what it means for Alshabaab to lose!
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Post by OtishOtish on Dec 20, 2014 16:23:48 GMT 3
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Dec 20, 2014 21:26:23 GMT 3
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Post by podp on Dec 20, 2014 22:36:14 GMT 3
David Ndii is a rather overrated character. When you have someone assume the powers of Malkiat Singh, then you know the character is long lost. Kenyan can never have a second Malkiat Singh - that brand is long gone as only he could write revision notes on anything from Anthropology to Zoology. David Ndii is nothing more than an economic bookworm. Academically I cannot hold a candle infront of Ndii, am not even as schooled as he is! But I do have the gift of logic. After a eating up half of his article telling us what ails the police force and repeating what we know about the corrupt practices of the police he proceeds to give us his idea of solutions which are generally not practical!His idea of transforming the Traffic Police is warped. Transferring their authority to another agency only transfers the corruption from the police to that agency. Traffic enforcement need not be transferred to another agency, it just needs technology and proper management of vehicle ownership. Traffic policing involves speeding, wreckless driving, accident management and statutory compliance. Resolve this and the coppa has no way of soliciting a bribe. The increase incentive for convictions following arrest for the cops and less will take bribes and more will enforce the law getting legitimate bonuses for killing traffic crimes! Ndii then adopts this rich man attitude of competition for the police. T here is this ridiculous suggestion of hiring a Private Investigator who provides evidence that gets someone arrested. This means only criminals offending the rich will get justice because the rich can afford a PI. How about enabling the investigative abilities of the police, increase the numbers as the force (I hear now it is a service!) ratio against the people they should be serving is very low. But then when they tried recruiting 10,000 a couple of hundred bribed their way into the recruitment and with the wisdom of our judges, we threw the entire recruitment exercise out of the window! In what must have been a brainwave capable of lighting a candle he thinks that devolving the police would sort this little problem of crime. Exactly what does clever David have in mind when talking about devolution? Does he know know that police have for long run the most devolved structures in this country. Has he not heard of the Officer in Charge of a Police Post? How about the OCS and their Governor the OCPD? Ndii tends to have a very ignorant view of the police structures and thinks that what he sees in the movie of county sheriffs and the FBI in movies is something that can work here! To cap up his 'Reality' article, he cites three cases of recent insecurity from the north, west and south of the country. None of which is unforgiveable, but again none of which can be resolved by his purely academic ideas. Perhaps the case of women blocking the police from 'rescuing' girls recently circumcised who chased the police -with tails between their legs- presents the challenges of Kenyan policing. To Ndii and his bunch of 'hactivists, circumcision of the girls was wrong and the women who bore the girls begged to differ having gone through the ritual themselves. So when the police arrive to rescue the girls - I am still not sure what they were being rescued from if they had already met the cut! - they meet a threatening mob of women. How do they deal with them? tear gas them, violently club them to make way for the rescue teams? Now all of a sudden the police have walked into a minefield of tear gassing women! In Kenya today tear gassing men is bad, just how bad would it be if they did this to women!! Going back to academic Ndii, who started of by headlining his article how Draconian Laws are nor the panacea for a peaceful secure nation, there has been no mention whatsoever on the 'draconian laws' he was headlining and why they cannot secure Kenya! And that is the reason why Ndii should be arguing with Professor Ndungu at the central bank or the guys running our economy at the treasury and leaving matters of security to those who know something about it!1st red high light remember Baragoi and that fake commissioner of police Waiganjo? “I wish also to state that my relationship with Police Commissioner Mathew Iteere, Director of Criminal Investigations Ndegwa Muhoro and (then) Head of Public Service Francis Kimemia deteriorated on October, 22, 2013. “A prominent businessman from Karatina, Nyeri, Mr Gikandi Maina, was shot dead by two robbers after a bank robbery at Barclays Bank in Nakuru where over Sh500 million was to be stolen,” the letter says. www.nation.co.ke/news/Top-official-fingered-in-Baragoi-killings/-/1056/2563278/-/10vshgx/-/index.htmllet us assume for argument sake there is some truth in what Mbijiwe is saying. it implies the then police commissioner, current CID director and associated top cops are all in cahoots with what David Ndi says.... Second, the security services do the dirty work for the political establishment. They facilitate and protect drug traffickers and other crime syndicates who in turn finance politics. They eliminate and intimidate witnesses. The security establishment knows where the bodies are buried, which means it can blackmail the political establishment. Reform would also deprive the political establishment these services. The two establishments constitute what lawyers would call a joint criminal enterprise.www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/Why-draconian-laws-are-not-the-panacea-for-a-secure-nation/-/440808/2563226/-/qylwp/-/index.htmlso even corruption we have ton admit the bandit economy in Pokot-Turkana-Baringo-Samburu as concerns cattle rustling comprise of this criminal enterprise that has security forces providing arms alternating any of the P-T-B-S communities, under police escort transport the stolen animals to Dagoretti and hence most of the meat consumed in Nairobi is from this criminal enterprise that has politicians from those regions and security as partners. 2nd red high light in mature democracies this occurs with devastating results that beat criminal enterprise. in Kenya we have had investigative journalism for example unravel how hard drugs and more recently terrorism works. it would be private investigators who can for example easily unravel the 1990, 1992, 1997. 2007/2008 instigated land clashes. when the ICC releases what they had hoped to charge Uhuru and fellow PNUs i.e. then commissioner Ali and head of public service Muthaura.... in the absence of political will by Jubilee government of Uhuruto, private investigations can nail either the current leadership or all the Waki envelope suspects who again included Uhuruto. do not be afraid of the truth if you are not guilty. there are many ways to kill a rat 3rd and 4th high light. the way Kibaki blundered and now Uhuruto are trying to return us to impartial presidency ....mixed with the fact that Kenyans do not trust and respect each other it would be best to transfer as many functions of security locally so as to obtain positive results. for example in Kisii ... news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8119201.stmwww.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2227693/Elderly-Kenyans-burned-alive-witches-refusing-desirable-coastline-land.htmlthis are land cases the younger generation wishes to dispose off and instead of waiting for the parents to die hopefully naturally, they speed that death. similar cases occur in Giriama community at Coast (Kilifi, Lamu and even Tana counties). having police commanders who are not from those communities plus junior officers again not from those communities stationed there guarantees no closed cases as they family members of the dead volunteer no information and the outsider cops are not able to solve the murder cases. same can be said of the Marsabit, Isiolo, Mandera and Tana counties clashes between ethnicities residing there. taking Kikuyu, Luhya, Luo and non resident police officers there never resulted in harmony between the communities. last time in Mandera I learnt that when the ethnic communities there fight the police never never dare interfere as one they have inferior fire power and they do not understand why the communities are fighting nor do they care, as shown by the Uhuruto presidency only reacting to Mandera killings when it was Kikuyus, Luhyas and Kisiis civil servants killed by so called al shabaab....is the lives of the inhabitants of those region of less value than that of Kikuyus, Luhyas and Kisiis? imagine if the police deployed there were not called home guards but even if called home guards were not being commanded by Kikuyus, Lihyas and Kisiis....would the results be different? try it as in countries where communities do not trust each other it works positively. 5th red high light let us not pretend that jobs are given to experts on merit but rather to ethnic and in our current state Jubilants i.e. Kikuyus and Kalenjins. even in the case of ole lenku a maasai is it only another masai retired general nkaisery who is the most competent? so when you have incompetent persons, look at ole lenku again a cook (Bachelor of Commerce not withstanding) made a security chief! why should any dick, tom and harry not question the ndungus even if professors in charge of central bank or professor mungai current AG as opposed to say the CS of Treasury and willy muting chief justice who are perceived more competent in their dockets? or the CS who are political like Security, Lands and Mining who we all know are political moves to lure the communities they come from to Jubilee while CSs like wakhungu and omamo is to laugh at Luhyas and Luos! and you wonder why...To the oppressors, the recently passed Security Laws (Amendment) Act is as significant as the amendment that made Kenya a de facto one-party state in the 1980s. It is as earth shaking as the promulgation of the Constitution in 2010. The law is a game changer! This Act has nothing to do with the fight against terrorism, as Majority Leader Aden Duale wants Kenyans to believe. It is an Act designed to bully, cow and torment certain sections of the country’s population. It is a primal, Orwellian, Stalinist and fascist piece of legislation that drives hard and deep a poisonous dagger into the heart of our constitutional order. It has specific regions and communities as its primary target. - Ahmednasir as for corruption in security try would you deny...poaching, cattle rustling, drug trafficking and trafficking in ivory from elephants are among lucrative businesses that finance crime. would you not agree... resorting to legal instruments to combat lawlessness is inconsequential unless systemic graft and ethnicity in the Office of the President, Parliament and security agencies are tackled boldly.Read more at: www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000145401&story_title=security-law-will-be-in-vain-where-corruption-thrives-president-told&pageNo=1 |
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Post by kamalet on Dec 21, 2014 9:51:39 GMT 3
podp
My point about highlighting the corrupt practices of our security forces is well known so re-hashing it to make a case for not doing anything is pointless. If you noticed, I suggested reversing this with giving police an incentive plan for bonuses following successful convictions as a way or addressing corruption. Call it legal bribes if you wish, but is that not the essence of all bonus schemes?
I have no quarrel with you getting a PI to pursue a case and get a criminal conviction. The fewer the criminals the better. But this only serves those who can afford the services. How about the poor victims of crime who cannot afford the services of a PI? Demand that the taxes you pay provide these investigative services by the CID - infact, insist on the CID being empowered to do their jobs. For starters how about lobbying for the forensic lab that we should have had before 2002?
Your response on the '5th Highlight'is nothing more than a political and tribal diatribe that really serves no purpose. The bit I would like you to work on is your own red highlight which I will call '1st Highlight'
The law is a game changer! This Act has nothing to do with the fight against terrorism, as Majority Leader Aden Duale wants Kenyans to believe. It is an Act designed to bully, cow and torment certain sections of the country’s population. It is a primal, Orwellian, Stalinist and fascist piece of legislation that drives hard and deep a poisonous dagger into the heart of our constitutional order. It has specific regions and communities as its primary target. - Ahmednasir
as for corruption in security try
would you deny...poaching, cattle rustling, drug trafficking and trafficking in ivory from elephants are among lucrative businesses that finance crime.
would you not agree...resorting to legal instruments to combat lawlessness is inconsequential unless systemic graft and ethnicity in the Office of the President, Parliament and security agencies are tackled boldly.
I have actually made an effort of reading the bill as well as the amendments that were made in parliament on the infamous Thursday. Have YOU actually read the new laws or are you content to have other people read it for you? I think YOU should read it and come back here are and tell us what is unconstitutional or the cause of your fear....that way we can push rumour aside and deal with facts!
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Post by kamalet on Dec 21, 2014 9:53:31 GMT 3
Corruption only thrives when there is a willing giver and a willing taker. Why only blame the police for taking and not blame yourself for giving?? |
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Post by kamalet on Dec 21, 2014 10:07:25 GMT 3
I actually am pleasantly surprised that Muthoni acknowledges that areas of fear that had people screaming were properly clarified and cleaned to conform with the constitution. That is the one advantage of reading rather than rumour mongering! But then one must appreciate that Muthoni has her paymaster whom she must impress. How can there be so much noise (for nothing) on the raft of security laws, and Amnesty International has not said its bit - especially from their office in Kenya? Muthoni gets it wrong; The bad news relative to the first Bill: Freedom of expression is expressly limited for the purposes of avoiding public alarm, incitement or disturbances to the public peace. Sounds reasonable, but the creation of a new criminal offence in respect of covering investigations or security operations remains.The potential here for limiting the media’s role, the role of oversight bodies and any other critical voice is clear. Think, for example, if this provision had existed during the Westgate Mall attack — would we have been able to see the looting of the mall by the army before our very eyes? The creation of a new crime is with respect to interfering in an investigation rather than reporting on an event. Soldiers allegedly looting nakumatt was not an investigation and I would shudder to imagine even Githu suggesting that media cannot report on that event. But it would be wrong to interfere in a security investigation/operation where such information aids the enemy. In fact the Sidney Siege presented the best example for this. The media refused TWICE to carry messages from the Iranian holding hostages for that was deemed to aid the man. Our own media have no qualms reporting what Alshabaab say sometimes even questioning the Kenyan version and believing the terrorists! Her view and fears of detention without trial are utterly misplaced. You only get help beyond 24 hours with judicial oversight. How can this lead to detention without trial? Is she suggesting that being held in remand is detention without trial? So yes, let us beat up the constitution and shred it to bits if in it there are clauses that allow murderers to kill Kenyans and get away with it! In seeking to give Kenyans freedom, the constitution was never intended to create prisoners lorded over by terrorists! |
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