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Post by kamalet on May 23, 2012 9:27:42 GMT 3
"change of mind brought about by new strategic insights" means exactly that - flip flop!
Raila cannot make political capital of the MRC just because Ruto and Mudavadi want to talk to the treacherous characters. But you cannot blame Raila, he rarely knows when he is a politician figting tear gas and when he is PM of the republic of Kenya.
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Post by marikopolitico on May 23, 2012 19:53:46 GMT 3
It irks me that Raila is taking this matter as a campaign joke. It really does.
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Post by joblesscorner on Jul 25, 2012 19:57:25 GMT 3
MRC's case July 25, 2012. The High Court lifted the ban on Posted Wednesday, July 25 2012 at 12:13The High Court in Mombasa has lifted the ban on the Mombasa Republican Council. A three-judge bench consisting of Justices John Mwera, Mary Kasango and Francis Tuiyott ruled that the Gazette Notice that declared the MRC illegal was unconstitutional. The judges advised the group to register as a political party to pursue its agenda through legal means. And apparently alive to the fact that Kenyans may question the rationale behind their judgment, more so in the light of the group’s secession demands, the judges pointed out that secession was a weighty matter that could not be realised through the means the group was pursuing. “There may be Kenyans who may disenchanted with the our decision. Some would see it as an www.nation.co.ke/News/Court+lifts+Mombasa+Republican+Council+ban/-/1056/1462994/-/xftshpz/-/index.html
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Post by barmasaiengkeiyo on Jul 25, 2012 22:24:33 GMT 3
I support MRC....when families like Kenyatta and Criticos families own entire counties, with natives as squatters, what do you expect them to do?? Kenya cannot use arms to fight secessionists because they are protected by international law...South Sudanese, Kosovo and Timor are examples. MRC should play victim, not the aggressor. Kenyan mandarins who have stolen and opressed people should be taught a lesson. Infact, 1. Turkana sio kenya 2. Pokot sio Kenya 3. Marsabit sio Kenya 4. Nyanza sio Kenya 5. R. Valley sio Kenya 6. Pwani sio Kenya 7. Western sio Kenya 8. Garissa and wajir sio Kenya
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Post by kamalet on Jul 27, 2012 12:44:32 GMT 3
I support MRC....when families like Kenyatta and Criticos families own entire counties, with natives as squatters, what do you expect them to do?? Kenya cannot use arms to fight secessionists because they are protected by international law...South Sudanese, Kosovo and Timor are examples. MRC should play victim, not the aggressor. Kenyan mandarins who have stolen and opressed people should be taught a lesson. Infact, 1. Turkana sio kenya 2. Pokot sio Kenya 3. Marsabit sio Kenya 4. Nyanza sio Kenya 5. R. Valley sio Kenya 6. Pwani sio Kenya 7. Western sio Kenya 8. Garissa and wajir sio Kenya ...and you have actually looked at your own moniker?!!!
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Post by kamalet on Jul 27, 2012 12:47:37 GMT 3
One must surely feel sorry for the MRC guys. They go to court and then find themselves neutered by the same court they thought would help them...!!!
They cannot secede which was their main campaign platform! They cannot form a political party as they would have to go national They cannot violently stop election...that is illegal as per the courts!
So what else would be there for them??
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Post by phil on Oct 4, 2012 17:37:15 GMT 3
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Post by kamalet on Oct 4, 2012 19:09:36 GMT 3
And these are the guys Raila wanted to dialogue with??
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Post by joblesscorner on Oct 4, 2012 19:26:05 GMT 3
MRC.PASTOR AFANYA MKUTANO NDANI YA KANISA.mp4
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Post by joblesscorner on Oct 4, 2012 21:16:17 GMT 3
As much as MRC has the right to be heard, and I believe they have grievances to be considered. They govt cant contain the group, it keeps growing Day by Day....
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Post by joblesscorner on Oct 4, 2012 21:20:23 GMT 3
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Post by abdulmote on Oct 4, 2012 21:34:27 GMT 3
This chap is talking a lot of nonsense and comes across as worst than the "wana siasa" he is talking about. Opportunistic cone!
The Police Comm should update us on this pronto. The Gov should not allow this incident to be fed by lack of correct information and spreading of baseless romours.
Kenyans need to know what exactly happened in Mtwapa as soon as.
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Post by mzee on Oct 5, 2012 12:25:35 GMT 3
I believe that the MRC has not done itself justice by attacking the minister and killing his bodyguard. This, I believe, this is the turning point for this organization that is growing bolder by the day. Opinion has been that this was not a criminal group but people fighting for historical injustices. After what happened, we can say that MRC is a criminal gang that must be stumped out by all means necessary.
My belief is that the tide has completely turned against these people and no politician would want to be identified with them. I think that this is the worst move ever by this group and they will pay for it .
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Post by jakaswanga on Oct 5, 2012 15:17:52 GMT 3
As much as MRC has the right to be heard, and I believe they have grievances to be considered. They govt cant contain the group, it keeps growing Day by Day.... At a glance, they would be random events, uncoordinated with no underlying connection. --The besieging of a police station in Kisumu by gang members seeking to free one of their own; the tribal clashes in the Tana which left hundreds dead, the riot in Kayole in the wake of the Masai controversy; the riot in the area where a child died after a grenade was thrown into the church; the riots following the execution of Sheik Rogo in Mombasa; the lynching last week of 11 suspected members of MRC rumoured to have been conducting an oathing ceremony; and lately the attempt on the life of Amason Kingi in Mtwapa, allegedly by MRC loyalists. I have tried with care to look at those who have been arrested following these cases, to find a kind of common denominator. Tana brought in barefoot teenagers, wearing rags, and in every inch destitute. And that was the picture I continued to get across the board, looking at the enemies of state. Majorly a destitute youth, urban or rural. We thus have a youth problem, typical of every society yes, but the difference in Kenya, is that we do not have a game plan to solve the youth problem. This means the youth are left more to their own devices, which means a cocktail of gangs, petty crime and the social radicalisation engendered in impoverishment. A confrontation then looms between this ragtag army of social outcasts, and the forces of law and order protecting the status quo, which has exorcised them, and will brutalise them on contact, in the rule. This is a classic problem solvable by 1: mass incaceration. This is the Reaganomics, republican party's answer to massive crime in american black ghettos. Never has a civilised society jailed so many particular young men. They commissioned mega jails to lock them all up forever if necessary! 2. physical extermination: this is what Vladimir Putin did with radicalized Chechen youth. Wiped all the villages out, including the animals. one, Michuki, tried it in some african republc too. 3. Monumental public works and infrastructural construction: This is what Adolf Hitler embarked upon, and perhaps first time around, an argentinian populist called Juan Peron.4. Quarantine: This is what the white apartheid regime of south africa did, creating bantustan reserves or concentration camps tightly controlled, where economically unhelpful black scum were stationed, burried. 5. The terror of death squads: this was the going latin american solution, until drug-lords moved in and stale-mated the security forces in ' death-squading', leading to formation of the so called narco-states. A police [law-enforcement] killer by day, a hired assassin for drug lords by night. Now, because we are lucky to be Africans, :DI grant the solution will not be that radical, but a live and let live middle of the way, way. Until the economy stagnates and the african brotherhood becomes unsustainable. but it is a problem that does not go away on its own.
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Post by OtishOtish on Oct 5, 2012 17:11:19 GMT 3
At a glance, they would be random events, uncoordinated with no underlying connection. --The besieging of a police station in Kisumu by gang members seeking to free one of their own; the tribal clashes in the Tana which left hundreds dead, the riot in Kayole in the wake of the Masai controversy; the riot in the area where a child died after a grenade was thrown into the church; the riots following the execution of Sheik Rogo in Mombasa; the lynching last week of 11 suspected members of MRC rumoured to have been conducting an oathing ceremony; and lately the attempt on the life of Amason Kingi in Mtwapa, allegedly by MRC loyalists. I have tried with care to look at those who have been arrested following these cases, to find a kind of common denominator. Tana brought in barefoot teenagers, wearing rags, and in every inch destitute. And that was the picture I continued to get across the board, looking at the enemies of state. Majorly a destitute youth, urban or rural. We thus have a youth problem, typical of every society yes, but the difference in Kenya, is that we do not have a game plan to solve the youth problem. This means the youth are left more to their own devices, which means a cocktail of gangs, petty crime and the social radicalisation engendered in impoverishment. A confrontation then looms between this ragtag army of social outcasts, and the forces of law and order protecting the status quo, which has exorcised them, and will brutalise them on contact, in the rule. This is a classic problem solvable by 1: mass incaceration. This is the Reaganomics, republican party's answer to massive crime in american black ghettos. Never has a civilised society jailed so many particular young men. They commissioned mega jails to lock them all up forever if necessary! 2. physical extermination: this is what Vladimir Putin did with radicalized Chechen youth. Wiped all the villages out, including the animals. one, Michuki, tried it in some african republc too. 3. Monumental public works and infrastructural construction: This is what Adolf Hitler embarked upon, and perhaps first time around, an argentinian populist called Juan Peron.4. Quarantine: This is what the white apartheid regime of south africa did, creating bantustan reserves or concentration camps tightly controlled, where economically unhelpful black scum were stationed, burried. 5. The terror of death squads: this was the going latin american solution, until drug-lords moved in and stale-mated the security forces in ' death-squading', leading to formation of the so called narco-states. A police [law-enforcement] killer by day, a hired assassin for drug lords by night. Now, because we are lucky to be Africans, :DI grant the solution will not be that radical, but a live and let live middle of the way, way. Until the economy stagnates and the african brotherhood becomes unsustainable. but it is a problem that does not go away on its own. The dimensions of our "youth problem" are frightening. For starters, we have a lot of them--most of our population. Then, they are unemployed, idle, and desperate ... but very energetic. The kind and level of corruption we have only makes things worse: the youth see no reason to be honest or engage in hard, lawful work when everywhere people are getting ahead by cutting corners all over the place. I heard there was a massive plan to work on their unemployment problem but the money got eaten! And who on earth would respect the forces of law-and-order in our country? What is truly astonishing is that nobody in a position to do anything seems to care, not that any such person seems to really care about the country's problems. Whenever I look at presidential campaigns in other countries, I see the candidates identifying their country's problems and indicating how they would solve them. Here, our media is covered with stuff on politics and presidential campaigns, but it is all about how to get to be president. There is also the fact that violence associated with politics has now become part of our "culture". It started long ago: for as long as I can remember, it has always been the case that the job of the "youth-wing" of any party is to wreak violence on members of the opposition; as a small boy, racing home was the first act on hearing that "youth-wingers" were coming by. And nobody ever pays a penalty for such violence. Five years on, how many people have been dealt with over the 2007-2008 PEV? As to possible solutions, (3) above would be one reasonable approach, but don't forget that your Chinese friends have cornered that market. There is, however, a tried-and-test African solution: someone starts an Alternative Government, and the youth get employed in its military (usually called the Rebel Army). The youth always like this, on the basis that they can either grab it, or they can stop those who have it from enjoying it. At the very least, it gives them an "exciting" way to pass time and also dissipates their excess energy. One day we could find ourselves there.
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Post by jakaswanga on Oct 7, 2012 13:23:41 GMT 3
At a glance, they would be random events, uncoordinated with no underlying connection. --The besieging of a police station in Kisumu by gang members seeking to free one of their own; the tribal clashes in the Tana which left hundreds dead, the riot in Kayole in the wake of the Masai controversy; the riot in the area where a child died after a grenade was thrown into the church; the riots following the execution of Sheik Rogo in Mombasa; the lynching last week of 11 suspected members of MRC rumoured to have been conducting an oathing ceremony; and lately the attempt on the life of Amason Kingi in Mtwapa, allegedly by MRC loyalists. I have tried with care to look at those who have been arrested following these cases, to find a kind of common denominator. Tana brought in barefoot teenagers, wearing rags, and in every inch destitute. And that was the picture I continued to get across the board, looking at the enemies of state. Majorly a destitute youth, urban or rural. We thus have a youth problem, typical of every society yes, but the difference in Kenya, is that we do not have a game plan to solve the youth problem. This means the youth are left more to their own devices, which means a cocktail of gangs, petty crime and the social radicalisation engendered in impoverishment. A confrontation then looms between this ragtag army of social outcasts, and the forces of law and order protecting the status quo, which has exorcised them, and will brutalise them on contact, in the rule. This is a classic problem solvable by 1: mass incaceration. This is the Reaganomics, republican party's answer to massive crime in american black ghettos. Never has a civilised society jailed so many particular young men. They commissioned mega jails to lock them all up forever if necessary! 2. physical extermination: this is what Vladimir Putin did with radicalized Chechen youth. Wiped all the villages out, including the animals. one, Michuki, tried it in some african republc too. 3. Monumental public works and infrastructural construction: This is what Adolf Hitler embarked upon, and perhaps first time around, an argentinian populist called Juan Peron.4. Quarantine: This is what the white apartheid regime of south africa did, creating bantustan reserves or concentration camps tightly controlled, where economically unhelpful black scum were stationed, burried. 5. The terror of death squads: this was the going latin american solution, until drug-lords moved in and stale-mated the security forces in ' death-squading', leading to formation of the so called narco-states. A police [law-enforcement] killer by day, a hired assassin for drug lords by night. Now, because we are lucky to be Africans, :DI grant the solution will not be that radical, but a live and let live middle of the way, way. Until the economy stagnates and the african brotherhood becomes unsustainable. but it is a problem that does not go away on its own. The dimensions of our "youth problem" are frightening. For starters, we have a lot of them--most of our population. Then, they are unemployed, idle, and desperate ... but very energetic. The kind and level of corruption we have only makes things worse: the youth see no reason to be honest or engage in hard, lawful work when everywhere people are getting ahead by cutting corners all over the place. I heard there was a massive plan to work on their unemployment problem but the money got eaten! And who on earth would respect the forces of law-and-order in our country? What is truly astonishing is that nobody in a position to do anything seems to care, not that any such person seems to really care about the country's problems. Whenever I look at presidential campaigns in other countries, I see the candidates identifying their country's problems and indicating how they would solve them. Here, our media is covered with stuff on politics and presidential campaigns, but it is all about how to get to be president. There is also the fact that violence associated with politics has now become part of our "culture". It started long ago: for as long as I can remember, it has always been the case that the job of the "youth-wing" of any party is to wreak violence on members of the opposition; as a small boy, racing home was the first act on hearing that "youth-wingers" were coming by. And nobody ever pays a penalty for such violence. Five years on, how many people have been dealt with over the 2007-2008 PEV? As to possible solutions, (3) above would be one reasonable approach, but don't forget that your Chinese friends have cornered that market. There is, however, a tried-and-test African solution: someone starts an Alternative Government, and the youth get employed in its military (usually called the Rebel Army). The youth always like this, on the basis that they can either grab it, or they can stop those who have it from enjoying it. At the very least, it gives them an "exciting" way to pass time and also dissipates their excess energy. One day we could find ourselves there. otish, Now you caught me there. I was trying to be an african elder who does not publicly discuss issues to do with nakedness. Foday Sankoh, Charles Taylor, Kabila snr, all followed the example of the pioneer Yoweri Kaguta. Kadogos in the rebel army. They are called dealers in dreams. Political entrepreneurs. They will harness the destitute youth, give them a cause, show them the power of arms and teach them the rule of survival in the jungle: kill or be killed. Take your pick. This option I omitted as dirty! -- XXX rated!Now, can we pretend it is a no option?
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Oct 8, 2012 18:49:31 GMT 3
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Post by joblesscorner on Oct 9, 2012 20:15:14 GMT 3
www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000067940&story_title=MRC-spokesman-Mraja-charged-in-courtMRC spokesman Mraja charged in court Mohammed Rashid Mraja, the Mombasa Republican Council (MRC) spokesman has been charged with two counts of incitement to violence at a Mombasa court.Appearing before principal magistrate Timothy ole Panchu at Shanzu law courts, Mraja was found guilty of violating sec 96c of the penal code. The first count stated that Mraja was found with t-shirts printed with the words ‘Pwani si Kenya’ which implied it was or might be desirable not to obey laws of the Republic of Kenya. He allegedly committed the offence on October 8 2012, at King’orani estate in Mombasa District of Coast province........ Reader’s Comments "Where is Kibunjia?How come Kibunjia has never known Mraja & Co.were inciting others to violence for all those months they were shouting Pwani si Kenya?How come huyu Kibunjia can translate the three Kikuyu songs and take the singers to court but cannot do the same to words which even my four year old son says they mean war?"
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Post by OtishOtish on Oct 9, 2012 20:33:50 GMT 3
The first count stated that Mraja was found with t-shirts printed with the words ‘Pwani si Kenya’ which implied it was or might be desirable not to obey laws of the Republic of Kenya. He allegedly committed the offence on October 8 2012, at King’orani estate in Mombasa District of Coast province........ Implied, might be desirable, ... Surely they could have come up with charges of greater stupidity? I better not walk around with my "Funk The Government!" T-shirt.
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Post by phil on Oct 15, 2012 19:33:37 GMT 3
It now emergers that Najib Balala, Sheikh Dor, tycoon Twahir Sheikh Said, Ibrahim Babangida amongst others are the chief financiers and (possible armament suppliers) to the MRC.
Balala actually missed going to the Hague by a whisker and now this!??
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Post by jakaswanga on Oct 16, 2012 17:23:26 GMT 3
just over half a century later, mau mau veterans who underwent torture at the hands of the colonial authorities, have won some cases. And it is a harrowing read, some of the crimes perpetrated on their persons. Some men were castrated.
FASTFOWARD:
The self-styled leader of the MRC, known as Customer at Shimo la Tewa prisons for his frequency there as guest of the state, was arrested yesterday. The pictures which have hit the net, reveal a brutal encounter with the Kenyan police which, in my opinion, is reminiscent of a mau mau veteran arrested by the colonial police force.
It is also reported two of his bodygaurds died, protecting him. Which unnerves me, in the sense that Kenyan bodyguards, thinking of Maitha who gave his life to protect Amazon Kingi, are a heroic lot! Men of honour in the old fashion sense --like the samurai who would protect their lord to the last.
Ole Mtito promised the nation 'mtaona' on the MRC! he has delivered a battered, bloodstained half-corpse before the courts. The problem is civilisation, and the new order, and morality we aspire to as a new nation, turning her back on the practices of the special branch at nyati and nyayo houses.
We are not the USA who, inspite of a great constitution, has embarked on international torture of Muslims both at Gitmo and other rendition centers.
I know Kenyans cheer the bloodied face of the MRC chair, but I do not. How would I condemn the british for torturing Kenyans long ago, while today I praise the torture of another, even if he wants to secede?
NB: Tobiko' s office is set to drop the investigation into Rogo's gangland execution in Mombasa some time back. The leads have gone cold. Or put another way, Tobiko is clueless.
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Post by joblesscorner on Oct 16, 2012 17:33:57 GMT 3
Where is Titchaz to tells us what is going on the ground?JukwaaIf you read MRC facebook updates and talk to coastorians, the newspapers are reporting two different scenario's. if there was a gun fire exchange, how come no one got shot?
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Post by marikopolitico on Oct 16, 2012 21:45:29 GMT 3
just over half a century later, mau mau veterans who underwent torture at the hands of the colonial authorities, have won some cases. And it is a harrowing read, some of the crimes perpetrated on their persons. Some men were castrated. FASTFOWARD: The self-styled leader of the MRC, known as Customer at Shimo la Tewa prisons for his frequency there as guest of the state, was arrested yesterday. The pictures which have hit the net, reveal a brutal encounter with the Kenyan police which, in my opinion, is reminiscent of a mau mau veteran arrested by the colonial police force. It is also reported two of his bodygaurds died, protecting him. Which unnerves me, in the sense that Kenyan bodyguards, thinking of Maitha who gave his life to protect Amazon Kingi, are a heroic lot! Men of honour in the old fashion sense --like the samurai who would protect their lord to the last. Ole Mtito promised the nation 'mtaona' on the MRC! he has delivered a battered, bloodstained half-corpse before the courts. The problem is civilisation, and the new order, and morality we aspire to as a new nation, turning her back on the practices of the special branch at nyati and nyayo houses. We are not the USA who, inspite of a great constitution, has embarked on international torture of Muslims both at Gitmo and other rendition centers. I know Kenyans cheer the bloodied face of the MRC chair, but I do not. How would I condemn the british for torturing Kenyans long ago, while today I praise the torture of another, even if he wants to secede? NB: Tobiko' s office is set to drop the investigation into Rogo's gangland execution in Mombasa some time back. The leads have gone cold. Or put another way, Tobiko is clueless. The last thing the Kenyan Government should have done was to hand the MRC a martyr. As much as Omar IS NOT the real leader of the MRC- merely a puppet, the Kenyan Government would have reacted better by unilaterally carrying out a land reform program thus depriving the MRC of any legitimate cause and most importantly depriving them of popular support. So far it has been a litany of SNAFUs. From Raila's moronic statement to the High Courts infantile and inane ruling to current and former members of the majority party of Kenya-ODM- happily claiming to support MRC. Now the brutal arrest and beating of the MRC puppet in chief only serves to complicate matter further. Things will get worse.Mark my words.
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Post by joblesscorner on Oct 20, 2012 3:48:09 GMT 3
A Secessionist Movement Grows on Kenya's Coast - PBS NEWS HOUR Kenya's Coast Province boasts of wealth of opportunity -- pristine beaches, deluxe hotels, a major port, and an oil refinery - but for locals in the picturesque city of Mombasa, it's hardly a paradise. Years of land grabbing and cronyism have made them squatters on their own ancestral lands. Increasing numbers of them feel they can only gain a stake in the region's wealth by seeking autonomy from the federal government, but a new Kenyan Constitution going into effect next year squelches that. As Kenya gears up for its 2013 presidential elections, hundreds of thousands of local residents plan to boycott. According to Human Rights Watch, the vast majority of Coast Province's nearly 2.5 million residents support a secessionist organization known as the Mombasa Republican Council (MRC). The group claims treaties dating back to the end of colonization and the start of Kenyan independence would allow them to become self-governing in 2013. While the MRC's Christian and Muslim leaders say their mission is peaceful, the movement appears to be splintering. As the Kenyan government cracks down on MRC activities, some of the region's most vulnerable residents are turning to violence. Julienne Gage is a freelance journalist based in Washington, DC. She reported on this story in Kenya while on a producing contract with the International Reporting Project this summer. Twitter: @juliennegage
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