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Post by mzee on Aug 1, 2011 23:05:09 GMT 3
jakaswanga I understand you and I like your comparison of Senior Private Ochuka and Dedan Kimathi. The colonialists turned Kenya into one big prison just as Kenyatta and Moi after them.
Kamales claim that the attempt to remove Moi by force was unconstitutional is a joke of the highest order. That could be true, but was there a constitutional means of removing the dictator? Was there a constitutional means of removing the colonial government? The answer is NO.
Ochukas actions were a direct result of dictatorship by Moi. Brigadier Omondis actions were as a result of Kenyattas oppression. I’m certain that if Kibaki tries sticking to power after 2012 people won’t hesitate to violently overthrow him.
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Post by mzee on Aug 1, 2011 23:07:48 GMT 3
Mzee When wakoloni refused to grant independence, or a referendum like SSudan to determine if we want freedom, then force is the answer. Kweli kabisa
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Post by mugabe on Aug 1, 2011 23:38:17 GMT 3
Mank
Thanks. Very interesting piece.
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Post by einstein on Aug 2, 2011 1:19:21 GMT 3
Ex-soldiers to tell their story on 1982 coup bid By NYAMBEGA GISESA engisesa@yahoo.com Posted Sunday, July 31 2011 at 19:41Did the government deliberately fail to stop the 1982 coup attempt? This is the question as military officers sacked over the botched coup attempt prepare to appear before the Truth Justice and Reconciliation Commission (TJRC). The officers are expected to explain the August 1, 1982, revolt and its aftermath. “They are claiming that they were tortured, never given a fair hearing, dismissed and that the government had a hand in the coup,” TJRC chief executive Patricia Nyaundi said. To be notified Former soldiers claimed during recent TJRC hearings that the coup attempt could not have happened without blessings from the top. “They have named senior officials in their statements and memorandum and we will summon them when the right time comes to state whether they were involved or not,” Ms Nyaundi said. She declined to name the accused, saying they will have to be notified first. A memorandum handed over to the TJRC by the Victims of the 1982 Coup Attempt Welfare Association accuses the Moi regime of intentionally allowing a mutiny in the Air Force to get grounds for disbanding the unit. “The Moi-Kanu Government knew about the imminent coup and chose not to stop it, occasioning great damage in terms of life and property,” the memorandum reads in part. TJRC has recorded statements from over 500 former soldiers, out of the 1,423 dismissed from the forces. During the Court Martial hearings, there were hints that the government ignored warnings on the coup attempt. “After investigation, we learnt that the Government had been warned when the plotters started arming themselves. Nothing was done. “I don’t know why,” Maj-Gen (Rtd) Joseph Mbyati Musomba, the chairman of the Court Martial that tried the rebel soldiers, said in 2008. Another troubling question is why Criminal Investigation Department (CID) officers sent to investigate and arrest the coup plotters failed to do so. There were plansSenior sources in the military and government, who attended a meeting in Nyeri in 1982, told Nation on July 31, 2010 that President Moi was aware of the coup attempt. “Everybody who needed to know knew that there were plans for a coup and the leaders were known,” Lt-Gen (retired) Humphrey Njoroge said. “After the opening ceremonies of the Nyeri ASK Show on Friday, July 30, 1982, the chief of intelligence, James Kanyotu, asked President Moi for authority to arrest Sgt Joseph Ogidi, Cpl Charles Oriwa, Cpl Walter Ojode and Cpl Bramwel Njereman from the then Kenya Air Force, Nanyuki Station. He also wanted to arrest others from other KAF bases.” The arrests never took place. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Ex+soldiers+to+tell+their+story+on+1982+coup+bid+/-/1064/1211232/-/v82eidz/-/index.html
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Post by einstein on Aug 2, 2011 1:34:35 GMT 3
Ochuka family’s 26-year search for justiceBy DAVID OCHAMI Today 29 years ago, Kenya awoke to the news of a coup de tat staged by junior officers of the Kenya Air Force. But the families of officers who were hanged while in jail are demanding justice to be done. They are looking for documentation relating to the deaths of their loved ones to enable them inherit the property they owned before the coup failed. The plotters had formed a military junta - the Peoples Redemption Council (RPC) - chaired by Senior Private Hezekiah Rabala Ochuka with Senior Private Pancras Oteyo Okumu as his deputy. For the family of Ochuka, there is yet to be a closure to this matter in the legal and cultural sense. "There were rumours that the families of others who were hanged with him received their clothes. We did not receive anything," laments Robert Onyango Akuro, Ochuka’s nephew whose relentless search for his uncle’s legacy and legal status finally took him before the Truth, Justice and Reconciliation Commission (TJRC) last month. Ochuka’s memory has been sustained in his rural Nyakach District by fables and myths of when and how this man was actually hanged. Others hanged with Ochuka, who would be 58 years today, included Injene Injeremani, Miraso Odawa, Odira Ojode and Odera Obedi Chesoli. Ochuka and Okumu were extradited from Tanzania in 1983. The other PRC members were captured in Nairobi and around the country on diverse dates after the August 2 1982 coup attempt. On July 18 Akuro, whose memory of Private Ochuka is derived from his brief encounters with his uncle and tales by his father Enock Akuro, emerged to publicly ask the Government for information on the matter. He recounted the ordeal the family has gone through in their determination for a full disclosure on Ochuka, how he was extradited from Tanzania and how they can get legal proof of death in order to perform cultural death rites and pursue the deceased’s estate or transfer his assets. "Upto now we are waiting for the document (proving he was hanged)," he told The Standard. He says the execution was done at Kamiti Maximum Security Prison "around mid 1985." Some family members even "cling to the hope that Ochuka is alive." However, Akuro believes Ochuka was hanged based on information smuggled by a warder at Kamiti in 1985. "According to our customs we are supposed to give him a burial and there are some rituals which must be done." According to Akuro during his brief exile, Ochuka maintained contact with the family through an uncle - Were who then lived in Tanzania. But some relatives invented rumours that Ochuka actually left jail and was living in Tanzania. There also have been phantom tales about sightings of Ochuka. Akuro claims the family has been a victim of profiteering by human rights agencies. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000039967&cid=4&ttl=Ochuka family’s 26-year search for justice
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Post by ebarasi on Aug 2, 2011 3:16:10 GMT 3
How can anyone who wants regime change in means other than constitutional be defined as a hero? All I know is that in 1982 Moi was definitely a better president than he was in 1992. I also know that Moi became the paranoid dictator he ended up being after 1982! Kamalet, Now for the first time that we have a constitution (real) which constitution did you really feel loyalty to so as to talk about constitutionality?
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Post by adongo23456 on Aug 3, 2011 17:34:50 GMT 3
Folks,
This topic never gets away and every time people just invent more things. All I know is that the good comrades (warts and all) were hanged in Kamiti in 1987. I remember the day like it was yesterday. I was in Kamiti Medium and the guys up for killing were in Kamiti Maximum.
The day they hang people they lock down both medium and max. The only prisoners allowed outside are the ones who go to bury them in some unmarked graves in the farm. They do the graves the day before and all the ones doing the burial are kept in their jail cells and given a lot of food. The grave diggers are always from medium. The day they kill prisoners almost every prisoner hardly talks. It is a reminder how helpless they are when they know folks are being dropped down the hole with ropes on their necks. The prisoners look terribly sad the day they know the killings are happening.
The story on the block is that the Kamiti hanging equipment never really worked that well. The folks dropped down still alive and that is where they meet prison guards with sledge hammers who finish them off in furious blasts to the head.
I was the guy in charge of cleaning the clothes for the guards in both prisons. I started as a regular washer but the crazy guard who ran the show figured I was smart enough to actually manage the whole thing. So instead of washing I was organizing the whole operation. After the killing the one thing I did not want to do was touch any cloths of the guards who actually had to bludgeon the comrades to the death. It was two very sad days for us.
Now as to what actually happened before or during the coup I have always taken the fifth and will continue to do so until stuff can be declassified but I know this. Moi was a brutal thug and dictator before and after the coup.
If there is one thing I take pride in, it is the fact that as the Secretary General of SONU I with comrades David Murathe and Onyango Akello (C.A) took a memorandum sanctioned by the students to the gates of State House demanding that Moi holds a national referendum to ask Kenyans whether they want to have a one party state or NOT. We were very sure Kenyans would vote NO to a one party state.
Well guess what 28 years later, Kenyans finally had a chance to have a national referendum and they chose the constitution they want. We knew way back then that at some point Kenyans will embrace the values we thought were critical to the survival of the nation. It took a while but that is really the logic of revolutions. They take a very long time but they happen. We still got aways to go but as a nation we are getting there. About time.
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 3, 2011 20:15:33 GMT 3
Adongo wrote, -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now as to what actually happened before or during the coup I have always taken the fifth and will continue to do so until stuff can be declassified but I know this. Moi was a brutal thug and dictator before and after the coup. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Adongo, Sawa tu. But still I will accuse you of hoarding the truth in a nation where a class in history is a class in lies. But ofcourse you know Waore Diang'a in his memoirs has fulfilled this void. The guy agreed to feature in call in some years back on August one, but no radio station would take. Kar chuny Jaluo; Duond Jokanyarnam [the way Ramogi FM and Victoria market themselves] too woudn't touch! An attempt by a historian to organise a lecture called the place of Ochuka in Kenyan history could not get a venue, not at Maseno university buildings, not at Ofafa Hall! You can imagine the field day as people come up with explanations!
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Post by mzee on Aug 3, 2011 22:21:45 GMT 3
AO, YOu have a right to silence but history will not forgive you for taking the "fifth". We have too many people in Kenya who have died with loads of information which if we knew about kenya would be a better a place. I hope that the information you are holding is held in writing somewhere to be read at a later date. Perhaps when you are gone. These are issues that have to be brough to the surface asap.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Aug 4, 2011 2:40:11 GMT 3
AO, YOu have a right to silence but history will not forgive you for taking the "fifth". We have too many people in Kenya who have died with loads of information which if we knew about kenya would be a better a place. I hope that the information you are holding is held in writing somewhere to be read at a later date. Perhaps when you are gone. These are issues that have to be brough to the surface asap. I have always urged AO, OO, Hon Miguna and others to pen down their stories of this sad era that will forever haunt kipkorios (damm him!!) For posterity sakes please write down these stories while your memories are still fresh. I guess perhaps some are waiting for a TJRC, so as not to telegraph the evidence. Where is the darned kipkorios anyway!
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Post by kelly on Aug 4, 2011 6:49:41 GMT 3
I don't think Odongo and friends have much time. The 30yr statue for state secrets lapses this decade. Watch out DN or the Standard do not beat you guys to the expose!
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