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Post by morimax on Jun 27, 2012 18:10:06 GMT 3
Kamale,You must be the only one who is not aware that Uhuru Kenyatta and Francis Muthaura are shitting bricks because they have been charged and indicted by the ICC for mass murder and rape of Kenyans because of their ethnic origin. Exactly what the songs are promoting, right? I don't think those gentlemen will be picking coffee and milking cows at The Hague. I don't think those who barricaded 7 kids and their parents in their home in Naivasha were doing so because those kids were stopping them from picking their coffee and milking their cows. Those despicable crimes were committed because of the ethnic origin of the victims. So you try being "clever", my friend but the reality is staring you in the face. You can't run away from it. Those folks milking their cows and picking their coffee in Murang'a probably have relatives and friends who were barricaded in churches and burnt alive as well as many others hacked to death and their property seized by marauding gangs simply because they are Kikuyus. Those ones left their cows and coffee behind, seized by others. These are realities we can't just wish away. That is why Kenyans are declaring zero tolerance for tribal hate mongers. They (tribal hate mongers and practitioners) may need to get another career whether they are politicians or musicians. That is the good news. the harsh reality only become so after mentioning uncut mmmes and Raila...! So quit seeing hate when none exists....and if you wish to know, it is not the songs that killed the 7 in Naivasha or the many in Kiambaa...it is irresponsible utterances by Raila and company! KamaletYou are becoming petty on this issue, and dodging the issues to be addressed.... Hate mongering..... and that is exactly what you are still perpetuating by sticking on RAOs genitals! May be we need to come low to your level and lift you up. Question... Have you ever seen RAOs mmm? Do you go to bed with him? Do you and your artists have credible info that he is not circumcised? I guess not, and if that id true then it may mean something else. Anyway that is your right. You and your ignorant artists may have composed their lyrics on the adage Luo customs and traditions which have long been overtaken by events and circumstances. You and me know that Luos for that matter no longer extract thier lower six teeth, coz, its no longer important. You and me know that circumcision has been promoted and encouraged in Kenya and more so in Luo nyanza, coz of its preventative measure. Now if you are privy to this info then you and your artist should desist from those people as the uncut, not unless it is purely hate mongering. Get enlightened.
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Post by jakaswanga on Jun 27, 2012 20:13:14 GMT 3
Mr JakaswangaI agree with you, there are no innocents in kenya, that's a reality we have to accept. I don't have a problem with insulting lyrics every group of people have their share of prejudices, what I have a problem with is the willful blindness to our own faults while loudly pontificating about our neighbours faults. However, I cannot help but note that you too were "omertized" to a certain extent. If it wasn't for B6k's link which blew it wide open, the secret would have been permanently sealed .........but you can redeem yourself by providing a translation to the second song. OK,I will hand it to you though, you provided the footage so you are partially redeemed. Thank you ! Fahari,I knew the translation was out there on the net. You would find it if you looked. --There are actually several translations out there; there was a notoriously 'edited' one, which we assumed was posted by a propagandist who felt uncomfortable with import of the song becoming known Kenya-wide! But also, this discussion which now seems to go viral amongst the chattering classes of Kenya, is one I have seen exhaustively done all those years ago in Nyanza. Anybody who listens to 'ethnic pop' with a critical sense and failed to have raised this issue earlier, is of course guilty of negligence. [There was another smash hit, Malo Malo, which I heard another Luo criticize as a 'jingoistic chant dangerously close to the external image of the Luo as people intertaining feelings of general superiorty! There is a polished studio version on the net.] This consensus of banning was expressed by another literati I knew, with a name like Olela Standby. He said: 'In the process of civilization and forging of the Kenyan nation, I would whip these wretched artists into positivist conformism. If the song be political, it will be the music of one Kenya forever in peace, or the musicians hold their tongues. Sing about deviant love.'On our side we said: that, Standby, is an authoritarian morgue of a society, tranquil indeed it would be, but the uniformity of dead minds. The paradise of ants. Or a bee colony. Great, but not for humans who are defined by a free spirit. And I told Standby how uncannily he sounded like Major T, a Tutsi colleague who announced the ban on all Hutu pop music! [extraordinary temporary measure!] And about omerta, relax wewe, Jukwaa has its limits when it comes to criticizing the Luo. If you remember the administrator locking up the other one on nationalism just when I was revving up! ------------------------------ And here is strong voice Papa Jey above just for you. It looks bad nobody has volunteered. So my fellow Luos, as you know the lineage of baboons are a greedy animal lot Away secretly they whiled the whole plate behind my back And when I shouted stop thieves A mob they turned vile upon I, progeny of Ramogi --(Tinga)(Tinga)b6kI am just curious. Perhaps you have spent some thought on it. In your opinion, Which are the legitimate ways of expressing hate in a country like Kenya? Or be it a legitimate emotion, you think we must maintain appearances, pretend it exists not in Kenya. Hakuna matata? You lurk ;D? that word traumatizes me! I could relapse into infantile rage!
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Post by b6k on Jun 27, 2012 22:57:18 GMT 3
b6kI am just curious. Perhaps you have spent some thought on it. In your opinion, Which are the legitimate ways of expressing hate in a country like Kenya? Or be it a legitimate emotion, you think we must maintain appearances, pretend it exists not in Kenya. Hakuna matata? You lurk ;D? that word traumatizes me! I could relapse into infantile rage! Jakaswanga, I would rephrase your question slightly to answer it because expressing hate, even in a legitimate manner, remains hateful by nature. Without a doubt the most effective way of channeling aggression (ie repackaging hate) in a way that is respectable anywhere across the globe is competitive sports. This being Kenya, a football heaven, the best option would be to promote football in all the counties & as much as possible ensure that each team only has sons of the soil playing for it. This way Gor should be only made up lakeside boys, AFC of Western boys, Shabana of Kisii boys, etc across the nation. Thus when the various teams meet on the pitch, you would end up with psuedo-tribal warfare with barbs, punches & kicks restricted to the players on the field. Fans should desist from....uuum throwing missiles & getting into brawls as the battle should be confined to the pitch with victory, or defeat there, being final (easier said than done since even English hooligans have a long history of getting carried away in the heat of the moment). This could be replicated in other sports as well. Track & field events where ofcourse the dynamics would change in terms of "regional domination" Another popular & legitimate way to have this pseudo-warfare would be to set up a Inter-County music contest ala Tusker Project Fame mode. Make sure it's "civilized"competition the Eurovision way but, once again, try as much as possible to ensure those counties that have a "homegrown" majority are represented by people of that zone alone. Market it as a clash of the minstrels from County x, y, z with a heavy emphasis on where they originate from. In fact, encourage call ins from the wananchi huko mashinani because it's better they cast their SMS votes multilple times in such a benign singing contest but refrain to do so from general elections. Naturally if you follow the models above you will be breaking the law as KE allows everyone to live anywhere. This was just a wee demonstration that if there's the will to get communities to show who's the boss in a particular human endeavour without resorting to violence, there are ways it can be done ;D
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Post by job on Jun 27, 2012 23:38:51 GMT 3
There’s a subtle but relentless effort to veer this thread off the original debate. This thread was about three particular vernacular songs that the NCIC is currently “investigating”. The National Cohesion boss told the public he was awaiting a “certified” Kikuyu translator to decode three disturbing songs; Uhuru ni Witu (Uhuru is Ours) – Kamande wa Kioi, Hague Bound – Muigai Wa Njoroge and Muhiko and Mwaka wa hiti (The year of the hyena) – Demathew.
If the songs are found to violate the National Cohesion Law, the musicians should face appropriate punishment. After all (to the moral equivalency escapists), didn’t Kibaki’s administration jail the late Tanzania musician called Owino Misiani for producing the equally offensive (dehumanizing) Bim en Bim song – which was further banned from media waves.
Don’t we want to clean our air waves of such ethnic hate and incitement? If Onyi papa Jey has also followed Misiani’s footsteps, Kibunja should equally step in with “certified” Luo translators. The point is – let’s not downplay, ignore, or trivialize serious matters that could threaten national harmony.
This is precisely why I took the initiative to contact the KNCHR and ICC’s OTP; bringing their attention to this matter (of the three specific songs) . I didn’t waste a breath reporting to Kibunja’s NCIC – nevertheless thanks to my pal & ethnic-harmony activist, Ngunjiri Wambugu for officially doing so.
Why did I contact the ICC?
Precisely because Uhuru Kenyatta – whom Kamande, Muigai and DeMathew are idolizing in the ethnic hate/incitement songs – has actually hosted these very musicians (as featured musicians/entertainers) at his so called “prayer rallies”…which in reality are festivals of tribal hate, ethnic slurs and tribal incitement. Entertainers and musicians in these rallies are paid. Thus, it's likely Uhuru has been paying and promoting these musicians and their disturbing message.
Can Uhuru Kenyatta deny ever paying these musicians to perform none other than these same offensive songs at his hate-fest rallies? Hasn’t there been a common hate/incitement theme at these rallies – from entertainers to political speakers?
I brought the OTP’s attention to the fact that DeMathew was the featured performer at Uhuru Kenyatta’s “prayer rally” in Gatundu in April 2011. There was a large crowd led by Uhuru Kenyatta that sang, roared, cheered, and danced along DeMathew- these slurs and words of hateful incitement. I similarly found out that the mugiithi 'celebrities' were again belching out the tribal slur hits at Uhuru Kenyatta’s Githunguri and Muranga (March 2011) hate fests.
Here’s a little dose of the March 28th, 2011 “Prayer Rally” at Muranga - where DeMathew's song and Uhuru's political message are in perfect congruency. The last time I heard ICC describe something about these rallies was when Judge Trendafilova termed them "dangerous speeches". Now, dangerous speeches and dangerous music could be a deadly combination.
From 4:10 – leads an incitement resolution against the Prime Minister of the Republic of Kenya.
If the OTP (& the restof the nation - and globe) can start by chewing these…and combing through all of Uhuru Kenyatta’s political rallies during his hate circuit…we shall be making progress in Kenya. We shall probably know more about the individual called Uhuru Kenyatta and probably start understanding how ethnic hate eventually landed him behind the dock of the global court at the Hague. The OTP had better find their own ‘certified” Kikuyu translators and go through all the speeches at those rallies.
Uhuru’s belated statement trying to distance himself from the tribal slur-singing celebs might not cut it if videos show him dancing on stage with them – helping sing the same lyrics. It will also be interesting to watch the predictable Kibunja of NCIC go gaga after the meek statement "assuring investigations". I’ll also watch whether the media council will buy the abstract arguments of speech freedom and musical art connoisseurs or ban these tribally-inciting songs in public radio stations.
Ok, away from the title - back to the professional detractors, false-equivalency theorists, shameless apologists, disingenuous theorists, …to the lets-just-forget-this-sisi-wote-wabaya rhythm…keep unmasking yourselves! I'll be back shortly.
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Post by tnk on Jun 28, 2012 0:05:03 GMT 3
There’s a subtle but relentless effort to veer this thread off the original debate. This thread was about three particular vernacular songs that the NCIC is currently “investigating”. The National Cohesion boss told the public he was awaiting a “certified” Kikuyu translator to decode three disturbing songs; Uhuru ni Witu (Uhuru is Ours) – Kamande wa Kioi, Hague Bound – Muigai Wa Njoroge and Muhiko and Mwaka wa hiti (The year of the hyena) – Demathew........ This is precisely why I took the initiative to contact the KNCHR and ICC’s OTP; bringing their attention to this matter (of the three specific songs) . I didn’t waste a breath reporting to Kibunja’s NCIC – nevertheless thanks to my pal & ethnic-harmony activist, Ngunjiri Wambugu for officially doing so. ..... Why did I contact the ICC? Precisely because Uhuru Kenyatta – whom Kamande, Muigai and DeMathew are idolizing in the ethnic hate/incitement songs – has actually hosted these very musicians (as featured musicians/entertainers) at his so called “prayer rallies”…which in reality are festivals of tribal hate, ethnic slurs and tribal incitement. Entertainers and musicians in these rallies are paid. Thus, it's likely Uhuru has been paying and promoting these musicians and their disturbing message......... ..... Here’s a little dose of the March 28th, 2011 “Prayer Rally” at Muranga - where DeMathew's song and Uhuru's political message are in perfect congruency. From 4:10 – leads an incitement resolution against the Prime Minister of the Republic of Kenya. ..... If the OTP (& the restof the nation - and globe) can start by chewing these…and combing through all of Uhuru Kenyatta’s political rallies during his hate circuit…we shall be making progress in Kenya. We shall probably know more about the individual called Uhuru Kenyatta and probably start understanding how ethnic hate eventually landed him behind the dock of the global court at the Hague. The OTP had better find their own ‘certified” Kikuyu translators and go through all the speeches at those rallies. Uhuru’s belated statement trying to distance himself from the tribal slur-singing celebs might not cut it if videos show him dancing on stage with them – helping sing the same lyrics. It will also be interesting to watch the predictable Kibunja of NCIC go gaga after the meek statement "assuring investigations". I’ll also watch whether the media council will buy the abstract arguments of speech freedom and musical art connoisseurs or ban these tribally-inciting songs in public radio stations. Ok, away from the title - back to the professional detractors, false-equivalency theorists, shameless apologists, disingenuous theorists, …to the lets-just-forget-this- sisi-wote-wabaya rhythm…keep unmasking yourselves! I'll be back shortly. Job thats a classic yaani the uhuru crew has been giving these guys prime time at their rallies, and now pretend to be "shocked" hehehe i was wondering why kamale put up such a spirited fight now thats a revelation ......
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Post by OtishOtish on Jun 28, 2012 0:31:39 GMT 3
Job; I think some people have forgotten the 2007-2008 PEV and how things started small small. Fortunately the ICC takes hate speech quite seriously and will not buy the ideas of "freedom of expression" etc.
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Post by einstein on Jun 28, 2012 1:47:51 GMT 3
Adongo & Job,
Thanks!
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Post by phil on Jun 28, 2012 17:43:32 GMT 3
jobI have waited all day for the Kamales of this world to come out and deny that the man on the clip dancing and singing is the same Uhuru Kenyatta who variously denied having had knowledge of these hate songs. Even ICC OTP must be rubbing their hands in glee! Meanwhile, two musicians Kamanda wa Kioi and John DeMathew are under investigation for hate speech have this afternoon been summoned and have recorded statements at NCIC office. The third one is still awaited.
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Post by phil on Jun 28, 2012 18:23:32 GMT 3
NEWS IN: NCIC Has directed Kamanda wa Kioi be held at Kilimani Police Station tonight, pending a court appearance whilst DeMathew and Wa Njoroge apparently skipped and now an arrest warrant is being sought been issued for both!
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Post by jakaswanga on Jun 28, 2012 19:36:31 GMT 3
Don’t we want to clean our air waves of such ethnic hate and incitement? If Onyi papa Jey has also followed Misiani’s footsteps, Kibunja should equally step in with “certified” Luo translators. The point is – let’s not downplay, ignore, or trivialize serious matters that could threaten national harmony. Onyi Papa Jey now carted off to where the whips toll! hmmmBut there is a green grass under the snake, to put it like Mulili to Jasper in a once Kenyan drama set book. And let us see if the Raila secretariat, quick to report Uhuru's transgression to the OTP at the ICC, has done their thinking through, on the unintended consequences of these cynical attempts to denunciate, witch hunt, terrorize by state, and gag the creative spirits of our land as they do their stuff. Loving ones country by telling lies about it is also a profession: diplomacy! There is another Kenya, uglier, and better be faced another way. I will assume the now nearly half a decade old Kar Chakne Raila-ODM song is new to the majority of correspondents, and all these years they never heard of the controversy surrounding the stellar verse I translated above, nor have they, even if Jaluos, bothered to notice the delicacy with which it is chorused in relevant social joints. So living in the dark, they can now belatedly call upon the useless Kibunja to get to his blunt kits set. The song is essentially in praise of Raila. It bears his name and lauds him to the heavens. And who is to deny Onyi enjoyed the largese of Raila? And the VCD production, with a SATIRICAL illustration of the said animal-type at work, for those who have not seen it, is heavily laced with the images of Agwambo --in an echo of invincibility and triumphalism (wang'ni wadinonu!). Uhuru ni wetu? is so bad it goes to the ICC?? hmmm. [siayo mach nyakonchiel tu!]Why did I contact the ICC? Precisely because Uhuru Kenyatta – whom Kamande, Muigai and DeMathew are idolizing in the ethnic hate/incitement songs – has actually hosted these very musicians (as featured musicians/entertainers) at his so called “prayer rallies”…which in reality are festivals of tribal hate, ethnic slurs and tribal incitement. Entertainers and musicians in these rallies are paid. Thus, it's likely Uhuru has been paying and promoting these musicians and their disturbing message. Then, when the homecoming came to Kisumu Moi stadium for starters, and Raila and his pentagon came to sell the nusu-mUkate, what was the soundtrack to the event? with Nyong'o, the professor himself, in the role of ceremony master, was it not Onyi Papa Jey on top of his game, a priest leading a mass with the audience in choral auto cue? and the pentagon dancing themselves to pieces? The event was live on citizen TV. Must be burried somewhere on the net, traceable for those with the stamina to unearth those reels. Ok, away from the title - back to the professional detractors, false-equivalency theorists, shameless apologists, disingenuous theorists, …to the lets-just-forget-this- sisi-wote-wabaya rhythm…keep unmasking yourselves! I'll be back shortly. So Uhuru has distanced himself from his praise songs talking about k-ihiis? The unintended consequence is that this now sets a standard. Lets see if the Raila secretariat remembers their dalliance of yonder and disown Onyi and his masterpiece! [once dubbed the ODM campaign anthem] These things cut both ways. I must say even as bands were sought to underwrite the homecoming, the drinking-club I was a member of remembered to hit a note of caution: The historical intertwining of musicians/artists and politicians is rarely a happy one. Free spirits versus Control freaks. So to deal with the use and dump chameleons politicians usually are, artists become quicksands or sucking moors, for it is in their nature to try immortalize themselves in their work -- which may just be the last toilet paper for a politician. As Job, to whom this song is fresh, now directs the inquisition machine toward Onyi Papa Jey in a judas-like operation, some people I know will feel vindicated that we warned Onyi: these politicians dancing to you here, remember what Jesus said to a disciple about a cock not crowing twice before a denial. Suppression has always been the historical reaction of power to art that bothers its designs. Anyang' Nyong'o too will also recall he was warned then: you do well to remember the cultural productions around here, may not always subscribe to your comprador vision of Kenya. Now, lets watch if the professor has enough treachery in his heart to serve Onyi Papa Jey to the dogs. The end of the affair! Kibunja: report back when you are sure 'bim' is a baboon and not a gorilla; nor a chimpanzee, nor another unknown ape. you may want to certify that beyond reasonable doubt before you call Onyi.
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Post by Fahari on Jun 28, 2012 20:26:29 GMT 3
Fahari, LOL! I wonder how you will arrange that favourite drink to land in my inbox. I have been very much around right here on Jukwaa. I just consciously decided to become a "lurker" rather than a contributor for a while. I noted the "deathly silence" which is pretty much the norm on Jukwaa. There is a group here who believe ALL wrongs only emanate from one side on some sort of one way street. Equally, all solutions or reforms can only come from their side of the political spectrum. Nothing could be further from the truth. To borrow from Misiani's symbolism but applying it to these folks, a baboon does not see it's own backside but heartily laughs at it's neighbors. Someone put it very well on another thread. As long as we rely on the current crop of politicians be prepared for nothing but disappointment & heartache. They will continue to play the same old monkey games in a different forest. Just look at how the new constitution is being decimated piece by piece. Let the Tractor sputter along.... If we are ever going to break the cycle of hate we all need to admit we all have short comings & prejudices that naturally come out in our respective works of art & song. Unless we can call them out for what they are, the cycle will only repeat itself when conditions allow. Jakaswanga, I forgot to address you on one point. I did have another handle on Jukwaa. My original handle, Bobby6killer, which for some reason never went active & by now has been swept off the board following OO's spring cleaning. So if you don't hear from b6k, assume I am lurking ;D B6K You are so right, we seem to have a "see no evil hear no evil" attitude towards "our own" which can be very exasperating. Its a pity you have taken on lurker status since we have very few balanced contributors to this forum, jukwaa is now threatening to become an echo chamber of one particular line of thought. That drink can be in boxed easy, technology will facilitate ...pick your poison then amazon or mama mikes will do the rest.... you may in box me on that one. I am yet to get over that "conspiracy of silence" lakini asante sana you made my day!!
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Post by Fahari on Jun 28, 2012 21:11:39 GMT 3
Don�t we want to clean our air waves of such ethnic hate and incitement? If Onyi papa Jey has also followed Misiani�s footsteps, Kibunja should equally step in with �certified� Luo translators. The point is � let�s not downplay, ignore, or trivialize serious matters that could threaten national harmony. Onyi Papa Jey now carted off to where the whips toll! hmmmBut there is a green grass under the snake, to put it like Mulili to Jasper in a once Kenyan drama set book. And let us see if the Raila secretariat, quick to report Uhuru's transgression to the OTP at the ICC, has done their thinking through, on the unintended consequences of these cynical attempts to denunciate, witch hunt, terrorize by state, and gag the creative spirits of our land as they do their stuff. Loving ones country by telling lies about it is also a profession: diplomacy! There is another Kenya, uglier, and better be faced another way. I will assume the now nearly half a decade old Kar Chakne Raila-ODM song is new to the majority of correspondents, and all these years they never heard of the controversy surrounding the stellar verse I translated above, nor have they, even if Jaluos, bothered to notice the delicacy with which it is chorused in relevant social joints. So living in the dark, they can now belatedly call upon the useless Kibunja to get to his blunt kits set. The song is essentially in praise of Raila. It bears his name and lauds him to the heavens. And who is to deny Onyi enjoyed the largese of Raila? And the VCD production, with a SATIRICAL illustration of the said animal-type at work, for those who have not seen it, is heavily laced with the images of Agwambo --in an echo of invincibility and triumphalism (wang'ni wadinonu!). Uhuru ni wetu? is so bad it goes to the ICC?? hmmm. [siayo mach nyakonchiel tu!]Then, when the homecoming came to Kisumu Moi stadium for starters, and Raila and his pentagon came to sell the nusu-mUkate, what was the soundtrack to the event? with Nyong'o, the professor himself, in the role of ceremony master, was it not Onyi Papa Jey on top of his game, a priest leading a mass with the audience in choral auto cue? and the pentagon dancing themselves to pieces? The event was live on citizen TV. Must be burried somewhere on the net, traceable for those with the stamina to unearth those reels. Ok, away from the title - back to the professional detractors, false-equivalency theorists, shameless apologists, disingenuous theorists, �to the lets-just-forget-this- sisi-wote-wabaya rhythm�keep unmasking yourselves! I'll be back shortly. So Uhuru has distanced himself from his praise songs talking about k-ihiis? The unintended consequence is that this now sets a standard. Lets see if the Raila secretariat remembers their dalliance of yonder and disown Onyi and his masterpiece! [once dubbed the ODM campaign anthem] These things cut both ways. I must say even as bands were sought to underwrite the homecoming, the drinking-club I was a member of remembered to hit a note of caution: The historical intertwining of musicians/artists and politicians is rarely a happy one. Free spirits versus Control freaks. So to deal with the use and dump chameleons politicians usually are, artists become quicksands or sucking moors, for it is in their nature to try immortalize themselves in their work -- which may just be the last toilet paper for a politician. As Job, to whom this song is fresh, now directs the inquisition machine toward Onyi Papa Jey in a judas-like operation, some people I know will feel vindicated that we warned Onyi: these politicians dancing to you here, remember what Jesus said to a disciple about a cock not crowing twice before a denial. Suppression has always been the historical reaction of power to art that bothers its designs. Anyang' Nyong'o too will also recall he was warned then: you do well to remember the cultural productions around here, may not always subscribe to your comprador vision of Kenya. Now, lets watch if the professor has enough treachery in his heart to serve Onyi Papa Jey to the dogs. The end of the affair! Kibunja: report back when you are sure 'bim' is a baboon and not a gorilla; nor a chimpanzee, nor another unknown ape. you may want to certify that beyond reasonable doubt before you call Onyi. Heh, kweli you have broken the code.... hata wewe pewa kitu ......... Yep jukwaa has it limits, I do recall the thread that had you stripped of your " Luo citizenship", it was hilarious. We have taken bets on whether "conscientious" citizen Job will report Papa j and ODM to the ICC and report to jukwaa his service to the nation. All I can say is that I am winning that one against a naive non kenyan lurker.
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Post by job on Jun 28, 2012 21:13:38 GMT 3
Onyi Papa Jey now carted off to where the whips toll! hmmm May I remind you it's you (Jakaswanga) who brought up the name of Onyi Papa Jey and Owino Misiani into this debate. I didn't read your entire post justifying it, but I suspect you had valid reasons for the equivalency...you may in fact understand both languages as applied in art. If indeed you think Papa Jey is committing the same offense with DeMathew, Kamanda and wa Njoroge, (the reason you brought his name) I suggest you gather the courage and do what another patriotic Kenyan called Wambugu Ngunjiri did. There is this Commission called the National Cohesion and Integration Commission (NCIC) which operates under the NCIC Act - one of Kenya's statutory laws passed following the NARA Accord. Just emulate Wambugu Ngunjiri by gathering the recordings and clips and file an official complaint at NCIC. This body has powers to reject or take up any complaint. From Wambugu's complaint, NCIC found reasons enough warranting investigation starting by translation of the songs. They went a step further by now summoning the musicians alleged to be peddling hate speech. NCIC didn't find innocuous art and literary wizardry in these songs. They rather found the crime of ethnic contempt. It looks like charges have been filed and Kamanda is already in police custody ( Phil's account)...while DeMathew and wa Njoroge have a warrant against them. Rather than assume Jey's songs are similarly harmless, why don't you do Kenya a favour by subjecting them to NCIC's vetting test. As for Owino Misiani, which you again had the honour of injecting into the debate - the Tanzanian national was actually jailed by this government for the Bim en Bim song. In any case he is already dead and long buried in his home in Mara district, Tanzania. Besides helping Mulili with his adage, I'll not hesitate to occasionally point out green snakes lurking in grass; with false moral equivalencies. There goes the green snake again. I wrote to the OTP. I am not the Raila Secretariat. I'll never denunciate creative art and music. The NCIC has a State mandate to enhance national cohesion, reconciliation, and harmony. Allow them space to perform their job independently. It is Jakaswanga who brought up the matter of all these songs here - songs I'm frankly unfamiliar with. Debate within yourself whether they warrant Kibunja's testing or not. If they do, gather the courage to do what Wambugu did. You would be doing Kenya a great favour if you gathered all the evidence and take it up with NCIC. Probably Raila, Onyi and Nyong'o indeed have a case to answer regarding ethnic incitement. Take up the mantle if this is not just empty fallutin'. I would rather positive precedents are set to encourage national harmony and cohesion; rather than have musicians from all 42 tribes eking careers out of deriding cultures of other communities. The Bim matter was litigated long before NCIC came into existence...and its author is resting six feet below the ground somewhere near Musoma, Tanzania.
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Post by b6k on Jun 28, 2012 21:33:51 GMT 3
Don’t we want to clean our air waves of such ethnic hate and incitement? If Onyi papa Jey has also followed Misiani’s footsteps, Kibunja should equally step in with “certified” Luo translators. The point is – let’s not downplay, ignore, or trivialize serious matters that could threaten national harmony. Onyi Papa Jey now carted off to where the whips toll! hmmmBut there is a green grass under the snake, to put it like Mulili to Jasper in a once Kenyan drama set book. And let us see if the Raila secretariat, quick to report Uhuru's transgression to the OTP at the ICC, has done their thinking through, on the unintended consequences of these cynical attempts to denunciate, witch hunt, terrorize by state, and gag the creative spirits of our land as they do their stuff. Loving ones country by telling lies about it is also a profession: diplomacy! There is another Kenya, uglier, and better be faced another way. I will assume the now nearly half a decade old Kar Chakne Raila-ODM song is new to the majority of correspondents, and all these years they never heard of the controversy surrounding the stellar verse I translated above, nor have they, even if Jaluos, bothered to notice the delicacy with which it is chorused in relevant social joints. So living in the dark, they can now belatedly call upon the useless Kibunja to get to his blunt kits set. The song is essentially in praise of Raila. It bears his name and lauds him to the heavens. And who is to deny Onyi enjoyed the largese of Raila? And the VCD production, with a SATIRICAL illustration of the said animal-type at work, for those who have not seen it, is heavily laced with the images of Agwambo --in an echo of invincibility and triumphalism (wang'ni wadinonu!). Uhuru ni wetu? is so bad it goes to the ICC?? hmmm. [siayo mach nyakonchiel tu!]Then, when the homecoming came to Kisumu Moi stadium for starters, and Raila and his pentagon came to sell the nusu-mUkate, what was the soundtrack to the event? with Nyong'o, the professor himself, in the role of ceremony master, was it not Onyi Papa Jey on top of his game, a priest leading a mass with the audience in choral auto cue? and the pentagon dancing themselves to pieces? The event was live on citizen TV. Must be burried somewhere on the net, traceable for those with the stamina to unearth those reels. Ok, away from the title - back to the professional detractors, false-equivalency theorists, shameless apologists, disingenuous theorists, …to the lets-just-forget-this- sisi-wote-wabaya rhythm…keep unmasking yourselves! I'll be back shortly. So Uhuru has distanced himself from his praise songs talking about k-ihiis? The unintended consequence is that this now sets a standard. Lets see if the Raila secretariat remembers their dalliance of yonder and disown Onyi and his masterpiece! [once dubbed the ODM campaign anthem] These things cut both ways. I must say even as bands were sought to underwrite the homecoming, the drinking-club I was a member of remembered to hit a note of caution: The historical intertwining of musicians/artists and politicians is rarely a happy one. Free spirits versus Control freaks. So to deal with the use and dump chameleons politicians usually are, artists become quicksands or sucking moors, for it is in their nature to try immortalize themselves in their work -- which may just be the last toilet paper for a politician. As Job, to whom this song is fresh, now directs the inquisition machine toward Onyi Papa Jey in a judas-like operation, some people I know will feel vindicated that we warned Onyi: these politicians dancing to you here, remember what Jesus said to a disciple about a cock not crowing twice before a denial. Suppression has always been the historical reaction of power to art that bothers its designs. Anyang' Nyong'o too will also recall he was warned then: you do well to remember the cultural productions around here, may not always subscribe to your comprador vision of Kenya. Now, lets watch if the professor has enough treachery in his heart to serve Onyi Papa Jey to the dogs. The end of the affair! Kibunja: report back when you are sure 'bim' is a baboon and not a gorilla; nor a chimpanzee, nor another unknown ape. you may want to certify that beyond reasonable doubt before you call Onyi. Jakaswanga, yet another masterpiece from your scathing keyboard. Careful lakini. At the rate you are going you will be excommunicated, disbarred, tarred and feathered from the shores of the lakeside. You've given me enough homework to delve into www & see what I can find out about Onyi Papa. Give me some time to digest your missive
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Post by job on Jun 28, 2012 21:36:06 GMT 3
We have taken bets on whether "conscientious" citizen Job will report Papa j and ODM to the ICC and report to jukwaa his service to the nation.
All I can say is that I am winning that one against a naive non kenyan lurker. Fahari,Thanks for the condescending sarcasm. Let me tell you that this "conscientious" citizen called Job has no clue whatsoever, about the song Jakaswanga is referring to. Am not big on Ohangla; and never been 'fortunate' to access the said DVDs from my current vantage. Is what am stating above really possible in the world of real conscientious people with well thought names (handles) like Fahari?If my 'reporting' to the OTP (ICC) indeed gushed some bile up your gut, sorry for that. Pewa moja hata wewe! Before I pass a round to sisi wote wengine - all the naive Kenyan and their equally naive non-Kenyan compatriots (lurkers) - can you remind the expert in that Papa-Jey ODM song - aka Jakaswanga - to do his tour of duty to the nation by reporting the grave matter to the ICC. Can Phil please update JUKWAA on the subject matter of this thread - DeMathew and wa Njoroge wameshikwa tayari?
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Post by b6k on Jun 28, 2012 21:52:02 GMT 3
B6K You are so right, we seem to have a "see no evil hear no evil" attitude towards "our own" which can be very exasperating. Its a pity you have taken on lurker status since we have very few balanced contributors to this forum, jukwaa is now threatening to become an echo chamber of one particular line of thought. That drink can be in boxed easy, technology will facilitate ...pick your poison then amazon or mama mikes will do the rest.... you may in box me on that one. I am yet to get over that "conspiracy of silence" lakini asante sana you made my day!! Fahari,Jukwaa is an informative forum as long as you keep in mind that the majority of contributors subscribe to one point of view. Although it is the brain child of people who claim to be apolitical, or at the very least, non-ODM members, the general theme is support for the Tractor & all that appertains from him. In short, it is a bit like tuning into VOK news broadcasts in the good old one party rule days. Rely on Jukwaa as your sole source of 411 at your own peril. Hence my need for a bit of detox as a lurker as engaging the ODMers on the forum eventually feels like I would imagine redeeming an adherent from the clutches of a cult would be like. Since you are sponsoring a drink, let me in-box you for that. I just hope I don't find myself reported to admin as one unfortunate in-boxer was recently ;D
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Post by b6k on Jun 28, 2012 21:55:17 GMT 3
Yep jukwaa has it limits, I do recall the thread that had you stripped of your " Luo citizenship", it was hilarious. I think I missed that episode on Jukwaa. Is there a link?
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Post by job on Jun 28, 2012 22:04:02 GMT 3
There’s a subtle but relentless effort to veer this thread off the original debate. This thread was about three particular vernacular songs that the NCIC is currently “investigating”. The National Cohesion boss told the public he was awaiting a “certified” Kikuyu translator to decode three disturbing songs; Uhuru ni Witu (Uhuru is Ours) – Kamande wa Kioi, Hague Bound – Muigai Wa Njoroge and Muhiko and Mwaka wa hiti (The year of the hyena) – Demathew.
If the songs are found to violate the National Cohesion Law, the musicians should face appropriate punishment.
Ok, away from the title - back to the professional detractors, false-equivalency theorists, shameless apologists, disingenuous theorists, …to the lets-just-forget-this-sisi-wote-wabaya rhythm…keep unmasking yourselves! I'll be back shortly. Don't say I didn't warn you. Keep eyes open JUKWAA.
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Post by b6k on Jun 28, 2012 22:30:11 GMT 3
[2]This is the benga equivalent of Animal Farm by george orwell, you silly Kenyans, a masterpiece in allegory and oral story telling with popular musical accompaniment. Kenyan politics is merely one prism. Tanzanian politics another. Local luo politics another. And then, that it is an allegory concerning contradictions only within Luo society itself as a whole, is beyond the scope of this condemnation! Suddenly what had looked a clear case of ethnic slur against kikuyus, bim en bim, appeared so multi-faceted that, to be high brow about it, the limited comprador consciousness which thinks the only interpretation is that of their class, revealed its complete unpreparedness to engage in a bit of thought out dialogue. Owino, to be fair said: kawe kaka wiyi iwuon lokoni godo. An bende awere kaka chunya okelona godo. An en an, to in in in! Interpret it according to your own mind. I sang it according to how my heart brought it. I is me, you are you! I thought the song had an obvious anti-gikuyu undertone, but I still argued for its place in the classics of witty benga. And I forced my luo students to write papers on it and discuss with the non luos. An eye-opener. Be that as it may, Jakaswanga, the fact remains it is a work of hate as witty as it may seem. Back in my university days I did take an English course in which we did nothing but watch movies & then write about them. Usually the old black & white classics (Casablanca et al.). We would then analyze them as the course was rightfully called, Motion Picrture as Literature. So let's analyze your classic benga tune. Like Animal Farm you have to analyze it with the time in history when it was written in mind. As the Luo nation was reeling from the effects of Kibaki's trashing of the MOU when it was released in 2003, it's target is crystal clear. The monkeys who were busy killing off baboons before they were ushered into power with the assistance of the ploughing tractor are equally knowable if the historical context is kept in mind. Dehumanizing the "enemy" is a common phenomena in times of conflict. That's why you get the "bad guys" in different wars being referred to as the Jerry's (or the Huns), Gooks, Ragheads, etc. So when Misiani refers to outsiders as baboons or monkeys, it's clear to the IN group that they, being human, are above the sub-human OUT group (even though they happen to be ruled by them). The main criticism of the UK songs is that they do not even attempt to hide whom they are talking about behind poetry or allegory, & even go as far as using some of UK's quotes within the song. Your breaking down of the one tune going from seeking vengeance & blood to settling for forgiveness seems valid although you must keep in mind not all who listen to tales heed the moral of the story. Unlike Lincoln, I still maintain if Misiani could've been arrested for his song, then the latter day Kikuyu minstrels also deserve some time behind bars. Same government....same crime....Anyway as the Tractor still ploughs on, let us hope it will bring hope to the land someday ;D Sorry Job. Try another tactic. You are not the only one on Jukwaa who can quote yourself. Read the bold face. Thread issue was addressed ages ago by yours truly. Supporting others who see the hypocrisy on the board is not necessarily derailing it, is it now?
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Post by job on Jun 28, 2012 22:58:45 GMT 3
Unlike Lincoln, I still maintain if Misiani could've been arrested for his song, then the latter day Kikuyu minstrels also deserve some time behind bars. Same government....same crime.... bobby6killer,Apologies (to you) are in order. I frankly missed that! You indeed addressed the subject matter. That's exactly the point. If Misiani went in jail for the Bim en Bim song (which I too noted was dehumanizing), why not these three? I'll tweak my previous post.
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Post by b6k on Jun 29, 2012 0:34:39 GMT 3
Unlike Lincoln, I still maintain if Misiani could've been arrested for his song, then the latter day Kikuyu minstrels also deserve some time behind bars. Same government....same crime.... bobby6killer,Apologies (to you) are in order. I frankly missed that! You indeed addressed the subject matter. That's exactly the point. If Misiani went in jail for the Bim en Bim song (which I too noted was dehumanizing), why not these three? I'll tweak my previous post. Job, no worries. Until we have consistency in KE (& also on Jukwaa I hope) then we are going nowhere. Equal time, for equal crime. I wish you wouldn't tweak your post though. Better to leave it as it played out ;D
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Post by job on Jun 29, 2012 0:41:37 GMT 3
Under the National Cohesion and Integration Commission Act (2008)- on ethnic contempt: 62. (1) Any person who utters words intended to incite feelings of contempt, hatred, hostility, violence or discrimination against any person, group or community on the basis of ethnicity or race, commits an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding one million shillings, or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years, or both.
(2) A newspaper, radio station or media enterprise that publishes the utterances referred to in subsection (1) commits an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding one million shillings.
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Post by Fahari on Jun 29, 2012 1:44:24 GMT 3
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Post by job on Jun 29, 2012 2:14:34 GMT 3
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Post by einstein on Jun 29, 2012 6:04:25 GMT 3
Fahari, LOL! I wonder how you will arrange that favourite drink to land in my inbox. I have been very much around right here on Jukwaa. I just consciously decided to become a "lurker" rather than a contributor for a while. I noted the "deathly silence" which is pretty much the norm on Jukwaa. There is a group here who believe ALL wrongs only emanate from one side on some sort of one way street. Equally, all solutions or reforms can only come from their side of the political spectrum. Nothing could be further from the truth. To borrow from Misiani's symbolism but applying it to these folks, a baboon does not see it's own backside but heartily laughs at it's neighbors. Someone put it very well on another thread. As long as we rely on the current crop of politicians be prepared for nothing but disappointment & heartache. They will continue to play the same old monkey games in a different forest. Just look at how the new constitution is being decimated piece by piece. Let the Tractor sputter along.... If we are ever going to break the cycle of hate we all need to admit we all have short comings & prejudices that naturally come out in our respective works of art & song. Unless we can call them out for what they are, the cycle will only repeat itself when conditions allow. Jakaswanga, I forgot to address you on one point. I did have another handle on Jukwaa. My original handle, Bobby6killer, which for some reason never went active & by now has been swept off the board following OO's spring cleaning. So if you don't hear from b6k, assume I am lurking ;D B6K You are so right, we seem to have a "see no evil hear no evil" attitude towards "our own" which can be very exasperating. Its a pity you have taken on lurker status since we have very few balanced contributors to this forum, jukwaa is now threatening to become an echo chamber of one particular line of thought.That drink can be in boxed easy, technology will facilitate ...pick your poison then amazon or mama mikes will do the rest.... you may in box me on that one. I am yet to get over that "conspiracy of silence" lakini asante sana you made my day!! Fahari my sister,I just noticed that you are in a dearth of well balanced contributions on this board viz-a-viz the political divide in Kenya. Right? I have a suggestion for you which might just help you to address this urgent issue once and for all times! Just like our politicians, I strongly believe that you have many like-minded friends of your own. Your friends also have many like-minded friends of their own, and the friends of your friends likewise. Please, feel free to invite all of them to join Jukwaa en mass so that we can have a board in equilibrium! Rest assured, OO is NEVER discriminatory in the admission of new members! If you do not believe me, please feel free to contact OO personally. One caution though, please avoid inviting people exhibiting the characters of one NjugunaJohn. They will never survive it here on Jukwaa. If you implement the above, then I'm sure this will be the last time I hear of such a complaint from yourself. What do you think about that?
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