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Post by tnk on Aug 5, 2012 5:08:48 GMT 3
in as much as miguna's experience is one that many of us (his peers - probably not "intellectual" ) can identify with, but having been through a similar situation i find sarah's explanation of events not only quite believable but completely credible. i must say from experience and also with deep regret (in the sense of betraying a comrade), that Sarah's testimony is a more true account of what transpired and this is one of those instances in life where people observing the same phenomenon, interpret it in such varying degree that one interpretation is completely contrary to another. the regret here is that crooks use this discrepancy to get away with all manner of crimes including murder. i think miguna should stay true to the real battle. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Aug 5, 2012 6:42:36 GMT 3
in as much as miguna's experience is one that many of us (his peers - probably not "intellectual" ) can identify with, but having been through a similar situation i find sarah's explanation of events not only quite believable but completely credible. i must say from experience and also with deep regret (in the sense of betraying a comrade), that Sarah's testimony is a more true account of what transpired and this is one of those instances in life where people observing the same phenomenon, interpret it in such varying degree that one interpretation is completely contrary to another. the regret here is that crooks use this discrepancy to get away with all manner of crimes including murder. i think miguna should stay true to the real battle. On the contrary, I find Sara not to be any credible, not even by an inch. Her real place and brief is summed up in the following two sentences in the diatribe above: At that stage, I still believed Miguna had a lot to offer, but I was disturbed by his antics and concerned about how it was reflecting on ODM generally. I have to admit that that was part of my motivation in defending him.[/u] To Sarah, everything starts and ends with ODM, no matter how bad, ODM must always be painted in good light. This train of thought is clearly revealed in her sms conversation with Miguna. Whereas Miguna is struggling to contextualize his revelation of the memo by Sarah, an explanation that makes a whole lot of sense especially when one considers what the memo was all about, Sarah is only concerned with Miguna's 'breach of trust' . It has now been made very clear that whereas Miguna is for the people of Kenya, Sarah is for ODM and its image. Make your pick. |
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Post by tnk on Aug 5, 2012 7:10:22 GMT 3
i did, i picked Sarah's explanation of events |
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Post by podp on Aug 5, 2012 21:21:55 GMT 3
RAO had a good kitendawili while at Kibera He said kitendawili Kuna mtu na akili timamu akaamua kuongelea na kutoa nguo akaziweka kando ya mto. Wazimu akaaja akachukua hizo ngua na kuzivaa. Aliekuwa akiogelea kuona wazimu alifanya nini? He continue, wewe ukiona mtu uchi anakimbiza mtu ameavaa nguo utadhani nani wzimu? He concluded kitendawili by saying. Mimi nimeamua nisikimbize mwenda wazimu So RAO damu followers need not read Peeling Back the Mask as it is the work of a mad man! On that note it may be wise to close this debate as the deity has spoken. |
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Post by einstein on Aug 5, 2012 22:32:44 GMT 3
RAO had a good kitendawili while at Kibera He said kitendawili Kuna mtu na akili timamu akaamua kuongelea na kutoa nguo akaziweka kando ya mto. Wazimu akaaja akachukua hizo ngua na kuzivaa. Aliekuwa akiogelea kuona wazimu alifanya nini? He continue, wewe ukiona mtu uchi anakimbiza mtu ameavaa nguo utadhani nani wzimu? He concluded kitendawili by saying. Mimi nimeamua nisikimbize mwenda wazimu So RAO damu followers need not read Peeling Back the Mask as it is the work of a mad man!
On that note it may be wise to close this debate as the deity has spoken. If this was directed at me, then I say thank you very much. You have saved me a lot of time and hence money! And if you think I am a Raila-damu, then by the same token you are Anti-Raila and a Miguna Miguna-damu. How do you like that? Please advise your deity Miguna Miguna next time to pen a factual tome and not a he-said-she-said stuff like he did in Peeling Back His Own Mask. O.k? |
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Post by phil on Aug 5, 2012 23:25:22 GMT 3
RAO had a good kitendawili while at Kibera He said kitendawili Kuna mtu na akili timamu akaamua kuongelea na kutoa nguo akaziweka kando ya mto. Wazimu akaaja akachukua hizo ngua na kuzivaa. Aliekuwa akiogelea kuona wazimu alifanya nini? He continue, wewe ukiona mtu uchi anakimbiza mtu ameavaa nguo utadhani nani wzimu? He concluded kitendawili by saying. Mimi nimeamua nisikimbize mwenda wazimu So RAO damu followers need not read Peeling Back the Mask as it is the work of a mad man! On that note it may be wise to close this debate as the deity has spoken. How exactly does "peeling back the mask" come into today's rally? Care to give evidence? You guys are just idiots. I was at this rally, not a single speaker mentioned those words or uttered the name of the author. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Aug 6, 2012 6:21:01 GMT 3
RAO had a good kitendawili while at Kibera
He said kitendawili
Kuna mtu na akili timamu akaamua kuongelea na kutoa nguo akaziweka kando ya mto. Wazimu akaaja akachukua hizo ngua na kuzivaa. Aliekuwa akiogelea kuona wazimu alifanya nini?
He continue, wewe ukiona mtu uchi anakimbiza mtu ameavaa nguo utadhani nani wzimu?
[/size] He concluded kitendawili by saying. Mimi nimeamua nisikimbize mwenda wazimu So RAO damu followers need not read Peeling Back the Mask as it is the work of a mad man! On that note it may be wise to close this debate as the deity has spoken. [/quote] PodpThat was hilarious. But then, one would want to ask, why would a whole Prime Minister of the republic, the one Kenyans have entrusted with the custody of the country's resources, go bathing in a river with his cloths on the shore (euphemism for conniving with his aids to plunder the country's resources and suffocate the government with his relatives and clans' men)?Is it the fact that (as he confirms with his kitendawili) he has been found naked and wanting that he has ashamedly decided not to answer to Miguna's charges? |
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Post by morimax on Aug 6, 2012 7:55:56 GMT 3
RAO had a good kitendawili while at Kibera He said kitendawili Kuna mtu na akili timamu akaamua kuongelea na kutoa nguo akaziweka kando ya mto. Wazimu akaaja akachukua hizo ngua na kuzivaa. Aliekuwa akiogelea kuona wazimu alifanya nini? He continue, wewe ukiona mtu uchi anakimbiza mtu ameavaa nguo utadhani nani wzimu? He concluded kitendawili by saying. Mimi nimeamua nisikimbize mwenda wazimu So RAO damu followers need not read Peeling Back the Mask as it is the work of a mad man! On that note it may be wise to close this debate as the deity has spoken. How exactly does "peeling back the mask" come into today's rally? Care to give evidence? You guys are just idiots. I was at this rally, not a single speaker mentioned those words or uttered the name of the author. |
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Post by podp on Aug 6, 2012 9:14:59 GMT 3
RAO had a good kitendawili while at Kibera He said kitendawili Kuna mtu na akili timamu akaamua kuongelea na kutoa nguo akaziweka kando ya mto. Wazimu akaaja akachukua hizo ngua na kuzivaa. Aliekuwa akiogelea kuona wazimu alifanya nini? He continue, wewe ukiona mtu uchi anakimbiza mtu ameavaa nguo utadhani nani wzimu? He concluded kitendawili by saying. Mimi nimeamua nisikimbize mwenda wazimu So RAO damu followers need not read Peeling Back the Mask as it is the work of a mad man! On that note it may be wise to close this debate as the deity has spoken. How exactly does "peeling back the mask" come into today's rally? Care to give evidence? You guys are just idiots. I was at this rally, not a single speaker mentioned those words or uttered the name of the author. phil, care to tell us what was just uttered just before the words of RAO to the effect 'mimi nimeamua nisikimbimbize wazimu. Nita tafuta ngua zingine' in the clip supplied by morimax How exactly does "peeling back the mask" come into today's rally? Care to give evidence? You guys are just idiots. I was at this rally, not a single speaker mentioned those words or uttered the name of the author. just curious hope you are my age mate as it is not polite to call anyone 'idiot' |
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Post by kamalet on Aug 6, 2012 9:31:53 GMT 3
How exactly does "peeling back the mask" come into today's rally? Care to give evidence? You guys are just idiots. I was at this rally, not a single speaker mentioned those words or uttered the name of the author. phil, care to tell us what was just uttered just before the words of RAO to the effect 'mimi nimeamua nisikimbimbize wazimu. Nita tafuta ngua zingine' in the clip supplied by morimax just curious hope you are my age mate as it is not polite to call anyone 'idiot' [/quote] PhilPhil it is possible you were at the rally but that does not mean you heard every word. Now that you have been provided with video evidence, I think you owe Jukwaa folk an apology for calling them idiots. Do you think you can come this low? |
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Post by podp on Aug 6, 2012 9:42:27 GMT 3
I avoided commenting on the book until I have had an opportunity to read it. Now that I have laid down the book after going through every page I urge all to do the same before making uninformed comments. I have ended up sympathizing with Miguna Miguna and viewing our PM in a completely different light. :)jeff, great as I also have reached the final part, Peeling Back the Mask. He, MM, has broken the cardinal rule of oral storytelling. Many literature critics would be comfortable if it was hare & tortoise type of tale. What is best coming out is the moral lesson. Ethics and integrity of those around PNU and ODM deities are laid bare implying the tin gods we all admire are beneath our feet! If you have travelled such a journey you can be dissappointed when you meet empty debes along the way; you can get agitated and confused when you meet people who love short cuts, steeling, etc. And do not appreciate industry, diligence and related positive virtues! No, no, no! Not so fast guys. You still gotta tell us exactly what it is that MM wrote about the PM that made you see the light! One liners or two paragraphs like yours above is/are not informative at all. We are talking about a tome with over 500 pages here. Surely, you got more to tell us than your current performance above. Remember, you are still on Jukwaa!! Some of us have not read the book and so we need objective analysis. einstein, in red above you wanted an objective analysis RAO had a good kitendawili while at Kibera He said kitendawili Kuna mtu na akili timamu akaamua kuongelea na kutoa nguo akaziweka kando ya mto. Wazimu akaaja akachukua hizo ngua na kuzivaa. Aliekuwa akiogelea kuona wazimu alifanya nini? He continue, wewe ukiona mtu uchi anakimbiza mtu ameavaa nguo utadhani nani wzimu? He concluded kitendawili by saying. Mimi nimeamua nisikimbize mwenda wazimu So RAO damu followers need not read Peeling Back the Mask as it is the work of a mad man!
On that note it may be wise to close this debate as the deity has spoken. If this was directed at me, then I say thank you very much. You have saved me a lot of time and hence money! And if you think I am a Raila-damu, then by the same token you are Anti-Raila and a Miguna Miguna-damu. How do you like that? Please advise your deity Miguna Miguna next time to pen a factual tome and not a he-said-she-said stuff like he did in Peeling Back His Own Mask. O.k? now you are doing a Hegelian twist! Just so that we are on the same page as regards philosophy. Let me psychoanalyze you for fun. Just to humor myself. We start with a proposal. Hegel said ‘we find in consciousness itself a fundamental hostility towards every other consciousness’ The subject can be posed only in being opposed. You are setting yourself up as the Essential, as opposed to the Other (me), the Inessential, the Object. But the Other (me) consciousness, the other ego, sets up a reciprocal claim! That is your aim which sorry Einstein I will not grant you. You cannot be my Master nor am I willing to be your Slave. I know that a Master and Slave, also, are united by a reciprocal need, in this case economic, which does not liberate the slave. And in your little world RAO and MM are united by a reciprocal need! One to be PORK and the Other to prevent One being PORK. A simplistic world indeed or you find that complex? I assume you are able to follow. We ratchet this up a note higher. Let me politely decline to be the Other i.e. I refuse to be a party to the deal of saying if you are RAO damu I need to be MM damu or PNU damu or even to make you an ally ODM damu. But remember the deity (RAO) has said MM is a Mad Man not Miguna Miguna in the kitendawili. The category of the Other is as primordial as consciousness itself. To you its RAO-MM so by extension you would have Uranus-Zeus (opposing gods in Greek mythology), Sun-Moon (One is a Star the Other just a satellite of any planet rotating around the Star), and Day-Night than it was in the contrasts between Good (RAO in your simplistic world) and Evil (MM in your real and imaginary i.e. dreams worlds), lucky and unlucky auspices, right and left, God (your hope of joining RAO when he goes to Nineveh i.e. becomes PORK) and Lucifer (MM's father and mother and you hope he joined them now). Otherness is a fundamental category of human thought. So be proud you are not the Other but the One. Now that you are the One and since MM is not standing to be PORK why waste your valuable time and energy on a non starter? Just listen to your deity (RAO) and we are home and dry with this debate closed. My conclusion as I humor myself for the new week is 'denial does not represent liberation for those concerned, but rather a flight from reality'. Have a safe flight. |
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Post by phil on Aug 6, 2012 10:22:15 GMT 3
So to you IDIOTS, mwendawazimu can only mean "Miguna" and not anybody else?
Did the PM mention Miguna or his book?
Clutching at straws and trying to distort an otherwise straight forward matter.
I have no apologies. You can draw your own interpretations of the kitendawili, and we can draw ours.
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Post by podp on Aug 6, 2012 11:46:11 GMT 3
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Post by b6k on Aug 6, 2012 13:10:45 GMT 3
SE: Miguna, you gave me a solemn undertaking not to betray something shown to you in strictest confidence. I have never done anything to harm you and have done much to defend you. It doesn’t matter to me that this is exposed. It doesn’t portray me in a bad light. But it exposes you as a betrayer of someone who only ever tried to seek fairness for you. You have wronged me. You should hang your head in shame.
MM: Sarah, good evening. I’ve never done anything to harm u; have the highest respect for u and not once have I said anything remotely negative against u until even my editor kept asking why I hold u in such high esteem. However, if u were in my position and was being attacked so savagely and inhumanely like I was and have been, would u just drink the hemlock like Socrates or try to use all the available arsenals in your possession? Between the looters and an innocent victim like me, would u hide such an email so that u could produce it as evidence of having come to my defence at my funeral like Raila did at Ojode’s? No my friend; compared to ua looting and barbaric friends (people who can sacrifice an innocent loyal man like me for power & greed) there is nothing I’ve done. Thanks.
SE: Miguna, an agreement of confidentiality between you and me, something I asked you to pledge before showing you the letter whose contents demonstrated my support for your case, has nothing to do with anyone else’s deeds or misdeeds or pronouncements. That was an act of faith between two people, you and me, who pledged trust in each other. You have violated that in the worst way possible. Please don’t delude yourself otherwise. You have sacrificed and trashed fundamental tenets of what makes relations between people work. It leaves you with no moral ground on which to criticise anyone for betrayal.
MM: Stay up there Sarah. Some of us are down here.
SE: Regrettably, it would definitely appear so. Sad.
MM: The TRUTH shall set us free!
SE: The truth is, I trusted you and I thought you had morals too. That truth has done nothing to set me free. You betrayed my trust. Live with it.
MM: And by the way, I never signed any confidentiality agreement with u! U defend a poor looting mortal; I defend an idea/ideal/principle.
SE: Signed, Miguna? Signed? That’s clutching at straws, isn’t it? You know very well you said you would respect confidentiality over the matter. Clearly, your word is not your bond. Nothing you can say changes the fact of your betrayal. As I say, live with it.
MM: Thanks and bye bye.
Hehehehe. This is hilarious! ODMers reduced to recording each others telephone conversations. Good Laaawd! Although I agree with Elderkin in her general assessment of Miguna, this entire missive strikes me more like her trying to prove to OPM that she is still trustworthy & did not give Miguna information in bad faith. |
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Post by b6k on Aug 6, 2012 13:12:25 GMT 3
How exactly does "peeling back the mask" come into today's rally? Care to give evidence? You guys are just idiots. I was at this rally, not a single speaker mentioned those words or uttered the name of the author. Haiya! Phil BUSTED!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by b6k on Aug 6, 2012 13:23:45 GMT 3
So to you IDIOTS, mwendawazimu can only mean "Miguna" and not anybody else? Did the PM mention Miguna or his book? Clutching at straws and trying to distort an otherwise straight forward matter. I have no apologies. You can draw your own interpretations of the kitendawili, and we can draw ours. , methinks ODM should change your title to Director of Mis-communication. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know he was referring to Miguna. Oops! I forgot. Agwambo is not supposed to be talking about Miguna's allegations  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2012 16:17:15 GMT 3
So to you IDIOTS, mwendawazimu can only mean "Miguna" and not anybody else? Did the PM mention Miguna or his book? Clutching at straws and trying to distort an otherwise straight forward matter. I have no apologies. You can draw your own interpretations of the kitendawili, and we can draw ours. , methinks ODM should change your title to Director of Mis-communication. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to know he was referring to Miguna. Oops! I forgot. Agwambo is not supposed to be talking about Miguna's allegations no no no b6kphil's title should be Director of Misinformation. Who can't tell that the man was talking about miguna? Maybe just phil. Also, I don't know when people will understand that mental illness is an illness like any other. If you've got a brain then you can become mentally ill. Some of the smartest people I know live with mental illness. Given the opportunity, many are also productive members of society and some are brilliant at so many levels even as they struggle with depression, schizophrenia etc. So, we shouldn't use mental health/illness as a measure with which to dismiss people. |
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Post by reporter911 on Aug 6, 2012 17:09:46 GMT 3
Why should Phil Apologies? the fact is Raila did not mention Miguna or his allegation, innuendo, Propaganda filled in Science Fiction Novel.. that somewhere are taking as Gospel Truth! are they Miguna's Groupies as he Miguna refers to other? MIGUNA STILL WITHHOLDS CRUCIAL INFORMATION IN REGARDS TO PEV!!! LET HIM PRODUCE IT PRONTO!! NOBODY IS GONNA LICK HIS FEET!! KAPICHE!
PHil it seems Miguna's groupies are vying for your Blood! ;D ;D
But they can never derail Miguna's allegations, innuendo's and propaganda even if they went to MARS PLANET and back.. pole sana
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Post by einstein on Aug 6, 2012 21:30:22 GMT 3
Jeff, Podp,No, no, no! Not so fast guys. You still gotta tell us exactly what it is that MM wrote about the PM that made you see the light! One liners or two paragraphs like yours above is/are not informative at all. We are talking about a tome with over 500 pages here. Surely, you got more to tell us than your current performance above. Remember, you are still on Jukwaa!! Some of us have not read the book and so we need objective analysis. einstein, in red above you wanted an objective analysis Podp,If this was directed at me, then I say thank you very much. You have saved me a lot of time and hence money! And if you think I am a Raila-damu, then by the same token you are Anti-Raila and a Miguna Miguna-damu. How do you like that? Please advise your deity Miguna Miguna next time to pen a factual tome and not a he-said-she-said stuff like he did in Peeling Back His Own Mask. O.k? now you are doing a Hegelian twist! Just so that we are on the same page as regards philosophy. Let me psychoanalyze you for fun. Just to humor myself. We start with a proposal. Hegel said ‘we find in consciousness itself a fundamental hostility towards every other consciousness’ The subject can be posed only in being opposed. You are setting yourself up as the Essential, as opposed to the Other (me), the Inessential, the Object. But the Other (me) consciousness, the other ego, sets up a reciprocal claim! That is your aim which sorry Einstein I will not grant you. You cannot be my Master nor am I willing to be your Slave. I know that a Master and Slave, also, are united by a reciprocal need, in this case economic, which does not liberate the slave. And in your little world RAO and MM are united by a reciprocal need! One to be PORK and the Other to prevent One being PORK. A simplistic world indeed or you find that complex? I assume you are able to follow. We ratchet this up a note higher. Let me politely decline to be the Other i.e. I refuse to be a party to the deal of saying if you are RAO damu I need to be MM damu or PNU damu or even to make you an ally ODM damu. But remember the deity (RAO) has said MM is a Mad Man not Miguna Miguna in the kitendawili. The category of the Other is as primordial as consciousness itself. To you its RAO-MM so by extension you would have Uranus-Zeus (opposing gods in Greek mythology), Sun-Moon (One is a Star the Other just a satellite of any planet rotating around the Star), and Day-Night than it was in the contrasts between Good (RAO in your simplistic world) and Evil (MM in your real and imaginary i.e. dreams worlds), lucky and unlucky auspices, right and left, God (your hope of joining RAO when he goes to Nineveh i.e. becomes PORK) and Lucifer (MM's father and mother and you hope he joined them now). Otherness is a fundamental category of human thought. So be proud you are not the Other but the One. Now that you are the One and since MM is not standing to be PORK why waste your valuable time and energy on a non starter? Just listen to your deity (RAO) and we are home and dry with this debate closed. My conclusion as I humor myself for the new week is 'denial does not represent liberation for those concerned, but rather a flight from reality'. Have a safe flight. [/quote] Podp,To be honest, I do not get you at all. In your post above, are you psychoanalysing me or are you 'philosoanalysing' me? Which one are you belabouring? May be your wordings ain't right and hence the reason I cannot catch your drift. Do you want to give your analysis of me again, but using other words? And while at it, please decide whether it is a psycho or philoso analysis! |
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Post by podp on Aug 8, 2012 21:56:57 GMT 3
That was hilarious. But then, one would want to ask, why would a whole Prime Minister of the republic, the one Kenyans have entrusted with the custody of the country's resources, go bathing in a river with his cloths on the shore (euphemism for conniving with his aids to plunder the country's resources and suffocate the government with his relatives and clans' men)?Is it the fact that (as he confirms with his kitendawili) he has been found naked and wanting that he has ashamedly decided not to answer to Miguna's charges? My Tanzanian colleague who listened to the whole clip and did not know of MM, Tony Gachoka etc type of fellas in PM's life also had a hearty laugh |
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Post by podp on Aug 8, 2012 22:25:19 GMT 3
einstein, in red above you wanted an objective analysis Just so that we are on the same page as regards philosophy. Let me psychoanalyze you for fun. Just to humor myself.My conclusion as I humor myself for the new week is 'denial does not represent liberation for those concerned, but rather a flight from reality'. Have a safe flight. To be honest, I do not get you at all. In your post above, are you psychoanalysing me or are you 'philosoanalysing' me? Which one are you belabouring? May be your wordings ain't right and hence the reason I cannot catch your drift. Do you want to give your analysis of me again, but using other words? And while at it, please decide whether it is a psycho or philoso analysis! |
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Post by b6k on Aug 19, 2012 9:21:41 GMT 3
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Post by reporter911 on Aug 19, 2012 15:07:29 GMT 3
The title of this blog is peeling back Miguna's own mask ;D you are Hilarious, if you find time peruse the Internet I bet you there more than 1000 articles written on how Raila acquired the molasses plant, Star might just have copied from any of the articles, it is an old story repeated thousands of times.. ;D Keep trying.. even Miguna and his rumored handlers are scratching their heads wondering what else they can use..to bring him down..  while Kenyans wait for Miguna to hand over the CRUCIAL INFORMATION HE IS WITHHOLDING ON PEV... |
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 19, 2012 16:43:01 GMT 3
b6kIt is a marathon read, this Sarah. But I am not in church so I am sport. Take a look. Those who have worked for politicians and gotten out sane and early enough, will humorously recall the horrors of the contradictions raised by the various boards on which the game is played simultaneously. Wheeling and dealing in politics is of such a nature, that it is no wonder, that many successful heads of gigantic corporations, making a step into politics anywhere, usually find out they do not have what it takes, and regret the career switch. Politics is the business of millions of everybody, a multinational concern, merely the money-making machine for her shareholders. A simple agenda. Sarah Elderkin, is my favourite journalist in Kenya, even if technically she is no longer into that business. She combines passion, wit, intellect and ratio --that is plausible reasoning, with a flair for the script that annoints the hearts of the literati. And like my brother Omwenga, who is going places and, I am afraid, will soon find altercations on jukwaa beneath his dignity -- (forgive me, O Oyomito)-- Elderkin is not into a 500-words-column just for the sake of it. Like Noam Chomsky on a good day, she is 'readers only'. 'Perusers' be gone! So when Sarah turns her formidable prowess into spin-doctoring, I am in the front line of readers, to learn . Between the lines. I rate her a grandmaster in the arts. You can search the market, you wont be finding a handful in East Afrika, and Elderkin tops Kenya, in my opinion. That she is caucasian is an added bonus. With the best brains of Kenya indistinguishable from every Omollo Kamau and Mutiso, I take full responsibility for that sentence. Tongue very cheeky in cheek. To avoid cisgender Kathure's wrath. See following disclaimer ;D: Emilio Kibaki --AAA brains at economics. Look at his achievements. George Saitoti --nobel class maths of a brain. Look at his achievements. Mutula Kilonzo --highest intellect in law ever since SM Otieno. Look at him. Dr. PLO Lumumba --God kissed his brains. But a total public failure. Amos Wako -another god of brains. A total public failure. Yes, trying to explain systematic, inbuilt failure in public administration in places like ... not necessarily Kenya, has led me to study how the best brains of Afrika work when they achieve power. Unfortunately, only caucasians are ready to pay me for this kind of nonsensical research. So it is a good change, to see a caucasian working at the top of her ability for a Jaluos! Evens the scales a somewhat.=================================================== Sarah
[quoteStar] Unfortunately, huge success stories can lead to terrible jealousy, as Ouko’s case also so sadly demonstrated. A Commission of Inquiry into the Illegal/Irregular Allocation of Public Land was appointed by President Mwai Kibaki on July 4, 2003. It presented its report, commonly known as the ‘Ndung’u Report’, to Kibaki in June 2004.
The main part of the report lists many ways in which directors of public corporations with large public land holdings had misused their positions to make these organisations – for which they had a duty of care and a responsibility to the public – fail, so that the assets could be sold off cheaply for private gain.
The commission found that such state corporations’ land was illegally allocated “in total disregard of the law and public interest”. It said no justification for the allocation of such land could be found in any of the records, and that subsequently “the lands so allocated were then sold by the allottees to other state corporations for colossal amounts of money far in excess of the prevailing market value of the land. This way, many individuals were unjustly enriched at great expense of the people of Kenya.”
The report went on to detail how “the loss of corporation land was triggered by the actions of the Commissioner of Lands”, whose office would engage in some “specially designed correspondences” prior to wrongly granting title to individuals or their third part proxies “The corporation management would wake up to a rude fact that their land had been acquired and title issued thereto without their knowledge,” said the report, adding that another ploy was the illegal allocation of state corporation land after “irregular surrenders” of that land.
“The allottees would sell the land so illegally acquired,” said the report, so that “in a space of say three months, a civil servant, a politician, a political operative, etc, would transform from an ordinary Kenyan, financially struggling like many others, into a multi-millionaire. Thanks to the rampant illegal allocation and sale of state corporation land.”
The report cited Kenya Railways, Kenya Agricultural Research Institute, Kenya Power & Lighting Co Ltd, Kenya Airports Authority and Kenya Industrial Estates as among many state corporations that “lost huge chunks of their land in these circumstances”. None of this applied in the case of the Kisumu Molasses Factory.
But despite this, the allocation to Spectre International Ltd of land on which the molasses plant stands is also mentioned in the report, which concluded that the “direct allocation of alienated government land to the company by the commissioner of lands was illegal”. This conclusion would appear to be in direct contradiction of the facts, as detailed above, which are that:
• The land on which the molasses factory stands was acquired compulsorily by the government for the purpose of building the molasses plant.
• The land was already allocated to the molasses plant in 1982, though the transfer had been only partly completed by the time the company went into receivership in 1983.
• The land was properly allocated a second time, this time to Spectre International, in 2001.
• Spectre paid 20 years’ rent arrears and all the necessary government fees for the land.
• The land has been used for the economic realisation of the original objectives of the government, of the investors and of the local community.
• It was government land, and government is not in the business of selling land. Government merely allocates land for industrial and other development. This is a normal procedure and it is precisely the procedure properly followed in the case of the molasses plant.
As in no other case investigated by the Ndung’u Commission, the land on which the Kisumu Molasses Plant stands has been used for the purposes stated. A hugely successful company has been established on it, which has been of immense benefit to the country via the returns the plant remits to the Treasury every year, and to the local population through jobs, education and health care. And its success is down to the determination of one man, Raila Odinga. Let no one tell you otherwise, for whoever does so is not telling you the truth. [endquote Star]
Sarah ========================================== part 11. Sarah has reached a very important conclusion, made a very important discovery, whose consequences are yet to be overseen. She questions, no, positively indicates, that the Ndung'u commission, it its final report, is in error in having cited the Molasses land-plot as part of the state-tracts illegally alloted to the Who-is-Whos of Kenya, where the public lost large chunks of land through the corrupt dealings facilitated by the office of the commissioner for lands. The den of dens of corruption. That now is a power pack, a sledge-hammer hit. The credibility of the report must now be called into question. Are there other errors? can such a disreputable report, form the basis of a national policy of land reclamations? Is it not so, that those whose lands face confiscation or requisition on the basis of these findings, can now sue for injuction, pending a more credible report. Or a revision of the current version? If Ndung'u was not accurate in Raila's case then, who knows what other errors his carelessness --or is it malice, have let seep into the devastating conclusions? Conclusions which on the intergrity bill, if chapter six is not watered down, will hinder many political careers (with the suspected activistic judiciary in place). I am sure Sarah has calculated and factored in what the attack on the credibility of the Ndung'u report entails in the wider political picture, just like, on the other side, those who attack the alleged [jurisprudential] activism of the new CJ Mutunga, have a game plan in the offing. No hazarding a guess on that.It would have been better, if Sarah categorically stated, soon as the Ndung'u report came out and this was in the report, that Spectre took steps to seek clarification and absolution on that paragraph. But now, the timing of this Elderkin response, and coming in the aftermath of the Miguna book, makes it rank as a damage control exercise. A PR gimmick. I find that sad. PS: these things read like thrillers and I wonder where our financial journalists are. A power alcohol company collapses as bad investment in Kenya, even as elsewhere, Brazil, the industry is becoming bigger than oil! a cabinet minister is murdered by his colleague? Murder by cops, politics, big money, IMF, World Bank, shady international investors. Better than any Godfather story Mario Puzo can dream up! PART 3. It is a statement which brought a grin to my face. If only because of its blow back potential. Sarah writes: ` Moi’s action was also interesting from another point of view: it came days before Kenya was to meet its increasingly reluctant donors in Paris.' --This is in reference to Moi disbanding the Ouko inquiry, and in the same breath, sacking Nicholas Biwott from the ministry of energy, just days before the meeting by donors in Paris with Kenya on the agenda. Sarah is no fool, and her pedigree in journalism too, makes her read between the lines... The manoeuvres, and rules of the game. The Big Game. Therefore, one of the most interesting things in her post, is the total ommission of political history. What shifts were in play, and in which context do they fall? How, by the theory of non random events, were collisions and coalitions re-arranging the members of the poliical class, who too, were involved in real life economic disputes? This is where a strange word enters dholuo lexicon: kopareshon. A word, to write a thesis on. this kopareshon.Raila had, by one version, led the Luo out of 'Wamalwa's' FORD. Another version is, the desperate ideological tendencies could not be contained under one party. This led to the famous NDP with its 21 Luo MPs after the 1997 elections, in which Raila lost the presidency but retained Langata. Sometime later, in a move later to be copied by opposition leader Uhuru Kenyatta, the leader of the NDP abandoned the opposition benches and entered a kopareshen with KANU-Moi. This koparesen would see NDP rewarded with 3 ministries in 2001, with, I am not sure who else, but Adhu Awiti at Economic planning, and Raila at Energy. Energy had been Biwott's brief earlier on, the total man, the alleged killer of Ouko, and the primary author of the sabotage of the Mollases plant, which fell under this ministry. It is interesting, therefore, in good roman sense, when Elderkin's super attention to detail, discards these earthquakes on the political scene as of no consequence. If it were I, I would sit back and tap the bridge of my nose. Becase Moi, by my profile, is too wily a political knave and calculator not to be abreast of what goes. So when manager Agina writes in 1999 to him, Moi, on the Molasses land just at about the second auction, and subsequently the lawyers write to the auctioneer, that ' they are negotiating with the government on land issues, and they do not anticipate difficulties in that regard'; and the receiver ( Muiruri and the rest, who had made this land issue a sticking point in the first round of the auction, forcing it all the way to Ringera HCCC 2324 1996) prove very accomodative, the investigative instinct of the old journalist Sarah is definitely misfiring when she does not investigate it further, nor offer a considered opinion. Her keen insight, should not have gone blunt, or perhaps dim is the better word, just as the need arose to shine light into the inner workings of power. The boardroom deals of the governing elite as they pact, which made Marx quip, parliament is the golf-club of the bourgeoisie. Drinking wine preaching water. Cut Moi some slack guys, behind the scenes. Kanyotu, I think he wil be the greatest sealed lips in our history, on the request of Moi, some say at the behest of Biwott who also understood power, had a complete economic ongoing profile of 'all' (  ), and it gave Moi a capacity to play financial chess with deadly effect. Called negotiations. I think the tale of one, Githunguri, is the best anecdote: He had to pay some debt-servicing pronto or loose a giant property. And then no bank in the republic could effect a transaction on any of his accounts within the specified period. A technical fault? a compulsory banks holiday by God? a sudden epidemic of diarhea effecting only bankers? You wonder. Kenya ni nchi ya ajabu, some musicians sing. And they have that smile on their face, you wonder what they are thinking of. Now Ndung'u has to salvage his reputation. Our Sarah, you can not buy her in the market. I just saw Ouru added another caucasian to his defence team. Caucasians, you just can not trust a brother to do a job when you are in deep sh!t, can you??? I will be back.
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Post by reporter911 on Aug 19, 2012 16:58:37 GMT 3
b6kIt is a marathon read, this Sarah. But I am not in church so I am sport. Take a look. Those who have worked for politicians and gotten out sane and early enough, will humorously recall the horrors of the contradictions raised by the various boards on which the game is played simultaneously. Wheeling and dealing in politics is of such a nature, that it is no wonder, that many successful heads of gigantic corporations, making a step into politics anywhere, usually find out they do not have what it takes, and regret the career switch. Politics is the business of millions of everybody, a multinational concern, merely the money-making machine for her shareholders. A simple agenda. Sarah Elderkin, is my favourite journalist in Kenya, even if technically she is no longer into that business. She combines passion, wit, intellect and ratio --that is plausible reasoning, with a flair for the script that annoints the hearts of the literati. And like my brother Omwenga, who is going places and, I am afraid, will soon find altercations on jukwaa beneath his dignity -- (forgive me, O Oyomito)-- Elderkin is not into a 500-words-column just for the sake of it. Like Noam Chomsky on a good day, she is 'readers only'. 'Perusers' be gone! So when Sarah turns her formidable prowess into spin-doctoring, I am in the front line of readers, to learn . Between the lines. I rate her a grandmaster in the arts. You can search the market, you wont be finding a handful in East Afrika, and Elderkin tops Kenya, in my opinion. That she is caucasian is an added bonus. With the best brains of Kenya indistinguishable from every Omollo Kamau and Mutiso, I take full responsibility for that sentence. Tongue very cheeky in cheek. To avoid cisgender Kathure's wrath. See following disclaimer ;D: Emilio Kibaki --AAA brains at economics. Look at his achievements. George Saitoti --nobel class maths of a brain. Look at his achievements. Mutula Kilonzo --highest intellect in law ever since SM Otieno. Look at him. Dr. PLO Lumumba --God kissed his brains. But a total public failure. Amos Wako -another god of brains. A total public failure. Yes, trying to explain systematic, inbuilt failure in public administration in places like ... not necessarily Kenya, has led me to study how the best brains of Afrika work when they achieve power. Unfortunately, only caucasians are ready to pay me for this kind of nonsensical research. So it is a good change, to see a caucasian working at the top of her ability for a Jaluos! Evens the scales a somewhat.=================================================== Sarah
[quoteStar] Unfortunately, huge success stories can lead to terrible jealousy, as Ouko’s case also so sadly demonstrated. A Commission of Inquiry into the Illegal/Irregular Allocation of Public Land was appointed by President Mwai Kibaki on July 4, 2003. It presented its report, commonly known as the ‘Ndung’u Report’, to Kibaki in June 2004.
The main part of the report lists many ways in which directors of public corporations with large public land holdings had misused their positions to make these organisations – for which they had a duty of care and a responsibility to the public – fail, so that the assets could be sold off cheaply for private gain.
The commission found that such state corporations’ land was illegally allocated “in total disregard of the law and public interest”. It said no justification for the allocation of such land could be found in any of the records, and that subsequently “the lands so allocated were then sold by the allottees to other state corporations for colossal amounts of money far in excess of the prevailing market value of the land. This way, many individuals were unjustly enriched at great expense of the people of Kenya.”
The report went on to detail how “the loss of corporation land was triggered by the actions of the Commissioner of Lands”, whose office would engage in some “specially designed correspondences” prior to wrongly granting title to individuals or their third part proxies “The corporation management would wake up to a rude fact that their land had been acquired and title issued thereto without their knowledge,” said the report, adding that another ploy was the illegal allocation of state corporation land after “irregular surrenders” of that land.
“The allottees would sell the land so illegally acquired,” said the report, so that “in a space of say three months, a civil servant, a politician, a political operative, etc, would transform from an ordinary Kenyan, financially struggling like many others, into a multi-millionaire. Thanks to the rampant illegal allocation and sale of state corporation land.”
The report cited Kenya Railways, Kenya Agricultural Research Institute, Kenya Power & Lighting Co Ltd, Kenya Airports Authority and Kenya Industrial Estates as among many state corporations that “lost huge chunks of their land in these circumstances”. None of this applied in the case of the Kisumu Molasses Factory.
But despite this, the allocation to Spectre International Ltd of land on which the molasses plant stands is also mentioned in the report, which concluded that the “direct allocation of alienated government land to the company by the commissioner of lands was illegal”. This conclusion would appear to be in direct contradiction of the facts, as detailed above, which are that:
• The land on which the molasses factory stands was acquired compulsorily by the government for the purpose of building the molasses plant.
• The land was already allocated to the molasses plant in 1982, though the transfer had been only partly completed by the time the company went into receivership in 1983.
• The land was properly allocated a second time, this time to Spectre International, in 2001.
• Spectre paid 20 years’ rent arrears and all the necessary government fees for the land.
• The land has been used for the economic realisation of the original objectives of the government, of the investors and of the local community.
• It was government land, and government is not in the business of selling land. Government merely allocates land for industrial and other development. This is a normal procedure and it is precisely the procedure properly followed in the case of the molasses plant.
As in no other case investigated by the Ndung’u Commission, the land on which the Kisumu Molasses Plant stands has been used for the purposes stated. A hugely successful company has been established on it, which has been of immense benefit to the country via the returns the plant remits to the Treasury every year, and to the local population through jobs, education and health care. And its success is down to the determination of one man, Raila Odinga. Let no one tell you otherwise, for whoever does so is not telling you the truth. [endquote Star]
Sarah ========================================== part 11. Sarah has reached a very important conclusion, made a very important discovery, whose consequences are yet to be overseen. She questions, no, positively indicates, that the Ndung'u commission, it its final report, is in error in having cited the Molasses land-plot as part of the state-tracts illegally alloted to the Who-is-Whos of Kenya, where the public lost large chunks of land through the corrupt dealings facilitated by the office of the commissioner for lands. The den of dens of corruption. That now is a power pack, a sledge-hammer hit. The credibility of the report must now be called into question. Are there other errors? can such a disreputable report, form the basis of a national policy of land reclamations? Is it not so, that those whose lands face confiscation or requisition on the basis of these findings, can now sue for injuction, pending a more credible report. Or a revision of the current version? If Ndung'u was not accurate in Raila's case then, who knows what other errors his carelessness --or is it malice, have let seep into the devastating conclusions? Conclusions which on the intergrity bill, if chapter six is not watered down, will hinder many political careers (with the suspected activistic judiciary in place). I am sure Sarah has calculated and factored in what the attack on the credibility of the Ndung'u report entails in the wider political picture, just like, on the other side, those who attack the alleged [jurisprudential] activism of the new CJ Mutunga, have a game plan in the offing. No hazarding a guess on that.It would have been better, if Sarah categorically stated, soon as the Ndung'u report came out and this was in the report, that Spectre took steps to seek clarification and absolution on that paragraph. But now, the timing of this Elderkin response, and coming in the aftermath of the Miguna book, makes it rank as a damage control exercise. A PR gimmick. I find that sad. PS: these things read like thrillers and I wonder where our financial journalists are. A power alcohol company collapses as bad investment in Kenya, even as elsewhere, Brazil, the industry is becoming bigger than oil! a cabinet minister is murdered by his colleague? Murder by cops, politics, big money, IMF, World Bank, shady international investors. Better than any Godfather story Mario Puzo can dream up! PART 3. It is a statement which brought a grin to my face. If only because of its blow back potential. Sarah writes: ` Moi’s action was also interesting from another point of view: it came days before Kenya was to meet its increasingly reluctant donors in Paris.' --This is in reference to Moi disbanding the Ouko inquiry, and in the same breath, sacking Nicholas Biwott from the ministry of energy, just days before the meeting by donors in Paris with Kenya on the agenda. Sarah is no fool, and her pedigree in journalism too, makes her read between the lines... The manoeuvres, and rules of the game. The Big Game. Therefore, one of the most interesting things in her post, is the total ommission of political history. What shifts were in play, and in which context do they fall? How, by the theory of non random events, were collisions and coalitions re-arranging the members of the poliical class, who too, were involved in real life economic disputes? This is where a strange word enters dholuo lexicon: kopareshon. A word, to write a thesis on. this kopareshon.Raila had, by one version, led the Luo out of 'Wamalwa's' FORD. Another version is, the desperate ideological tendencies could not be contained under one party. This led to the famous NDP with its 21 Luo MPs after the 1997 elections, in which Raila lost the presidency but retained Langata. Sometime later, in a move later to be copied by opposition leader Uhuru Kenyatta, the leader of the NDP abandoned the opposition benches and entered a kopareshen with KANU-Moi. This koparesen would see NDP rewarded with 3 ministries in 2001, with, I am not sure who else, but Adhu Awiti at Economic planning, and Raila at Energy. Energy had been Biwott's brief earlier on, the total man, the alleged killer of Ouko, and the primary author of the sabotage of the Mollases plant, which fell under this ministry. It is interesting, therefore, in good roman sense, when Elderkin's super attention to detail, discards these earthquakes on the political scene as of no consequence. If it were I, I would sit back and tap the bridge of my nose. Becase Moi, by my profile, is too wily a political knave and calculator not to be abreast of what goes. So when manager Agina writes in 1999 to him, Moi, on the Molasses land just at about the second auction, and subsequently the lawyers write to the auctioneer, that ' they are negotiating with the government on land issues, and they do not anticipate difficulties in that regard'; and the receiver ( Muiruri and the rest, who had made this land issue a sticking point in the first round of the auction, forcing it all the way to Ringera HCCC 2324 1996) prove very accomodative, the investigative instinct of the old journalist Sarah is definitely misfiring when she does not investigate it further, nor offer a considered opinion. Her keen insight, should not have gone blunt, or perhaps dim is the better word, just as the need arose to shine light into the inner workings of power. The boardroom deals of the governing elite as they pact, which made Marx quip, parliament is the golf-club of the bourgeoisie. Drinking wine preaching water. Cut Moi some slack guys, behind the scenes. Kanyotu, I think he wil be the greatest sealed lips in our history, on the request of Moi, some say at the behest of Biwott who also understood power, had a complete economic ongoing profile of 'all' ( ), and it gave Moi a capacity to play financial chess with deadly effect. Called negotiations. I think the tale of one, Githunguri, is the best anecdote: He had to pay some debt-servicing pronto or loose a giant property. And then no bank in the republic could effect a transaction on any of his accounts within the specified period. A technical fault? a compulsory banks holiday by God? a sudden epidemic of diarhea effecting only bankers? You wonder. Kenya ni nchi ya ajabu, some musicians sing. And they have that smile on their face, you wonder what they are thinking of. Now Ndung'u has to salvage his reputation. Our Sarah, you can not buy her in the market. I just saw Ouru added another caucasian to his defence team. Caucasians, you just can not trust a brother to do a job when you are in deep sh!t, can you??? I will be back. Sarah did not write the book full of allegations, lies, innuendo's abusive to women and calling Kenyans groupies.. ;D who ever sent some people here to try to discredit Sarah is wasting their time.. yani now they are dragging previous articles written by Sarah? It is called trying to hard to cover Miguna's " kiss my feet" jonny come lately .. it will not work nada! I guess many are Kissing Miguna's feet.. ;D ;D Read the post heading "PEELING BACK MIGUNA'S MASK" and if some don't have anything to contribute in regards to peeling Miguna's mask then they should move on? instead of copying and pasting here Sarah's previous articles and trying so hard until the are turning blue black to cover Miguna's unsubstantiated allegations!! it sure is hilarious. ;D ;D next ..... copy and past ha!!ha!! |
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), and it gave Moi a capacity to play financial chess with deadly effect. Called negotiations. I think the tale of one, Githunguri, is the best anecdote: He had to pay some debt-servicing pronto or loose a giant property. And then no bank in the republic could effect a transaction on any of his accounts within the specified period. A technical fault? a compulsory banks holiday by God? a sudden epidemic of diarhea effecting only bankers? You wonder.