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Post by kaburwo on Nov 28, 2009 22:24:51 GMT 3
Moi orphans find an excuse to pool forcesBy Gakuu MathengeThe old Kanu blue-eyed boys are back. This appeared to be the case during last Wednesday’s fundraiser for the Mau evictees that turned out to be a re-union of Kanu old boys. The stars of the night that has set the country’s political scene abuzz were Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka (who only sent emissaries), Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta and Agriculture Minister William Ruto. Observers now view Kanu as the biggest winner in the apparent fallout in ODM over Mau, seizing the opportunity to sink their greatest rival — through the emerging KKK (Kamba, Kikuyu, Kalenjin) alliance first mooted by Kalonzo. The fundraiser at Panafric Hotel, Nairobi, turned out to be the launch of a new political alliance bringing together PNU, Kanu and ODM rebels, and ODM-Kenya. Significantly, President Kibaki’s son, Jimmy of Simama Kenya, sent Sh100,000 donation. Jimmy was on Friday accorded a hero’s welcome in Keiyo, where he was a guest at another harambee hosted by local ODM chairman Micah Kigen. Simama KenyaThe VP sent Justice Minister Mutula Kilonzo on his behalf. Mr Mutula said Kalonzo could not make it as he was representing the President at a function in Mombasa. Asked the significance of Jimmy’s participation, Simama Kenya spokesperson Tony Gachoka told The Standard on Sunday: "Simama Kenya has been attending harambees and supporting peace and reconciliation efforts in the Rift Valley. We have been meeting Ruto over these issues and it is in public domain. We could not ignore his invitation to support distressed people being evicted from Mau." www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=1144029236&cid=4&ttl=Moi%20orphans%20find%20an%20excuse%20to%20pool%20forces-Kaburwo-
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Post by kaburwo on Nov 28, 2009 22:33:51 GMT 3
Why MPs are keen to keep Mau flame aliveBy Juma KwayeraThe standoff in Government over Mau forest eviction is boiling down to tussle for political support with the fate of evictees and conservation relegated to the backburner. Party National Unity and Orange Democratic Movement MPs who turned up for the fundraising for the peasants at Panafric Hotel, Nairobi, where Finance Minister Uhuru Kenyatta was the chief guest, were apparently motivated by a desire to isolate Prime Minister Raila Odinga. The harambee was largely an assembly of landowners and speculators, who two UN agencies say are determined to scuttle the conservation report to coerce the Government into buying them out. A comprehensive report in custody of the UN could soon be released to the public to illustrate the extent of impunity.The 200kg classified document, portions of which The Standard on Sunday has had access to, shades new light on the controversy that pits Raila against a section of Rift Valley MPs, a number who the report says are beneficiaries of the 1997 excision of the largest water tower in Kenya. The Report of the Government Taskforce on the Conservation of Mau Forests Complex, which was adopted by the Cabinet and Parliament in July after minor amendments, details the scramble for the water tower by ministers in the current and past Governments. The complex has dwindled to about 350,000 hectares, from 700,000 at independence. Portions were hived off to reward and retain political supporters.Most significantly, it demonstrates how former State House operatives that included Permanent Secretaries, provincial administrators, magistrates and high court judges, civic leaders and ministers were behind ‘ballooning’ of a settlement scheme set aside for the Ogiek — a community threatened with extinction and which identifies the forest as their cradle. ‘Ballooning’ is used in the report to describe illegal extensions, which translate into nearly 19,000 hectares of land in southwest Mau settlement scheme, besides nearly 15,000 others that are designated as irregular in Maasai Mau Settlement Scheme that was part of trust land under the custody of Narok County Council. It says: "Prominent Government officials and political leaders were allocated land beyond what ordinary and deserving allottees were allotted … in some cases companies (belonging to political operators) were also allocated large land parcels."The prominent people the report mentions are among politicians who are crusading for "humane resettlement of the peasants". The companies and group ranches in Maasai Mau Settlement Scheme identified in the report are all linked to former State House operatives — some are sitting MPs from Rift Valley. The eviction of near 20,000 people is also proving to be ample political fodder for rivals in ODM and PNU, which is keen to wrest the region from the grasp of the PM. Vocal voicesDetails of excision of the forest and land ownership in the Mau point to a correlation between the most vocal voices in the conservation controversy and illegal settlements. The report, which Rift Valley MPs now disown after voting for it in Parliament, names Roads Minister Franklin Bett as one of the main beneficiaries, having acquired a huge parcel of land at Kapkorich in southwest Mau Forest. The first phase of eviction took place in southwest region, where the report links Bett to joint ownership of Sambret Tea Company, which lies on a 212 hectares of land excised from forestland in 1997, when Bett was Comptroller of State House. Also listed as stakeholders in the company are Kuresoi MP Zakayo Cheruiyot, former Unilever Tea Corporate Affairs Director Reuben Yegon, former spymaster Noah arap Too and Bett’s successor at State House the late Wilson Chepkwony, who the report links to ownership LR9932. A former Cabinet minister in the Kanu administration is said to have been allocated land in southwest Mau in the Mauche Settlement Scheme. The minister was allocated 10.4 hectares of Plot No124, which has since been sold to third parties. The peasants are piling pressure on the politicians who took their land to resettle them.The report says a number of irregular acquisitions were given to the peasants in exchange for what they owned where they originally came from.Forestry and Wildlife Minister Noah Wekesa says the politicians who are inciting the peasants to stay put are under pressure from evicted settlers to give them back the parcels of land they traded off before moving to Mau."These people came from their homes. They are willing to return to those homes, but politicians are inciting them to ask for compensation," says Dr Wekesa, whose ministry is spearheading Mau reclamation. Wood productsRoads Minister is also linked to Frankway Sawmill, situated on a parcel of land on the periphery of Kericho tea-growing zones, which the report says has not been surveyed. It says the registration of the parcel of land was irregular. The report says the sawmill was the source of wood products to a timber firm owned by a senior PNU minister from the Mt Kenya region., read Timsales!The minister (from Mt Kenya!) played a leading role in the Wednesday fundraiser at Panafric Hotel to collect money for evicted Mau settlers who, at the behest of local politicians, have refused to leave the forest without compensation. The biggest harvest of irregularly acquired land went to former Lands Commissioner, who is Baringo Central MP, Sammy Komen Mwaita.In what it describes case of impunity, the report demonstrates how Mwaita, one of the harshest critics of the Mau evictions, has used seven different names against one national identity card number to acquire 77 hectares.Asked about name variation against one national identity card number, the MP admitted to using different names to register what he owns.He put what he owns in the forest at 23 hectares, saying, "I was given the land by the Government. Like any other Kenyan I have a right to own land." The UN agencies accuse the landowners of inciting the peasants against moving out of the forest. Mwaita, however, was not categorical. "Our stand on Mau evictions is based on succession with representation concept," he told The Standard on Sunday. The report accuses the MP of blatant abuse of office during his tenure as Commissioner of Lands. It was then that about 54 hectares of the forest was excised. The Rift Valley, a cosmopolitan province with a population of more than 10 million people, is turning out to be critical to current political realignments that are emerging as the country finds itself in a premature pre-election mode ahead of the 2012 General Election. The Mau forest eviction saga has deepened the already uneasy relationship between the Office of the Prime Minister and Rift Valley MPs. Various Government agencies that have been camping in Mau to assist the evictees corroborated reports that the number of bogus settlers, encouraged by MPs, has been swelling as the clamour for compensation grows.A Ministry of Forestry official, who spoke off record, says the Government is still unable to provide humanitarian assistance to the people camping on roadsides when its officers came up against resistance from the local leaders. "The camps swell during the day. The number of people asking for compensation is growing," says the official. Wekesa has on several occasions said as much. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=1144029232&cid=4&ttl=Why%20MPs%20are%20keen%20to%20keep%20Mau%20flame%20alive-Kaburwo-
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 28, 2009 22:50:42 GMT 3
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Post by kaburwo on Nov 28, 2009 22:56:58 GMT 3
Mau settlers not political pawnswww.standardmedia.co.ke/columnists/InsidePage.php?id=1144029093&cid=483&By Kipkoech TanuiWe are on the politics submerging Mau Forest conservation and the shame the humanitarian crises spurred by unplanned and punitive evictions has brought us. In July, as the eviction debate raged, I said I was for clearance of human settlement and that Mau was a matter of life and death. However, I added the caveat the removals must be orderly, settlers must be profiled before eviction, and it must not be indiscriminate and laced with tribal and political overtones. I stood by those who prayed unlike in the past, there be no Government guns and fires like when Mr Amos Kimunya told us title deeds were mere pieces of paper. Cabinet sat and decreed steps to be taken, including profiling in situ, mapping out priority areas for clearance and reforestation, and non-compensation for plantation owners. It also decreed, as recommended by Prime Minister’s Task Force, that the evictees be given choice of compensation and resettlement. There were also fancy ideas such as securing fences and gun-patrol, and creation of Mau Forests Complex Authority, under Kenya Wildlife Service, to manage and protect it. The Task Force made four unsettling revelations: * Majority of the 12,616 title deeds issued to Mau settlers were by President Kibaki ahead of 2005 constitutional Referendum. * Those who illegally excised the forest be investigated and prosecuted. * Some of the settlers innocently bought the land parcels from influential politicians and wheeler-dealers. * A quarter of Mau Forest had been hived away. Eviction noticesMany were agreed there must be removals, but not travesty of justice. At no point were the mostly barefooted settlers to be thrown into the open, together with their children. Then politics seeped in and glossed over conservation debate. Kenya Forest Service, which had been dormant all these years, put up eviction notices contradicting those of the Mau Secretariat. But even before the Government took the baby-steps decreed by Cabinet, ejections of settlers began. Some ministers and even Mr Hassan Noor, who chairs the secretariat, started the song, ‘they should go where they belong’. One wonders if the poor souls we saw can really afford several land parcels. But why then did we not ask the IDPs of Rift Valley to go where they belonged? My sources tell me matters got worse because of rivalry between Noor and a top Rift Valley administrator, and between Prime Minister Raila Odinga and Mr William Ruto.In between the political spats, humanitarian crises snowballed and as usual, our leaders saw it as another goldmine to drill for political capital. Positions hardened and today we do not even know what will become of the remaining phases. As Mau settlers trekked out they called themselves GDPs or ‘Government Displaced Persons’ and some politicians decided they were IDPs and deserved a political fund-raiser tempered with ‘alliance building’ ahead of 2012. From then on they became pawns on the political chessboard. Some even started lying they were only GDPs by day!Gold diggersYes, I still support clearance of human settlement in Mau, but it should not be about Raila and Ruto, or political gold diggers such as Uhuru and Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka, or any other political scavenger.We must remind these 2012 campaigners the Ethiopian teaching: " It is foolhardy to climb two trees at once just because one has two feet."As I said in July, in my village meanders a dying river called Molok that was always swollen and crystal clear when I was young. Its mouth is in Mau Forest. It is dying just like the twelve major ones feeding our lakes, livestock and flora and fauna. The pain of seeing old women and children wading through the bowl of dust, water containers on the heads or backs, to dirty water pans miles away, sears my heart.Those of us who grew up in this rural setting know the desperation of a family when the little water left in the pan smells of green algae and animal urea. The putrid smell finds its way in the watery tea served during drought. It is such experiences that wrenched my heart when I listened to former Health minister, Mr Paul Sang, lie through his teeth, saying: "Rain comes from up (or did he mean sky?) and not trees. What will the youth he taught ‘water cycle’ make of him, a role model?I insist Mau be conserved, but that is not license for settlers to be used as pawns and treated like common criminals.-Kaburwo-
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Post by biwott on Nov 28, 2009 23:34:33 GMT 3
Why dont these guys give land instead? esp the thug jomo jnr? Why didnt Raila Odinga help the defenseless women and children as he had promised? Its not Jomo Jr's responsibility to donate his land to evacuees.
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Post by tnk on Nov 29, 2009 0:42:25 GMT 3
reading that report it makes no sense to throw out the peasant farmer with nowhere to go and end up on the sidewalks with no shelter, food etc and then start negotiating with the big shots, who have numerous homes and are in no danger of ever sleeping on the sidewalk. that is grossly unfair on the peasants out on the cold.
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Post by kenyamoja on Nov 29, 2009 5:47:49 GMT 3
Folks, I've argued before that the PM cannot ignore the potential political ramifications of the Mau issue given our politics. That said I've also emphasized that I believe that the PM is on the right side of the issue. Raila is counting on us Kenyans who care for the future of their country to back him up on this fight (the kawaida mwananchi, NGOs, the civil society, pressure groups etc). So far I would say there is still some work to be done. The longer this meme of "Raila is throwing women and children to the roadside" continues the more it becomes a political liability.
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Post by enigma on Nov 29, 2009 8:12:29 GMT 3
I think evictions should continue in earnest. After the last man is evicted, compensation for the deserving cases can then start. It is a painful process but it is necessary. meanwhile adequate relief should be provided to those who are displaced. There is no way change will come if we give a leader a mandate and then when he starts exercising that mandate we suddenly start working out tribal voting permutations.
Mr Biwott, it is immoral for someone (Zakayo) to excise 2000 hectares from a forest and then claim compensation. And that individual is the most vocal opponent of evictions. That tells you that WSR and his clique are doing this for selfish ends. But I really like the way this thing is playing out politically. It is a godsend when in battle, the enemy troops lump together. All you need is one blitz of fire. Any injury inflicted should be so severe that the enemy cannot recover from it. Where is NM?
RAO doesn't have to please any of them, just implement policy and keep talking to the people. Break down the policy in simple terms so that it doesn't seem like it is some distant ideal that doesn't affect them. This is why Kenyans have failed to rise up in the face of corruption. (scandals were hidden in copious reports from the auditor general once a year) and civil society was not as zealous as we have had in the past three years or so.
RAO is doing what he was elected to do (I remember him emphasizing his green credentials in the run up to 2007). i don't remember an MOU with diminutive Zakayo to be left perched upon the branches as others were evicted.
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Post by biwott on Nov 29, 2009 10:39:37 GMT 3
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Post by kaburwo on Nov 29, 2009 16:10:33 GMT 3
Jukwaa has been saying this and Jamhuri is reading it correctly. Is Kanu regrouping for 2012?www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/814100/-/wu8wvez/-/index.html By LUCAS BARASA and PETER LEFTIE The line-up at last Wednesday’s harambee (fundraiser) for Mau evictees spoke volumes about the apparent re-grouping of former Kanu kingpins who were swept out of power in 2002. The guests included politicians who spearheaded Kanu’s presidential campaigns in 2002. Politicians allied to Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta and Agriculture minister William Ruto told the Sunday Nation of ongoing negotiations among those involved in the Kanu 2002 campaigns to re-group ahead of the next election. Another key player linked to the ongoing talks is Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka, a long-serving Kanu national organising secretary in the Moi days who only bolted from the party in October 2002 to join the Narc brigade that propelled Mwai Kibaki to State House. That the Uhuru 2002 campaign brigade was re-grouping was clear from the list of those who attended the controversial harambee at the Nairobis' Panafric Hotel in aid of families removed from the Mau Forest. They included Mr Kenyatta and the three politicians who spearheaded his failed bid, the two Rutos – William and Isaac – and Lugari MP Cyrus Jirongo. Back then both Rutos had been elevated to full ministerial positions by President Daniel arap Moi following the sacking and resignations of a host of ministers. They worked with Mr Jirongo and Mr Julius Sunkuli, who was in charge of national security and provincial administration during President Moi’s last days in office, and traversed the country campaigning for Mr Kenyatta. Lesser playersOther lesser players in the Kanu 2002 campaigns who attended the harambee included Cabinet ministers Mutula Kilonzo and Mohammed Yusuf Haji. Mr Haji and former minister Hussein Maalim led Mr Kenyatta’s campaign in North Eastern Province, while Mr Kilonzo, as the retired president’s lawyer, worked on the sidelines and was rewarded with a nomination to Parliament by Kanu in January 2003. The harambee’s convenor, Kuresoi MP Zakayo Cheruiyot, was the Permanent Secretary in the Internal Security and Provincial Administration ministry and is said to have played a key role in marshalling civil servants to back Mr Kenyatta’s candidacy. “The harambee brought together like-minded MPs. It was not a calculated move (to invite the 2002 Uhuru campaign team). Those who attended are our true friends, and they are the people we will do business with in future,” said Cherangany MP Joshua Kutuny, who was one of the masters of ceremony during the fund-raiser. The clearest indication that the 2002 Uhuru campaign team was re-grouping came from Tourism minister Najib Balala when he said that Mr Kenyatta, Mr Ruto and the absent VP were the men to watch come 2012. Mr Musyoka sent a donation and apologies through Justice minister Kilonzo. “You see this high table, this is the future; if you are not here, you are not the future,” Mr Balala said, adding that the Wednesday meeting was “just the beginning’’. Similar sentiments were echoed by Kamukunji MP Simon Mbugua, a Kenyatta ally, who said, “The gathering represented a political alliance for the young generation to take over the leadership of this country. It was not a harambee per se; it was all about 2012.” According to strategists, the game plan is to forge a common front and isolate Prime Minister Raila Odinga come 2012. The harambee offered a good opportunity to demonstrate their collective opposition to Mr Odinga. It also provided a rare opportunity to display the array of politicians opposed to the PM’s leadership now and in future. That the team is determined to reach out to political leaders from all the country’s provinces with a view to isolating Mr Odinga was illustrated by the regions represented. They included Mr Jirongo and Lands assistant minister Bifwoli Wakoli (Western), Mr Kilonzo, Mr Kiraitu Murungi and Mr Mohammed Kuti (Eastern), and Mr Haji, Mr Mohammed Elmi, Mr Mohammed Affey and Mr Aden Duale (North Eastern). Mr Kenyatta led the Central province team while Mr Balala and Special Programmes minister Naomi Shabaan represented Coast province. The Rift Valley team was led by Mr Ruto (William) and Roads minister Franklin Bett, although conspicuously absent were Industrialisation minister Henry Kosgey and MPs Musa Sirma and Magerer Langat, who are said to be allied to the PM. Higher Education minister Dr Sally Kosgei, also accused in some quarters of backing the PM, was on an official trip but sent her apologies. The only region not represented was Nyanza, and organisers announced later that Trade assistant minister Omingo Magara had sent his donation. Mr Magara has openly identified with Mr Ruto in his fight with Mr Odinga. The attendance of MPs from the Mt Kenya region was praised by the organisers. Friend indeed“Our brothers from Central have clearly demonstrated that they mean well because a friend in need is a friend indeed,” said Mr Kutuny. Mr Kipkorir Menjo, who went to court in 2001 to stop the excision of parts of Mau and other forests, and Bukusu council of elders member Lucas Watta, said the MPs are fighting a losing battle. “Many of them are beneficiaries of illegal allocations of forest land and are using Mr Odinga as a scapegoat,” Mr Watta said. “ It’s a fight between the truth and propaganda,” Mr Menjo said. -Kaburwo-
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Post by nereah on Nov 29, 2009 19:37:53 GMT 3
I agree with those who say Mau is just an excuse. This meeting and the palpable excitement around it was all about one man: Raila Odinga. Their speeches exposed their intent. They have smelt blood and are out to get Raila. But anybody executing a political scheme aimed at finishing Raila needs to have planned very carefully. Fighting Raila is hard work. They need to see the end from the start. They also need to have very clear ideas over who will play what role – I very much suspect that a tower of Babel is being built here. There are too many ego’s here – Uhuru, Kalonzo, Ruto, Jirongo – who’s their leader? And can everybody trust everybody else? Just how many of those 'insider' MPs are sneaking to Raila's house for late night talks? The other reason they have to think carefully, if history is to be believed, is that eventually Raila will regroup and execute a counter strategy of his own and things could get interesting. To help those who set out to ‘fight Raila’, here are FIVE points: 1. Finish the job: the long history that brought us here is clearly that those who fought Mr. Odinga were never keen or able to finish the job. Because of this Raila always rose from the ashes of political battle, like a phoenix, again and again. Moi probably wishes he had hanged Raila in 1982. By 2002, Michael Wamalwa who was allowed pyrrhic victory in Ford-K was for all practical purposes leading the Bukusu. Machiavellian politics are the only politics that may work with Raila. 2. Be on the right side of the argument: Unfortunately there is too much heat, but not enough light from among those that seek to finish Raila. To finish agwambo one must seek moral superiority that would appeal to more than just their immediate community or constituency. The Mau debate for instance is one where Raila holds the higher moral ground. Most Kenyans are not impressed by the MPs gathered at Panafric. When they see serial Molo warmonger Zakayo Cheruiyot, they cringe. Mau is therefore not the battle that will ‘finish Raila’. Just like ‘molasses, violent, tribal’ and other war-tags before had no moral punch in them. Because Raila could offer strong counter-arguments. Something else must be found to 'finish Raila'. 3. Have your timing right: There are no elections round the corner and unless somebody is looking to precipitate one it does seem like there is no logical conclusion to this latest anti-Raila campaign. It is possible that the strategy is to disagree with and attack Raila on every plausible issue until 2012. But this is extremely expensive and assumes that Kenyans will be stupid, and forever captive of political intrigue. And crucially, that Raila will have not plans of his own. 4. Look at the bigger picture: Many people have a warped sense of reality. For instance in executing a war against Raila Odinga, what will victory look like? I would presume that having had such an interesting and eventful career, ending up as Prime Minister, Raila Odinga is almost done. To execute a scorched-earth political war aimed at Raila might succeed eventually, but it might do much more. He will always wield a big constituency that may sway votes. It might force him into grooming another, perhaps even more potent prince.He might revel in a new kingmaker role, a nightmare for any of the pretenders to the throne. But it might also tear a country that should be healing. Therefore the best way to finish Raila is to eclipse him in standing for the truth, fighting for the poor, bravely seeking justice and doing right by the Kenyan people. excellent post roughrider. you and the brilliant minds in this thread have made my evening.
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Post by nereah on Nov 29, 2009 20:54:44 GMT 3
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Post by tnk on Nov 29, 2009 22:21:02 GMT 3
these RV MPs have lost the plot www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=1144029282&cid=4&== The MPs told the Western region that since none of their leaders had declared interest in the presidency, they were considering offering them either the vice-presidency or the prime minister’s post if they supported Ruto. == what makes them think they have the ability to give out any posts? have they read the harmonized draft constitution? the days of dishing out posts as favors are soon going to be gone and what gall is this telling an entire province that they can only deputize, what a bunch of idiots what is their development agenda?
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Post by enigma on Nov 30, 2009 3:52:09 GMT 3
Just out of interest and so we can see how deep the water runs, is there a full list of the MPs who were at Panafric?
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Post by nereah on Nov 30, 2009 8:02:51 GMT 3
Just out of interest and so we can see how deep the water runs, is there a full list of the MPs who were at Panafric? check the latest issue of kenya's premier political gossip sheet, citizen.it has a list of who donated what at mau.there are those who did not attend like kalonzo but invariably were of material and moral help.
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Post by tnk on Nov 30, 2009 10:09:06 GMT 3
kenyatimesonline.com/content.asp?catid=2&articleId=156== A furious Ruto tore into Mr Odinga, accusing him of riding on the back of Kalenjins to ascend to the premiership only to turn against them in the pretense of environmental conservation.Uhuru went overboard saying, “halafu ^^ mwngine ambaye anaangalia maslahi ya cheo chake, tumbo lake na ya watoto wake anakuja kutuambia kuwa tukija kuchangia watoto wa Mau wanaoumia kwenye mvua tutachanganyisha utenda kazi wa serikali.” (another fool who is after the position vested in him by the people, out to safeguard his interests and that of his children is telling us not to attend this fundraiser aimed at helping the suffering children of Mau who are now at camps simply because our attendance will destabilize the operations of the government),” said Uhuru in reference to Raila. == wow a Deputy PM calls his PM - a ^^, so can someone tell me, does that make him a deputy ^^ (still not sure whether that means half a ^^ or twice a ^^) hehehehe the things that come out of our juve leaders mouths are amazing the reality is that there is simply no order or respect in this 40+ cabinet. its a big expensive waste of tax-payer funds here is the finance min. raising funds kando to do something that the govt is supposed to do. obviously this man has no finance/accounting experience. this opens a whole new world then heres are a bunch of cabinet ministers with authority to work as govt to make things work but opt to do stuff on the roadside. why is it so hard for these cabinet ministers to use the cabinet positions to come up with meaningful policy to address the plight of kenyans in general. when the finance minister turned up at the harambee, did he have any idea how much cash was required to have an impact on the displaced persons? assuming yes he did, (assuming otherwise is unimaginable) did he communicate this to the fund raisers i.e they need to come up with x million kshs over a period of y months. evidently incompetence is a virtue ok i've had it with these jokers == hehehe even jukwaa does not allow use of certain words that our mheshimiwas use liberally, tooo funny
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Post by politicalmaniac on Nov 30, 2009 18:48:41 GMT 3
kenyatimesonline.com/content.asp?catid=2&articleId=156== here is the finance min. raising funds kando to do something that the govt is supposed to do. obviously this man has no finance/accounting experience. this opens a whole new world
then heres are a bunch of cabinet ministers with authority to work as govt to make things work but opt to do stuff on the roadside.
why is it so hard for these cabinet ministers to use the cabinet positions to come up with meaningful policy to address the plight of kenyans in general.
when the finance minister turned up at the harambee, did he have any idea how much cash was required to have an impact on the displaced persons? assuming yes he did, (assuming otherwise is unimaginable) did he communicate this to the fund raisers i.e they need to come up with x million kshs over a period of y months.
evidently incompetence is a virtue
ok i've had it with these jokers
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hehehe even jukwaa does not allow use of certain words that our mheshimiwas use liberally,
tooo funny You hit the nail on the head. This is a minister, who one would assume had policy ideas, a venue to sell those policies and enact them into law and the execute them for the benefot of the wenye nchi! Instead they are engaged in shadow boxing. Heaping abuse on the PM and enjoying the benefits of being in the cabinet but trashing it at the same time. What hypocrisy! And jomo jnr is part of th ruling elite with POWER!! Its not like he is a junior coalition partner running some obscure ministry. He has access to the mafian othyaian from nyeri masquerading as P.O.R.K., who ulitmately has final say. Its not R who has final say in the Mau saga. This is one big attempt as distraction. Its aimed at immunizing them when Ocampo knocks at their doors. They will say "Si we changaad money for these poor folks, how then can we be bad people?" R should lay low for a while and give them more rope to hang themselves. Then he should table who has land there and elsewhere and how did they get it? Quantify the land so folks will whistle with amamazement when these figures are published, and damm these foolish idiots.
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Post by kaburwo on Nov 30, 2009 18:55:44 GMT 3
Putting the record straight.
Back to basics with the real problem in the mau.
-Kaburwo-
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Post by kamalet on Nov 30, 2009 19:10:12 GMT 3
Perhaps the person who spoke well of this entire saga is Mutula Kilonzo who suggested that the disagreement between politicians should not be used to get the PM out of office. Let me say here that if push came to shove, Mutula would much prefer Raila out of office to perhaps guarantee a bigger public presence for Kalonzo Musyoka who lives in the shadow of Raila!!
But in this thread, I continuously see so much hypocrisy. When previously anyone attacked Ruto or anyone of the people fighting Raila today, we were told to Keep off ODM. One can only see people in denial that ODM is under the threat of splitting up and losing a key constituency in the Rift Valley. I do not even agree that the people of RV are not fools and will continue to support the PM when their leaders are elsewhere.
If only people realisticaly discussed the problems Jukwaa's party is facing and stop insulting those killing it!
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 30, 2009 20:50:47 GMT 3
KamaleI have no idea what you are trying to say above there. Mara it is about a vote of no confidence which is just a lot of hot air rubbish from ruto, mara it is about ODM losing support from the Rift Valley, mara it is about attacking ruto yada yada. What are you trying to say? The vote of no confidence would be welcome from where I sit. I said right on this thread that Ruto is surrounded by too many juvenile politicians. They can dance for him but they are useless at every level. You don't talk about things like a vote of no confidence unless you can pull it off. These fools can't. They will not get the numbers if it came to it. So what happens if they try their vote and fail? What do they do next? Trying to remove Raila from office because he wants to preserve the mau would be a gigantic gift to the Prime Minister. The country would rally around him. The international community would rally around him and he would win that battle hands down. No problem. Also under NARA either the PM or the president can terminate the GCG. The ODM actually has no say on NARA, the Prime Minister has all the cards on that. If Raila was to write a letter to the president dissolving the GCG the situation would be back to January 2008, minus the violence. Kibaki and Raila would be free to set whatever government they decide on. For one thing they know they have to finish the reform process. Things have gone too far to just zip it back to January 2008. Otherwise you are looking at fresh elections and a complete mess in every department of governance. Even Kibaki can't allow that regardless of his own interests that may be very different from Raila's. Politics is a game of possibilities not fantasies. Raila and Rutos political union is dead. What killed it is much bigger than personalities. In reality the country is better off with Ruto going back to his kanu roots and ganging up with land grabbers. That is where he rightly belongs. He tried the bigger shoes and they just don't fit him. Let him put the smaller kanu shoes where land grabbing is considered a virtue to be celebrated. Good riddance! If ODM has to bend backwards to accommodate thieves they would die a faster death. The country cannot stay glued in the service of land thieves and Ruto had to take a stand consistent with his wider interests. I don't see the big deal about it. William Ruto stood with the Kenyans when a bunch of chauvinists tried to run the country to the ground. He did a good job. Now Ruto is seeing a situation where hundreds of thousands of acres of grabbed land that he and others specialized in during their days as moi's big boys in danger, he had to take a stand. That is his choice. History will judge him for that. I have said so many times that the historic mission of ODM was to help facilitate a democratic and progressive new constitution. They have brought us to the door of that historic achievement. Ironically the stolen elections brought the katiba very close to the republic. We will get there. After that we don't care. We will work with who we have, William Ruto is free to do whatever he wants. That is his problem. He has declared war on Raila and Raila has every right to take the war to him. At any rate Ruto is rapidly running out of options. First he was going to lead people back to the forest. He realized that was a stupid thing to say. Now he has back tracked. Then it was show time with Uhuru. They had their 15 minutes. The country doesn't seem that much excited about the young thieves. In fact I am a little surprised at the level of support the PM is getting from across the country. Kenyans are happy that someone is standing up to the big crooks. And they all want money. Big money. Like this fellow here. www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/814564/-/vnhwcr/-/index.htmlThe more Kenyan see the dirty underbelly of these executive squatters who want to ride on the back of poor peasants to get paid billions of tax payers money the more they are convinced it is time to take the battle to the thieves. Of all the things Ruto would choose to fight Raila on, this is the best for both. Ruto has the illusion that he has all the Kalenjin vote and he can use it to get whatever he wants. Raila has decided he does not want to be the president of a desert. Good choices for both parties. Ruto has given up on ODM without a fight. Let him go to UDM or to Kanu. People will meet in the battlefield as usual. I don't see any problem. The voting public in Kenya is going to teach a lot of politicians a lot of lessons. That much I know for a fact and that is why I keep saying if the PM wants to continue with politics (he doesn't have to, he has done enough already) then just do the work and the votes will come. Kenya will not go back to the moi era. Trust me on that. adongo
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Post by roughrider on Nov 30, 2009 20:58:14 GMT 3
Perhaps the person who spoke well of this entire saga is Mutula Kilonzo who suggested that the disagreement between politicians should not be used to get the PM out of office. Let me say here that if push came to shove, Mutula would much prefer Raila out of office to perhaps guarantee a bigger public presence for Kalonzo Musyoka who lives in the shadow of Raila!! But in this thread, I continuously see so much hypocrisy. When previously anyone attacked Ruto or anyone of the people fighting Raila today, we were told to Keep off ODM. One can only see people in denial that ODM is under the threat of splitting up and losing a key constituency in the Rift Valley. I do not even agree that the people of RV are not fools and will continue to support the PM when their leaders are elsewhere. If only people realisticaly discussed the problems Jukwaa's party is facing and stop insulting those killing it! I've been away too long perhaps - when did Jukwaa acquire a political party? On a different note - I think that a no confidence motion against Raila will be very GOOD for him!!! It is a clear testimony of the low intellectual capital among the Ruto group that they want to bring a motion of no-confidence in the PM. Only one person can benefit from such a motion: Raila Odinga Who advises Ruto? How does he arrive at political decisions? How does he evaluate and determine strategy and tactic? I ask these because I find scant evidence of any intellectually coherent basis for his politics. This is something common among the former youth for Kanu group. They came into politics not because they had developed or were animated by any strong convictions or ideology. They had no moral compunction. They were a 'lobby group' that knew if they got to Moi, they would make $$$$. And they did! But to sustain wealth and maintain relevance, they remained in politics – sealing and doing big business with government. So who advises Ruto? Is there a group of political analysts and scientists who help refine his strategy and give it a coating of intellectual veneer? Or is it the likes of Joshua Kutuny and Zakayo Cheruiyot? I have to ponder this one. Does anybody know?
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Post by roughrider on Nov 30, 2009 21:02:03 GMT 3
Adongo - you beat me to it!
But i edited mine to bring out a different angle.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Nov 30, 2009 21:03:37 GMT 3
And they all want money. Big money. Like this fellow here.
www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/814564/-/vnhwcr/-/index.html
The more Kenyan see the dirty underbelly of these executive squatters who want to ride on the back of poor peasants to get paid billions of tax payers money the more they are convinced it is time to take the battle to the thieves.adongo Interesting article you linked. Thats why its so tough for these people to make a case against R eti he is being 'inhumane'. They are busy trying to hide their a$$ets. R has nothing to fear. If this is what will make him not be elected P.O.R.K, or bring about change, then thats fine. One day the people will cry when the Mau forest is depleted. the stupid assinine effort to launch a Vote of No Confidence is jsut a measure of how desperate and naive these guys are. Your analysis above says it all.
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Post by tnk on Nov 30, 2009 23:51:54 GMT 3
KamaleThe vote of no confidence would be welcome from where I sit. I said right on this thread that Ruto is surrounded by too many juvenile politicians. They can dance for him but they are useless at every level. You don't talk about things like a vote of no confidence unless you can pull it off. These fools can't. They will not get the numbers if it came to it. So what happens if they try their vote and fail? What do they do next? Trying to remove Raila from office because he wants to preserve the mau would be a gigantic gift to the Prime Minister. The country would rally around him. The international community would rally around him and he would win that battle hands down no problem. adongo right on the money bro www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/-/1064/815364/-/item/0/-/ahr1dhz/-/index.html== His critics now think that blocking him from the crucial role might be a better way of signalling their unhappiness than a motion of censure. They reached the conclusion that a no-confidence vote, at a time when the PM enjoys considerable public support over his position on the conservation of the Mau Forest, could be counter-productive == these guys are really too juvenile, how can these guys be called leaders, so since the potential backlash from censure is indeterminate, they want to hit back by supporting a kibaki appointed LGB, now these are people with absolutely no agenda as the saying goes - cut off your nose to spite your face
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Post by politicalmaniac on Dec 1, 2009 0:55:21 GMT 3
he he the push back against idiocy begins here The bumbling fools think yanking the PM willy nilly is an easy affair. I know many have written off R in RV but hey, coalitions will still need to be crafted. Pulling a Judas Km may not work for the spoilers this time around.
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