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Post by jakaswanga on Dec 13, 2010 21:05:44 GMT 3
fake revolutions are necessary for some. True revolutions too scary.
There is another narrative to the Kenyan crisis which would shed even more light. That is that Kenya, along with many other states, can be adequately described as neo-colonial states. They have their flag independence, but as far as the control of own destiny goes, they are footballs in a rowdy crowd.
These coalition governments after electoral thefts are not logical outcomes of internal conflict. They are the bandages or the semi-solutions cooked up by the real economic stakeholders to arrest a downward spiral in profit and market jitteriness. What would Kenyans have done had not the capitalist powers, granting Anan the auspices of a fixer, forced the duely elected and the popularly elected twins to kiss up? Then we Kenyans would have climaxed our conflicts [socio-econo-political] in bloody fashion. Because an immature bourgeoisie does not understand this, and how bad it is for business, their real paymasters who have hired them as local nyaparas/caretakers must take charge and impose their solutions.
It is the fear that there is enough tension in Kenya for her to collapse totally like her neighbour, and thus get outside the orbit of the USA, that drives the American agenda in Kenya. For those who want peace at all costs, they better stick with the americans!
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Post by johns on Dec 13, 2010 21:42:12 GMT 3
Job,
There are a lot of stuff going on which continue to call into question whether an Obama administration is composed of lazy people who do not want to do ground work for themselves on a lot of issues but would rather stick with what was left for them by bush.
This Ranneberger issue has been a puzzle for me for a long time. Here is a man who single handed was the master behind the 2007 stolen election which culminated into almost pushing the country into a complete civil war yet he has been left by the Obama administration to continue doing his sabotage of the kenyan peoples will without any reprimand. Does it mean Obamas concern in as far as kenya is.... just words.
Ranneberger should have been the first person recalled as soon as the democrats took over knowing what he did and how he manipulated and embarrassed State department by urging them to recognize the thief as winner. Does somebody have a better reason why Obama who profess to care for Kenya could not do one decent thing of removing the scourge from this station?
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Post by job on Dec 13, 2010 22:51:26 GMT 3
Job, There are a lot of stuff going on which continue to call into question whether an Obama administration is composed of lazy people who do not want to do ground work for themselves on a lot of issues but would rather stick with what was left for them by bush. This Ranneberger issue has been a puzzle for me for a long time. Here is a man who single handed was the master behind the 2007 stolen election which culminated into almost pushing the country into a complete civil war yet he has been left by the Obama administration to continue doing his sabotage of the kenyan peoples will without any reprimand. Does it mean Obamas concern in as far as kenya is.... just words. Ranneberger should have been the first person recalled as soon as the democrats took over knowing what he did and how he manipulated and embarrassed State department by urging them to recognize the thief as winner. Does somebody have a better reason why Obama who profess to care for Kenya could not do one decent thing of removing the scourge from this station? I share the same concerns - equally baffled! I've asked the same question regarding the soft-glove treatment of fellas like Ranneberger, Museveni et al., & left guessing whether Obama exercises timid control when it comes to Defense & State Department matters. He seems fearful of offending the CIA, military-industrial-complex & their pre-staged plans (set for Somalia, Uganda etc). No wonder Ranneberger and Museveni don't lose sleep. |
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Post by merlin on Dec 14, 2010 12:03:13 GMT 3
Job, I like your contributions to jukwaa. You seem to be a hard worker with good connections to information sources. However your contributions under “IS A FAKE REVOLUTION BEING COURTED IN KENYA?” move you away from facts supplier into the arena of political opinion. In this arena people will have different objectives and opinions and everyone could know the future of Kenya is with the youth. Everyone focus on the youth. You state: Glancing at recent opinion polls, it seems these Western-directed NGOs are at variance with the populace but nevertheless want to force their opinion on the masses . However you as well like to influence the masses. What is of importance for you is how Kenya will form itself to your ideals. You state: I personally want genuine, people based reforms instituted in Kenya in the earliest possible time. But for heavens sake, let us get the right reforms in line with our needs, such as the beautiful proposals held in the Bomas draft constitution that also guarantee human and labour rights. At the end all reforms will be peoples based (unless you bring change by force) though for reforms you have to inspire and challenge the masses. And there, you will find lots of competition. You find villains and saints competing with money, T shirts, Caps, Fear, intimidation, though at the end it is the ideas and philosophies that will prevail. People are looking for betterment of their position. There are shortcuts to personal betterment such as selling your voting rights, stealing, embezzlement, bribery and corruption, though in the end we understand that betterment can only be sustainable when we share it with everyone. I perceive the current American government is aware of these facts. It tries to stop wars and conflict in the world and make lots of efforts to uplift communities which lag behind. And yes it is in their own American interest to make their quality of living standards and freedom sustainable. On the way to your ideal future of Kenya you could join-in with people who are moving in the same direction. You cannot travel just on your own. Large stretches of the way forward you will travel with others although your final destination could be different. You seem to be triggered by the notion “Kibaki-and-Raila-are-the-same-thing” that you vilify anyone who could be of this opinion. Your usual sharp facts are getting lost in your aversion for outside influences. Although tribal culture is the core of Kenyan society, Kenya is not an island disconnected from the rest of the world. The struggle for a more human society is a world struggle and we slowly are moving forward because like minded people (which I find a disgusting term as if the objectives of the mind could not be defined by words or should be kept in darkness) are inspiring each other and working together across tribal, national and continental borders bringing for instance the universal declaration of human rights to every corner of the globe. The lords of impunity who currently are still the owners of the Kenyan society are scared by influences from outside the borders of Kenya. They vilify personalities in an attempt to discredit institutions such as the ICC, the American Government or the European Union. However, you follow these lords of impunity in their footsteps vilifying people known for their struggle against impunity this time not with facts though with your personal gossip. You state: ” Mati’s political acumen is questionable (just my opinion).
Mati (Mwalimu Mati) may have underestimated the ability of his countrymen and women to detect even the slightest whiff of both externally-inspired whistle-blowing and ambition-driven political activism. Wananchi have probably noticed both traits in Mati’s otherwise popular efforts. ” These are no facts though insinuations which could be placed under gossip. You further vilify John Gitongo making him responsible for the Anglo leasing scam. You state: What did all that Githongo advice and advocacy result in?
It led to; Ango-Leasing, grand corruption, lack of transparency, zero accountability, Kiraitu’s plea to the anti-corruption Czar to ‘ngo srow’, and death threats to Githongo himself, conveyed by none other than Justice Aaron Ringera. USAID’s allocated funds via ACI all went up in smoke and within no time, Githongo was in exile in the UK, Murgor kicked out of DPP, and Mati kicked out of TI. You vilify NGO’s and foreigners who have an opinion about the mediocre performance of the coalition government of Kenya though is this different from the reality of today? You state: For the past year and a half, US Ambassador, Michael Ranneberger, has several times urged the Kenyan youth to mobilize ‘themselves’ and force the grand coalition government to bring reforms. What do you perceive as a danger? Is it your admiration for Raila, Your devotion to a personality that reforms can only be accepted if they are being brought by Raila? Kenya is on its way forward. Reforms will come and probably from unexpected corners. Why not open up to new ideas, why not shed the mantle of tribalism and personality cult; why not open your eyes to reality. Kenya will not be lead by Raila to the Promised Land. The Promised Land does not exist. Moving forward is a journey without destination which always will need many new inspiring leaders. Before you can put new in your closet you have to throw out something of the old. You complain about the money which NGO’s get from abroad together with their influence. You see Kenyan youth in coloured T-shirts, mostly black, with a foreign slogan/logo. Well resourced, well trained, and charmingly persuasive, penetrating institutions of higher learning as well as rural grassroots with a non-violent message for change. Liberally embracing Obama's speeches. What is the alternative you can offer them? You are worried about their pay-masters. Reading your contributions in the arena of political opinion I start wondering about your paymaster. I hope they are not directly related to the lords of impunity. |
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Post by gachquota on Dec 14, 2010 17:06:31 GMT 3
Job, I like your contributions to jukwaa. You seem to be a hard worker with good connections to information sources. However your contributions under “IS A FAKE REVOLUTION BEING COURTED IN KENYA?” move you away from facts supplier into the arena of political opinion. In this arena people will have different objectives and opinions and everyone could know the future of Kenya is with the youth. Everyone focus on the youth. You state: Glancing at recent opinion polls, it seems these Western-directed NGOs are at variance with the populace but nevertheless want to force their opinion on the masses . However you as well like to influence the masses. What is of importance for you is how Kenya will form itself to your ideals. You state: I personally want genuine, people based reforms instituted in Kenya in the earliest possible time. But for heavens sake, let us get the right reforms in line with our needs, such as the beautiful proposals held in the Bomas draft constitution that also guarantee human and labour rights. At the end all reforms will be peoples based (unless you bring change by force) though for reforms you have to inspire and challenge the masses. And there, you will find lots of competition. You find villains and saints competing with money, T shirts, Caps, Fear, intimidation, though at the end it is the ideas and philosophies that will prevail. People are looking for betterment of their position. There are shortcuts to personal betterment such as selling your voting rights, stealing, embezzlement, bribery and corruption, though in the end we understand that betterment can only be sustainable when we share it with everyone. I perceive the current American government is aware of these facts. It tries to stop wars and conflict in the world and make lots of efforts to uplift communities which lag behind. And yes it is in their own American interest to make their quality of living standards and freedom sustainable. On the way to your ideal future of Kenya you could join-in with people who are moving in the same direction. You cannot travel just on your own. Large stretches of the way forward you will travel with others although your final destination could be different. You seem to be triggered by the notion “Kibaki-and-Raila-are-the-same-thing” that you vilify anyone who could be of this opinion. Your usual sharp facts are getting lost in your aversion for outside influences. Although tribal culture is the core of Kenyan society, Kenya is not an island disconnected from the rest of the world. The struggle for a more human society is a world struggle and we slowly are moving forward because like minded people (which I find a disgusting term as if the objectives of the mind could not be defined by words or should be kept in darkness) are inspiring each other and working together across tribal, national and continental borders bringing for instance the universal declaration of human rights to every corner of the globe. The lords of impunity who currently are still the owners of the Kenyan society are scared by influences from outside the borders of Kenya. They vilify personalities in an attempt to discredit institutions such as the ICC, the American Government or the European Union. However, you follow these lords of impunity in their footsteps vilifying people known for their struggle against impunity this time not with facts though with your personal gossip. You state: ” Mati’s political acumen is questionable (just my opinion).
Mati (Mwalimu Mati) may have underestimated the ability of his countrymen and women to detect even the slightest whiff of both externally-inspired whistle-blowing and ambition-driven political activism. Wananchi have probably noticed both traits in Mati’s otherwise popular efforts. ” These are no facts though insinuations which could be placed under gossip. You further vilify John Gitongo making him responsible for the Anglo leasing scam. You state: What did all that Githongo advice and advocacy result in?
It led to; Ango-Leasing, grand corruption, lack of transparency, zero accountability, Kiraitu’s plea to the anti-corruption Czar to ‘ngo srow’, and death threats to Githongo himself, conveyed by none other than Justice Aaron Ringera. USAID’s allocated funds via ACI all went up in smoke and within no time, Githongo was in exile in the UK, Murgor kicked out of DPP, and Mati kicked out of TI. You vilify NGO’s and foreigners who have an opinion about the mediocre performance of the coalition government of Kenya though is this different from the reality of today? You state: For the past year and a half, US Ambassador, Michael Ranneberger, has several times urged the Kenyan youth to mobilize ‘themselves’ and force the grand coalition government to bring reforms. What do you perceive as a danger? Is it your admiration for Raila, Your devotion to a personality that reforms can only be accepted if they are being brought by Raila? Kenya is on its way forward. Reforms will come and probably from unexpected corners. Why not open up to new ideas, why not shed the mantle of tribalism and personality cult; why not open your eyes to reality. Kenya will not be lead by Raila to the Promised Land. The Promised Land does not exist. Moving forward is a journey without destination which always will need many new inspiring leaders. Before you can put new in your closet you have to throw out something of the old. You complain about the money which NGO’s get from abroad together with their influence. You see Kenyan youth in coloured T-shirts, mostly black, with a foreign slogan/logo. Well resourced, well trained, and charmingly persuasive, penetrating institutions of higher learning as well as rural grassroots with a non-violent message for change. Liberally embracing Obama's speeches. What is the alternative you can offer them? You are worried about their pay-masters. Reading your contributions in the arena of political opinion I start wondering about your paymaster. I hope they are not directly related to the lords of impunity. Top class discussion thats why jukwaa is da very best blog in da land. |
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Post by roughrider on Dec 14, 2010 17:11:13 GMT 3
I am still very surprised about the apparently hypocritical US position on Southern Sudan, revealed courtesy of wikileaks.
As for Eugene Wamalwa and his odd troupe of the Mungiki leader and Tony Gachoka (wasn't Kibaki's flabby son part of this group?); it is amazing because Eugene has no discernible public support and he does not move people in a political way at all. I don't really see why anybody should be worried about them at all. Perhaps the key to this 'revolution' is in that Mungiki leader.
Wikileaks has shown how dead wrong and very often so, the US usually is: some of the revelations are incisive and revealing. Others are factually wrong and devoid of analytical rigor.
Open secret? Michael Ranneberger is seeing a Maasai woman whom it is suspected he wants to marry and settle down with in Kenya.
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Post by gachquota on Dec 14, 2010 17:14:35 GMT 3
I am still very surprised about the apparently hypocritical US position on Southern Sudan, revealed courtesy of wikileaks. As for Eugene Wamalwa and his odd troupe of the Mungiki leader and Tony Gachoka (wasn't Kibaki's flabby son part of this group?); it is amazing because Eugene has no discernible public support and he does not move people in a political way at all. I don't really see why anybody should be worried about them at all. Perhaps the key to this 'revolution' is in that Mungiki leader. Wikileaks has shown how dead wrong and very often so, the US usually is: some of the revelations are incisive and revealing. Others are factually wrong and devoid of analytical rigor. Open secret? Michael Ranneberger is seeing a Maasai woman whom it is suspected he wants to marry and settle down with in Kenya. RR Ur right let Eugene hold a rally y r pple so afraid?Ranebaga iz he single?or maybe he is having an affair.Anyways thats Kenya 4 u. |
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Post by bkichwa on Dec 14, 2010 17:43:27 GMT 3
Job, I like your contributions to jukwaa. You seem to be a hard worker with good connections to information sources. However your contributions under “IS A FAKE REVOLUTION BEING COURTED IN KENYA?” move you away from facts supplier into the arena of political opinion. In this arena people will have different objectives and opinions and everyone could know the future of Kenya is with the youth. Everyone focus on the youth. You state: Glancing at recent opinion polls, it seems these Western-directed NGOs are at variance with the populace but nevertheless want to force their opinion on the masses . However you as well like to influence the masses. What is of importance for you is how Kenya will form itself to your ideals. You state: I personally want genuine, people based reforms instituted in Kenya in the earliest possible time. But for heavens sake, let us get the right reforms in line with our needs, such as the beautiful proposals held in the Bomas draft constitution that also guarantee human and labour rights. At the end all reforms will be peoples based (unless you bring change by force) though for reforms you have to inspire and challenge the masses. And there, you will find lots of competition. You find villains and saints competing with money, T shirts, Caps, Fear, intimidation, though at the end it is the ideas and philosophies that will prevail. People are looking for betterment of their position. There are shortcuts to personal betterment such as selling your voting rights, stealing, embezzlement, bribery and corruption, though in the end we understand that betterment can only be sustainable when we share it with everyone. I perceive the current American government is aware of these facts. It tries to stop wars and conflict in the world and make lots of efforts to uplift communities which lag behind. And yes it is in their own American interest to make their quality of living standards and freedom sustainable. On the way to your ideal future of Kenya you could join-in with people who are moving in the same direction. You cannot travel just on your own. Large stretches of the way forward you will travel with others although your final destination could be different. You seem to be triggered by the notion “Kibaki-and-Raila-are-the-same-thing” that you vilify anyone who could be of this opinion. Your usual sharp facts are getting lost in your aversion for outside influences. Although tribal culture is the core of Kenyan society, Kenya is not an island disconnected from the rest of the world. The struggle for a more human society is a world struggle and we slowly are moving forward because like minded people (which I find a disgusting term as if the objectives of the mind could not be defined by words or should be kept in darkness) are inspiring each other and working together across tribal, national and continental borders bringing for instance the universal declaration of human rights to every corner of the globe. The lords of impunity who currently are still the owners of the Kenyan society are scared by influences from outside the borders of Kenya. They vilify personalities in an attempt to discredit institutions such as the ICC, the American Government or the European Union. However, you follow these lords of impunity in their footsteps vilifying people known for their struggle against impunity this time not with facts though with your personal gossip. You state: ” Mati’s political acumen is questionable (just my opinion).
Mati (Mwalimu Mati) may have underestimated the ability of his countrymen and women to detect even the slightest whiff of both externally-inspired whistle-blowing and ambition-driven political activism. Wananchi have probably noticed both traits in Mati’s otherwise popular efforts. ” These are no facts though insinuations which could be placed under gossip. You further vilify John Gitongo making him responsible for the Anglo leasing scam. You state: What did all that Githongo advice and advocacy result in?
It led to; Ango-Leasing, grand corruption, lack of transparency, zero accountability, Kiraitu’s plea to the anti-corruption Czar to ‘ngo srow’, and death threats to Githongo himself, conveyed by none other than Justice Aaron Ringera. USAID’s allocated funds via ACI all went up in smoke and within no time, Githongo was in exile in the UK, Murgor kicked out of DPP, and Mati kicked out of TI. You vilify NGO’s and foreigners who have an opinion about the mediocre performance of the coalition government of Kenya though is this different from the reality of today? You state: For the past year and a half, US Ambassador, Michael Ranneberger, has several times urged the Kenyan youth to mobilize ‘themselves’ and force the grand coalition government to bring reforms. What do you perceive as a danger? Is it your admiration for Raila, Your devotion to a personality that reforms can only be accepted if they are being brought by Raila? Kenya is on its way forward. Reforms will come and probably from unexpected corners. Why not open up to new ideas, why not shed the mantle of tribalism and personality cult; why not open your eyes to reality. Kenya will not be lead by Raila to the Promised Land. The Promised Land does not exist. Moving forward is a journey without destination which always will need many new inspiring leaders. Before you can put new in your closet you have to throw out something of the old. You complain about the money which NGO’s get from abroad together with their influence. You see Kenyan youth in coloured T-shirts, mostly black, with a foreign slogan/logo. Well resourced, well trained, and charmingly persuasive, penetrating institutions of higher learning as well as rural grassroots with a non-violent message for change. Liberally embracing Obama's speeches. What is the alternative you can offer them? You are worried about their pay-masters. Reading your contributions in the arena of political opinion I start wondering about your paymaster. I hope they are not directly related to the lords of impunity. Very well said Merlin. |
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Post by reporter911 on Dec 14, 2010 19:16:55 GMT 3
Job, I like your contributions to jukwaa. You seem to be a hard worker with good connections to information sources. However your contributions under “IS A FAKE REVOLUTION BEING COURTED IN KENYA?” move you away from facts supplier into the arena of political opinion. In this arena people will have different objectives and opinions and everyone could know the future of Kenya is with the youth. Everyone focus on the youth. You state: Glancing at recent opinion polls, it seems these Western-directed NGOs are at variance with the populace but nevertheless want to force their opinion on the masses . However you as well like to influence the masses. What is of importance for you is how Kenya will form itself to your ideals. You state: I personally want genuine, people based reforms instituted in Kenya in the earliest possible time. But for heavens sake, let us get the right reforms in line with our needs, such as the beautiful proposals held in the Bomas draft constitution that also guarantee human and labour rights. At the end all reforms will be peoples based (unless you bring change by force) though for reforms you have to inspire and challenge the masses. And there, you will find lots of competition. You find villains and saints competing with money, T shirts, Caps, Fear, intimidation, though at the end it is the ideas and philosophies that will prevail. People are looking for betterment of their position. There are shortcuts to personal betterment such as selling your voting rights, stealing, embezzlement, bribery and corruption, though in the end we understand that betterment can only be sustainable when we share it with everyone. I perceive the current American government is aware of these facts. It tries to stop wars and conflict in the world and make lots of efforts to uplift communities which lag behind. And yes it is in their own American interest to make their quality of living standards and freedom sustainable. On the way to your ideal future of Kenya you could join-in with people who are moving in the same direction. You cannot travel just on your own. Large stretches of the way forward you will travel with others although your final destination could be different. You seem to be triggered by the notion “Kibaki-and-Raila-are-the-same-thing” that you vilify anyone who could be of this opinion. Your usual sharp facts are getting lost in your aversion for outside influences. Although tribal culture is the core of Kenyan society, Kenya is not an island disconnected from the rest of the world. The struggle for a more human society is a world struggle and we slowly are moving forward because like minded people (which I find a disgusting term as if the objectives of the mind could not be defined by words or should be kept in darkness) are inspiring each other and working together across tribal, national and continental borders bringing for instance the universal declaration of human rights to every corner of the globe. The lords of impunity who currently are still the owners of the Kenyan society are scared by influences from outside the borders of Kenya. They vilify personalities in an attempt to discredit institutions such as the ICC, the American Government or the European Union. However, you follow these lords of impunity in their footsteps vilifying people known for their struggle against impunity this time not with facts though with your personal gossip. You state: ” Mati’s political acumen is questionable (just my opinion).
Mati (Mwalimu Mati) may have underestimated the ability of his countrymen and women to detect even the slightest whiff of both externally-inspired whistle-blowing and ambition-driven political activism. Wananchi have probably noticed both traits in Mati’s otherwise popular efforts. ” These are no facts though insinuations which could be placed under gossip. You further vilify John Gitongo making him responsible for the Anglo leasing scam. You state: What did all that Githongo advice and advocacy result in?
It led to; Ango-Leasing, grand corruption, lack of transparency, zero accountability, Kiraitu’s plea to the anti-corruption Czar to ‘ngo srow’, and death threats to Githongo himself, conveyed by none other than Justice Aaron Ringera. USAID’s allocated funds via ACI all went up in smoke and within no time, Githongo was in exile in the UK, Murgor kicked out of DPP, and Mati kicked out of TI. You vilify NGO’s and foreigners who have an opinion about the mediocre performance of the coalition government of Kenya though is this different from the reality of today? You state: For the past year and a half, US Ambassador, Michael Ranneberger, has several times urged the Kenyan youth to mobilize ‘themselves’ and force the grand coalition government to bring reforms. What do you perceive as a danger? Is it your admiration for Raila, Your devotion to a personality that reforms can only be accepted if they are being brought by Raila? Kenya is on its way forward. Reforms will come and probably from unexpected corners. Why not open up to new ideas, why not shed the mantle of tribalism and personality cult; why not open your eyes to reality. Kenya will not be lead by Raila to the Promised Land. The Promised Land does not exist. Moving forward is a journey without destination which always will need many new inspiring leaders. Before you can put new in your closet you have to throw out something of the old. You complain about the money which NGO’s get from abroad together with their influence. You see Kenyan youth in coloured T-shirts, mostly black, with a foreign slogan/logo. Well resourced, well trained, and charmingly persuasive, penetrating institutions of higher learning as well as rural grassroots with a non-violent message for change. Liberally embracing Obama's speeches. What is the alternative you can offer them? You are worried about their pay-masters. Reading your contributions in the arena of political opinion I start wondering about your paymaster. I hope they are not directly related to the lords of impunity. I don't see anywhere in Jobs post's here that has indicated that reforms in Kenya can only be fought under Raila's watch? if Michael Ranneberger messes with Kenya then all Kenyans will be affected ! it has nothing to do with Raila or the coalition government we as Kenyans citizens should be looking closely at this mans Youth Agenda, whether it is sincerely addressing the plight of youths in our society or is he using it as a future political machinery for his masters advantage in 2012!! Many poor countries do not have the technical capacity to formulate their own policies for services such as health, education, development projects and that is where the NGO's have thrived. NGO's must not be used as a platform by outside powerful entities to preach reforms in Kenya, on the other hand serving the interests of the same powerful outside sources. Soon after the real colonialists left Africa, a new breed of Western colonialists emerged: the statistic Non-Governmental Organizations that want to save us from everything from genetically-modified food, education to Health matters while preaching Democracy and rule of law. We should not forget that we nearly lost the Vote on the Referendum on the New Constitution because of some of these same NGO's claiming they were fighting for the rights of the unborn babies " anti-abortionist by the Christian NGO's & churches add the Fight against Khadi courts! whose interests were they serving?? There is no denying the fact that NGOs have made a tremendous contribution to the development of Kenya over the past two decades, especially in the area of human rights, Health and development projects, the question asked of NGO's are - who do they represent and where do they get their mandate ? but now not only have they abandoned the ideals of fighting injustices, impunity, corruption, etc, but they are themselves party to these vices.
if Michael Ranneberger was sincerely in assisting Kenyan youth then he should start with the youth IDP'S rotting in the "concentration camps" The Youths are crying out for Jobs, some are homeless, many affected by health issues e.t.c it is difficult to preach democracy and rule of law to demoralized youths, what they read between the lines can produced very extreme actions. when Michael Ranneberger speaks to these same youth of injustices forced on them by the ruling Elite in power, then I suggest he starts by looking at what part the USA has played in the past & present situation happening in Kenya today.. for 24 years the USA supported Moi 100% and look what happened, then Kibaki and now the ugly beast with two heads called the coalition... The Youth of Kenya need to be helped how to realize their social and economic rights and on the other hand most African governments treat NGOs as the unofficial opposition, NGOs and government can and should work hand in hand for the benefit of Kenyans. In my opinion NGO's are more and more becoming part of the problem instead of being part of the solution in most African countries including Kenya. Most people refer to NGO's as "Non-Governable Organizations" why is that? Therefore it is very important to look closely at Michael Ranneberger agenda for the Youths! is it sincere or is he planning dangerous mischief like he did when hurriedly confirmed the flawed 2007 election winner? when he already knew the facts to be otherwise!! |
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Post by job on Dec 14, 2010 21:00:34 GMT 3
Merlin,Accept my belated Karibu to JUKWAA. We agree on this point. That’s precisely why I warn against misuse of our youth by questionable foreign interests. Did I get you right? Regarding wars and conflicts – do you seriously BELIEVE in your statement (a plain fallacy) that America basically tries to stop wars and conflicts in the world? What’s your take on America's role in the war in Iraq, the war in Afghanistan (which has now extended into Pakistan) or previous wars in Vietnam and Korea (close to half a million killed). What do you think of the historic atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (Japan) or the daily drone attacks in Pakistan villages? Did America actually start these wars or merely step-in to stop them?What peace has America brought in the Israel-Palestine conflict? What about Rwanda? Somalia? On America making lots of efforts to uplift communities which lag behind- you need to open your eyes and study American Imperialism. America's veiled form of neo-colonization is literally impoverishing all corners of the globe, from Haiti, Africa, Latin America, and Asia. That's what many folks either don't see or just choose to ignore. Heavily subsidized American multinational corporations have impoverished Haitian, African, Asian farmers.As usual, there are only two avenues for America to penetrate into any foreign country. Either through compromising (buying) the country's political leadership - entering through the front door; or compromising the country's civil society & youth - entering through amorphous inlets. In all, they come to seize a county's resources, decision-making institutions & business market - where they can supply & sell their goods and services.America has used war, intimidation and corruption to secure natural resources (Oil, natural gas, minerals) of other countries in Middle-east, Latin America & Africa. Sometimes they disguise the invasions and occupations as 'bringing freedom, liberty and democracy'. In front of the veil, America offers paltry charity handouts that don’t even account for 1% of their GDP. They carefully make sure the latter charities are well publicised, so that simpletons and gullibles can cheer them as ‘ up-lifters of communities that lag behind”. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that Kibaki and Raila are completely different political beings. No one agrees more with this fact than you (Merlin), as evidenced by your earlier statement (below) in a separate thread:
‘The politicians we have are of the same flock’ is an incorrect statement. Politicians are not all the same and have different credentials. My friend, you don’t have to be a ‘well known person’ to play a role in reforming Kenya. Even ordinary villagers at Keringet or Msambweni can struggle against impunity in their own ways. As a matter of fact, history has taught us that yesteryear “well known” soldiers against impunity like Kiraitu Murungi for instance, can become todays lords of impunity. Nothing is cast in stone. I will therefore never hesitate to interrogate motives of both lords of impunity and soldiers against impunity – both human. That’s just in exercise of my fundamental right to free expression- whether you deem it ‘personal gossip’ or 'vilification' or not. Let's agree without being disagreeable. Githongo and Mati are public figures. Anyone trying to suppress any rational questioning of their activities and associations (especially with foreigners) needs to disclose what they’re afraid of. In the little snippet you quote from me on Mati (above), you (disingenuously) omitted to point out my positive acknowledgment of Mati’s exemplary performance in whistle-blowing. You also deliberately failed to mention that my questioning of Mati (with evidence) specifically regards his dabbling in politics. I provided links (plus photos & even video clips) showing his role in Bomachoge and Shinyalu by-elections, campaigning for Safina candidates (through USAID funded P4C & affiliate Mars Group) – via the OTNOP-tee-shirt-clad youth. That definitely makes him a Safina-leaning, donor-funded politician – which is his democratic right. We should therefore acknowledge that SIMPLE FACT – that in the political arena, Mati (Safina), oiled by USAID dollars, is now a partisan (& party affiliated) politican competing with Kibaki (PNU) and Raila (ODM). Do you have any questions regarding this FACT? That disclosure needs to be made, whenever Mati makes political statements like “both Kibaki (PNU) and Raila (ODM) are corrupt”. Mati should qualify that small (Safina-affiliation) detail to the public- who should know that his is essentially competing with PNU & ODM. Since Mati knows very well Kibaki won't be on the ballot in 2012, he is cunningly pitching a political bat against their (Safina's) ODM opponent called Raila. That's all good but let it be disclosed to the public. Therefore Sir, there's no need to engage further in intellectual dishonesty. Can you now tell me (on this specific matter) what constitutes gossip? Please table what you consider as FACTS dispelling the above. [/blockquote][/color][/quote] Again in your deliberate & now chronic dishonesty, you selectively cut off the essence of my critique of Githongo, while “putting words in my mouth”. I dare you to state where I accuse Githongo of being responsible for Anglo-Leasing scam. For everyone’s benefit, here –in blue font - is what I wrote regarding Githongo (the italicized part is excerpted from the Economist magazine).When you put too much premium and faith in whistle-blowers and watchdogs for leadership, you could sometimes pay a price. Githongo’s story lays this premise and notion as bare as it can possibly be.
Githongo naively misadvised USAID and other donors in 2002/3 about Kibaki’s ‘abundant’ political will to fight corruption by tabling the evidence of Kibaki’s accent to create the now -disbanded Department of Government Ethics (DGE) at State House – which was to ‘advise and assist the President on the development, implementation, and monitoring of anti-corruption strategies’.
USAID quickly poured money through ACI into Githongo’s State House office, alongside Philip Murgor’s then DPP office, and Mwalimu Mati’s then office at TI. More USAID funding was poured into the office of another of Githongo’s friend – at Kiraitu Murungi’s then office at Justice & Constitutional Affairs Ministry – via the Governance, Justice, Law and Order Sector (GJLOS) Reform Programme, some more USAID funding ending up into another office created by and for another of their friends – Aaron Ringera, at KACC.
What did all that Githongo advice and advocacy result in?
It led to; Ango-Leasing, grand corruption, lack of transparency, zero accountability, Kiraitu’s plea to the anti-corruption Czar to ‘ngo srow’, and death threats to Githongo himself, conveyed by none other than Justice Aaron Ringera. USAID’s allocated funds via ACI all went up in smoke and within no time, Githongo was in exile in the UK, Murgor kicked out of DPP, and Mati kicked out of TI.
It is only after that fiasco that USAID then decided to reallocate funding somewhere else; some place where (predictably) many of our current whistle-blowers (including Mati) also headed - a reserved and exclusive members-only corner within the civil society - where a sophisticated class of dollar-loving, travel-happy, media-savvy activists with rent-seeking experience now reside. In short, all I was reiterating (backed by excerpts from the Economist) is that whistle-blowers and civil society activists with close links to USAID can sometimes get certain things about leadership completely wrong – sending the country to the dogs. The Githongos and Matis ain't Gods for heavens sake! So please, resist the temptation of cheerleading and blindly following any “well known” NGO activist, as if they are sanctimonious geniuses. Let us be willing to question both impunity lords and foreign-funded whistle-blowers alike. I just wonder what logic you use to arrive at certain conclusions. I for one do not adore any Kenyan politician, neither am I devoted to any personality. My public criticisms and critique of Raila Odinga are available here in this JUKWAA board - do some due diligence Sir! There are areas I sometimes strongly differ with Raila, yet in many other areas we often agree. It is therefore quite a cheap shot for you to accuse me (with no factual basis) of - “reforms can only be accepted if they are being brought by Raila”. Where's the logic? That brings me to your important question about danger.Here is what I perceive as danger - Intellectual dishonesty, blind cheer-leading of foreigners (& foreign funded NGOs), peddling of half-truths and propaganda, false accusations without facts, putting words into other peoples’ mouths, and peddling the false moral equivalency that one person’s failures (weaknesses) passes for another’s. When someone can’t accurately interrogate the bottom-line motive of the US in Kenya, we have real danger. When people still believe that civil-society-bred “Young Turks’ (the equivalent of yesteryear Kiraitu Murungis) will be Kenya’s savior, we are in danger. When someone believes that American-youth-NGOs are the best thing since slice bread, we are in danger. When accusations of “Raila-cult-follower” greet any frank questioning of USAID-funded NGOs, we are in real danger!Could you please elaborate – specifically – where this charge above is directed at? Is it at the practitioners of official tribalism (in State) or at debate contributors here in JUKWAA? On cults – all I can reiterate is what the late Kijana Wamalwa once famously stated. There’s one cult of Railamaniacs, and another cult of Railaphobes. There’s nothing I can do regarding that bipolar cult situation except - to ask all pots to stop calling kettles black!Ironically, my actual paymaster in Washington DC is not far related from funders of those youth groups, so you don’t need to wonder any further. On the Kenyan scene, I am an activist against the lords of impunity by choice and free will - at no pay whatsoever. Throwing cheap, unfounded, and baseless allegations will never ever deter my right to free speech. I will continue to question any public actor (whether it's Kibaki, Ranneberger, Mati or whoever) - of course not forgetting to present my facts, so get used to it!
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Post by merlin on Dec 18, 2010 20:47:22 GMT 3
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