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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 2, 2012 22:35:07 GMT 3
Sahar Elderkin or Salim Lone is the mutual Friend.. You are totally off the mark. Does it really matter who the mutual friend is? Onyango Oloo
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 2, 2012 22:38:36 GMT 3
Is the Matual Friend Michael Ranneberger? I couldn't resist the guessing game No, Kasuku, Ms. Konchella's boyfriend is NOT the mutual friend. Onyango Oloo
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 2, 2012 22:52:27 GMT 3
Since Dholuo is my mother tongue, let me attempt a translation of "Wek Sando Nyawadu" into English.
It simply means:
"Please stop tormenting your fellow human being."
It can also mean:
" Please stop putting your fellow human being through suffering".
As somebody pointed out, there is a difference between "nyawadu" and "owadu".
"Owadu" is your brother or your kinsman while "nyawadu" would be the equivalent of the Kiswahili "binadamu mwenzako"".
So in this context, Gateway was telling the Prime Minister:
"Raila, please stop tormenting Miguna who is a human being just like yourself."
He could have said the same thing in Dholuo thus:
"Jakom, wek chando Miguna, ma en mana dhano kaka in."
Onyango Oloo
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 2, 2012 23:10:34 GMT 3
Immigration minister Otieno Kajwang is soon to take unspecified action against an unnamed Canadian Citizen. The reasons for the individual's continued stay in the country remain unclear now that he/she is no longer in gainful employment. Details are scanty, but stay tuned for updates............ Your handle is unfortunate because it literally means in Kiswahili, "some fool" "some goof" "some idiot" "some nincompoop". You sound much more intelligent than your moniker.Did you know that a court here in Nairobi ruled in early 2011 that a Kenyan can NOT lose his citizenship merely by acquiring the citizenship of another country? Click on the link below: www.kenyalaw.org/newsletter/20100205.htmlBesides this is what the CONSTITUTION says...er... why don't you read Chapter Three for yourself?' By the way, what has your posting got to do with the subject matter of this thread? Onyango Oloo
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Post by morimax on Jan 2, 2012 23:53:28 GMT 3
That good friend of ours, MM, is full of ego problems, to be precise, he sufers delusions of granduer.
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Post by joblesscorner on Jan 3, 2012 0:06:52 GMT 3
The Man with the same name twice Miguna Miguna one thing is you are right when it comes to contract. It's only effective when all elements are respected and if altered the contract is void. I guess the contract and torts class does come handy
MIGUNA MIGUNA you got my support here.
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Post by phil on Jan 3, 2012 2:01:08 GMT 3
Now that we want to draw conclusions on the basis of a one sided story and harmless threats of a K-24 inspired book, we need to ask ourselves:
= Why was Miguna suspended?
= What did Raila tell Miguna at Serena?
= Why is Miguna intent of dictating terms of employment to the point of blackmail?
= How is Miguna's "tell all" book becoming convenient only when he is under suspension trying to negotiate a come back to OPM with direct links to the PM?
= That esteemed the Jukwaa admin and mods want us to believe that as coalition affairs advisor Miguna was never reporting directly to the prime minister.
Who is the so-called mutual friend that Oloo is so keen to protect?
This is a needless storm in a tea-cup. A creation of an attention seeking previously unknown Miguna Miguna.
Shindwe!
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Post by major on Jan 3, 2012 3:36:20 GMT 3
I have a great feeling that this phil guy could indeed be Isahakiah or whatever the spelling. Why is he so protective and against Miguna? What's wrong if Miguna wants to report to PM and not to you (Isahakiah)?? I'm not supporting Miguna either.
We have bigger wars to fight with akina Ruto and G7 while you guys at PM office are peeing inside the reform tent. We have no time to babysit you guys.
I'm thinking of using my connections and have you guys kicked out. This is the beginning of the end of impunity. We cannot opt to have such petty theatrics as we launch a serious campaign for Amolo.
Bure kabisa!
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Post by destiny on Jan 3, 2012 12:20:05 GMT 3
Phil asked:
Who is the so-called mutual friend that Oloo is so keen to protect?
The "highly respected corporate titan" who was present in that meeting was either Obath or Equity's James Mwangi.
my guess which I'm entitled to.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 3, 2012 12:52:50 GMT 3
Who is the so-called mutual friend that Oloo is so keen to protect? I am not "so keen" to protect ANYONE. Have you ever heard of a mediated meeting? If you remember your basic chemistry, the mutual friend was more like a catalyst which according to an online dictionary is: There are two other meanings of the word that are not relevant to the context here. The role of the mutual friend would be severely compromised if I blurted out the name of that person who I believe accesses Jukwaa from time to time. Who knows if these behind the scenes discussions are over or not? Onyango Oloo
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Post by godmesa on Jan 3, 2012 12:58:48 GMT 3
Why do people have to worry about the 'mutual friend' when for all I know Miguna Miguna will name that person in the near future, and in a fit of volcanic tantrum, once he realises that his latest outburst will be ignored as usual.
Something Miguna misses, and I think this goes many a diaspora people (of which I am one), is that sometimes they unknowingly assumes and ignores the fact that kenya has institutions and regulations that governs work place ethics and behaviour. Even the prime minister of kenya cannot dictate in a hotel, at the presence of whatever mutual friend, how a government employee should be treated and the terms under which he should be employed.
Kibaki himself failed with his unilateral appointments of the senior officers and had to be told off. Why would Raila give miguna an open ended appointment for which miguna will behave as he wants?
Obama, himself, sacked a senior military officer who made disparaging remarks in Afghanistan, that very instant the man's views became public. The chap was flown back to washington and handed his sack immediately, and he went quietly never to be heard of again.
Clare Short, former inetrnational development secretary in Blair government, was completely blacked out by the media and the public once she began to make public the cabinet discussions regarding the war in Iraq. Even though she was right and her views were supported by many people, public and within the government, she was shunned for what we may now refer to as lack of proffesionalism.
Miguna portrays the worst of anybody who would be a public servant. Governments all over the world seals some documents for a period of time, NOT because they are undemocratic, but because the idea of running a government requires a sense of discipline that not everybody can be expected to measure upto.
In that regard, Caroli Omondi and Mwasera should send a clear letter sacking Miguna forthwith from whatever position he thinks he holds in the government of Kenya. And raila, plus their dumb mutual friend, can meet miguna at all times, many times for all we care.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 3, 2012 13:02:06 GMT 3
The "highly respected corporate titan" who was present in that meeting was either Obath or Equity's James Mwangi. This guessing game is becoming highly amusing and entertaining-almost a version of hunt the thimble. No, Destiny, this person is NOT my fellow Gem mate, long time Mombasa resident who was more famous at the Coast as a stage actor, Federation of Kenya head honcho Patrick Obath. Nor is he the politically connected financial tycoon James Mwangi. By the way, for those who have never played "Hunt the Thimble" here are some instructions on how to play the game: www.wikihow.com/Play-Hunt-the-ThimbleOnyango Oloo
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Post by mangai on Jan 3, 2012 13:10:54 GMT 3
In one of the many threads on Miguna Miguna, I had ‘vowed’ never to comment on the then raging debate on the pros and cons of his suspension as Raila’s advisor on coalition affairs. I considered it a non-issue, something that did not add/remove food on/from my table. Because of the varied opinion I have witnessed, let me however air my opinion on the current debate.
I have been reading comments from Jukwaa contributors on the Miguna issue and have come to the conclusion that they can be generally classified under the following categories: -
1. The first category is for the (fervent) Raila supporters who supported Miguna as long as he was espousing Raila’s good virtues and protecting him from numerous attacks from his political enemies, ODM rebel MPs included. To some of them Miguna was then Hon., Dr., or Prof. based on circumstances. Now that Miguna has turned into a Raila basher, this category is leading in their virulent attacks on the same man they supported a few months ago mainly because they have to protect Raila at all costs.
2. The second category is almost the complete opposite of the first one above. This group is known to hate Raila to the marrow. They attacked Miguna when he was supporting Raila but have turned around to embrace him and be his core supporters just because he is against Raila. To them an enemy of my enemy is my friend. K-24 TV station also falls into this category.
3. The other category is composed of folks who appear to have a personal friendship with Miguna but who at the same time have a soft spot for Raila. They are keen to defend their friend but at the same time laying the blame to some individuals at the OPM but not the PM directly for the Miguna fiasco. This group literally takes Miguna’s version of events as the gospel truth and are ready to defend it at all costs. In this group we also find those that feel a reconciliation between MM and RAO is the best way forward. Some have however given up on such an eventuality happening and have resorted to instead side with RAO.
4. There is also another category that just enjoys the Miguna circus. To them it is like a Mexican soap opera. They take pleasure in speculating how the episode will unravel and who, for instance, was the third party in Raila/Miguna meeting at the Serena hotel.
5. The final group comprises of guys who genuinely support Raila’s bid for presidency but not to the point of sycophancy. This group started sounding alarm bells long time ago that Miguna’s abrasive and confrontational manner of writing was alienating Raila from the people he was supposed to win over. They opposed Miguna style then and still do now as the circus continues.
In the principle of declaring one’s interest on a matter under discussion, I now declare that I belong to the last category. I don’t speak Raila’s mother tongue. I have had a soft spot for him since 1983 while still being a young boy. Compared to the galaxy of presidential contenders we have at the moment, I still consider Raila to be the ‘lesser devil’ and he will therefore continue to get my support.
Having said the above let me now briefly comment on this Miguna matter.
Miguna was Raila’s advisor on coalition affairs, in other words largely advising him on how to relate with Kibaki in as far as running the coalition government is concerned. I could be wrong. This did not preclude Raila having other advisors say on women affairs, youth affairs, legal affairs, devolution matters, environmental issues among very many others. Raila was not mandated to take Miguna’s advice or anybody else’s for that matter. What Miguna has done is to project himself as ‘the’ advisor of Raila to the exclusion of others. In an upcoming Citizen TV interview watch Miguna utter something like, ‘if Raila can treat his advisor in such a manner, what of……’
Have we also considered the fact that, barring any change in election date, Miguna’s role was set to expire in August when the coalition government is dissolved, or earlier (like Tuju) if he was keen to contest any elective political office? He was set to leave anyway unless Raila offered to deploy him elsewhere.
Miguna Miguna is a man so full of himself and a SYCOPHANT to the core despite his claims to the contrary. He ‘worshipped’ Raila when the going was good and as long as it lasted but has now turned his bitter critic after being shown the door. What changed all of a sudden and where are those principles? His ‘explosive’ book on Raila will not be objective but a constellation of anger from a jilted man! It will definitely be fodder for propaganda from Raila opponents but will not do much as to dent his support. Let him bring it on and stop using it as a blackmail tool.
One would have genuinely sympathised with Miguna after he was suspended. However the way he handled the suspension and later the ‘reinstatement’ leaves a lot to be desired about his level of judgement. I was always wondering how he would have gone back to genuinely advise Raila after all that he had spoken and written about him. Could Raila have handled him any different from Mancini’s treatment of Carlos Tevez at Manchester City? Raila has already stooped too low! Raila will survive with or without one Miguna Miguna.
Back in those days when I was growing up in the village, there was a man who used to discipline (now they call it batter) his wife for in those days it was fashionable to do so. What followed thereafter was a comedy of the absurd. As a ritual the woman would always run to a nearby hilltop and broadcast to all and sundry her problems with her husband including but not limited to calling him all the unprintable names that could cross her mind. We used to enjoy the echo as it reverberated from the valleys below. Unfortunately the man did not muster the guts to ‘address’ the village in a similar manner therefore leaving the woman’s version of events as the gospel truth. Miguna Miguna reminds me of that woman.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 3, 2012 13:11:49 GMT 3
I have a great feeling that this phil guy could indeed be Isahakiah or whatever the spelling. This is getting hilarious. Jukwaa's "Phil" according to you, could be Permanent Secretary Mohammed Isahakia who works in the Office of the Prime Minister? ?!!!If Phil is Isahakia, then YOU are DEFINITELY Tony Blair.I am serious. Onyango Oloo
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Post by danieldotwaweru on Jan 3, 2012 13:49:49 GMT 3
In one of the many threads on Miguna Miguna, I had ‘vowed’ never to comment on the then raging debate on the pros and cons of his suspension as Raila’s advisor on coalition affairs. I considered it a non-issue, something that did not add/remove food on/from my table. Because of the varied opinion I have witnessed, let me however air my opinion on the current debate.... I enjoyed your piece (and especially your taxonomy). But I don't think that Miguna was a sycophant. He was relatively financially independent, even before he came to the coalition job. And his willingness to fight back against what he saw as his mistreatment, even to the point of rejecting the job when it was re-offered, is inconsistent with sycophancy. (Compare: in the 80s and 90s, Moi would rig people out in one election, and then rig them back in. Many of them would accept the rigging both when it worked in their favour, and when it did not.) The key to the Miguna story, it seems to me, is something he said when he was first sacked---he said that he had loved Raila. Now that the lover is spurned, it's no surprise that he's so exceedingly bitter. The more so since the love will have been born of a desire to see reform, and a certainty that Raila was the man to do it. The case directly parallels John Githongo's. A sensitive, intelligent young man picks one of his elders for a father figure---Kibaki, for Githongo; Raila for Miguna---and goes to work for him, in the hope that together they can save the country. The father-figure turns out to be a monster. The son is filled with anger; and the rebellion, when it comes, is just as intense as the love that preceded it. |
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Post by tactician on Jan 3, 2012 14:37:40 GMT 3
In one of the many threads on Miguna Miguna, I had ‘vowed’ never to comment on the then raging debate on the pros and cons of his suspension as Raila’s advisor on coalition affairs. I considered it a non-issue, something that did not add/remove food on/from my table. Because of the varied opinion I have witnessed, let me however air my opinion on the current debate.... I enjoyed your piece (and especially your taxonomy). But I don't think that Miguna was a sycophant. He was relatively financially independent, even before he came to the coalition job. And his willingness to fight back against what he saw as his mistreatment, even to the point of rejecting the job when it was re-offered, is inconsistent with sycophancy. (Compare: in the 80s and 90s, Moi would rig people out in one election, and then rig them back in. Many of them would accept the rigging both when it worked in their favour, and when it did not.) The key to the Miguna story, it seems to me, is something he said when he was first sacked---he said that he had loved Raila. Now that the lover is spurned, it's no surprise that he's so exceedingly bitter. The more so since the love will have been born of a desire to see reform, and a certainty that Raila was the man to do it. The case directly parallels John Githongo's. A sensitive, intelligent young man picks one of his elders for a father figure---Kibaki, for Githongo; Raila for Miguna---and goes to work for him, in the hope that together they can save the country. The father-figure turns out to be a monster. The son is filled with anger; and the rebellion, when it comes, is just as intense as the love that preceded it. Best analogy so far. Miguna went to work for Raila thinking politics is a white and black game, just as Githongo went to work for Kibaki thinking he was put there to fight corruption. Only for Miguna (like Githongo) to find out that to get to the top and remain there, campaigns must be financed (maize scandal; anglo leasing), lies must be told etc etc And the mistake that these naive fellas make is to think that it is the functionaries around their leader that are misadvising the leader (Muthaura, Moody, Kiraitu, Murungaru; Caroli, Isahakia, Jakoyo, Orengo)...when it is actually the leader himself who keeps such company that bears the blame. In short, the simple question that Miguna must ask is this: - in the light of the agreement that he and Raila agreed upon, and the different version of events that came out of Mwasera, Isahakia & Caroli, what has Raila done about it? - How come these fellows, who are in the wrong, are still in office, while he, Miguna, who is in the right, is out of office? Judge the man by the company he keeps |
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Post by raiswakesho on Jan 3, 2012 19:12:30 GMT 3
I find it hard to reconcile some of the statements made by MM. If he believes that RAO is not the "mweupa kama pamba" as most people believe, then why did he still want to work for him and report to him directly? Doesn't this call into question his principles and ideals? Let MM publish his book and expose whatever he has.
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Post by johns on Jan 3, 2012 23:32:15 GMT 3
I would like to ask O.O a question here; do you ever get concern that Miguna seem to be obsess with his self importance that even the third person who happen to be a mutual friend of both he and Raila had to be accorded a station of importance? "He is a titanic giant in the corporate world" he says. Why can't he be just a mutual friend and end it there? Must he tell the world the importance of the people he hang out with or could this be a reflection of how he perceive himself? This would be entirely in conformity with the contempt he has for those who are his juniors in position like the Mwasera's of this world.
While at it, why does it matter to you that much that you have to rebut every name floated out there? Does getting the right name that important to further this cause of Miguna?
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Jan 4, 2012 3:43:29 GMT 3
I would like to ask O.O a question here; do you ever get concern that Miguna seem to be obsess with his self importance that even the third person who happen to be a mutual friend of both he and Raila had to be accorded a station of importance? "He is a titanic giant in the corporate world" he says. Why can't he be just a mutual friend and end it there? Must he tell the world the importance of the people he hang out with or could this be a reflection of how he perceive himself? This would be entirely in conformity with the contempt he has for those who are his juniors in position like the Mwasera's of this world. While at it, why does it matter to you that much that you have to rebut every name floated out there? Does getting the right name that important to further this cause of Miguna?
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Post by jakaswanga on Jan 4, 2012 20:47:31 GMT 3
The key to the Miguna story, it seems to me, is something he said when he was first sacked---he said that he had [i ]loved[/i] Raila. Now that the lover is spurned, it's no surprise that he's so exceedingly bitter. The more so since the love will have been born of a desire to see reform, and a certainty that Raila was the man to do it. The case directly parallels John Githongo's. A sensitive, intelligent young man picks one of his elders for a father figure---Kibaki, for Githongo; Raila for Miguna---and goes to work for him, in the hope that together they can save the country. The father-figure turns out to be a monster. The son is filled with anger; and the rebellion, when it comes, is just as intense as the love that preceded it.[/quote] Ah, Daniel-W!I was looking to welcome you back on the other thread of the adminstrator, but it is locked. So let me do it here! welcome back, ya old rascal  ! [And before you do a PM on me, let me say that is a hearty and warm greeting of seafarers coming ashore once again, be it after more than a healthy dose of rum and gin! It also would be in place to bless the red heart of Oloo, seeing he did not reject your original handle, but relented in all mercy! Good too that you did not in rash anger [ kuno], tell him to go to hell with his Jukwaa! Now that aspect of love you propose delves deep into Sigmund Freud and his musings on oedipal rage! For those with an artistic bend [the scientific minded may find Freud a bit stale] this is of course a goldmine! Be good now, old boy! |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jan 4, 2012 21:03:19 GMT 3
I enjoyed your piece (and especially your taxonomy). But I don't think that Miguna was a sycophant. He was relatively financially independent, even before he came to the coalition job. And his willingness to fight back against what he saw as his mistreatment, even to the point of rejecting the job when it was re-offered, is inconsistent with sycophancy. (Compare: in the 80s and 90s, Moi would rig people out in one election, and then rig them back in. Many of them would accept the rigging both when it worked in their favour, and when it did not.) The key to the Miguna story, it seems to me, is something he said when he was first sacked---he said that he had loved Raila. Now that the lover is spurned, it's no surprise that he's so exceedingly bitter. The more so since the love will have been born of a desire to see reform, and a certainty that Raila was the man to do it. The case directly parallels John Githongo's. A sensitive, intelligent young man picks one of his elders for a father figure---Kibaki, for Githongo; Raila for Miguna---and goes to work for him, in the hope that together they can save the country. The father-figure turns out to be a monster. The son is filled with anger; and the rebellion, when it comes, is just as intense as the love that preceded it. Best analogy so far. Miguna went to work for Raila thinking politics is a white and black game, just as Githongo went to work for Kibaki thinking he was put there to fight corruption. Only for Miguna (like Githongo) to find out that to get to the top and remain there, campaigns must be financed (maize scandal; anglo leasing), lies must be told etc etc And the mistake that these naive fellas make is to think that it is the functionaries around their leader that are misadvising the leader (Muthaura, Moody, Kiraitu, Murungaru; Caroli, Isahakia, Jakoyo, Orengo)...when it is actually the leader himself who keeps such company that bears the blame. In short, the simple question that Miguna must ask is this: - in the light of the agreement that he and Raila agreed upon, and the different version of events that came out of Mwasera, Isahakia & Caroli, what has Raila done about it? - How come these fellows, who are in the wrong, are still in office, while he, Miguna, who is in the right, is out of office? Judge the man by the company he keeps Very well said good people. Before MM was sent packing the KANU style, it was widely reported that the decision was reached at a meeting held at Raila's house chaired by the PM himself and attended by his brother Oburu, his cousin Midiwo and their lawyer Orengo. When the news reached MM, he tried to reach the PM without any success; he never saw nor heard from him untill the recent night meeting at Serena. even after that meeting and what followed, MM send the PM a text message which has never been responded to upto now. It is therefore not very right to blame it all on Isahakia and Caroli, the PM is very much behind MM's woes. Likewise, it is unfair to compare MM's woes to Githongo's; whereas Githongo fought and is still fighting, MM is ready to cut deals and be part of the conspiracy as long as he earns as much as Muthaura does, he has security at his home and reports directly to the PM among other personal grievances. |
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Post by b6k on Jan 5, 2012 18:24:26 GMT 3
DW, welcome back indeed. MM as Githongo? I'm not so sure because he comes out as being short on principles (fighting for his own position while forgetting his staff...sorry I guess they're too "junior" to be worth anything); fighting for country as opposed to looking out for number number one. He strikes me more as an inverted doppleganger of the diminutive Alfred Getonga, who allegedly fled State House with God knows what secret files to do God knows what with. At least we can expect a book out of MM's ouster from OPM.
Speaking of books, how's your PEV one coming along?
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Post by Luol Deng on Jan 5, 2012 19:48:47 GMT 3
Miguna was never and can never be a Githongo. The guy basically saw nothing wrong with the PM before being unceremoniously kicked out of the OPM. He then found his 'voice of principle' during that period. Githongo resigned when he felt that his stay @ the OP was untenable.
Miguna was also ready and willing to go back to the 'political conman' without anything significantly changing at the OPM. I doubt whether Githongo would have taken such a deal.
Finally, his demand of reporting 'directly' to the PM has to be seen in the same selfish light. This guy had a dysfunctional relationship with the staff at the OPM. After being suspended he didn't spare any ink in calling them all sorts of names. He couldn't work with the guys as if nothing happened, the next best thing was to take them out of the equation by demanding that he deals directly with the PM. That was probably the main factor in his decision.
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Post by joblesscorner on Jan 5, 2012 22:07:21 GMT 3
I see twitter going viral, MM was Citizen TV, just a few minutes ago.....
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Post by phil on Jan 5, 2012 22:11:06 GMT 3
An arrogant Miguna using Citizen to market his book and chest thump about imaginary popularity. Ati Miguna used his personal funds to support Raila's candidature and even wrote Raila's speech. What if we retort these were purely for purposes of canvassing for a state job when ODM takes power?
Tasteless interview. Will give a deeper response in due course.
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