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Post by nalinali on Jul 17, 2012 20:25:19 GMT 3
This is a new low....very low for Miguna. Reading this hasty and incoherent word-salad (above) is troubling. Miguna has departed from his exemplary writing, resorting to rushed expression of hate and overt racist & sexist remarks. Miguna should work on controlling his emotions and managing anger. It can't be cool and dandy sending fierce verbal and literary jabs at targets - yet unable to withstand rebuttals and criticism. For a former public official who loves hogging the limelight, he must develop thick skin and take criticism well. After all, he just wrote a book - he should expect reviews and critiques. They have not even started. Miguna's KTN interview aired yesterday (Monday)- where he treated his interviewer with serious contempt - left a lot to desire. I'm now seeing the same pattern here with Sarah Elderkin. I'm witnessing (in Miguna) the grandeur Sarah wrote about. The latter was among few people Miguna was counting to agree (with him) regarding Raila's contradictions. But lo! We are probably dealing with two people who probably interacted a lot yet never on the same planet. If only Miguna stuck to Sarah's compelling substance...rather than her personal past and all the nasty racist stuff... That's crap Miguna. I read Sarah's article and I agree with some stuff she says and will challenge her on some other stuff. But for you to start dismissing her in the way you've done above is actually just letting yourself down more than you've already done. You need to stop and I know that it's hard when there is a MOB on the loose against you; who are being as unprincipled as you have demonstrated here Only idiots refer to those they disagree with a MOB. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2012 20:44:46 GMT 3
That's crap Miguna. I read Sarah's article and I agree with some stuff she says and will challenge her on some other stuff. But for you to start dismissing her in the way you've done above is actually just letting yourself down more than you've already done. You need to stop and I know that it's hard when there is a MOB on the loose against you; who are being as unprincipled as you have demonstrated here Only idiots refer to those they disagree with a MOB. Yes I'm an idiot. You're not happy that this little B from MK doesn't support the mob justice being metted out on miguna now. You can't possibly see that I too call miguna on his crap. You're unhappy that I'm calling the people that you worship out on theirs. I don't mind a new title. Idiot! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2012 21:10:22 GMT 3
That's crap Miguna. I read Sarah's article and I agree with some stuff she says and will challenge her on some other stuff. But for you to start dismissing her in the way you've done above is actually just letting yourself down more than you've already done. You need to stop and I know that it's hard when there is a MOB on the loose against you; who are being as unprincipled as you have demonstrated here who are these in the MOB that you mention please name names so that jukwaarist being labaled as in Mobs to be able to answer you accusations.. If I'm of those being labeled in the said Mob and unprincipled then I beg to differ.. MIGUNA MUST ANSWERABLE TO ALL THE ALLEGATIONS HE SPEWED OUT IN HIS BOOK he must produce proof.. especially in regards to the PEV information he is withholding so he claims.. Kenyans must demand he come clean.. if indeed I'm in the mob then where exactly do you place yourself? I'm not here to throw labels at you? you have a choice or right to label yourself but that right does not extend to labeling others here on Jukwaa as in mobs or unprincipled that is taking it too far ..enuff said. has to answer for his transgressions. Those accusing him of being the devil incarnate must also answer for theirs. Obviously, miguna will have to substantiate his claims around PEV to someone. It's probably not safe for him to do that in Kenya. But i still stand by my claim that most of you are acting like a Mob. Are you in the mob that you feel so defensive? Anyways, kamalet gave us the word mob to describe what most of you are doing. Imagine me and kamalet agreeing on something. |
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 17, 2012 23:50:05 GMT 3
who are these in the MOB that you mention please name names so that jukwaarist being labaled as in Mobs to be able to answer you accusations.. If I'm of those being labeled in the said Mob and unprincipled then I beg to differ.. MIGUNA MUST ANSWERABLE TO ALL THE ALLEGATIONS HE SPEWED OUT IN HIS BOOK he must produce proof.. especially in regards to the PEV information he is withholding so he claims.. Kenyans must demand he come clean.. if indeed I'm in the mob then where exactly do you place yourself? I'm not here to throw labels at you? you have a choice or right to label yourself but that right does not extend to labeling others here on Jukwaa as in mobs or unprincipled that is taking it too far ..enuff said. has to answer for his transgressions. Those accusing him of being the devil incarnate must also answer for theirs. Obviously, miguna will have to substantiate his claims around PEV to someone. It's probably not safe for him to do that in Kenya. But i still stand by my claim that most of you are acting like a Mob. Are you in the mob that you feel so defensive? Anyways, kamalet gave us the word mob to describe what most of you are doing. Imagine me and kamalet agreeing on something. You can protect and defend Miguna all the way to his bank Kathure, but trying to label people with comments like uncivilized or mob is not acceptable.. I 'm not on the defense I'm just asking politely not to label me for going after Miguna after all the allegations he has made.. unless you Kathure know something Kenyans don't know about Miguna that you are fighting hard to protect? let me remind you that many Kenyans lost their loved ones during the PEV.. who was there to protect them? DID THEY HAVE THE MONEY OR DUAL CITIZENSHIP TO JUMP ON A FLIGHT TO SAFETY? HELL NO!! so let not go there.. ati miguna had to flee for his own safety? then he shouldn't have opened his big mouth making allegations that he can't substantiate, withholding informing that can shade light on PEV is a very serious matter.. LET MIGUNA STAND UP AND SHOW KENYANS PROOF OF HS ALLEGATIONS OR ELSE LET HIM FACE THE LAW... AND THE WRATH OF KENYANS.. especially those that lost their loved ones during PEV! I guess for you Miguna is above the law.. ama! |
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Post by phil on Jul 18, 2012 1:28:19 GMT 3
Kamale Your digging Jukwaa archives for when people were defending Miguna is as IRRELEVANT as ever and you know it. You just want to derail this thread seeing that Miguna's false peeling is already indefensible and that more rebuttals are on the way. Phil Exactly!! What is the relevance of Miguna's "rape case" to the book he wrote? Consistency?? This was about justice, right Mr. Kamalet? Or perhaps it was about the false notion of insinuating YOU are a Permanent Secretary and going ahead to make a door sign to that effect - maybe even printing visiting cards in River Road. Or maybe it was to allege YOU are the Prime Minister’s most trusted or most senior aide. Or it was to claim you paid the PM's travel expenses to North America years back when someone else did that and has receipts to prove it. Do you want to ignore the fact that Miguna is here chest thumping about justice and human rights when majority of his subordinate staff are suffering gross abuse from an employer who has a slave driver mentality, to the point one employee submitted an official complaint to KNCHR? So much about a quest for justice! Seems to me this was all about emotional outbursts and peeling of cheque leafs! Bure kabisa wewe na huyo JaNyando wenu. |
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Post by tnk on Jul 18, 2012 1:35:14 GMT 3
i really hope that there is no need for a new thread on this but this is a direct question to anyone of you three (OO, nalinali, podp), that have read miguna's book cover to cover
i cannot believe that the entire account of miguna and his experience at the PMs office is a whining account
is there in that book, evidence and pointers to success stories. e.g establishment or achievement of some major milestone. and how the public is benefiting from it.
the man was in office for sometime (6 years by his account and 3 years by sarah's account) and surely he must have left a mark other than the bruise on isaac ruto's neck. is there anything in his book about his staff, the PMs staff or anyone else that we can point at and say that was miguna's initiative?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2012 1:43:19 GMT 3
reporter911Miguna has to answer for his transgressions. Those accusing him of being the devil incarnate must also answer for theirs. Obviously, miguna will have to substantiate his claims around PEV to someone. It's probably not safe for him to do that in Kenya. But i still stand by my claim that most of you are acting like a Mob. Are you in the mob that you feel so defensive? Anyways, kamalet gave us the word mob to describe what most of you are doing. Imagine me and kamalet agreeing on something. You can protect and defend Miguna all the way to his bank Kathure, but trying to label people with comments like uncivilized or mob is not acceptable.. I 'm not on the defense I'm just asking politely not to label me for going after Miguna after all the allegations he has made.. unless you Kathure know something Kenyans don't know about Miguna that you are fighting hard to protect? let me remind you that many Kenyans lost their loved ones during the PEV.. who was there to protect them? DID THEY HAVE THE MONEY OR DUAL CITIZENSHIP TO JUMP ON A FLIGHT TO SAFETY? HELL NO!! so let not go there.. ati miguna had to flee for his own safety? then he shouldn't have opened his big mouth making allegations that he can't substantiate, withholding informing that can shade light on PEV is a very serious matter.. LET MIGUNA STAND UP AND SHOW KENYANS PROOF OF HS ALLEGATIONS OR ELSE LET HIM FACE THE LAW... AND THE WRATH OF KENYANS.. especially those that lost their loved ones during PEV! I guess for you Miguna is above the law.. ama! cut it out. Stop repeating the same things you've said all day. we already heard you on PEV. And just so you might understand I also said miguna has to explain those claims. And yes Kenya wouldn't be a safe place for him to do that. You decided that I'd used the word mob to describe you where I hadn't until you accused me of using it. I actually think it appropriate so I took it up to describe what some folks here are doing. You seem bent on getting a response from me because now you've also decided that I used the word uncivilized when I have not although it may very well be suitable. Are you spoiling for a fight with me madam? The last time you claimed that "people" had divulged your personal information that you shared in confidence. I don't operate like that but perhaps you do. I never even used to read your postings until recently and you know why. If you want to go public two can play the game. Ati defending and following miguna to the bank. That is just silly. I'm not looking for any contracts or to make any $$ from an ODM government are you? Just asking. |
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 18, 2012 4:34:44 GMT 3
You can protect and defend Miguna all the way to his bank Kathure, but trying to label people with comments like uncivilized or mob is not acceptable.. I 'm not on the defense I'm just asking politely not to label me for going after Miguna after all the allegations he has made.. unless you Kathure know something Kenyans don't know about Miguna that you are fighting hard to protect? let me remind you that many Kenyans lost their loved ones during the PEV.. who was there to protect them? DID THEY HAVE THE MONEY OR DUAL CITIZENSHIP TO JUMP ON A FLIGHT TO SAFETY? HELL NO!! so let not go there.. ati miguna had to flee for his own safety? then he shouldn't have opened his big mouth making allegations that he can't substantiate, withholding informing that can shade light on PEV is a very serious matter.. LET MIGUNA STAND UP AND SHOW KENYANS PROOF OF HS ALLEGATIONS OR ELSE LET HIM FACE THE LAW... AND THE WRATH OF KENYANS.. especially those that lost their loved ones during PEV! I guess for you Miguna is above the law.. ama! cut it out. Stop repeating the same things you've said all day. we already heard you on PEV. And just so you might understand I also said miguna has to explain those claims. And yes Kenya wouldn't be a safe place for him to do that. You decided that I'd used the word mob to describe you where I hadn't until you accused me of using it. I actually think it appropriate so I took it up to describe what some folks here are doing. You seem bent on getting a response from me because now you've also decided that I used the word uncivilized when I have not although it may very well be suitable. Are you spoiling for a fight with me madam? The last time you claimed that "people" had divulged your personal information that you shared in confidence. I don't operate like that but perhaps you do. I never even used to read your postings until recently and you know why. If you want to go public two can play the game. Ati defending and following miguna to the bank. That is just silly. I'm not looking for any contracts or to make any $$ from an ODM government are you? Just asking. Madam I guess sharing information is actually weird subject from you? I don't recall naming names.. did you share information? I really don't care have your day throw it at me.. won't bother me or affect me in any way or form as for talking about mobs that is insulting as for calling me madam? that is very telling isn't it.. as for defending Miguna only you can answer that "BIG" question so you want to go there? and if you want to play public I'm ready no worries.. So go for it.. unless you want to boot me out from Jukwaa.. you are a moderator right!! ama.. I can repeat a million times what miguna wrote in his book or said during his interviews who are you to tell me to stop mentioning PEV? alah if it didn't affect you or your family members seriously or the wanaichi's who lost their life's then move on and stop reading my posts because I will keep reminding Miguna to stop withholding information that might be critical to the ICC case and those victims who were affected.. why does it bother you? alah!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2012 4:57:06 GMT 3
reporter911cut it out. Stop repeating the same things you've said all day. we already heard you on PEV. And just so you might understand I also said miguna has to explain those claims. And yes Kenya wouldn't be a safe place for him to do that. You decided that I'd used the word mob to describe you where I hadn't until you accused me of using it. I actually think it appropriate so I took it up to describe what some folks here are doing. You seem bent on getting a response from me because now you've also decided that I used the word uncivilized when I have not although it may very well be suitable. Are you spoiling for a fight with me madam? The last time you claimed that "people" had divulged your personal information that you shared in confidence. I don't operate like that but perhaps you do. I never even used to read your postings until recently and you know why. If you want to go public two can play the game. Ati defending and following miguna to the bank. That is just silly. I'm not looking for any contracts or to make any $$ from an ODM government are you? Just asking. Madam I guess sharing information is actually weird subject from you? I don't recall naming names.. did you share information? I really don't care have your day throw it at me.. won't bother me or affect me in any way or form as for talking about mobs that is insulting as for calling me madam? that is very telling isn't it.. as for defending Miguna only you can answer that "BIG" question so you want to go there? and if you want to play public I'm ready no worries.. So go for it.. unless you want to boot me out from Jukwaa.. you are a moderator right!! ama.. I can repeat a million times what miguna wrote in his book or said during his interviews who are you to tell me to stop mentioning PEV? alah if it didn't affect you or your family members seriously or the wanaichi's who lost their life's then move on and stop reading my posts because I will keep reminding Miguna to stop withholding information that might be critical to the ICC case and those victims who were affected.. why does it bother you? alah!!! |
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Post by okhunyanye on Jul 18, 2012 4:58:40 GMT 3
groups.yahoo.com/group/africa-oped/message/52787In his current rebuttal to Sarah Elderkin, miguna heavily lifts from a rebuttal to the same lady by one, Obienga@yahoogroups.com (link attached) a couple of months ago. In that piece, Sarah Elderkin had questioned the professionalism and journalistic integrity of Jeff Koinange. Could Obienga be his pseudonym or is he just lifting someone's work?
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 18, 2012 4:59:39 GMT 3
Madam I guess sharing information is actually weird subject from you? I don't recall naming names.. did you share information? I really don't care have your day throw it at me.. won't bother me or affect me in any way or form as for talking about mobs that is insulting as for calling me madam? that is very telling isn't it.. as for defending Miguna only you can answer that "BIG" question so you want to go there? and if you want to play public I'm ready no worries.. So go for it.. unless you want to boot me out from Jukwaa.. you are a moderator right!! ama.. I can repeat a million times what miguna wrote in his book or said during his interviews who are you to tell me to stop mentioning PEV? alah if it didn't affect you or your family members seriously or the wanaichi's who lost their life's then move on and stop reading my posts because I will keep reminding Miguna to stop withholding information that might be critical to the ICC case and those victims who were affected.. why does it bother you? alah!!! ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by tnk on Jul 18, 2012 6:34:37 GMT 3
groups.yahoo.com/group/africa-oped/message/52787In his current rebuttal to Sarah Elderkin, miguna heavily lifts from a rebuttal to the same lady by one, Obienga@yahoogroups.com (link attached) a couple of months ago. In that piece, Sarah Elderkin had questioned the professionalism and journalistic integrity of Jeff Koinange. Could Obienga be his pseudonym or is he just lifting someone's work? no lifting there, its word for word. a canned response so to speak either obieng = miguna or else someone impersonated miguna and responded |
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Post by einstein on Jul 18, 2012 7:10:57 GMT 3
groups.yahoo.com/group/africa-oped/message/52787In his current rebuttal to Sarah Elderkin, miguna heavily lifts from a rebuttal to the same lady by one, Obienga@yahoogroups.com (link attached) a couple of months ago. In that piece, Sarah Elderkin had questioned the professionalism and journalistic integrity of Jeff Koinange. Could Obienga be his pseudonym or is he just lifting someone's work? How pathetic of MM the intellectual!! Simply lifting other folks' stuff to racially abuse a fellow Kenyan going by the name Ms. Elderkin?? Ms Elderkin is a Kenyan with ALL rights and duties as stipulated in our brand new constitution which is an envy of the whole world!! OO, you cannot be part and parcel of this! But if you are, I SHALL be rebelling against you too very soon!!! Don't say I NEVER warned you!! I feel very sick to the very core of my being and OO does not want to be a part of the cause of my sickness!! |
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Post by tnk on Jul 18, 2012 7:17:28 GMT 3
groups.yahoo.com/group/africa-oped/message/52787In his current rebuttal to Sarah Elderkin, miguna heavily lifts from a rebuttal to the same lady by one, Obienga@yahoogroups.com (link attached) a couple of months ago. In that piece, Sarah Elderkin had questioned the professionalism and journalistic integrity of Jeff Koinange. Could Obienga be his pseudonym or is he just lifting someone's work? How pathetic of MM the intellectual!! Simply lifting other folks' stuff to racially abuse a fellow Kenyan going by the name Ms. Elderkin?? Ms Elderkin is a Kenyan with ALL rights and duties as stipulated in our brand new constitution which is an envy of the whole world!! OO, you cannot be part of this! But if you are, I SHALL be rebelling against you too very soon!!! Don't say I NEVER warned you!! I feel very sick to the very core of my being and OO does not want to be a part of the cause of my sickness!!einstein check your mail |
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Post by b6k on Jul 18, 2012 8:15:17 GMT 3
groups.yahoo.com/group/africa-oped/message/52787In his current rebuttal to Sarah Elderkin, miguna heavily lifts from a rebuttal to the same lady by one, Obienga@yahoogroups.com (link attached) a couple of months ago. In that piece, Sarah Elderkin had questioned the professionalism and journalistic integrity of Jeff Koinange. Could Obienga be his pseudonym or is he just lifting someone's work? no lifting there, its word for word. a canned response so to speak either obieng = miguna or else someone impersonated miguna and responded Why would Obieng Miguna embellish the race angle in his response to Elderkin & make the February piece a lot more controversial than it already was? It could very well be a copy paste job with a hint of identity theft. Suffice it to say, MM is not a very popular figure in some circles given his kiss & tell spiel so there is a possibility someone did this to tarnish his name....further. I guess time will tell.... Remember this post from OO last November? jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6078 |
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Post by einstein on Jul 18, 2012 9:29:42 GMT 3
no lifting there, its word for word. a canned response so to speak either obieng = miguna or else someone impersonated miguna and responded Why would Obieng Miguna embellish the race angle in his response to Elderkin & make the February piece a lot more controversial than it already was? It could very well be a copy paste job with a hint of identity theft. Suffice it to say, MM is not a very popular figure in some circles given his kiss & tell spiel so there is a possibility someone did this to tarnish his name....further. I guess time will tell.... Remember this post from OO last November? jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6078This stuff has been with us here on Jukwaa for at least a day and MM has not disowned it, yet MM has been updating us on twitter and facebook ever since he left the country and neither has OO found it necessary to disown this despicable article from the Standard Newspaper!! If it is a case of a stolen identity, then some folks are being very careless both on this board and outside of it!! |
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 18, 2012 10:41:09 GMT 3
Why would Obieng Miguna embellish the race angle in his response to Elderkin & make the February piece a lot more controversial than it already was? It could very well be a copy paste job with a hint of identity theft. Suffice it to say, MM is not a very popular figure in some circles given his kiss & tell spiel so there is a possibility someone did this to tarnish his name....further. I guess time will tell.... Remember this post from OO last November? jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6078This stuff has been with us here on Jukwaa for at least a day and MM has not disowned it, yet MM has been updating us on twitter and facebook ever since he left the country and neither has OO found it necessary to disown this despicable article from the Standard Newspaper!! If it is a case of a stolen identity, then some folks are being very careless both on this board and outside of it!! MAYBE THE FALSE FLAG BACKFIRED.. and if indeed the standard can't follow it up.. someone hacked in or what.. ;D |
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Post by phil on Jul 18, 2012 14:06:30 GMT 3
This article is published in the Daily Nation of 18th July 2012. FRIENDSHIPS DESTROYED TO SETTLE SCORES
Journalist SARAH ELDERKIN who serves as a media consultant for the Orange Democractic Movement and has been close to Prime Minister Raila Odinga responds to Miguna Miguna’s controversial book Peeling Back The Mask in the second of a three-part series which started yesterday.
In writing Peeling the Mask, Miguna Miguna has ensured that his place in society will never be the same again. Raila Odinga, the target of his book will easily weather the storm of unsupported allegations, speculation and prattle.
Miguna may not. He has nailed his colours to the most and exposed himself in a way that he feels, in his determined wrong-headedness, will enhance his reputation and endear him to people. Unfortunately he is like to find the opposite is true.
The public unraveling of someone who, in other circumstances, we could admire, is not a pleasant spectacle. And in the process of trying to destroy Raila Odinga, Miguna has also destroyed many valuable friendships. In the final chapter of his book, Miguna lauds himself and his integrity and says, “My word is my bond.” Miguna has brutally gone back on his word to an number of friends who offered him outstanding support.
One of these is Patrick Quarcoo, CEO of the Radio Africa Group, who is revealed in Miguna’s book as the “third man” in the discussion Miguna had Raila Odinga, when the latter attempted to offer an olive branch after Miguna’s suspension from his office.
The identity of the “third man” was for months the subject of intense speculation and wild conjecture, especially in internet forums. Nobody guessed right. Quarcoo’s identity was unknown for a reason. In trying to intercede in Miguna’s case, he had been acting for a friend in a private capacity. He was trying to mediate in a difficult situation, for the benefit of everyone, but particularly for the benefit of Miguna. The last thing Quarcoo was seeking was personal publicity, and he expected confidentiality. That was the agreement. But hey ho, what do you know. Miguna strikes again!
The meeting between Prime Minister and Miguna at the Nairobi Serena Hotel on December 27 last year came as a result of appeals by Quarcoo on Miguna’s behalf to the Prime Minister in the preceding days. These appeals were, in fact, the culmination of similar appeals from other people.
I am myself (now) on record as having sent the PM a sharply worded memo criticising the mode of Miguna’s suspension. I haven’t changed my mind on that. It was clumsily handled and my concern primarily the negative publicity it would generate for the PM’s office. But I also had much concern for Miguna as a family man with expenses to meet and children to care for. Fair treatment for everyone is what we aim for. Other people had appealed to the PM on similar humanitarian grounds. Much as we could understand the total frustration surrounding Miguna’s uncontrollable behaviour in office, we felt there were better ways of going about this.
Quarcoo hated to see what was happening and decided to do what he could about it. But as he told me this week, the impression Miguna has given in his book that the PM was pursuing Miguna and virtually begging him to return is completely wrong. Quarcoo himself says the PM responded to his own appeals that the PM meet Miguna, and that it was never the case that the PM initiated the discussion.
Magnanimous Attitude
The impetus cam from Quarcoo’s appeal on Miguna’s behalf, as Miguna’s friend, that the PM reconsider his decision. The PM eventually agreed to do what he felt he could do in the circumstances. Quarcoo says Miguna “makes out the PM was chasing him for settlement” and says there was nothing of the kind. Quarcoo describes the PM’s attitude as “magnanimous”. That is the key thing, he says: “The PM was being decent and loyal by listening.”
Miguna in the book paints the meeting as adversarial, with an uncomfortable PM behaving in what can only be inferred from Miguna’s description as a furtive manner. Quarcoo says that he himself has a completely different perspective of what transpired. He say the PM was very open, very polite, very considerate and treated Miguna with much respect.
The PM was also frank. He said there were significant issues surrounding Miguna’s record in service and his relations with his colleagues. As such, returning Miguna to the same job would probably not be the wisest course. However, he was prepared to offer Miguna alternative employment.
The PM suggested a post that Miguna calls in his book ‘Prime Minister’s Adviser for Strategic Research, Speech-writing, new media, public policy and rapid response.’ It sounds right up Miguna’s street (though I must say I shudder when I envisage what the reality reality might have been).
Miguna was not (contrary to his claim in the book) on a “three-year contract”. Miguna had refused to sign his contract. He had been on a month-to-month arrangement and therefore had no contract. Nevertheless, the Prime Minister was prepared to bend over backwards to try to accommodate him.
But Miguna took the PM’s offer as nothing less than an insult, and Miguna’s description of the meeting sheds light on why. He had something quite different in mind for himself. On page 538, he reveals his desire for a “significant position” for which he feels he is “impeccably qualified” (he doesn’t specify how).
“Why didn’t [Raila] consider my candidature for the attorney-general, director of public prosecutions, anti-corruption commission or any of the newly established constitutional implementations organs? he asks. He goes on to laud his own “credentials, training, tested skills, integrity, passion and commitment” as superior to the characteristics of other people appointed by the PM. This perhaps ties in with Miguna’s expressed belief that he was firmly in line to succeed Raila Odinga as leader of the Luo community.
Miguna also thought, apparently, that he had Raila Odinga in a corner. Indeed, of all Raila Odinga’s problems, writes Miguna, “I strongly believe that he realised that I ranked higher than Ruto and Uhuru.”
Unable to play an appropriate part in a two-way meeting that required a step back and compromise on both sides, Miguna read intrigue and conspiracy in practically every word the PM uttered (even if it was only “Hmmm”). It was a no win situation and, in Miguna’s eye, the Pm left the meeting without even a handshake. Quarcoo describes this as “simply ridiculous”. He says the meeting began, proceeded and ended extremely cordially on the PM’s part, and he himself was very grateful to him for making time to try and find a way forward.
Miguna tries to cast further aspersions on the PM over the cost of the private room Quarcoo had arranged for the meeting. “When the waiter came in with the bill”, he writes, “I suddenly realised Raila had left us with an [sic] Sh11,000 debt, without even caring that I hadn’t been paid since July 26, 2011.” This is also “ridiculous” says Quarcoo, and highly embarrassing himself. It was Quarcoo who had arranged the meeting and who had asked the PM to come. He was the host.
It was his place to pay for the room, he says, and, regarding Miguna, it was quite simply “none of his business.”
Miguna has made it his business to twist every single scrap of information he can think of to cast the PM in bad light. As far as Miguna is concerned, it is no holds barred, no quarter given and no even unexploited for exaggeration, aspersion, detraction, distortion, fiction, hyperbole and myth.
It might be Miguna’s undoing.
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Tomorrow: Raila and Nepotism
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Post by kamalet on Jul 18, 2012 14:32:58 GMT 3
Why would Obieng Miguna embellish the race angle in his response to Elderkin & make the February piece a lot more controversial than it already was? It could very well be a copy paste job with a hint of identity theft. Suffice it to say, MM is not a very popular figure in some circles given his kiss & tell spiel so there is a possibility someone did this to tarnish his name....further. I guess time will tell.... Remember this post from OO last November? jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6078This stuff has been with us here on Jukwaa for at least a day and MM has not disowned it, yet MM has been updating us on twitter and facebook ever since he left the country and neither has OO found it necessary to disown this despicable article from the Standard Newspaper!! If it is a case of a stolen identity, then some folks are being very careless both on this board and outside of it!! If you read Miguna's press statement, he has denied issuing the statement to the Standard and even indicated that he has never had a facebook account which might point at someone setting Miguna up.... |
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Post by kasuku on Jul 18, 2012 14:38:36 GMT 3
I had to come back and say this:
I Am amazed that you guys really bought it that the standardmedia alleged reply from MM to Endersky was from the real Miguna.
Miguna’s way of communicating to the Kenyan public is very new in Kenya. He is doing all that wazee tells us not to do. He is fearless and a free individual who says what he wants, how he wants, like it or hate it, he doesn’t give a damn, but he would never use such a racist and sexist Language in the public addressing anyone.
Miguna’s way of telling things the way he sees them is quite interesting and unique in Kenya. He talks different, his body language is different and hi mimick is very different from what we are used to. Hypocrisy masks are what we see in every corners of our streets and in every bars, till the beer takes the better part of it and out of frustration with the fake life blows start flying around, just like they have being doing in this forum since Miguna disagreed with Raila.
Three years ago we passed a new constitution. It has everything we had hoped for in order to be a solemnly free country.
Yet I see we still don’t move forward. First of all the society is always busy blaming the government for their own misgives. We have the Children blaming their parents for their own irresponsibility, Parents blaming children for all their trouble and employees blaming their employers for their poorness. We even have people blaming their roots for their poorness- ati I was born poor and thus I can’t help it.
In short everyone blaming everyone or anything for one thing or the other. But you will hardly catch someone blaming themselves for their own failure.
Thus the corruption, impunity, criminality and everything evil on this world that a civilized cultured people shouldn’t do.
The people thursting for MM blood might not be helping Raila at all, but the centrally.
Instead of insulting Miguna or taking part we should sit back and watch the direction of the dust evolving from the book about the man Kenya had put their hope on, to bring prosperity into our country in oder to go forward as we are really tired of doing nothing, but wanting everything at the same time for nothing. Kenyans aren’t shy of working; they just don’t have a working leadership who can motivate them.
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Post by podp on Jul 18, 2012 15:22:01 GMT 3
Kasuku,
You are a gem. You have made my day after a heavy lunch of fresh boiled ngege (fish) and ugali brown.
On Book 4 of MMs Peeling Back the Mask and we are in January 2008. He says 'the opposition was't democratic. In ODM, all major decisions were made in Nairobi between one to four people. Then of course - opposition to what? Up to that point, it was obvious ODM wanted power. It also opposed Kibaki and PNU. But beyond that, what did ODM represent? Clearly, Raila and the rest of the Pentagon saw themselves as an alternative power fulcrum to Kibaki and his cronies. But were they necessarily qualitatively better than Kibaki and his PNU thugs, philosophically, ideologically, intellectually or morally? What was the content of their so called progressive credentials?
Many of the leading lights in both political formations had their names mentioned in mega corruption scandals and impunity cases. Almost all had worked hand in glove with Kenyatta and Moi. Both political formations had their fare share of suspected drug dealers, money launderers and people who had allegedly committed or been complicit in serious human rights abuses....' page 220
So kasuku thank you for making me digest my fish-ugali mixture without abusing anyone. Just asking us to think….think differently not the way we are used of seeing evil in one and goodness in another as if the world is black and white! We need to start from grey and maybe move to goodness or ugliness.
Thank you again. For toothpaste I had ossuga.
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Post by kasuku on Jul 18, 2012 15:40:10 GMT 3
Now you have just left me craving for that lunch. Am in Nairobi next week and will go straight away to that restaurant next to nation house for some good Nyanza food.
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Post by gemagema on Jul 18, 2012 15:45:27 GMT 3
B6K,This stuff has been with us here on Jukwaa for at least a day and MM has not disowned it, yet MM has been updating us on twitter and facebook ever since he left the country and neither has OO found it necessary to disown this despicable article from the Standard Newspaper!! If it is a case of a stolen identity, then some folks are being very careless both on this board and outside of it!! If you read Miguna's press statement, he has denied issuing the statement to the Standard and even indicated that he has never had a facebook account which might point at someone setting Miguna up.... And you believe him? There is no way of proving whether it is Miguna or his double? |
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Post by reporter911 on Jul 18, 2012 15:54:45 GMT 3
This article is published in the Daily Nation of 18th July 2012. FRIENDSHIPS DESTROYED TO SETTLE SCORES
Journalist SARAH ELDERKIN who serves as a media consultant for the Orange Democractic Movement and has been close to Prime Minister Raila Odinga responds to Miguna Miguna’s controversial book Peeling Back The Mask in the second of a three-part series which started yesterday.
In writing Peeling the Mask, Miguna Miguna has ensured that his place in society will never be the same again. Raila Odinga, the target of his book will easily weather the storm of unsupported allegations, speculation and prattle.
Miguna may not. He has nailed his colours to the most and exposed himself in a way that he feels, in his determined wrong-headedness, will enhance his reputation and endear him to people. Unfortunately he is like to find the opposite is true.
The public unraveling of someone who, in other circumstances, we could admire, is not a pleasant spectacle. And in the process of trying to destroy Raila Odinga, Miguna has also destroyed many valuable friendships. In the final chapter of his book, Miguna lauds himself and his integrity and says, “My word is my bond.” Miguna has brutally gone back on his word to an number of friends who offered him outstanding support.
One of these is Patrick Quarcoo, CEO of the Radio Africa Group, who is revealed in Miguna’s book as the “third man” in the discussion Miguna had Raila Odinga, when the latter attempted to offer an olive branch after Miguna’s suspension from his office.
The identity of the “third man” was for months the subject of intense speculation and wild conjecture, especially in internet forums. Nobody guessed right. Quarcoo’s identity was unknown for a reason. In trying to intercede in Miguna’s case, he had been acting for a friend in a private capacity. He was trying to mediate in a difficult situation, for the benefit of everyone, but particularly for the benefit of Miguna. The last thing Quarcoo was seeking was personal publicity, and he expected confidentiality. That was the agreement. But hey ho, what do you know. Miguna strikes again!
The meeting between Prime Minister and Miguna at the Nairobi Serena Hotel on December 27 last year came as a result of appeals by Quarcoo on Miguna’s behalf to the Prime Minister in the preceding days. These appeals were, in fact, the culmination of similar appeals from other people.
I am myself (now) on record as having sent the PM a sharply worded memo criticising the mode of Miguna’s suspension. I haven’t changed my mind on that. It was clumsily handled and my concern primarily the negative publicity it would generate for the PM’s office. But I also had much concern for Miguna as a family man with expenses to meet and children to care for. Fair treatment for everyone is what we aim for. Other people had appealed to the PM on similar humanitarian grounds. Much as we could understand the total frustration surrounding Miguna’s uncontrollable behaviour in office, we felt there were better ways of going about this.
Quarcoo hated to see what was happening and decided to do what he could about it. But as he told me this week, the impression Miguna has given in his book that the PM was pursuing Miguna and virtually begging him to return is completely wrong. Quarcoo himself says the PM responded to his own appeals that the PM meet Miguna, and that it was never the case that the PM initiated the discussion.
Magnanimous Attitude
The impetus cam from Quarcoo’s appeal on Miguna’s behalf, as Miguna’s friend, that the PM reconsider his decision. The PM eventually agreed to do what he felt he could do in the circumstances. Quarcoo says Miguna “makes out the PM was chasing him for settlement” and says there was nothing of the kind. Quarcoo describes the PM’s attitude as “magnanimous”. That is the key thing, he says: “The PM was being decent and loyal by listening.”
Miguna in the book paints the meeting as adversarial, with an uncomfortable PM behaving in what can only be inferred from Miguna’s description as a furtive manner. Quarcoo says that he himself has a completely different perspective of what transpired. He say the PM was very open, very polite, very considerate and treated Miguna with much respect.
The PM was also frank. He said there were significant issues surrounding Miguna’s record in service and his relations with his colleagues. As such, returning Miguna to the same job would probably not be the wisest course. However, he was prepared to offer Miguna alternative employment.
The PM suggested a post that Miguna calls in his book ‘Prime Minister’s Adviser for Strategic Research, Speech-writing, new media, public policy and rapid response.’ It sounds right up Miguna’s street (though I must say I shudder when I envisage what the reality reality might have been).
Miguna was not (contrary to his claim in the book) on a “three-year contract”. Miguna had refused to sign his contract. He had been on a month-to-month arrangement and therefore had no contract. Nevertheless, the Prime Minister was prepared to bend over backwards to try to accommodate him.
But Miguna took the PM’s offer as nothing less than an insult, and Miguna’s description of the meeting sheds light on why. He had something quite different in mind for himself. On page 538, he reveals his desire for a “significant position” for which he feels he is “impeccably qualified” (he doesn’t specify how).
“Why didn’t [Raila] consider my candidature for the attorney-general, director of public prosecutions, anti-corruption commission or any of the newly established constitutional implementations organs? he asks. He goes on to laud his own “credentials, training, tested skills, integrity, passion and commitment” as superior to the characteristics of other people appointed by the PM. This perhaps ties in with Miguna’s expressed belief that he was firmly in line to succeed Raila Odinga as leader of the Luo community.
Miguna also thought, apparently, that he had Raila Odinga in a corner. Indeed, of all Raila Odinga’s problems, writes Miguna, “I strongly believe that he realised that I ranked higher than Ruto and Uhuru.”
Unable to play an appropriate part in a two-way meeting that required a step back and compromise on both sides, Miguna read intrigue and conspiracy in practically every word the PM uttered (even if it was only “Hmmm”). It was a no win situation and, in Miguna’s eye, the Pm left the meeting without even a handshake. Quarcoo describes this as “simply ridiculous”. He says the meeting began, proceeded and ended extremely cordially on the PM’s part, and he himself was very grateful to him for making time to try and find a way forward.
Miguna tries to cast further aspersions on the PM over the cost of the private room Quarcoo had arranged for the meeting. “When the waiter came in with the bill”, he writes, “I suddenly realised Raila had left us with an [sic] Sh11,000 debt, without even caring that I hadn’t been paid since July 26, 2011.” This is also “ridiculous” says Quarcoo, and highly embarrassing himself. It was Quarcoo who had arranged the meeting and who had asked the PM to come. He was the host.
It was his place to pay for the room, he says, and, regarding Miguna, it was quite simply “none of his business.”
Miguna has made it his business to twist every single scrap of information he can think of to cast the PM in bad light. As far as Miguna is concerned, it is no holds barred, no quarter given and no even unexploited for exaggeration, aspersion, detraction, distortion, fiction, hyperbole and myth.
It might be Miguna’s undoing.
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Tomorrow: Raila and Nepotism
LET THE REAL PEELING OF MIGUNA'S MASK CONTINUE.. KENYANS ARE WATCHING CLOSELY... PEV!PEV! LET HIM TELL KENYANS WHY HE WITHHOLD VITAL INFORMATION AND HOW MANY TIMES HE HAS USED IT TO BLACK MAIL POLITICIANS? THIS IS INSANE.. INNOCENT KENYANS LOST THEIR LIFE'S AND TH GUY HOLDS ON TO INFORMATION THAT CAN SHADE FURTHER LIGHT ON WHAT HAPPENED DURING AND AFTER 2007-2008 CLASHES..  |
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Post by kamalet on Jul 18, 2012 16:05:45 GMT 3
EinsteinIf you read Miguna's press statement, he has denied issuing the statement to the Standard and even indicated that he has never had a facebook account which might point at someone setting Miguna up.... And you believe him? There is no way of proving whether it is Miguna or his double? After reading Denis Itumbi article on how the Standard were duped, my suspicion is that fake version is what is in the paper. |
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