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Post by kamalet on Apr 5, 2011 12:03:11 GMT 3
Somebody remind MK to make a copy of this to Kibunjia, i think from here we can start discussing what actually amounts to hate speech. Mk I am sarting to wonder how you got that job in the first place. I am thoroughly disappointed. Kibunja does not deal with 'hate' at a personal level. Raila hating is fair game as is Kibaki or Ruto/Uhuru hating. The problem comes in when you refer to kikuyus as fools. Now that will lead Kibunja to your door. .....but then I know where you are coming from. An insult on the person of Raila is an insult on the whole community he comes from! I that be the case, then bring in Kibunja pronto! |
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Post by destiny on Apr 5, 2011 12:36:51 GMT 3
Was watching KTN news at 9 yesterday where Mutahi Ngunyi was saying that Uhuru's anger was "misplaced" by directing it at Raila instead of Kibaki. He did not elaborate but I think what he meant was that Uhuru was "protecting" his people (Agikuyu) because Kibaki had failed to do that! On the other hand, he said Ruto was somehow justified in directing his anger at Raila. He explained that the "real strategists" of war in ODM were free but the likes of Ruto who were generals in the field were the ones who had been cornered...The saga continues!!
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Post by kamalet on Apr 5, 2011 12:50:10 GMT 3
Was watching KTN news at 9 yesterday where Mutahi Ngunyi was saying that Uhuru's anger was "misplaced" by directing it at Raila instead of Kibaki. He did not elaborate but I think what he meant was that Uhuru was "protecting" his people (Agikuyu) because Kibaki had failed to do that! On the other hand, he said Ruto was somehow justified in directing his anger at Raila. He explained that the "real strategists" of war in ODM were free but the likes of Ruto who were generals in the field were the ones who had been cornered...The saga continues!! Mutahi got it wrong on this one. My view is that Uhuru just like Ruto have a case in directing their anger at Raila rather than Kibaki. The fact that Raila has not been helpful in this entire saga whilst Kibaki would appear to have bent all the rules to get the six out of trouble with the ICC justifies their anger. Of course the debate can fly as to whether Raila was right or wrong in his apparent switching off of support in the eyes of Kenyans. |
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Post by destiny on Apr 5, 2011 13:17:41 GMT 3
Kamale
Why has Kibaki generally given these "prayer/peace rallies" a wide berth if indeed he cares for the two brothers in crime? He should at least have had the courtesy of attending the last rally held in jigger infested Gatundu yesterday, ironically the most backward constituency in Central.
I remember Mutula and Karua pleading passionately for local tribunal but were laughed out of town. Mutula was so incensed that he even dared Kibaki to resign for failure to win a local solution. I think it's too late for anyone to pretend and hit a U-turn when the horses have already bolted. In any case I don't see how Raila's backing of a lost cause would influence the highly independent ICC.
While these suspects are away, the sun will still shine and the birds will still sing. Actually, Kenya will be a bit quieter without all the flying matusis from some very foul mouthed people. Hell, we will even save plenty of money since hundreds of cops won't be assigned to those dubious "peace" rallies but will be where they are needed most- on the streets fighting crime.
In today's Nation, Uhuru is quoted as saying that even if they are locked for 100 years, at least they have cemented peace between two rival communities of Kikuyu and Kalenjins. For once in his life, he can actually imagine being jailed!!!
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Post by nowayhaha on Apr 5, 2011 13:56:13 GMT 3
Somebody remind MK to make a copy of this to Kibunjia, i think from here we can start discussing what actually amounts to hate speech. Mk I am sarting to wonder how you got that job in the first place. I am thoroughly disappointed. Kibunja does not deal with 'hate' at a personal level. Raila hating is fair game as is Kibaki or Ruto/Uhuru hating. The problem comes in when you refer to kikuyus as fools. Now that will lead Kibunja to your door. .....but then I know where you are coming from. An insult on the person of Raila is an insult on the whole community he comes from! I that be the case, then bring in Kibunja pronto! This is a double edged sword . It will bar Raila from talking against Uhuru/Ruto and I bet this is one of the offensive tactics this lot has been using . Let Kibunja issue the summons and Raila attack Uhuruto and this will boil to "Kibunja team is lenient on Raila because he is the Prime Minister and the incumbent " |
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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 5, 2011 19:34:10 GMT 3
Moses Kuria is no fool. You would have to think the PNU lot a breed of idiots, for them to pick a moron to be their spokesman. That would be conceited arrogance.
A propandist need not write nor say intelligent things. But he must think instrumentally. Therefore a brilliant propandist can, depending on his analysis of the audience whose loyalties he wants to manipulate, be outrageously stupid in appearance. I will give a lesson from the father of modern political morbidity, Goebbels. He wrote down for Hitler to say: The Jews are a race of rats, vermin and rodents who if let loose in German Aryan culture and nation, would infest her with the germ of a new dark age! Alas!
However, privately, Goebbels read the best of German literatis, who were mostly Jewish writers. Several leading scientists of the Nobel price kind were Jewish, and leading German thinkers and philosophers too. German civilisation had a jewish avant garde. Goebbels was a clever man who would dedicate his mind to lying, outrageously! AND HE KNEW IT! Totally raping the history of his country.
I am sure Kuria knows he is intellectually absurd in this article. But he must have made a certain [political] calculation as to the effect it will have in a certain ongoing discourse, in a certain segment of society. This is real politic, murky and deadly. It is part of the process of creating a [nationalist] hysteria. A very significant part. That is, the intellectual wing of a ruling party has decided the future of the country will not be decided on rationality. Men are sowing the wind, the harvest maybe more than we are bhargaining for.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 6, 2011 9:00:38 GMT 3
Moses Kuria is no fool. You would have to think the PNU lot a breed of idiots, for them to pick a moron to be their spokesman. That would be conceited arrogance. A propandist need not write nor say intelligent things. But he must think instrumentally. Therefore a brilliant propandist can, depending on his analysis of the audience whose loyalties he wants to manipulate, be outrageously stupid in appearance. I will give a lesson from the father of modern political morbidity, Goebbels. He wrote down for Hitler to say: The Jews are a race of rats, vermin and rodents who if let loose in German Aryan culture and nation, would infest her with the germ of a new dark age! Alas! However, privately, Goebbels read the best of German literatis, who were mostly Jewish writers. Several leading scientists of the Nobel price kind were Jewish, and leading German thinkers and philosophers too. German civilisation had a jewish avant garde. Goebbels was a clever man who would dedicate his mind to lying, outrageously! AND HE KNEW IT! Totally raping the history of his country. I am sure Kuria knows he is intellectually absurd in this article. But he must have made a certain [political] calculation as to the effect it will have in a certain ongoing discourse, in a certain segment of society. This is real politic, murky and deadly. It is part of the process of creating a [nationalist] hysteria. A very significant part. That is, the intellectual wing of a ruling party has decided the future of the country will not be decided on rationality. Men are sowing the wind, the harvest maybe more than we are bhargaining for. As I said, Kuria is reducing himself to the level of riducule as Miguna has. Both seem happy engaging in juvenile rants and they do certainly have an audience to address. It is every individuals duty to see through the two..... |
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