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Post by Onyango Oloo on May 13, 2015 17:14:13 GMT 3
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Post by kamalet on May 14, 2015 7:40:29 GMT 3
I find it really strange that some political hactivists have still not let go that 'the dynamic duo' won the election and are governing Kenya the best way they know! If Kenyans made a mistake in voting the duo, then they have to live with it and in 2017 can redeem themselves by changing the monkeys that will continue to misgovern them for another 5 years. In the alternative they could decide that the current monkeys are better than those they do not know!
But constantly harping on the alleged criminality of the duo and how they did not lose the election only prepares the hactivists for another defeat in 2017, and as things are currently looking not even the mistake called Okoa Kenya can bring the regime change being sought!
So yeah, work hard to counter the PR people of the Uhuruto government in Washington, but do not lose sight of the fact that America only works for what is in its BEST interests and sadly the agenda of the hactivists might not necessarily mean anything to the said American interests.
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Post by cheshirecat on May 19, 2015 13:39:28 GMT 3
I find it really strange that some political hactivists have still not let go that 'the dynamic duo' won the election and are governing Kenya the best way they know! If Kenyans made a mistake in voting the duo, then they have to live with it and in 2017 can redeem themselves by changing the monkeys that will continue to misgovern them for another 5 years. In the alternative they could decide that the current monkeys are better than those they do not know! But constantly harping on the alleged criminality of the duo and how they did not lose the election only prepares the hactivists for another defeat in 2017, and as things are currently looking not even the mistake called Okoa Kenya can bring the regime change being sought! So yeah, work hard to counter the PR people of the Uhuruto government in Washington, but do not lose sight of the fact that America only works for what is in its BEST interests and sadly the agenda of the hactivists might not necessarily mean anything to the said American interests. Often, this attitude comes from a place of arrogance. A place that says that a small group of 'thinkers' know better than millions of voters. yes they voted them in and yes, they might vote them in again in 5 years (and reject the prescribed 'solution' to their problems) but all that does not matter. What they think does not matter. They are dumb peasants, easily fooled by a kilo of sugar, a leso and 200 bob. We the thinkers know best what the masses want and we shall force it down their throats. That is why we cant wait till 2017 because the dumbos will be fooled again.  |
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Post by podp on May 19, 2015 19:23:03 GMT 3
So yeah, work hard to counter the PR people of the Uhuruto government in Washington, but do not lose sight of the fact that America only works for what is in its BEST interests and sadly the agenda of the hactivists might not necessarily mean anything to the said American interests. Often, this attitude comes from a place of arrogance. A place that says that a small group of 'thinkers' know better than millions of voters. yes they voted them in and yes, they might vote them in again in 5 years (and reject the prescribed 'solution' to their problems) but all that does not matter. What they think does not matter. They are dumb peasants, easily fooled by a kilo of sugar, a leso and 200 bob. We the thinkers know best what the masses want and we shall force it down their throats. That is why we cant wait till 2017 because the dumbos will be fooled again. teacher said .... banking education maintains and even stimulates the contradiction through the following attitudes and practices, which mirror oppressive society as a whole: the teacher teaches and the students are taught; the teacher knows everything and the students know nothing; the teacher thinks and the students are thought about; the teacher talks and the students listen -- meekly; the teacher disciplines and the students are disciplined; the teacher chooses and enforces his choice, and the students comply; the teacher acts and the students have the illusion of acting through the action of the teacher; the teacher chooses the program content, and the students (who were not consulted) adapt to it; the teacher confuses the authority of knowledge with his or her own professional authority, which she and he sets in opposition to the freedom of the students; the teacher is the Subject of the learning process, while the pupils are mere objects. It is not surprising that the banking concept of education regards men as adaptable, manageable beings. The more students work at storing the deposits entrusted to them, the less they develop the critical consciousness which would result from their intervention in the world as transformers of that world. The more completely they accept the passive role imposed on them, the more they tend simply to adapt to the world as it is and to the fragmented view of reality deposited in them. www2.webster.edu/~corbetre/philosophy/education/freire/freire-2.html |
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Post by OtishOtish on May 20, 2015 6:28:24 GMT 3
teacher said .... banking education maintains and even stimulates the contradiction through the following attitudes and practices, which mirror oppressive society as a whole: the teacher teaches and the students are taught; the teacher knows everything and the students know nothing; the teacher thinks and the students are thought about; the teacher talks and the students listen -- meekly; the teacher disciplines and the students are disciplined; the teacher chooses and enforces his choice, and the students comply; the teacher acts and the students have the illusion of acting through the action of the teacher; the teacher chooses the program content, and the students (who were not consulted) adapt to it; the teacher confuses the authority of knowledge with his or her own professional authority, which she and he sets in opposition to the freedom of the students; the teacher is the Subject of the learning process, while the pupils are mere objects. It is not surprising that the banking concept of education regards men as adaptable, manageable beings. The more students work at storing the deposits entrusted to them, the less they develop the critical consciousness which would result from their intervention in the world as transformers of that world. The more completely they accept the passive role imposed on them, the more they tend simply to adapt to the world as it is and to the fragmented view of reality deposited in them. www2.webster.edu/~corbetre/philosophy/education/freire/freire-2.htmlMost of that is very much like the "education" system I went through in Kenya. I don't know how things are in Kenya these days, but that system is still in place in quite a bit of Asia. Now, let's focus on the red, which is where the teacher who teaches teaching seems to be going. And let's do it without illusions that all are exactly the same, exactly equal, dot, dot, dot. The first thing that is obvious is that men are indeed adaptable and manageable beings. Very much so. It is not "nice" to have to admit it, but there it is. Anyone who suggests otherwise should have a solid argument against almost all of human history. (In the Kenyan context, there will soon be ring-side seats as they get adapted and managed for "our man and our people" in 2017. One can already feel the "excitement". Lemmings could not be more predictable.) Second: The notion of "arrogance" is an interesting one, and the sly & unhelpful "elitist" charge is duly noted. But there are some "unhappy" facts that must be dealt with. -- #1 is that some people are simply too lazy, or can't be bothered, or aren't informed, or maybe just don't have it .... The "democratic" love for egalite can be stretched only so far. We certainly know its extent in Kenya. So when I read that here's what I think: Where I grew up in Kenya, that's certainly the case. But please throw in tea for the women and busaa for the men. And listening to their bitter complaints every 5 years between the rounds of sugar and 200 bob, I see no reason to believe that they made anything other than a "dumb" choice. I have seen them fooled for decades---still voting and waiting for that borehole or that road from 1960---where's the real counter-argument? -- #2 is this: If the "masses" make their choices in free, fair, and honest elections---and that's always in doubt in a place like Kenya---then, of course, the choices must be respected. But only up to a certain point. The mere fact that the "masses" have made a choice does not necessarily mean that the choice is the best possible or even good at all (remember, for example, that short fellow in Germany? the one with a moustache?) They could have made a better choice. Indeed, one of the "functions" of good "leaders" is to help the "masses" make better choices. -- #3: Kenya has its "duly elected leaders", but that does not mean that it is impossible to do better. Nor does "respecting" their "election" mean that one should not point to their unsavoury, criminal history. (We all know what went down back then.) Nor does it mean that they should get a pass on everything: from what I can tell, Uhuru is barely sober enough long enough to pay attention to anything, and Ruto, even with an ICC trial still going on, seems unable to keep his hands off "hot" land. Ideas etc. should be judged solely on merit. If one disagrees with the "hactivists", then one should present a case to that end. Similarly, if one believes that Kenyan voters are astute, on-the-ball types, then let's have a solid argument to that end. But just jumping up-and-down, ati the arrogant f**kers don't respect the elected leaders, blah, blah, blah .... that's way too weak. |
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Post by podp on May 20, 2015 8:54:22 GMT 3
teacher said .... banking education maintains and even stimulates the contradiction through the following attitudes and practices, which mirror oppressive society as a whole: . It is not surprising that the banking concept of education regards men as adaptable, manageable beings. The more students work at storing the deposits entrusted to them, the less they develop the critical consciousness which would result from their intervention in the world as transformers of that world. The more completely they accept the passive role imposed on them, the more they tend simply to adapt to the world as it is and to the fragmented view of reality deposited in them. www2.webster.edu/~corbetre/philosophy/education/freire/freire-2.htmlbut that system is still in place in quite a bit of Asia. Now, let's focus on the red, which is where the teacher who teaches teaching seems to be going. And let's do it without illusions that all are exactly the same, exactly equal, dot, dot, dot. The first thing that is obvious is that men are indeed adaptable and manageable beings. Very much so. It is not "nice" to have to admit it, but there it is. Anyone who suggests otherwise should have a solid argument against almost all of human history. (In the Kenyan context, there will soon be ring-side seats as they get adapted and managed for "our man and our people" in 2017. One can already feel the "excitement". Lemmings could not be more predictable.) Second: The notion of "arrogance" is an interesting one, and the sly & unhelpful "elitist" charge is duly noted. But there are some "unhappy" facts that must be dealt with. - But just jumping up-and-down, ati the arrogant f**kers don't respect the elected leaders, blah, blah, blah .... that's way too weak. well the system of education, in my view, has gotten worse i.e. more of banking that even our time. I will illustrate with the universities where I relate more with colleagues and say less on early childhood aka nursery in our days, primary and secondary schools. universities are now made to raise funds so for example university of nairobi has university enterprise services (UNES). UNES raises probably 50% of the revenue the university collects and hence has a large say on university running. my class when I was an undergraduate had less than 20 of us but now boasts of not less than 120 students per year. the 100 top up are called module 2 and have to pay for their education. facilities are still those of 20 students hence innovation requires that now students share. so while at my time we had oral exams to ensure we understood the concepts now a group of 6 students choose a team leader who does the oral on behalf of others and the mark is shared to all 6. something worse than banking is taking place in the executive degrees like MBA. here classes run into hundred and if you remember Taifa Hall it has became a favorite class with students sometimes listening from outside where loud speakers are placed so that they may hear what teacher is saying. and hence come project writing (our days thesis writing) we have 'consultants' who are connected with the students' supervisor. if they are not contracted and the minimum fee is kshs 70,000 to write one a passable project you can rest assured that the MBA student will have to repeat despite the ISO status of the university of nairobi. but I digress let us return to the red high light. when the dynamic duo aka PORK and deputy PORK was conducting interviews for the current cabinet secretaries the word that was going round was confirmed when they reported to their work station aka state departments. using the energy man aka chirchir as an example what he did when he landed in his 23rd office at nyayo house he went into overdrive. all the public service commission employees he ensured were removed from that wing where the Minister and the Permanent Secretary of yonder sat in their offices he brought 'trusted' personal assistants who became go betweens. so say a coal power plant at Lamu County is in the pipeline. the chinese investor would be made to name a price say kshs. 900 million. chirchir will see his counterpart in treasury and have a variation done to up the price to kshs. 1.2 billion. the chinese investor is then introduced to the go between and any payment one quarter will be delivered to chirchir so that at the end the investor gets his 900 M and chirchir his 300 M. a share of the latter is availed to the dynamic duo. on another thread Jakaswaga talks of Mobutu and kleptocracy. there you have it in the dynamic duo sitting at the helm with a council of cabinet secretaries ensuring the cabinet meetings avails the targets every month. so where the system starts to crumble is when the cabinet secretaries enforce the mantra downwards. it worked magically with the principal secretaries but starts to unravel at the lower level. are men indeed adaptable and manageable beings? the philosopher in me asks and flatly refuses that all men are indeed adaptable and manageable beings. teacher gave a way out by first agreeing with what you wrote: "Oppression --overwhelming control -- is necrophilic; it is nourished by love of death, not life. The banking concept of education, which serves the interests of oppression, is also necrophilic. Based on a mechanistic, static, naturalistic, spatialized view of consciousness, it transforms students into receiving objects. It attempts to control thinking and action, leads women and men to adjust to the world, and inhibits their creative power. When their efforts to act responsibly are frustrated, when they find themselves unable to use their faculties, people suffer. "This suffering due to impotence is rooted in the very fact that the human has been disturbed." But the inability to act which people's anguish also causes them to reject their impotence, by attempting. . . .to restore [their] capacity to act. But can [they], and how?" www2.webster.edu/~corbetre/philosophy/education/freire/freire-2.html"Problem-posing" education, responding to the essence of consciousness --intentionality -- rejects communiques and embodies communication. It epitomizes the special characteristic of consciousness: being conscious of, not only as intent on objects but as turned in upon itself in a Jasperian split" --consciousness as consciousness of consciousness. Liberating education consists in acts of cognition, not transferals of information. It is a learning situation in which the cognizable object (far from being the end of the cognitive act) intermediates the cognitive actors -- teacher on the one hand and students on the other. Accordingly, the practice of problem-posing education entails at the outset that the teacher-student contradiction to be resolved. Dialogical relations -- indispensable to the capacity of cognitive actors to cooperate in perceiving the same cognizable object --are otherwise impossible. Indeed problem-posing education, which breaks with the vertical characteristic of banking education, can fulfill its function of freedom only if it can overcome the above contradiction. Through dialogue, the teacher-of-the-students and the students-of-the-teacher cease to exist and a new term emerges: teacher-student with students-teachers. |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on May 21, 2015 13:01:56 GMT 3
What does the word " hacktivist" mean?
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Post by kamalet on May 21, 2015 13:37:52 GMT 3
What does the word " hacktivist" mean? OO I guess I have to apologise for my Kamba accent....! |
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Post by kamalet on Jun 16, 2015 15:03:40 GMT 3
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Post by jakaswanga on Jun 16, 2015 20:14:41 GMT 3
I think you make a mistake Kamalet, These are regimes unfriendly to Washington, where the Americans use the NGO's as a fifth column, an instrument of the SD and pentagon. Those countries must of course shut down this spying rackets. Interesting case study in Cuba. However in a country like Kenya, there is no need to be hysterical against hactivists and NGOS funded by the West. Why not? The government of Kenya itself is the biggest NGO owned by Washington. The treasury is run by Bretton-Woods dyed-in the wools; the Presidency is an America's boy and an IMF blue-eyed toy-boy. The FBI has right of arrests, unrestricted official access to police files in the name of terrorism cooperation, and the KDF is a subsidiary of the Indian Ocean command of the American navy. You know like in modern Germany where the German intelligence services bug their own Chancellor on behalf of the Americans (in addition to spying on their own people on American orders against their own laws), I dare think the directors of Kenyan intelligence when they learn something new, report first to the Americans before they report to their local political bosses. And when orders conflict, they first obey the Americans, then ask the pardon of whoever the local jerk is who goes for commander in chief. That is the political science of a vassal state. Now the argument is: is Kenya a vassal state? I say Certified loyalty brings a bit of autonomy! |
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Post by kamalet on Jun 17, 2015 7:28:31 GMT 3
I think you make a mistake Kamalet, These are regimes unfriendly to Washington, where the Americans use the NGO's as a fifth column, an instrument of the SD and pentagon. Those countries must of course shut down this spying rackets. Interesting case study in Cuba. However in a country like Kenya, there is no need to be hysterical against hactivists and NGOS funded by the West. Why not? The government of Kenya itself is the biggest NGO owned by Washington. The treasury is run by Bretton-Woods dyed-in the wools; the Presidency is an America's boy and an IMF blue-eyed toy-boy. The FBI has right of arrests, unrestricted official access to police files in the name of terrorism cooperation, and the KDF is a subsidiary of the Indian Ocean command of the American navy. You know like in modern Germany where the German intelligence services bug their own Chancellor on behalf of the Americans (in addition to spying on their own people on American orders against their own laws), I dare think the directors of Kenyan intelligence when they learn something new, report first to the Americans before they report to their local political bosses. And when orders conflict, they first obey the Americans, then ask the pardon of whoever the local jerk is who goes for commander in chief. That is the political science of a vassal state. Now the argument is: is Kenya a vassal state? I say Certified loyalty brings a bit of autonomy! Jakaswanga Really? Have you not heard of NGOs in Kenya funded by the west for intelligence purposes? I could give you examples but then..... |
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Post by jakaswanga on Jun 17, 2015 11:24:19 GMT 3
I think you make a mistake Kamalet, These are regimes unfriendly to Washington, where the Americans use the NGO's as a fifth column, an instrument of the SD and pentagon. Those countries must of course shut down this spying rackets. Interesting case study in Cuba. However in a country like Kenya, there is no need to be hysterical against hactivists and NGOS funded by the West. Why not? The government of Kenya itself is the biggest NGO owned by Washington. The treasury is run by Bretton-Woods dyed-in the wools; the Presidency is an America's boy and an IMF blue-eyed toy-boy. The FBI has right of arrests, unrestricted official access to police files in the name of terrorism cooperation, and the KDF is a subsidiary of the Indian Ocean command of the American navy. You know like in modern Germany where the German intelligence services bug their own Chancellor on behalf of the Americans (in addition to spying on their own people on American orders against their own laws), I dare think the directors of Kenyan intelligence when they learn something new, report first to the Americans before they report to their local political bosses. And when orders conflict, they first obey the Americans, then ask the pardon of whoever the local jerk is who goes for commander in chief. That is the political science of a vassal state. Now the argument is: is Kenya a vassal state? I say Certified loyalty brings a bit of autonomy! Jakaswanga Really? Have you not heard of NGOs in Kenya funded by the west for intelligence purposes? I could give you examples but then..... Kamalet, Ah, I remember Francis Kimemia outlining something to that effect in relation to the Owallo issue! But since he did not put his money where his mouth was, and he was the man in the thick of intelligence, I just yawned. If any local organisation spies for a foreign power, that is of course treason. No two ways about that. |
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