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Post by emali on Apr 11, 2013 19:21:31 GMT 3
Everyone will understand why Raila did not attend the inauguration after the Supreme Court renders its written opinion and definitely when the media gets around to reporting certain known facts; that could be soon, later or decades from now but the truth shall be known. Omwenga,For those who have been around for a while, do not any way find Raila's posturing and behavior in this instance as being inconsistent with what he has done in the past. Indeed it would have been very surprising to some of us to see him at Kasarani as that would have revealed a totally transformed man to the amazement of many. I therefore take the view that regardless of what the Supreme Court says or does not say, as long as the decision never favored Raila, it is foolhardy for anyone to have expected cuddling from Raila. That is just not his style. My joy at this time is, the new generation of politicians have mastered his game, and have come up with very lethal counter strategies as we just witnessed. Yet the man has refused to undergo any form of renewal. I still see Raila today where I saw him at Thika Municipal Stadium in 1996 in a tussle with the late Wamalwa Kijana. mwalimumkuuI will give you that...unless one is delusional or in denial its quite obvious Uhuruto thumped CORD in every conceivable way (possibly unconstitutional ways too)...so Mwalimumkuu enjoy your victory and if your slithering duo keep their form it could be for another two decades but don’t keep your hopes too high because conversely it could even be less than five years...that’s how fragile their union is... As for Raila I don’t want to write his obituary just yet...he is a fighter and I hope he figures it out, simply put Uhuruto ran circles around him and he assisted them in his own defeat, using Jukwaa as a microcosm of our national playing field on one side you have Omwenga breaking world records for the wrongness of his prognostications (no offense buddy)and on the other side you have the wily, never can pin down, provocateur Kamalet..,it was a massacre of biblical proportions...YES Raila was humbled... As for your slithering duo...they sold water to a whale...they even have grown men believing giving laptops to class 1’s is a good idea...maybe the class 8’s who will simply ‘borrow’ them from day 1 hatched that idea! And using Jukwaa as a microcosm again even our own B6K nowadays sounds like you (no offence buddies) so YES again more power to you... BUT Some of us can’t be fooled by this Uhuruto wave...a leopard can’t change it’s spots even with a digital screensaver...this Interview by the Rev Njoya in its entirety (thanks @ merkeju) is very telling about why I believe what I’m writing... Ultimately Jubilee can’t /won’t give the people what they want…ownership of their own country. They already campaigned against the constitution, their DNA is built on KANU politics and their interests are first to ensure the status quo prevails…that won’t change no matter how many bones they throw the rest of us…
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Post by emali on Apr 10, 2013 20:49:42 GMT 3
There is a reason why there is an "I" in ICC acronym. The "International" means that the court's mandate cuts across all continents. That is easy to say until you take stock of all the cases that the court has handled since inception. All have targeted Africans. Have there been crimes committed in other continents that qualify to be "crimes against humanity"? Yes. Has ICC raised a finger about it? NO. Is it by chance that only Africans are being tried in ICC? NO. Targetting Africans? The majority of the Africans there were sent by their fellow Africans! See this, on another thread: HOW PEOPLE GOT TO THE ICC: DEMYSTIFYING THE "COURT TARGETS AFRICANS!" CLAIM:Cases: Joseph Kony, Vincent Otti, Okot Odhiambo and Dominic Ongwen* Referred to the court by the President of Uganda. (At the time no African countries complained.) Cases: Thomas Lubanga Dyilo, Germain Katanga, Bosco Ntaganda, Mathieu Ngudjolo Chui, Sylvestre Mudacumura* Ref erred to the court by the President of the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) (At the time no African countries complained.) Cases: Jean-Pierre Bemba Gombo * Referred to the court by the Government of the Central African Republic. (At the time no African countries complained.) Cases: Laurent Gbagbo, Simone Gbagbo* Prosecutor's initiative. But note that (a) Ivory Coast is not even a signatory to the statute, but it handed jurisdiction to the ICC, and (b) the Prosecutor took steps only after getting a letter from its president, with the specific request for "the assistance of the court in order to ensure that the perpetrators would not go unpunished". (At the time no African countries complained.) Cases: Saif Al-Islam Gaddafi, Abdullah Al-Senussi* Referred to the court by the UN Security Council. But note that, with the Libyan Government mounting an Admissibility challenge, the two are fighting hard to be sent to the Hague. (No African country is complaining about their request) Cases: Sudan* Referred to the court by the UN Security Council In the face numerous ongoing atrocities that we all know about. Cases: Kenya* Prosecutor's initiative. But we know of the process that started with Waki and ended with the infamous cry "Let's not be vague! Let's go to the Hague!" Cases: Mali* Referred to the court by the government of Mali. (No African country has complained about that.) Yes, it does seem that way. Shall we discuss the 5+ million dead in the Congo, the continuing rapes, mutilations, etc that are still going on there? As for "savious", all we need do is consider a very basic matter---the ability to feed oneself. How many times do people die from starvation during famine in Kenya? How many times do we fail to plan for drought and then wail to the "international community" to "do something" and save us? Look, Africa needs to be rid of the monsters that Africans call leaders. How that is done, whether it is "skewed", ... doesn't matter; it is to our benefit. Or are you suggesting that those monsters be left alone until others in other parts of the world are also caught? Rather that howls of "we are being targeted!", how about Africans themselves do something about the continuing dire state of African and Afrians? Excellent Rejoinder ;D
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Post by emali on Apr 10, 2013 20:22:58 GMT 3
@ OO Yes I do...some of us can be very naive,we don't how civil society works in Kenya but we are grateful that an Icon of civil society called Onyango Oloo exists to save us all from our Ignorance.... Now since we have cleared that out of the way...can you please explain to me where all the hate against civil society is coming from? Emali Suggesting that it is all about Uhuruto to bash civil society, then by implication you suggest that they get bashed because they were supporting Raila. Whilst there are suggestions of a partisan civil society, I think the problem is a lot more to do with failure to address their core business and becoming political outfits serving interests of others rather than the Kenyan people.. The fact that they have become vehicles of ideals that Kenyans are not relating with gets them seen as tools of neo colonialism. @ Kamalet Githongo says it very clearly in that article... { In the Kenyan imagination, ‘civil society’ does not mean non-governmental organisations (NGOs) involved in sanitation, water, health, famine relief etc.
‘Civil society’, to most people, refers to those mainly foreign funded NGOs involved in advocating for rights, tackling corruption, clamouring for and promoting the constitution – generally in the area that speaks to the way Kenya is governed.}And… {When President Moi handed over to Kibaki (a Gikuyu), the alliance started to crumble. As a tremendous reticence became apparent when it came to criticising the Kibaki regime, it quickly became clear that for some individuals in the alliance, Moi had been a target of attack not only because of his policies and what his government stood for, but also because of his ethnicity.
To put it starkly, he was not Gikuyu.}But the current ‘hate’ we are seeing right now started once the ICC confirmations happened i.e. once Uhuruto started using it as the core vehicle for their campaigns…I guess according to you (& other Uhuruto supporters) the CIPEV, Waki report,’don’t be vague lets go to the Hague’ that led to the confirmations were as a result of ‘serving the interests of others’ and ‘tools for neocoloniolism’… Civil society just like any other organization has its bad apples but no one is mentioning these bad apples…apparently the entire Civil Society is rotten…please, tell that to the birds! And stop trying to throw Raila in their…not everyone against Uhuruto is for Raila…we can only hope this ‘hate’ was a campaign motivation…now since we have the pair in Statehouse we will see…at the rate at which they have gobbled up every avenue for opposition I’m doubtful the hate campaign will cease….
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Post by emali on Apr 8, 2013 20:04:51 GMT 3
Emali:You think this is all about Uhuru? How sad. Onyango Oloo @ OO Yes I do...some of us can be very naive,we don't how civil society works in Kenya but we are grateful that an Icon of civil society called Onyango Oloo exists to save us all from our Ignorance.... Now since we have cleared that out of the way...can you please explain to me where all the hate against civil society is coming from?
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Post by emali on Apr 8, 2013 19:47:27 GMT 3
If its not pro-Uhuru its bad...that's whats killing the civil society in Kenya...just look at those comments in the star you would think Githongo was a serial killer...
I still don't get this fascination with Uhuruto & the hate for everything that's against them...just as Raila pointed out one is a habitual weed smoker & the other was habitually in court...very TRUE statements...maybe thats the reason he was hated so much I guess, for you cannot call it like it is when it comes to Uhuruto you have to nod your head and say respect Kenya's wishes ;D what a joke
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Post by emali on Mar 20, 2013 23:23:53 GMT 3
Raila has his faults which have been discussed ad nausem here on Jukwaa by many objective and subjective posters including myself, it’s safe to say the man is far from perfect...but I wouldn’t go so far as to say he is a victim of his own failures...I lean more to what mugabe is intimating... If we didn’t have the ethnic card and the ‘mademoni’ in our politics and it was all about issues I would buy the line that Raila is a victim of his own failures...how exactly was Raila going to win based on our ethnic voting patterns? Raila won in 2007 the only difference today is that he doesn’t have the Kalenjin vote, he was still the same politician prone to gaffes then as he is today. Uhuruto won simply because of the tyranny of numbers, the fact that they were better organised than CORD, had more money & better Rhetoric simply padded their numbers, the election was long lost & if Raila had turned to Obama he still would have lost. The more damning question the proves Raila’s failures have nothing to do with winning or losing an election is this...If Raila was the one facing the ICC with all factors held constant would he have been able to run and win the presidency? Not in a million years & neither would anyone else but Uhuru thanks to his lineage, numbers, PEV and the political/economical elite that run this Country... If we look at it closely its EVENTS that makes a PORK, Kenyatta came in with all the Euphoria of Independence, Moi came in due to Kenyatta’s death & Kibaki came in when the dictatorial Moi had no other options left, Raila to his credit went against the trend but was robbed before we returned to the EVENTS scenario with the ICC/PEV pushing Uhuruto through...it all goes back to the numbers (the ‘right’ numbers or PEV) and EVENTS... I look at Raila and I don’t see a victim of his own failures what I see is a man who was simply not going to be elected because he didn’t have the numbers...If Raila was a Gikuyu we all know he would have been president after all Kibaki was a complete Joke in the early 90’s leaving KANU when everyone else had left, the fence sitter, general Kiguoya (s.p.) who looked anything but presidential...yet he was voted in by the biggest mandate to date... Raila will always have his place in Kenya’s history...I shudder to think if we didn’t have him...by now everyone including Kalonzo would have joined Jubilee just like Mudavadi did not do this week...he is needed to keep whoever is in power honest...yes he has his faults but he is always made to look worse than he is and sometimes it’s due to self inflicted wounds...
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Post by emali on Mar 11, 2013 18:56:52 GMT 3
OmwengaI have followed many of your posts and articles and though I have never agreed with most of them one thing is clear about you especially with your interactions with people here in Jukwaa...you seem like a very decent person,you don't get excessively animated when one disagrees with you...BUT at some point you will have to let go,Raila will not win this simply because we have seen this script before...if Raila was robbed I can bet you their will be no evidence in court,look at the ICC... Raila was built to be played in Kenyan politics...if he cheats the others cheat better,if he cries the others cry better,if he steals the others steal better,if he gets money the others have more money... Emali, I take what you've said as a complement for which I say thank you but hasten to add many of us do try to be decent even as we are miffed or don't agree with each other. There a re few cases of those incapable of doing so and those are the ones who give any board a bad name but thankfully they are not that many, at least as far as I am concerned. I hear what you're saying about Raila but what I can tell you based on facts and information I know, we are either likely going into a run-off or fresh presidential elections. There are several questions that loom large and you'll see something to this effect I'll post addressing some of them, one being the question of whether IEBC can be trusted to handle any election or should a special tribunal be appointed by the court working with the executive as I will advocate. Let me also say something based on what I know based on my several weeks in Kenya and that is, while it's possible for Raila to lose to ICC indictee Uhuru Kenyatta in an open and transparent election, that did not happen on March 4, 2013 as the evidence presented in court will clearly show. That being said, let's all await the court's decision which as I stated earlier must be consistent with the overwhelming evidence placed before it of massive rigging. OmwengaAt some point our courts will have to go against the ‘establishment’ in a strong way if we are ever going to move forward, this case by CORD is the type that could do such a thing but I have my doubts simply because to sustain Impunity you have to work harder than any law abiding citizen... If IEBC can’t be trusted what makes you think this special tribunal will be trusted? It’s not like the special tribunal will consist of Botswana citizens they will still be Kenyans... Kenyans are already tired of elections and most are focused on the difference between Jubilee & CORD in the final tally not the 50% + 1...the current CORD would never win a runoff against Jubilee for reasons I’m sure you will disagree but it is what it is... If CORD table’s hard evidence & wins the case I will be the first to come here & congratulate you but...well... agreed, let’s just wait for the case...
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Post by emali on Mar 11, 2013 17:39:03 GMT 3
Omwenga,And what happens if the SC see the matter differently? Will you accept their decision? The evidence is so overwhelming it's impossible for anyone not to see the outcome any differently unless they, too, are compromised, which at this time am willing and ready to the court is not compromised.I have blogged elsewhere how a loose mouth probably drunk was letting the world--those around him at some watering hole that let Raila not look to the courts for there is enough money to buy Uhuru the outcome he seeks there. And this person one of Uhuru's advisers I am told. Basi tungoje tu. OmwengaI have followed many of your posts and articles and though I have never agreed with most of them one thing is clear about you especially with your interactions with people here in Jukwaa...you seem like a very decent person,you don't get excessively animated when one disagrees with you...BUT at some point you will have to let go,Raila will not win this simply because we have seen this script before...if Raila was robbed I can bet you their will be no evidence in court,look at the ICC... Raila was built to be played in Kenyan politics...if he cheats the others cheat better,if he cries the others cry better,if he steals the others steal better,if he gets money the others have more money...
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Post by emali on Mar 11, 2013 16:55:50 GMT 3
Ok...I will take a closer look when I get the time... I have to run... I will share some stuff with you on PM tomorrow. Then you will see what I am saying. Sawa...but my main point still remains,how does this help CORD in court? did they not have this register? and if they did why complain after the elections? why not complain before? and if they did not have this register yet IEBC released it way before the elections whose fault is it?How can CORD prove that the numbers in the register are wrong? Their are many questions...we will just have to wait for the court case...
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Post by emali on Mar 11, 2013 16:10:17 GMT 3
I have seen both registers and they do not match at all, the differences (additions/subtractions) are small though mostly <1%... No one is making me believe what I’m reading online, I remember watching the Kalonzo presser & I kept asking myself what had I missed because Hassan had said any constituency with over 100% turnout would be cancelled, but Kalonzo only got the Kajiado numbers right (based on the old register) the rest were all wrong...it was easier to believe Hassan... It doesn’t change the fact the CORD better have solid evidence against IEBC in court... No. Unfortunately you have not studied the data. Or you are looking at the wrong things in the wrong places. There are significant differences in many constituencies (I am talking 30%). Seeing as this matter may come up, perhaps we revisit it in that context.I think that CORD can win the case without even bringing this up, even though this alone will do. That tells you the extent of malfeasance. Ok...I will take a closer look when I get the time...
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Post by emali on Mar 11, 2013 15:48:20 GMT 3
Alot of people seemed to have used the 18th Dec numbers (me included)...it will be.... I think it would be great if you spent some time with the two registers and examined them critically for yourself. One lesson I have learnt over the years is NEVER to be convinced by what anyone says on-line. NEVER. Almost everything went wrong with this election process... with the exception of Isaack Hassan announcing the winners as if he had won himself and now mis-using public money to convince Kenyans to accept the result when there is constitutional and legal freedom to disagree! I have seen both registers and they do not match at all, the differences (additions/subtractions) are small though mostly <1%... No one is making me believe what I’m reading online, I remember watching the Kalonzo presser & I kept asking myself what had I missed because Hassan had said any constituency with over 100% turnout would be cancelled, but Kalonzo only got the Kajiado numbers right (based on the old register) the rest were all wrong...it was easier to believe Hassan... It doesn’t change the fact the CORD better have solid evidence against IEBC in court...
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Post by emali on Mar 11, 2013 14:10:27 GMT 3
The complaints were actually not wrong only that they were not acted upon by IEBC. If one has time, please check through the results declared by the Commission, especially the number of registered voters, and compare the list of registered voters per constituency as released in December 2012. For instance, the Kajiado South constituency that Kalonzo had referred to was said to have 42,000 voters who had turned out vote against 46,000 who are registered. But when you check the IEBC register released in December, Kajiado South had 41,040 registered voters. Clearly, those who voted were more than the OFFICIAL number of registered voters. There are very many more of such cases which will come out during the SC hearing. IEBC reconfirmed the numbers for Kajiado as 46218 in their final register publication on 24th February 2013 (http://www.iebc.or.ke/index.php/media-center/press-releases/4) as opposed to the figure that was being shown on the constituency tracker of 41000. The point is that if these are the basis of arguments, then it is pointless going to court. The problem I see with all this argument is that IEBC published the final registers a few weeks before the elections and asked people to confirm their details. I do not think anyone has a leg to stand on for using provisional registration figures as their basis of argument as is the case here! Alot of people seemed to have used the 18th Dec numbers (me included)...it will be Interesting to see what CORD have...I would hope CORD doesn't end up embarassing itself... I love movies..courtroom dramas especially...in the movie A Few good Men...their was one particular line where the Iconic Colonel Jessup was being cross examined by Lt Kaffe as to why Santiago (the murdered Marine) wasn't packed prior to leaving the base,he was apparently going to be 'transfered' as claimed by Jessup & his surbodinates... Kafee had provided phone calls of who Jessup called prior to attending the trail (intimating that Santiago called no one yet he should have been elated to be granted his wish of leaving & call family/friends) & described how Santiago wasn't packed yet he desperately wanted to leave the base...Jessup with his typical smug attitude replied ... Now, are these the questions I was really called here to answer? Phone calls and foot lockers? Please tell me that you have something more, Lieutenant. These two Marines are on trial for their lives. Please tell me their lawyer hasn't pinned their hopes to a phone bill. ;D CORD had better have more than what Kalonzo provided, they had better make sure Jubilee/IEBC ordered the Code Red...personally I thought the last few constituencies that IEBC commisioners announced need verification especially Emurua Dikirr where Jubilee thrashed CORD by close to 90% yet the two coalitions had spilt every constituency in Narok County almost on a 50% to 50% basis...but that's just me...CORD had better have some solid evidence...IMHO IEBC did a decent Job,Hassan was taking no prisoners in his briefings,it's not easy running such an operation with close to 300,000 staff & literally six elections at one go...I don't see the Judges reprimanding IEBC unless CORD has a very very very strong case...
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Post by emali on Mar 9, 2013 13:56:19 GMT 3
@ Otishotish I think @ patriotism101 has spoken well and I particularly like @ Jakaswanga’s analogy with our current situation mimicking the Algerian one because I thought the same exact thing last night when the four or five tired IEBC commissioners came out to read the final numbers (wakenya wamelala!) that tilted this kinyanganyiro to Uhuru...there was no way this was going to a second round based on .01% difference not in Kenya.... Don’t despair too much though I must say I fully understand your feelings, I actually envy it because Kenya is ‘corruptible’, come back here for an extended period of time & I doubt you would be this upset...for us who are here in Kenya this was not a surprise (the Uhuruto win)...it was going to go only but one way...with the Moi boys & the ‘constitutional monarchy’ back, KANU is on its way to a 100 years...if it was not Uhuruto it would have been Uhurulonzo and instead of West Pokot leading the nation in Voter turnout of 97%(figure that one out) it would have been Marsabit,instead of Mombasa leading the Nation in least voter turnout it would have been Busia thanks to some cross border skirmish... It’s one step at a time...I was planning on going to Meru Tomorrow and I will be able to go, if Raila won I doubt I could be able to make that trip...so we keep on moving...when I was standing in line to vote the gentleman behind me was a TNA supporter & he strongly kept extolling the virtues of Jubilee & how they were a Godsend, he had actually read the manifesto because I didn’t know about Jubilees plan for 24/7,365 day Border patrol... to the point I had to ‘silence him gently’...if Uhuruto can give the ICC a run for its money what chance did this dude have...if they can’t you get psychologically they will get you ‘legally’ like some poor sod found out.... jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7766&page=2So Otis keep us updated on the ICC & the don’t disappear too much, I always like well thought out missives and you had a lot of that...
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Post by emali on Mar 5, 2013 13:43:14 GMT 3
Is there a website that breaks down the total votes counted by constituency & what %? that would help because right now it looks like Jubilee may garner anywhere from 52-56% but we cant be sure at all... Anyway I hope this thing is over by a significant majority prefferably above 54% I don't want all this court cases and god forbid a second round...I've had enough of this stuff... It was quite telling last night when Ruto came out (bendera nyuma yake) practising his victory speach with 10% of the vote counted...sounding & looking very presidential ;D...that was hilarious...just get this thing done. Emali I am totally with you on election fatigue. It would be great if we don't have to go through this whole process again in a month's time. Try this site: vote.iebc.or.ke/Ruto was being a typical African politician. So long as things are going your way then democracy has won. If not, off to the streets @ B6k Thanks... This electoral fatigue is too much & more importantly lets say Jubillee ends up with 50%, Amani stays at 3% & CORD at 43% what is the point of a runoff? nothing will change best scenario for CORD they end up with 46% this time the spoilt votes wont mean anything...a waste of money & a waste of time....this election was already a runoff!
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Post by emali on Mar 5, 2013 13:32:04 GMT 3
B6k/NowayhahaThis misstatement my Issack is causing quite some confusion. Some help from the constitution: (4) A candidate shall be declared elected as President if the candidate receives— (a) more than half of all the votes cast in the election; and (b) at least twenty-five per cent of the votes cast in each of more than half of the counties. Votes must first be cast, then counted to arrive at the number where they are more than half of all votes cast in that election. Spoilt (or rejected)votes are not counted as they cannot be assigned any specific candidate. So if 10,561,612 votes are cast and counted, the winner shall be the one with 5,280,807 votes which are more than half of the 10,561,612 votes. I hope this is helpful! I think the key words here are CAST VOTES not cast and counted...that explains why Hassan is insisting on the 'spoilt votes' being part of the tally...I would hope the man knows what he is saying...
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Post by emali on Mar 5, 2013 13:08:23 GMT 3
Based on clarifications from IEBC press conference the rejected votes count in the calculation of the 50% +1 votes which will determine an outright winner or a run off. He insisted this is what the law entails Nowayhaha, that means the figures the IEBC are posting on the screen at Bomas are off somewhat. UK will be at 51% while Raila drops to 38% of votes cast (& counted) including the rejected ones.... Is there a website that breaks down the total votes counted by constituency & what %? that would help because right now it looks like Jubilee may garner anywhere from 52-56% but we cant be sure at all... Anyway I hope this thing is over by a significant majority prefferably above 54% I don't want all this court cases and god forbid a second round...I've had enough of this stuff... It was quite telling last night when Ruto came out (bendera nyuma yake) practising his victory speach with 10% of the vote counted...sounding & looking very presidential ;D...that was hilarious...just get this thing done.
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Post by emali on Mar 4, 2013 1:54:16 GMT 3
Our socio-political culture defines the rule of law rather loosely, anyone can be above the law and ones wherewithal determines when or how they can be above the law, after all who really respects the law? Not our politicians, cops and certainly not most of us, the respect of the law only comes in when the cost/benefit is not in our favour which explains why the only people of means in our recent history who have gone to prison are political detainees! What a bunch of law abiding citizens we are, so I would like to trumpet the Kenya is the best country in the world mantra but I can’t because its common sense that we are not and because I have travelled abit in my time and seen other peoples socio-political culture and I see us wanting in many areas...
I see @ Kamalet is a Private sector man, I fully understand him because truth be told being in private business in Kenya is the best thing in the world, better than anywhere no matter how ‘developed’ the country is...the assumption being whatever business it is, it is profitable and if it requires some stringent laws to operate you have the ‘connections’ or rather you can ‘buy’ the connections because with a little ingenuity you can pay off cops, make deals with KRA folks & pretty much create your own rules (within reason) without stepping the toes of a more ‘powerful’ version of yourself in Mr/s X who will make you understand you aren’t all that after all...I’m not saying there are no honest business people it’s just that we have a ‘wild west’ mentality permeating the private sector and it goes back to the fluid nature in which laws are dis/ respected...
The same culture is what is fuelling Uhuruto to the presidency...all you have to do is ask around and see the views of Apolitical people about Uhuruto’s running facing ICC charges, you will be surprised or not because as a matter of law or Integrity or morality, they don’t think it’s a bad idea because they would do it themselves if they were in their shoes! And it has nothing to do with ethnicity...
The problem with this culture is that it won’t take us far in fact if you want to see where we are headed from a socio/economic perspective ...looking for a European equivalent, its Greece...notwithstanding their great historical past in virtually everything, today they are broke...dead broke! and how did they get their? Having very Kenyan habits that’s how...everyone has a business, no one pays their taxes, everyone thinks everyone else is ‘crooked’, overpaying public sector employees, playing around with the figures of the national budget and good old corruption...Well no one wants that comparison we would rather be compared to the brilliant Germans but why are the Germans the best because very simply put they follow rules! Nothing to do with the much fabled Aryan pedigree...
So going into the elections I hope anyone but Uhuruto win, because I know where this train is headed even if they beat the ICC charges their focus is bells and whistles nothing concrete and the benefits will be short term...because how they have run their campaign is as ‘Kenyan’ as it gets but they are not 3000 Meter steeplechasers which is the only discipline we lead the world...
Question to you @ Kamalet...what do you mean by ‘activist driven as to make it impractical to implement’…I see this ‘activist’ word thrown around a lot but I don’t quite get it…the CJ is an activist,XYZ is an activist etc I have never understood that & I see it a lot in the print media and it seems to always have a negative connotation…
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Post by emali on Feb 25, 2013 15:50:57 GMT 3
kamaletLet me rain on your parade just a little bit…and I stress the ‘little bit’ part because like I told you way back when you are very good at what you do, a professional really…I threw in my towel eons ago when it comes to this propaganda stuff because you have the market cornered… I see you have ratcheted up the Rhetoric on the anti-ODM angle in the last week and in the next seven days you will steadily cool off before re-emerging on the results day to unleash the coup de grace… Just like your claims about ODM walking a familiar path…so are you… To remind you a tad I dug up the archives kidogo and landed on this gem…the election results of 2007…You just couldn’t help it could you? jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1518&page=31There is enough material their to show you why Raila should be concerned so no need for the histrionics… Your first reaction to the obviously rigged results announcing Kibaki’s victory was to stand up arms akimbo on the MV Kazi Inedelee Dubya style and announced Mission accomplished… The late Kasuku posted the ‘results’… Kibaki Winner
Kibaki 4,584,721
Raila 4,352,993
we are devastated
Kamalet duly responded… Take heart. It is only an election and Kenya will continue to be the good old country it has been!So no need for the new threads and Shenanigans …and just to prempt you I apologize for attacking the man Kamalet instead on focusing on the issue at hand! Emali As you can see I am annoyingly consistent! The election was won fairly and squarely by Kibaki as I predicted and insisted he would! You guys were stuck with elections allegedly stolen at KICC and it took Kriegler to say no rigging took place at KICC but elsewhere....and I actually can point at where the ODM people tried to steal it! That does not change the fact that then ODM was reading the Dick Morris book and they have just realised the situation is the same as was last time and hence the same strategy! Don't ever wonder how difficult it was for Kibaki to win it in comparison with what Uhuru is faced with? Why would you then imagine that it will benot be very difficult for Raila to win it this time? @ Kamalet Like I said ...the only thing you are consistent on is propaganda, you will always be ‘right’...whatever it is that you are against you will always find the grey area and run away with an Hypothesis that suits your position... Off course many people can do that but no one can do it as well as you do it...So ‘Kibaki won fairly & squarely’ right? What is your definition of Kibaki and Won and fairly and squarely? No need to answer that because you will find the grey area... This situation is not the same as the last one...there are many differences, ICC court cases/Scared Uhuruto not Careless Kibaki/Kibaki was DOA vs. Uhuruto having a strong heartbeat/ECK vs. IEBC etc...But I’m sure you have a hypothesis for why it’s the same.. . How difficult was it for Kibaki when you can just rig the final result? Off course it will be difficult for Raila to win but he can’t force the country’s hand even if he wanted to... Again like I said Kamalet you are good at what you do...I didn’t have to respond to you, I could have just said ‘why bother’ as my response to your post but I instead wrote the whole stuff above to tell you what you already know...
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Post by emali on Feb 25, 2013 15:06:04 GMT 3
kamaletLet me rain on your parade just a little bit…and I stress the ‘little bit’ part because like I told you way back when you are very good at what you do, a professional really…I threw in my towel eons ago when it comes to this propaganda stuff because you have the market cornered… I see you have ratcheted up the Rhetoric on the anti-ODM angle in the last week and in the next seven days you will steadily cool off before re-emerging on the results day to unleash the coup de grace… Just like your claims about ODM walking a familiar path…so are you… To remind you a tad I dug up the archives kidogo and landed on this gem…the election results of 2007…You just couldn’t help it could you? jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1518&page=31There is enough material their to show you why Raila should be concerned so no need for the histrionics… Your first reaction to the obviously rigged results announcing Kibaki’s victory was to stand up arms akimbo on the MV Kazi Inedelee Dubya style and announced Mission accomplished… The late Kasuku posted the ‘results’… Kibaki Winner
Kibaki 4,584,721
Raila 4,352,993
we are devastated
Kamalet duly responded… Take heart. It is only an election and Kenya will continue to be the good old country it has been!So no need for the new threads and Shenanigans …and just to prempt you I apologize for attacking the man Kamalet instead on focusing on the issue at hand!
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Post by emali on Feb 25, 2013 13:30:09 GMT 3
The arrest of 'Victor Owuor' tells you all you need to know about why the CJ had to make public the threat he received...
Kimemia/NSIS/Mademoni are all campaigning...I wonder what would happen if CORD wins? would they really accept it....Just like Ngunyi back in 07 had his doubts I have mine...
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Post by emali on Feb 20, 2013 22:48:23 GMT 3
So Uhuruto’s school of thought is that they will only take part in a debate whose conditions they can dictate! Either they are only running to avoid the trails or they believe they already have ‘the numbers’ and couldn’t be bothered to show up for the debate...
Either way Uhuruto is a campaign I hope fails miserably come March 4th...they don’t inspire any confidence, this is a harbinger of things to come if they win...’we will only do what we want not what is in the best interests of the country’...
Uhuruto seem to be sabotaging their own campaign...
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Post by emali on Feb 18, 2013 16:13:54 GMT 3
Miguna seems to always draw attention for one reason or the other but I wouldnt necessarily call him nuts...because if I was to call him nuts what will I call @ Phil?
Actually it is possible Miguna is telling the 100% truth...some of these 'goons' are capable of anything you just have to magnify @philx2 & you have what Miguna is alleging...
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Post by emali on Feb 14, 2013 16:54:29 GMT 3
Otis/Kamalet thanks for keeping us updated...
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Post by emali on Feb 6, 2013 10:05:31 GMT 3
This Waiganjo story will go nowhere...Iteere himself already pleaded his ‘innocence’, the ‘commissions’ work is done and now the courts will deal with him...Waiganjo will keep milking it,Kibaki won’t do anything, Kenyans will soon forget & the Police force will continue with its disservice... As usual while Raila was out of the Country (they love this trick) Kibaki & his handlers appoint Muhuro and some questionable characters...its business as usual... Just checking, what became of the Raila-Waiganjo meeting? I don't know...did I give you any inclination I was anyones secretary? as your favourite presidential aspirant would say...Kwani Waiganjo ni mamayako?
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Post by emali on Feb 6, 2013 10:01:21 GMT 3
I don’t think we are ready at all...
The IEBC seems to be operating on a Utopian scenario....they believe all voting will be done by 6PM and results will start rolling out as soon as 6.30 and all results will be in latest after 48 hours. How will they achieve this with twice the workload and in the same 12 hour period allotted in past elections?..
If Uhuruto are not barred and go ahead and win the election the only people who won’t be shocked will be themselves because few people I’ve met believe they will win while I see them virtually at the doorstep...people are in denial and these guys are busy kicking doors and taking names ...that is a dangerous scenario...
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