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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 29, 2011 14:31:06 GMT 3
NAIROBI, Kenya Mar 29 - A Nairobi lawyer has now filed a petition seeking prosecution of three top leaders of the Orange Democratic Movement (ODM) over their alleged involvement in planning the 2008 post-election violence. Njenga Mwangi wants Attorney General Amos Wako to have Cabinet Ministers Anyang Nyong’o, Otieno Kajwang and Assistant Minister Elizabeth Ongoro arraigned in court over the deadly clashes that claimed the lives of 1,500 people. He also wants a Mr Achola, who is a councillor of Utalii Ward in Kasarani prosecuted alongside the three leaders for alleged roles that led to the deadly chaos that hit the country soon after the disputed elections of 2007. “I have filed the petition, and all I want is the AG to take action, incase he fails to take any action I shall move to the High Court to seek summonses,” he said in a telephone interview. In his petition, Mr Mwangi said he had listed murder, forceful eviction and rape as part of the crimes he wanted the four to be prosecuted for in court. “We have evidence to show that all these crimes were committed and we have evidence to show who was involved in planning them; that is why we want justice done,” he said. Asked if his intention to move to court was politically motivated he said “all we want is justice. Anyone who wants to read politics in it is up to him, we stand for justice.” Mr Nyong’o is the Secretary General of the ODM while Mr Kajwang and Ms Ongoro are members who have national influence as well as in their respective areas. Mr Mwangi said he wants the four leaders held responsible for the crimes he says were committed in Mathare and Kibera slums where hundreds of people were killed and thousands more displaced. Six Kenyans are wanted at the International Criminal Court on April 7 over their alleged roles in planning or funding the post election violence of 2008 when Raila Odinga claimed he had been robbed of his victory by incumbent President Mwai Kibaki. The dispute was later resolved when former UN chief Koffi Annan mediated the crisis and convinced President Kibaki to share power with his bitter rival who was then named Prime Minister. A commission was later formed to investigate the cause of the violence in the country and handed its report to the two principals and Dr Annan. The report was also handed over to the ICC which initiated an investigation after Kenya failed to establish a local tribunal to try masterminds of the chaos. ICC Prosecutor Luis Moreno Ocampo has now zeroed in on Deputy Prime Minister and Finance Minister Uhuru Kenyatta, Head of the Civil Service Amb Francis Muthaura and former Police Commissioner Mohammed Hussein Ali as the ones to blame for the chaos in the country. Others wanted by the ICC include suspended Higher Education Minister Uhuru Kenyatta, Tinderet MP Henry Kosgey as well as KASS FM Radio Presenter Joshua Arap Sang. All the six suspects have been summoned to make an initial appearance at The Hague on April 7 and April 8. www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/Kenyanews/Lawyer-wants-Nyong%92o%2C-Kajwang-charged-over-PEV-12214.html
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Post by funkentelechy on Mar 29, 2011 14:35:58 GMT 3
Why doesn't he simply fill a P3 form and record a statement?
He's a lawyer; he should know better.
He's just launching his political career. He might want to be the "House of Mumbi" candidate, replacing Hague-bound Uhuru.
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 29, 2011 14:45:26 GMT 3
Why doesn't he simply fill a P3 form and record a statement? He's a lawyer; he should know better. He's just launching his political career. He might want to be the "House of Mumbi" candidate, replacing Hague-bound Uhuru. Lots of people should be held responsible for P.E.V. More to fall soon.
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Post by mzalendo on Mar 29, 2011 14:45:59 GMT 3
he he he. This is icredibly hilarious! Ooh Dear me.And then what? the hague trains suddenly screeching to a hault in face of the government renewed effort to stem impunity.
PNU with another crazy idea at this injury time in a crucial battle for defferal. God help them.
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Post by mzalendo on Mar 29, 2011 14:51:28 GMT 3
Why doesn't he simply fill a P3 form and record a statement? He's a lawyer; he should know better. He's just launching his political career. He might want to be the "House of Mumbi" candidate, replacing Hague-bound Uhuru. Lots of people should be held responsible for P.E.V. More to fall soon. noway. Tell me you are not serious, To believe that Mwangi is actually persuing justice for PEV Victims.
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 29, 2011 15:22:27 GMT 3
Lots of people should be held responsible for P.E.V. More to fall soon. noway. Tell me you are not serious, To believe that Mwangi is actually persuing justice for PEV Victims. All the people who contributed to the P.E.V. should be held accountable and answer for their sins .
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Post by kamalet on Mar 29, 2011 15:59:21 GMT 3
How about an ODM supporting lawyer doing the same for the PNU perpetrators? It is a free country - and anyone who imagines he can get justice for the PEV victims should be encouraged rather than laughed at.
But as visitor "moseskuria" noted, the ODM defence brigade will never take anything lying down.
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Post by funkentelechy on Mar 29, 2011 16:30:40 GMT 3
People who lodge frivolous lawsuits, or even poorly founded lawsuits such as this one (has he exhausted the standard legal machinery for reporting crime?) should be surcharged, with the money going towards the establishment and maintenance of a proposed Legal Aid system.
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Post by phil on Mar 29, 2011 16:35:36 GMT 3
Wacheni upuuzi Kamale.
Just a week ago, civil society spent three agonizing days trying to raise bail money for 22 genuine IDPs to be released from the Naivasha Maximum Remand Prison. The IDPs had been arrested much earlier and charged with illegal assembly while in reality they were protesting their continued stay under very difficult conditions three years after they were displaced from their homes. These are the people Kamale keeps calling imposters who are taking advantage of PEV to get free farms.
I did not see lawyer Njenga Mwangi or Moses Kuria defending these innocent Kenyans, but instead it was IMLU, KHRC and ICPC which everyone knows have since 2007/8 stood in solidarity with IDPs and other vulnerable groups providing legal, moral and material support to these IDPs, while government spends hundreds of millions in useless shuttle diplomacy trying to buy freedom for perpetrators of PEV. How immoral!
Kibaki and Uhuru sent Mbugua's Admin Police to tear gas these Kenyans whom Moses Kuria self-appointed himself as chairman of, and these homeless citizens were simply exercising their constitutional right to demonstrate peacefully but Kibaki and Uhuru see them as an embarrassment to their state largesse.
Therefore lawyer Njenga Mwangi and Moses Kuria can do all what they want but that is an act of desperation by the real criminals, using every available method to show that Kenya can indeed try its own for PEV. Problem is the ICC train left eons ago.
And the most outrageous and tasteless thing about this whole Uhuru charade is that while Moses Kuria and lawyer Njenga Mwangi are happy to be puppets for billionnaire Uhuru Kenyatta, back in Naivasha each of the 22 IDPs deposit cash Bail, of Kshs. 5,000 while the 'Chairman' and his driver Kshs. 50, 000 each.
Now listen to this; Uhuru's anti-Raila roadshows each week costs at least Kshs. 10 million, not counting allowances for councillors and MPs who must be seen to be accompanying 2012 presidential 'frontrunner'. Then Moses Kuria comes here and calls himself IDP Chairman? An IDP Chairman who cannot tell-off his boss for misplacing priorities? An IDP Chairman who is happy to use IDPs as voting machines and then human shields in the volatile Rift Valley, and are now busy setting up the same people to yet another bloodbath? Moses Kuria even if Uhuru pays you a million bucks each week, please be warned that the blood of these innocent souls will haunt you forever.
Kamale, Kuria, Mwangi and Waweru; please, spare Jukwaa the shameless hypocrisy.
Recall William Ruto also had his lawyer in Jukwaa spewing the same nonsense you see Uhuru's people wasting bandwidth with here. Eventually he gave up the fight and registered another handle because he simply could not handle the heat. So Moses Kuria, karibu jikoni.
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Post by kamalet on Mar 29, 2011 16:41:19 GMT 3
Phil
What upuuzi my brother? You have fake people hoping to benefit from where they did not reap and you are now trying to make political capital out of it? I am sure you read about their chairman who drives a bigger car than mine, has a cheaper laptop than me and has a blackberry to boot.....! Now that is your typical IDP - activist by day and dairy farmer by night!
My friend Caxton should file the private prosecution pronto and I am not even sure why he is going to the AG for permission if he believes he has the evidence to get these ODMers jailed.
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 29, 2011 17:10:59 GMT 3
Wacheni upuuzi Kamale. I did not see lawyer Njenga Mwangi or Moses Kuria defending these innocent Kenyans, but instead it was IMLU, KHRC and ICPC which everyone knows have since 2007/8 stood in solidarity with IDPs and other vulnerable groups providing legal, moral and material support to these IDPs, while government spends hundreds of millions in useless shuttle diplomacy trying to buy freedom for perpetrators of PEV. How immoral!
The same KHRC you are quoting as having defended IDPS is the same one which has been quoted in the lawsuit as the source of information of the alleged perpetrators www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Lawyer+wants+ministers+charged+over+poll+chaos+/-/1064/1135058/-/ks9roa/-/index.htmlA Nairobi lawyer has notified Attorney General Amos Wako of his intention to institute private prosecution against three ministers on behalf of post-election violence victims. Mr Njenga Mwangi told the AG that his clients intend to use information contained in a report by the Kenya National Commission on Human Rights and other public documents to have ministers Anyang' Nyong'o (Medical Services), Otieno Kajwang' (Immigration) Nairobi Metropolitan Development assistant minister Elizabeth Ongoro and a Nairobi councillor.
“Our clients’ instructions are that unless you institute prosecutions against the said persons within the next seven days, we have firm instructions to institute private prosecution against the named individuals,” said Mr Mwangi. He said that their clients’ intention is to have the four charged for crimes committed in Nairobi during the post-poll chaos. Ms Ongoro and councillor Ochola are named in the KNCHR report as alleged perpetrators while Mr Nyongo and Mr Kajwang were on record as having called for mass action.In the notice delivered to the AG’s office Tuesday, Mr Mwangi said that his clients, residents of Kibera amd Mathare, were targeted for supporting PNU and due to their ethnicity. He added that his clients were forcibly evicted from their homes and their belongings looted. “In spite of your (AG) office being seized with this evidence, you have failed and/or neglected to institute prosecutions against the named suspects as a result of which our clients continue to suffer,” said Mr Mwangi. He added that the AG can use both the Penal Code and the International Crimes Act to open charges against the four individuals. In the KNCHR report, Ms Ongoro is alleged to have supplied money for petrol used to burn down houses and property in Kijiji cha Chewa in Kasarani. Mr Ochola is alleged to have financed the purchase of petrol to make petrol bombs and paid arsonists Sh400 a day. The KNCHR list, however, contains more than 200 alleged perpetrators and carries a caution that those are only allegations and more investigations should be conducted.
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Post by nalinali on Mar 29, 2011 17:12:05 GMT 3
All along the talk has been that Raila is responsible for PEV. PNU knows it, AU knows it too and Uhuru has all the evidence. Why can't Mwangi just up the ante and request to charge Raila. It will make a lot more sense as it will demonstrate that Kenya's juridical set-up is impartial and in fear of no one.
It may be the right time to get that pop-corn.
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Post by job on Mar 29, 2011 18:00:30 GMT 3
All along the talk has been that Raila is responsible for PEV. PNU knows it, AU knows it too and Uhuru has all the evidence. Why can't Mwangi just up the ante and request to charge Raila. It will make a lot more sense as it will demonstrate that Kenya's juridical set-up is impartial and in fear of no one. It may be the right time to get that pop-corn. This is exactly why any LOCAL JUDICIAL PROCESS on something as serious as PEV will not have any CREDIBILITY....This is why the ICC process enjoys overwhelming popularity with Kenyans? And needless to state, this is why prosecution of the Ocampo six SHALL remain at the Hague. It ain't 'bout frivolous, vexatious, malicious, & mischevious witch-hunts, politics and selective targeting. It's about Justice!
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 29, 2011 18:08:57 GMT 3
This is just part of the lot to demonize Luos
Why did he not seek prosecutions of say Jackson Kibor in Eldoret? What an AH
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 29, 2011 18:10:24 GMT 3
All along the talk has been that Raila is responsible for PEV. PNU knows it, AU knows it too and Uhuru has all the evidence. Why can't Mwangi just up the ante and request to charge Raila. It will make a lot more sense as it will demonstrate that Kenya's juridical set-up is impartial and in fear of no one. It may be the right time to get that pop-corn. This is exactly why any LOCAL JUDICIAL PROCESS on something as serious as PEV will not have any CREDIBILITY....This is why the ICC process enjoys overwhelming popularity with Kenyans? And needless to state, this is why prosecution of the Ocampo six SHALL remain at the Hague. It ain't 'bout frivolous, vexatious, malicious, & mischevious witch-hunts, politics and selective targeting. It's about Justice! This should tell you that there is a huge body of Kenyans out there who strongly feel that ICC is not about justice. So even as you vilify the Kenyan justice system, know that there are Kenyans who do not trust ICC either. As we prosecute the Ocampo 6, what do we do to those who hold the conviction that the real culprits are blowing 2,500/- every lunchtime at Serena?
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Post by nalinali on Mar 29, 2011 18:18:31 GMT 3
All along the talk has been that Raila is responsible for PEV. PNU knows it, AU knows it too and Uhuru has all the evidence. Why can't Mwangi just up the ante and request to charge Raila. It will make a lot more sense as it will demonstrate that Kenya's juridical set-up is impartial and in fear of no one. It may be the right time to get that pop-corn. This is exactly why any LOCAL JUDICIAL PROCESS on something as serious as PEV will not have any CREDIBILITY....This is why the ICC process enjoys overwhelming popularity with Kenyans? And needless to state, this is why prosecution of the Ocampo six SHALL remain at the Hague. It ain't 'bout frivolous, vexatious, malicious, & mischevious witch-hunts, politics and selective targeting. It's about Justice! Job My sentiments exactly. It would have made sense if Mwangi had sought permission to charge all those allegedly mentioned by the report on which they rely. That might just advance a genuine case of a concern for justice of the PEV. The "selective targeting" they seem to favor fulfills PNU's desire to complement the summons of Ocampo six with a concurrent process implicating a few "O"s. This is insidious.
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Post by johns on Mar 29, 2011 18:42:34 GMT 3
This is exactly why any LOCAL JUDICIAL PROCESS on something as serious as PEV will not have any CREDIBILITY....This is why the ICC process enjoys overwhelming popularity with Kenyans? And needless to state, this is why prosecution of the Ocampo six SHALL remain at the Hague. It ain't 'bout frivolous, vexatious, malicious, & mischevious witch-hunts, politics and selective targeting. It's about Justice! This should tell you that there is a huge body of Kenyans out there who strongly feel that ICC is not about justice. So even as you vilify the Kenyan justice system, know that there are Kenyans who do not trust ICC either. As we prosecute the Ocampo 6, what do we do to those who hold the conviction that the real culprits are blowing 2,500/- every lunchtime at Serena? Mwalimumkuu, When or how long does it take for something to penetrate your skull and make meaning to your brain cells? For Pete's sake, if you must be reminded, calling for mass action is not a crime. If mass action in itself was a crime, Gaddafi would not be in as much trouble as he find himself now before the international community. Why am i explaining this to a grown up who should know better. It is so tiring that we have to recycle all these arguments over and over. Its one thing to hope that your greatest enemy or somebody you despise is vanquished so as to achieve your pleasure, but please if you must, do it on a substantive issue. For how long are you going to carry ignorance as a badge of honour? Please grow up and move on to other issues with value.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 29, 2011 19:11:57 GMT 3
Relax my friend, you have a knack of hitting the roof even before you comprehend what someone is saying here. If you went back to my post, you will realize that I am only asking what we shall do with the many Kenyans out there including this lawyer, who believe that the real culprits are still out there and are being protected by the ICC. Take the ngumbaru of Gaddafi to them? Try it and I will wish you luck on that. I rest my case Bw. Johns and move to other things of value, whatever that means. Meanwhile enjoy the music in this clip from around 1.01-1.13: www.youtube.com/user/standardgroupkenya#p/u/1/9di-qH8NnkcI found it to be very relaxing and entertaining it may help you cool down.
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 29, 2011 19:34:02 GMT 3
hehehehehe
I am surprised the lawyers did not rush this new hot evidence to The Hague and demand an immediate meeting with Ocampo. These guys may have found the smoking gun. Poor Nyong'o must be tetemekaring. He has been battling that nasty disease and now this.
Please let us know when the Nyong'o fundraising begins. I am hoping my lottery ticket may came back with big numbers this week so I could even handle this myself.
In the meantime those guys need to hop in the presidential jet and head to the Hague mara moja. The real culprits have finally been found. Halleluja. Off with their heads.
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Post by johns on Mar 29, 2011 19:40:06 GMT 3
@ Mwalimumkuu
Why hit the roof with such soothing music as that. Thank you for having me in your thoughts.
On a serious note, you and many others have been on this path for so long, where you equate mass action to a crime. If you want me to pull out your hypocrisy,i will. But as a peddler of impunity that you have become, that will be another badge of honour which i am not going to give you on a platter. You must earn it.
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Post by bob on Mar 29, 2011 21:45:14 GMT 3
I really don't intent to insult anyone but sometimes I forced to believe that some people are either smoking weed or are consumers of the recently nabbed haul of drugs. All along some guy called learned friend has been having this evidence about the PEV yet he has kept it to himself until we as a country have suffered alot of humiliation internationally & as well as locally. This guy is an insult to the legal fraternity.This is corruption, conman-ship, I call upon the LSK advise this guy to style up. Who are his clients? I beg to know. Having stepped into a class to study Law I feel ashamed .
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Post by b6k on Mar 30, 2011 0:45:41 GMT 3
This should tell you that there is a huge body of Kenyans out there who strongly feel that ICC is not about justice. So even as you vilify the Kenyan justice system, know that there are Kenyans who do not trust ICC either. As we prosecute the Ocampo 6, what do we do to those who hold the conviction that the real culprits are blowing 2,500/- every lunchtime at Serena? Mwalimumkuu, When or how long does it take for something to penetrate your skull and make meaning to your brain cells? For Pete's sake, if you must be reminded, calling for mass action is not a crime. If mass action in itself was a crime, Gaddafi would not be in as much trouble as he find himself now before the international community. Why am i explaining this to a grown up who should know better. It is so tiring that we have to recycle all these arguments over and over. Its one thing to hope that your greatest enemy or somebody you despise is vanquished so as to achieve your pleasure, but please if you must, do it on a substantive issue. For how long are you going to carry ignorance as a badge of honour? Please grow up and move on to other issues with value. Johns, I think it really depends what exactly it is you mean by mass action. If by mass action you mean an act of civil disobedience through non-violent means, then yes it can be said to be your right (although you are breaking an unjust law, which technically is illegal). Orderly protest marches, Egyptian style sit-ins, peacefull picketing would fall into this category. However, if by mass action you advocate the use of violence against others in order to make a political point then that would be illegal. Looting, running street battles, destruction of property are the rule here. On the extreme end of violent mass action, those leaders who called for the country to be "ungovernable" by disrupting day to day activities do have a case to answer to. The uprooting of railway lines, blocking of highways to starve neighbouring countries of fuel & supplies, & RVP style bloodletting all fall into this category. So it begs the question, what exactly did ODM mean by mass action?
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Post by okolowaka on Mar 30, 2011 2:13:55 GMT 3
...and so the story continues, dear Jukwaa, a local mechanism is now here with us and those who bear greatest responsibility have been identified, no need for Uhuru and Muthaura to go to the Hague after all...
Are you freakin kidding me ;D ;D ;D...!
Poor planning and poor execution as usual, looks like a duck (naked emperor and his tailors), walks like a duck (naked emperor and his tailors), quacks like a duck (naked emperor and his tailors)...
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 30, 2011 2:15:57 GMT 3
Mwalimumkuu, When or how long does it take for something to penetrate your skull and make meaning to your brain cells? For Pete's sake, if you must be reminded, calling for mass action is not a crime. If mass action in itself was a crime, Gaddafi would not be in as much trouble as he find himself now before the international community. Why am i explaining this to a grown up who should know better. It is so tiring that we have to recycle all these arguments over and over. Its one thing to hope that your greatest enemy or somebody you despise is vanquished so as to achieve your pleasure, but please if you must, do it on a substantive issue. For how long are you going to carry ignorance as a badge of honour? Please grow up and move on to other issues with value. Johns, I think it really depends what exactly it is you mean by mass action. If by mass action you mean an act of civil disobedience through non-violent means, then yes it can be said to be your right (although you are breaking an unjust law, which technically is illegal). Orderly protest marches, Egyptian style sit-ins, peacefull picketing would fall into this category. However, if by mass action you advocate the use of violence against others in order to make a political point then that would be illegal. Looting, running street battles, destruction of property are the rule here. On the extreme end of violent mass action, those leaders who called for the country to be "ungovernable" by disrupting day to day activities do have a case to answer to. The uprooting of railway lines, blocking of highways to starve neighbouring countries of fuel & supplies, & RVP style bloodletting all fall into this category. So it begs the question, what exactly did ODM mean by mass action? We had this debate two years ago. It is a dead end and a waste of time and space. It is just nonsense really. NEXT, please.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Mar 30, 2011 2:24:42 GMT 3
b6k Did you hear anywhere ODM tell folks to block highways, uproot rail lines and engage in "RV bloodletting"
Who gave those specific orders? Who? Maybe thats your definition of mass action.
ODM called for mass action the way you first described it, peaceful marches of protest. But it was never to be. Your guy muthaura and Ali sent his goons with shoot to kill orders. Wana Jukwaa lost loved ones that way.
But like those thugs who came with whips in Tahrir square, some folks can do stupid stuff. They will take their law into their own hands. I just witnesses the anarchist run riot and break window shops as they were also protesting the Conservative policies in the UK.
Soo dont try and take us for fools. Many a protest take its own life once its starts
However hard you try, you will never be able to twist what kina ruto are alleged to have done - herd folks into a church and burn them, or what kina jomo jnr are alleged to have done, burn children and families in their houses.
In Kenya there is nothing like a peaceful mass protest. Si hivi majuzi IDPs (mainly from Central Kenya) were twangwaad by the same Govt which is headed by a guy from Central. Infact 20 of them are in jail as we speak.
So dont come here all haughty and mighty trying to draw moral equivalence between calls for protests and mafiya thugery!
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