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Post by jakaswanga on Nov 13, 2011 18:09:42 GMT 3
Thursday 3rd/11/11, the International Atomic Energy Agency [IAEA] came up with its latest report on the Iranian nuclear project. washington postAll over the past years, ever since President Bush identified Iran as part of his axis of evil speech, the millitary option has always been on the table, but cooler heads have hitherto prevailed. Israel, with her political class out of ideas and an amorphous coalition of citizens camping on her streets in mock occupations in a show of dissaffection, is ready for a deflection of internal rage. And beginning a war with a great enemy may just be the thing to allign the nation firmly behind them. So Bibi Netanyahu and his labour sidekick Ehud Barak have been competing on hawkishness. Bomb, and see if the shy-ish afro-american in the white house stands on the fence. chicago tribuneCan the USA afford a war against Iran? I think she cannot, but humans, and powers on the wane, are wont to do stupid things more often than not. Chomsky on the issue of IranChomsky is always a long read, but I would love such an a spirited article by a Kenyan on a Kenyan subject!
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Post by nereah on Nov 13, 2011 19:50:10 GMT 3
Thursday 3rd/11/11, the International Atomic Energy Agency [IAEA] came up with its latest report on the Iranian nuclear project. washington postAll over the past years, ever since President Bush identified Iran as part of his axis of evil speech, the millitary option has always been on the table, but cooler heads have hitherto prevailed. Israel, with her political class out of ideas and an amorphous coalition of citizens camping on her streets in mock occupations in a show of dissaffection, is ready for a deflection of internal rage. And beginning a war with a great enemy may just be the thing to allign the nation firmly behind them. So Bibi Netanyahu and his labour sidekick Ehud Barak have been competing on hawkishness. Bomb, and see if the shy-ish afro-american in the white house stands on the fence. chicago tribuneCan the USA afford a war against Iran? I think she cannot, but humans, and powers on the wane, are wont to do stupid things more often than not. Chomsky on the issue of IranChomsky is always a long read, but I would love such an a spirited article by a Kenyan on a Kenyan subject! israel, invoking the right to self defense told everyone who cared to listen that it would stop iran if america and un wont. america's election season is here and usa and obama knows better. this, i think, is an urgent issue that obama must act on not just because of america's historical bond with israel but the political powder keg that it is. just to illustrate the sense of urgency,sample this.you have top aides and officials who consider israel second home and a secretary of state whose daughter is married to a jew and facing one or two opponents who are of jewish descend. but the dilemma here is the moral equivalency.israel has never denied or accepted its nuclear capability when the truth lies therein.now,disarming iran or attacking it for going nuclear while turning a blind eye to israel may be hard sell especially when you read the lips of nuclear states like russia, mexico and china.but again, i read somewhere that current pm of israel is on record vowing to neutralize the iran nuclear threat if the rest of the world(un) wont. i think obama has the choice of dealing with iran the way america does with the north korea or when in a good mood nuclear pakistan. the other choice which i think obama admin is taking is fast-tracking(my words) the collapse of syria to weaken,isolate and trigger regime change in iran. something that the hesbollah chief recently warned against . lastly, there is the re-emergence of putin.he seems not to fancy every thing america,almost stalling the forward march progress that his pending predecessor and successor,president medvedev had with obama. putin also seemingly despise uk.remember,obama's frustration in securing russia's crucial backing for the disarmament. this is undermined by mutual suspicion fueled partly by america's continued buttressing of the nuclear defense in poland which medvedev warned would inspire russia into increasing its nuclear stockpiles. so you can see how muddled this issue is.
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Post by roughrider on Nov 14, 2011 11:18:39 GMT 3
Thursday 3rd/11/11, the International Atomic Energy Agency [IAEA] came up with its latest report on the Iranian nuclear project. washington postAll over the past years, ever since President Bush identified Iran as part of his axis of evil speech, the millitary option has always been on the table, but cooler heads have hitherto prevailed. Israel, with her political class out of ideas and an amorphous coalition of citizens camping on her streets in mock occupations in a show of dissaffection, is ready for a deflection of internal rage. And beginning a war with a great enemy may just be the thing to allign the nation firmly behind them. So Bibi Netanyahu and his labour sidekick Ehud Barak have been competing on hawkishness. Bomb, and see if the shy-ish afro-american in the white house stands on the fence. chicago tribuneCan the USA afford a war against Iran? I think she cannot, but humans, and powers on the wane, are wont to do stupid things more often than not. Chomsky on the issue of IranChomsky is always a long read, but I would love such an a spirited article by a Kenyan on a Kenyan subject! There is no war any time soon. A careful study of the report, just as other intelligence reports, shows that Iran is still several years away from a nuclear weapon: and even then they have to decide to build one. They haven't. Israeli's have nevertheless engineered a series of accidents in Iran to slow down the process of a civilian nuclear program, including the explosion at an Iranian Military base last Saturday: www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2099376,00.html?xid=gonewsedit And of course you may be familiar with the 'Stuxnet' virus that was unleashed on Iran's nuclear facilities a few months ago: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/8034987/Israeli-cyber-unit-responsible-for-Iran-computer-worm-claim.htmlAmerican intelligence sources suggest that they are not ready for military strikes against Iran yet. They think it will have destabilising effects. By the way, that Chomsky article is more than 1.5 years old and aspects may have been overtaken by events.
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Post by roughrider on Nov 14, 2011 12:08:56 GMT 3
but the dilemma here is the moral equivalency.israel has never denied or accepted its nuclear capability when the truth lies therein. now,disarming iran or attacking it for going nuclear while turning a blind eye to israel may be hard sell especially when you read the lips of nuclear states like russia, mexico and china.Nereah, For the sake of argument, let us point out that Iran is part of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty (NPT). This means it is bound to comply with the dictates of the treaty. Israel - with about 400 nuclear warheads - is NOT. Pakistan and India are also not part of the NPT treaty. North Korea pulled out in 2003. So morally, there is a difference. Iran is probably making a pretence. Israel is not. And trust me here: they will NOT wait for Iran to develop nuclear capability. Any programs will be crippled. That is the current Israeli policy, and it is working.
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Post by nereah on Nov 14, 2011 16:21:15 GMT 3
but the dilemma here is the moral equivalency.israel has never denied or accepted its nuclear capability when the truth lies therein. now,disarming iran or attacking it for going nuclear while turning a blind eye to israel may be hard sell especially when you read the lips of nuclear states like russia, mexico and china.Nereah, For the sake of argument, let us point out that Iran is part of the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty (NPT). This means it is bound to comply with the dictates of the treaty. Israel - with about 400 nuclear warheads - is NOT. Pakistan and India are also not part of the NPT treaty. North Korea pulled out in 2003. So morally, there is a difference. Iran is probably making a pretense. Israel is not. And trust me here: they will NOT wait for Iran to develop nuclear capability. Any programs will be crippled. That is the current Israeli policy, and it is working. rr, ;D i mostly agree with you. all this is happening at a time when israel is in led by bibi and the ivy league uni(standford) alumni by the name of ehud barack as defense minister. bibi interests me because when it comes to what israel wants, he fears no one, not even obama.just watched his speech at the last un assembly and this overconfidence,almost brazen-idont-care-what-you-think-so-long -as-iam-right attitude was palpable. i can tell that he seems to draw his strength from his father, a hawkish israeli veteran of the war. now back to the nukes, we must not forget that there are a large minority of jewish iranians..... kind of having the luos in old zaire, the likes of diva nana akumu or in museveni's uganda,the likes of vegeterian journalist, onyango obbo. but again, the so called "reset" diplomacy between obama's america and russia under dimitry is coming a cropper and what we are having is a dangerous prospects with the reemergence of putin. this strategy that israel has adopted as captured by the times story that you referenced above, can go either way.dont ask what that could be. by the way, have you seen that article in today's issue of daily nation that warns of nuclear materials being hawked across the tanzania border? very scary!
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Post by jakaswanga on Nov 14, 2011 19:40:10 GMT 3
There is no war any time soon. A careful study of the report, just as other intelligence reports, shows that Iran is still several years away from a nuclear weapon: and even then they have to decide to build one. They haven't. Israeli's have nevertheless engineered a series of accidents in Iran to slow down the process of a civilian nuclear program, including the explosion at an Iranian Military base last Saturday Roughrider1. The several years away from a bomb is placed by other analysts at 3 years! That is next door, If might say so. 2. Newt Gingrich --you will remember him I am sure, as a republican heavyweight and once presidential hopeful, and Mitt Romney the current front runner to take on Obama, are both on record as committing their party to a millitary stop on the Iranian project. They think they have identified the go-slow approach of Obama as a weakness worth exploiting in the race! I wonder whether Obama feels sufficiently vulnerable to be pushed into stupidity! 3. Caine --the black former boss of a pizza chain, hilariously refered to in the media as the guy with a guiding hand is the only guy in the GOP not putting the millitary option first. 4. technically you are right in the fact that, having a nuclear reactor for energy is not the same thing as a weapons programme. Belgium and Holland have nuclear reactors without the weapons programme. But for a country like Iran, that thin line of potential may be a risk or a nuance too far for the USA and her precious baby Israel. 5. Indeed, in addition to these explosions and sabotage, the mossad have been running an operation called 'decapitate'. It targets key Iranian physicists and nuclear mathematicians and murders them.
Israel assassinates Iranian scientistsThe first time I heard of operation decapitate several years ago, when an Iranian scientist was killed in Geneva when they went to meet the International Atomic Energy Agency, I thought Iran reacted very mildly.
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Post by jakaswanga on Nov 14, 2011 19:48:46 GMT 3
And trust me here: they will NOT wait for Iran to develop nuclear capability. Any programs will be crippled. That is the current Israeli policy, and it is working. RR, I think the nuclear project of Iran has surpassed the critical mass. The only way to stop it now is a destruction of Iran. This is the so called Armageddon option, since a limitied strike on the sites leaves Iran with a millitary capacity for retaliation that makes Israel uninhabitable. An attack on the reactors must therefore be paired with a total destruction of Iran's millitary potential. This means bombing back to pre-history. Even the looniest types would know this is an insane price. The end of the world as we know it now.
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Post by Titchaz on Nov 15, 2011 1:22:49 GMT 3
And trust me here: they will NOT wait for Iran to develop nuclear capability. Any programs will be crippled. That is the current Israeli policy, and it is working. RR, I think the nuclear project of Iran has surpassed the critical mass. The only way to stop it now is a destruction of Iran. This is the so called Armageddon option, since a limitied strike on the sites leaves Iran with a millitary capacity for retaliation that makes Israel uninhabitable. An attack on the reactors must therefore be paired with a total destruction of Iran's millitary potential. This means bombing back to pre-history. Even the looniest types would know this is an insane price. The end of the world as we know it now. Mzee umesema kabisa, I believe Iran are past the tiping point na kama usemavyo, the only way to 'stop them' from going all out is to bomb them to prehistoric times.....sasa atafunga kengele kwenye shingo ya paka?... The pandora box is open and let the chips fall where they may. Nuclear energy/knowledge is no longert a preserve for the few. Habari ndo hio.
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Post by okolowaka on Nov 15, 2011 2:23:00 GMT 3
The problem of bombing Iran is that some countries like Israel and America want to do it for no apparent reason...just like Iraq was bombed and occupied for no apparent reason...
What gives some countries the right to nuclear energy technology and others no right to have it?
Pakistan is a known rogue state just like Iran, it breeds and incubates terrorists of all grades, and it has a nuclear arsenal of probably hundreds of bombs pointed at its real and imagined enemies, yet nobody talks about whether to bomb Pakistan or not.... Pakistan know they are safe because they reserve the right to defend themselves against their "enemies"...
Iran must forge ahead and build up its nuclear energy program just like Pakistan did, even if Israel and America want to deny them this right to this cheap energy source... And if they feel threatened by either America or Israel then it is Iran's right to arm itself to the teeth with as many nuclear bombs as possible and point the arsenal at their real and imagined "enemies" to secure their interests just like America, Israel, Russia, North Korea, among others are doing...
The nuclear war will be the destruction of this apostate generation that invented the nuclear bomb.... Whoever makes the first nuclear strike on Iran will surely get hit back...mark my words, this doomsday scenario is imminent...it is just a matter of time....
For now the world will seem to be relatively safe if many more countries like Iran build up nuclear power technology and nuclear bombs to protect themselves... The tension will be high, nobody will blink but at least the thought of retaliation will keep their fingers off the trigger....for another day...
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Post by jakaswanga on Nov 15, 2011 19:19:14 GMT 3
Israeli's have nevertheless engineered a series of accidents in Iran to slow down the process of a civilian nuclear program, including the explosion at an Iranian Military base last Saturday: RR,How true. Other sources say the scanning was done by the CIA, then they let mossad pull the trigger. This explosion is a huge set back to Iran, since it liquidated commander Hassan Mughaddam Tehrani and his team. This man commanded a unique ability in Iran. A battle commander [in his youthful days in the war against Iraq] and rocket science and nuclear mathematics. As a rocket-specialist he was a 'mater', that is [ ] those who researched and developed systems by which nuclear war-heads can be delivered by conventional means. [North Korea solved this problem long ago and sold it to Pakistan in exchange for centrifuge mathematics!] It is possible they, when the fatal explosion happened, were coupling live rocket war-heads to delivery systems in preparation for a retaliation in case Israel bombs.
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Post by jakaswanga on Nov 15, 2011 19:30:46 GMT 3
What gives some countries the right to nuclear energy technology and others no right to have it?Iran must forge ahead and build up its nuclear energy program just like Pakistan did, even if Israel and America want to deny them this right to this cheap energy source... Okolowaka, I have not yet managed to find the original article. But I am sure it might interest you. It was originally written by an Indian national, a Sikh I think, and had as title: NUCLEAR APARTHEID. Its major purpose was to fortify why India would pursue her nuclear programme regardless of western frowning. White nations seem to have a preponderance of this destructive power, whilst dark peoples are deemed not to need it. Let others swallow that bullshit, India wont, and must not! the fiery Singh wrote! When it came out, it was dubbed the nuclear manifesto for rogue nations!
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 4, 2012 20:05:29 GMT 3
It has been a hot december as far as Irano-Western relations are concerned. We leave out the invasion of the British embassy in the aftermath of strengthened sanctions, in which the UK took the lead.First there were reports Iran had shot down an UMANNED AERIAL VEHICLE, UAV: RQ-170 Sentinel drone. That serial number should tell you it is state of the art. But Iran did not come up with the proof, neither did the US come clear. Then just before christmas 2012, Iran produced photos of the downed drone, but there was no visible damage, meaning it was either photoshoped, or not shot down. Things shot down from high heights tend to show heavy mechanical damage. Then a rumour started in intelligence circles which sent a chill up pentagon spines. Had the Iranians brought down the drone by a software hijack? landed it clean in their territory [and the Russians and chinese had been tearing it apart to quench their engineering thirsts? in exchange for millitary support incase of attack by Nato?] 1.Was this Iran getting intellectually even for the stuxnet virus which incapacitated several of their centrifuges. The virus was a CIA+Mossad attack. 2. An ammo base exploded outside Tehran a few months ago, killing the chief missiles mater [that is the scientist who connects the explosive to the delivery system, [nuclear] warhead to rocket]. Had it been a precision bombing from such a drone, and the Iranians in concert with their allies had unravelled the drone codes? and captured the sister now? Then two days later IRAN TESTS HOME GROWN FUEL! An escalation read as further provocation by the West. Tighter sanctions announced, with Sarkozy calling for a freeze on Iranian Central Bank assets. As was done by Jimmy Carter after the embassy siege. Long ago before Ronald Reagan. Meanwhile all month long Iran has been busy with war games in the straight of Hormuz, the oil superhighway. Threatening to block it totally should certain provocations be. Price of oil could hit $200/barrel. Iran war games: velayat-90 P-2 Testing the QADER/NOOR ANTI SHIP MISSILE, which they claim is a new technological yardstick! And to crown it all, here is Iran's warning 3-jan-2012 to the US's largest aircraft carrrier, current at port in Bahrain, after monitoring Iran's velayat-90. Iran warns US navyPuts Obama in a bit of a spot, with the republican dwarfs bleary-eyed in Iowa breathing fire and brimstone! Lets bomb them now! If I were president I would! [look at the wimp Obama]
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Post by joblesscorner on Jan 5, 2012 9:54:35 GMT 3
Iran is not a threat to the US at all, and the US will not allow a lunancy mind to have a nuclear weapon, that's why Ron Paul is not winning the Republican Nominee. ;D ;D
"Iran has warned the United States it will take action if an American warship returns to the Persian Gulf. It left the area when Iran started its 10-day naval war games, during which they successfully test-fired a number of different missiles. But Russia's defence ministry says that despite the latest military exercise, the Iranians don't have the technology to make intercontinental ballistic missiles. Meanwhile France is pushing for stricter sanctions as it says it's sure Tehran is developing nuclear weapons. It's urged EU countries to follow the U.S. in freezing Iranian central bank assets and imposing an embargo on oil exports. Tehran has been threatening to block the Strait of Hormuz - one of the world's most important oil routes - if the West stepped up sanctions. RT talks to James Corbett, editor of the Corbett Report website.
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Post by nereah on Jan 5, 2012 17:33:00 GMT 3
USS kitty hawk -- a 1,000 feet supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.image courtesy of presstv.irjakaswanga & all, ;D what we are being fed on is a one sided story of the shia dominated iranian brinkmanship if you want to call it that. lt. gen. frank gorenc, (center front) commander of the U.S. third air force on a visit to israeli combat lab near tel aviv, december 2011 (Photo: Israeli Air Force) and sourced from: mondoweiss.netthe untold story is that the latest iranian showmanship was reactionary to the ongoing massive deployment, yes, indefinite deployment of thousands of us military personnel, warships and weaponry including america's best kept 21 century warfare secret-, third terminal high altitude area defense(thaad) in iraq which goes sambamba with unprecedented scale of military exercise on area, naval and land defense in israel. in effect, america has set up a military command base inside the israeli soil in what i am convinced is readiness for a pre-emptive strike against iran. the question is, what would compel america to mass such unprecedented level of troops and weaponry in israel and engage in the largest ever joint military exercise? what would make the security conscious nuclear armed and reputably strongest jewish state of israel elevate its war defenses most notable of which is the planned deployment of the fourth iron dome system?the answer is simple:a war that everyone dread and which some historians and religious zealots predicated the end of the world on, is on the horizon. as stated in my earlier post, israel has successfully convinced the powerful nations that iran with its nuclear ambition is a threat to regional peace and its existence and vowed to exercise its right for self defense through a pre-emptive strike. this is something that the war hardened premier(remember his last speech at the un assembly) bibi netanyahu with the inspiration from his hawkish dad, is ready for. i was however reading the jerusalem post the other day and getting a different sense from the defense minister ehud barak. the irony of all this,as our roughrider ;D reminded us in this thread, iran is a signatory to the nuclear no-proliferation treaty that its key protagonists trashed eons ago. and now this is where things gets a little juicier. french which is notorious for its war proclivities(see its footprint in libya, ivory coast etc) is the first european nuclear country to beat the drums of war with its foreign minister alein juppe ( hope i get the name right) and later president zarkozy heightening the anti-iran rhetoric. we don't know what britain is thinking and likewise a grouping of regional powers led by brazil,which have previously made some attempts to resolve the iranian-us-israel crisis. south africa which is now chairing the un security council whose non-permanent membership drew two other african states,morocco included would in all probability disappoint the bomb iran crusaders. then there is usual suspects, india, china not forgetting the nuclear armed but psychotic north korea and increasingly bellicose russia. also lost in the maze of propaganda war and diplomatic showdown is the small matata in the un family over the scandal prone international atomic energy(iae). US analyst Robert Parry said the documentary evidence showed that IAEA Director General Yukiya Amano was installed with the support of the US and that he privately indicated to US and Israeli officials that he would help advance their goals regarding Iran.the excerpt from this engaging article in presstv.ir is a hot potato in the global arena. did i say this is an election year in france, america and russia?
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Post by nereah on Jan 12, 2012 18:18:46 GMT 3
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 12, 2012 21:14:56 GMT 3
Yap, Nereah, Capo di tutti cappi Obama wuod Kogelo and his enforcer Bibi owad-gi Yoni Netanyahu, must yesterday have done the equivalent of clicking hats, like allied captains of the sicillian maffia are reputed to, when they have visited death upon a significant member of the enemy clan, thereby dealing that clan a hevy body blow. But publicly the state department has condemned the murder . {Yes, oyieyo chami to kudhi!}The dead man is Mostafa Ahmadi-Roshan, a 32 yrs old brilliant nuclear chemical engineer and director of the Iranian Natanz atomic enrichment plant. He is only the latest victiom of operation decapitate. Remember this coincidence: Jan 12 it is the second anniversary to the hour of the execution physicist Massoud Ali Mohammadi -killed jan 2010 Massoud Ali Mohammadi. Remember Lieutenant Gen. Benny Ganz, head of the IDF [Israeli defence force] over the weekend joking Iran should expect 'unnatural events happening in unnatural sequence!' This old, old shia poem you may not have heard, called hungry sands angry hearts I think: HUNGRY SANDS, ANGRY HEARTS..Oh monster sands of unquenchable greed Ever hungry for rivers of flowing Shia blood! O ye Shia mothers! sisters and women of our faith Toil thee in labour and bear more sons for greedy death! For our enemies work day and night to feed the gravy sand! Allah bear witness, that we shall bear all in pride, Worthy brides of death fearful of no human enemy! Die! Shia man die! The price of our dignity is high! Oh hungry sands here I come! [Then a long list of heroic shiite matrys].I imagine these are the kind of poems that carried Roshan off. Perhaps yuori, [ donge itedo Bondo?!] in his next visit to Iran can dissown his cousins complicity in the murder of the top brains from that country. I have heard stories of how my grandfather wept at the grave of Tom Mboya: The cleverest of our land they have lain low! Nyasaye ket remba onywol sigu e kinda kodgi nyakachil!---------------- HERE ARE SOME OF THE CLEVEREST OF IRAN LAIN LOW! 1. Mostafa Ahmadi-Roshan director of Natanz. killed Jan 2012 2. Majid Shariari [Nuclear engineer at Shahid Beheshti University, Tehran. Fellow of Atomic energy organisation of Iran. killed Nov 2010 3. Fereydoun Abhasi Davani [current head of AEIO] escapes bomb blast 20104. Massoud Ali Mohammadi -killed jan 20105. Darioush Rezaeinejad [electronics and computer engineer; high voltage and detonators and switches specialist] killed july 23-2011 murdered iranian scientists
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Post by nereah on Jan 13, 2012 18:18:19 GMT 3
josh mitnick of the christian science monitor is asking the all important question: tinyurl.com/8xskfwt
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Post by nereah on Jan 15, 2012 19:31:41 GMT 3
Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with President Kibaki at Jomo Kenyatta International Airport, Nairobi, in his last visit to Kenya. Photo/FILE courtesy nation this iranian-us/israeli sabre rattling is an issue that is worth the attention of kenya and indeed weaker economies in sub-sahara's africa as is it instructive to rest of the world. obama administration has been issuing series of sanctions, the latest which have been pointedly intended not just for iran but its trading partners. i know that some members of the troubled european union have taken cue and complied with america demand for isolation of iran while other regional players like turkey are saying it is in their interest to maintain some ongoing bilateral engagements with tehran. i am keenly monitoring the latest showmanship over strait of hormuz which is causing jitters in the global markets. now, i checked the trade volume between kenya and the shia dominated iran and was astounded by what the obama administration's trade sanctions on iran and warning to its(iran's) trading partners means for kenya. i learn for instance that iran is one of the key markets for kenyan tea as is the rouge state of sudan. iran volume of trade with kenya should be in the region of sh 500 million and according to info we had the last time mahmoud ahmadinejad was in kenya, there are at least two strategic funding pacts. so, what does this usa's trade embargo on iran means for economies like kenya? should the africa union and especially the big brother south africa which incidentally is the president of the un security council this season, violate the us/israeli engineered sanctions on iran or join turkey in seeking exemptions? jukwaa reference:what can iran gvt put on kenya's economic table, initiated by einstein on dec 7,2008 tiny.cc/7m8o0fwd: kibaki blast usa/wqest, support iran terror,initiated by mimimzalendo on nov 7 2007 tiny.cc/gsvouadditional reading:tiny.cc/b8zqqtiny.cc/1v1kntiny.cc/jb8ek
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Post by nereah on Jan 16, 2012 13:33:35 GMT 3
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Post by nereah on Feb 3, 2012 15:39:27 GMT 3
sim tack of the must read consultancy africa intelligence commands my respect with this masterful assessment of the iranian option. a must read: alturl.com/t9udh
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Post by okolowaka on Feb 3, 2012 16:59:36 GMT 3
...It is sad that Israel is considering a nuclear strike on Iran as soon as this spring...! What is the obsession with war and rumors of war, can't we all just live in peace...?
Does Israel really believe that the US will risk taking charge of another war without end at this time in history...? Does Israel really expect the US to gurantee it's protection and very existence in the volatile region...? This war may change everything as we know it...not just shutting down of the straight of Hormuz, but a real nuclear bomb detonated in a city anywhere in the world is too much for me to contemplate.
If Israel carries out it's threat, then this could be it JUKWAA, the real mother of all wars is here, the real apocalypse, the end of the world, WW III, not good....
I am sure that Russia and China will be drawn in within weeks of the first strike...these two can supply missile to Tehran that can reach anywhere on the globe, or they may engage in this war directly, with devastating results....
The cold war did not actually end because the balance of weapons has been maintained by the apparent continuous improvement and stockpiling of bigger and better weapons systems by the US and it's allies on the one hand, and Russia, China, North Korea, and their allies on the other hand.... all this for the sake of safeguarding regional and global interests? This strike by Israel on Iran will heat up things very fast and draw in many countries, friends and friends of friends will take up arms against each other...
Of great importance is the statement issued by Russia last month that a nuclear strike on Iran will have grave consequences...be afraid, be very afraid....!
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Post by job on Feb 17, 2012 8:54:02 GMT 3
Interesting thread but I'm of a different school of thought. The fact that Israel is loudly pointing out Iran’s recent developments in its nuclear program is the best sign it’s not planning to strike out the nuclear reactors. Whenever Israel does such hits, it never speaks or forewarn about it. It’s usually a silent surprise attack, as in their previous strike-out of Iraq’s reactor in 1981 and Syria’s in 2007.
The deal here seems to be propaganda to stir support for new sanctions against Iran. Israel wants to economically cripple Tehran.
Iran is already feeling the heat of international sanctions which have virtually isolated its banking system from the rest of the world. Israel wants more sanctions targeting Iran’s Oil income.
The trouble is, such action could drastically raise global oil prices – a very bitter pill to Europe and America. Russia and China may also not allow further sanctions via the UN Security Council. Israel is drawing the entire world's attention to its security needs and hopes the UN, America, and Europe comes to its rescue as always - this time diplomatically, not militarily. I doubt bombs will start exchanging over this despite the saber rattling.
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Post by mzee on Feb 17, 2012 13:57:37 GMT 3
My opinion is that Israel can never attack Iran for they are scared of that countrys reaction. They won't put Iran in a state of desperation which might cause them to use any means at their disposal to defend themselves.
Plus nobody actually knows how far Iran has come in building their nuclear warheads. So any attempt to attack them might spell disaster in the region. We are not talking about ebanon or Palestine or even sadams Iraq.
This is a conflict that can only be solved diplomatically and even Israel knows this
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Post by jakaswanga on Feb 25, 2012 15:35:51 GMT 3
When Dempsey visited Tel AvivWhat is not said here is that Dempsey had to deliver the cold message: Obama is thinking about his re-election. And believe it or not, that is a priority bigger than your own very life, Mr president of Israel. So no Sh!t now. In the mid second-term? who knows? Obama is a cold blood. And Dempsey joked about helping take out the Iranian nuclear programme in exchange for a fully funtional Palestinian state including the West Bank. Yep, General Dempsey reminded Bibi, Ehud and the IDF commander general, that they are not the only guys with steel. So there will be a lot of talk but not war... until Kogelo's second term. But the straight of Hormuz is narrow, and crawling with warships. And accidental things can happen. ---------------- Here is a view from Germany's DS International, on perceptions about the West from the creams of Persian. Living under the shadow of Israels 270 nuclear weapons and the sixth naval fleet of the super power, both of which do not outrule millitary action. DER SPIEGEL ENGLISH: WHAT IRANIAN ELITES THINK
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 6, 2012 21:13:51 GMT 3
Washington DC 5/3/2012 These are difficult times for everybody. The PM and president of Israel were simultaneously in Washington. Bibi Netanyahu is wrestiling with the biggest decision of his life: Bomb Iran now and open a can of worms or not? And he wanted to take a close look at Obama, to sense if what Gen. Dempsey told him is true. If you force Obama's hand in his re-election year, with America broke after two long wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the presidents revenge could be more terrible than you dare think.
So Bibi was sizing up Obama close. How cold-blooded is he? can he [Bibi] override him [Obama] and land safely? And Obama had to find a way of impressing upon Bibi the true nature of the steely ambition which has driven him, a coloured bastard, to the office of command of the most awesome millitary machine evere built in history..
So these two men between them were idling over a decision which would destroy Iran, and our world as we know it. A chilling meeting
Some papers have been theorising on what nature of bombing it must be to take out Iran. This is not a limited bombing, this has to be a total destruction. Not bunker-busters, but mountain busters. And those can only be nuclear warheads. [How do you bust 2km under Mount Kenya, deep in the earth?]
Turkish weathermen [metrologists] are working on weather charts the coming months, and not liking what they see if the Israelis keep timetable. All the radiation will be blown into their country, making half of it a nulear waste zone, unless Allah switches the winds elsewhere.. to Africa for instance!
There they were then, Obama and Bibi at a joint very uncomfortable press conference. Re-iterating their covenant of death and joint destiny. It may just work out biblically. 10 million dead?
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