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Post by malkia on Aug 27, 2012 20:21:12 GMT 3
I read, and later sought to join this board because if the thoughtful and well analyzed writings by some like Adongo. It is a loss to Jukwaa and one that in my view could have been avoided. Some unsolicited advice: to Adongo, please reconsider. There is a real need rational debate and discourse and thought provoking pieces contribute to elevating our discussions, even when we disagree. To the Administrator, departures are always a good time to reevaluate the strategic direction of an organization or in this case the community of Jukwaa. This doesn't mean you would agree with some of us that see these departures, and the reasons for them, as a problem but the self reflection is important and in my view necessary.
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Post by moesha on Aug 27, 2012 23:10:56 GMT 3
Your comments above to Phil & RR for starters...you seem quite eager to see them leave. I haven’t been a member long here but I frequent this site quite often and their are many members here who make it worth my while and Adongo was one of the best... Adongo has decided to leave but all you can muster is tell him adios & the rest of the board to follow suit I don’t know maybe it’s because you know him personally & don’t see the big deal but I thought as the moderator this board’s growth or apparent demise would be of concern... 101 viewers and 4 members online may seem to be alright but I think it’s modest & you should be aiming for much more and the way this place has been since Miguna & his tribulations took it over 70 of those viewers might be part of a funeral procession... O.O. has seen it fit to be part of Miguna’s entourage (I wish I had friends like him) leaving you here to according to definition be ‘someone who presides over a forum or debate’ & ‘be someone who mediates disputes and attempts to avoid violence’...IMO you have failed at both much like a football referee the less we hear from you the better...and most of the time that I notice your posts they tend to take a very pugilistic tone... emaliI suggest that since you're new here you go back to archives and see if perhaps you can understand where i'm coming from. rr and phil are Raila sycophants. According to them Raila can do no wrong. He must be super human. there are other resident sycopants here as well. When I was going to bat for Raila I still gave him only critical support because you know what? nobody is perfect. And to be perfectly honest, if those two wanted to leave, I'd tell them not to let the door hit them on the way out. But rest assured they will not. As far as adongo goes, he claims he's leaving the site because he can not take all the miguna this that and the other. First of all i do not buy that, secondly what did you want me to do. ball? nah! Others have urged him to stay. That's fine with me. But it's entirely up to him. Besides, I did wish him bigger and better things. moderating to me doesn't mean that i can't express my opinions, disagree with folks gently or otherwise. Neither does it mean that members can walk all over me and expect to get away with it. you did see that I was censured by the administrator Oloo in the same way that my nemesis reporter 101 was. That is contratry to lies propogated by those who claim that i can get away with whatever i want here. I've said it before and I'm saying it now. No one person has benefited from this forum as much as Raila Odinga has. Many, many of his supporters and ODM opperatives are here every single day because clearly, they view this place as a great place to promote their man. Now that I'm oppossed to him, I can expect that his supporters will attempt to chew and spit me out at every turn. @kathuresThe issue here is not Raila Odinga or his sychophants, its about Adongo leaving, your not so clever response to him (as a moderator) and your behavior as a moderator in general that is in question. The fact that you have been 'censured' is quiet telling dont you think? I havent been here that long but I have also noticed how you sometimes provoke or insult members you disagree with (I have called you out on it before, with Omwenga) and seem to get away with things that will prompt a sharp warning from admin had it originated from someone else. As a moderator I thought at a minimum you should at least set precedence for good behavior. Quite frankly you have been a disappointment. Maybe its time you give up the job if you cannot handle it. @adongoI urge you to reconsider your decision to quit. Kenya is so much bigger than MM and his sidekicks and we have a lot of problems that people like you can help find solutions to. It is people like you who we the younger generation are looking up to in the hopes of following into your footsteps. The battle is still so far from being won and quitting now is akin to giving up the good fight. Speak with Oloo if you must, and take some time off but please do reconsider.
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Post by patriotism101 on Aug 27, 2012 23:56:29 GMT 3
I have argued that OO has made Jukwaa a Miguna broadcasting corporation, akin to what former KBC was to Moi. Those were the days you had to buy a radio license from KBC and had no choice but to listen to what baba na mama was upto. Times have changed and therefore OO has no choice but to style up. First order of business should be to strip Kathure Kebaara any admin priviledges she may still wield. She has shown us how not to be an admin, drunken with admin priviledges, she has exploited your friendship and canadian connection demonstrating the type of cyber impunity repugnant to civilized bloggers. As I said in my post below, the choice is yours OO, to reengineer and turn around Jukwaa- otherwise you will be an obstacle to change and you risk being swept aside. jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=7309&page=2#105866Senti 5
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Post by b6k on Aug 28, 2012 1:18:04 GMT 3
The ironic thing about all these holier than thou attacks against Kathure. OO, & Miguna is that this is where I stood before a year a so ago. Kathure once unleashed her attacks on me, unjustly so in my view, branding me a misogynist to the point I eventually called her a most "immoderate, moderator" or something to that effect. I believe I clashed with OO after I had made several attacks on Miguna to the point he tried to pull rank on me as administrator, to which I told him he was the end all & be all on Jukwaa as he has personal information on ALL members on this board whether we use our real names or handles. At that time he told me Miguna had more posts than me on the board, a fact that no longer holds true, but I stuck to my guns (pun intended if pronounced in cockney) & somehow survived that storm. As I have said recently, Miguna referred to me as the "mischief maker" for daring to out the fact that he was not in good standing with the Law Society of Kenya, as far as his membership was concerned at the time.
Truth be told, I don't know any of the trio from Adam...or Eve. Indeed I can truthfully say I don't know any Jukwaa personality in person as it were as I only deal with y'all on cyberspace. that said, something has changed on this board since those days I clashed with the trio to where we are today. For some, it makes Jukwaa less palatable. For me it makes it more real. Those who were singing Kumbayas with the trio now bay for their blood. Miguna has been a good shit stirrer. It will take some time before the muck settles but Jukwaa, & KE may never be the same again once the chips fall. However, as Nereah said, they will both endure...
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Post by reporter911 on Aug 28, 2012 1:52:46 GMT 3
The ironic thing about all these holier than thou attacks against Kathure. OO, & Miguna is that this is where I stood before a year a so ago. Kathure once unleashed her attacks on me, unjustly so in my view, branding me a misogynist to the point I eventually called her a most "immoderate, moderator" or something to that effect. I believe I clashed with OO after I had made several attacks on Miguna to the point he tried to pull rank on me as administrator, to which I told him he was the end all & be all on Jukwaa as he has personal information on ALL members on this board whether we use our real names or handles. At that time he told me Miguna had more posts than me on the board, a fact that no longer holds true, but I stuck to my guns (pun intended if pronounced in cockney) & somehow survived that storm. As I have said recently, Miguna referred to me as the "mischief maker" for daring to out the fact that he was not in good standing with the Law Society of Kenya, as far as his membership was concerned at the time. Truth be told, I don't know any of the trio from Adam...or Eve. Indeed I can truthfully say I don't know any Jukwaa personality in person as it were as I only deal with y'all on cyberspace. that said, something has changed on this board since those days I clashed with the trio to where we are today. For some, it makes Jukwaa less palatable. For me it makes it more real. Those who were singing Kumbayas with the trio now bay for their blood. Miguna has been a good shit stirrer. It will take some time before the muck settles but Jukwaa, & KE may never be the same again once the chips fall. However, as Nereah said, they will both endure... ;D ;D and you survived.. Jukwaa would not be in High gear without people like you.. sad about Adongo.. I hope he reconsiders.. Kumbaya will continue.. Robot voters, groupies, goons as Miguna refers to some Kenyans will continue chasing him to substantiate all allegations in his book, including the crucial PEV information he claims to be withholding.. maybe he should hand it over to the Police in Nyeri..
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Post by morimax on Aug 28, 2012 8:57:05 GMT 3
Your comments above to Phil & RR for starters...you seem quite eager to see them leave. I haven’t been a member long here but I frequent this site quite often and their are many members here who make it worth my while and Adongo was one of the best... Adongo has decided to leave but all you can muster is tell him adios & the rest of the board to follow suit I don’t know maybe it’s because you know him personally & don’t see the big deal but I thought as the moderator this board’s growth or apparent demise would be of concern... 101 viewers and 4 members online may seem to be alright but I think it’s modest & you should be aiming for much more and the way this place has been since Miguna & his tribulations took it over 70 of those viewers might be part of a funeral procession... O.O. has seen it fit to be part of Miguna’s entourage (I wish I had friends like him) leaving you here to according to definition be ‘someone who presides over a forum or debate’ & ‘be someone who mediates disputes and attempts to avoid violence’...IMO you have failed at both much like a football referee the less we hear from you the better...and most of the time that I notice your posts they tend to take a very pugilistic tone... emaliI suggest that since you're new here you go back to archives and see if perhaps you can understand where i'm coming from. rr and phil are Raila sycophants. According to them Raila can do no wrong. He must be super human. there are other resident sycopants here as well. When I was going to bat for Raila I still gave him only critical support because you know what? nobody is perfect. And to be perfectly honest, if those two wanted to leave, I'd tell them not to let the door hit them on the way out. But rest assured they will not. As far as adongo goes, he claims he's leaving the site because he can not take all the miguna this that and the other. First of all i do not buy that, secondly what did you want me to do. ball? nah! Others have urged him to stay. That's fine with me. But it's entirely up to him. Besides, I did wish him bigger and better things. moderating to me doesn't mean that i can't express my opinions, disagree with folks gently or otherwise. Neither does it mean that members can walk all over me and expect to get away with it. you did see that I was censured by the administrator Oloo in the same way that my nemesis reporter 101 was. That is contratry to lies propogated by those who claim that i can get away with whatever i want here. I've said it before and I'm saying it now. No one person has benefited from this forum as much as Raila Odinga has. Many, many of his supporters and ODM opperatives are here every single day because clearly, they view this place as a great place to promote their man. Now that I'm oppossed to him, I can expect that his supporters will attempt to chew and spit me out at every turn. KathureThat is what we are talking about. Again, here the issue is not RAILA, the issue raised by emali is your ability to moderator fairly, to keep up to the principles of the board. You have jumped to RAILA this RAILA that RAILA sycophants. REALLY? This is not you. It is your strange way of debate. You have change to that " Hitlers spy master" remind me of his name again... that tell all the bad things that you can remember about the jews and poeple master that the jews are truly bad and you know the end result. Really?. Just speculating, forgive my bad. Could it be that you are also enjoying the book sale $$$. Or is it time to get filthy rich and you are positioning yourself for the deep pocketed $$$. Good luck if so.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2012 9:54:26 GMT 3
emaliI suggest that since you're new here you go back to archives and see if perhaps you can understand where i'm coming from. rr and phil are Raila sycophants. According to them Raila can do no wrong. He must be super human. there are other resident sycopants here as well. When I was going to bat for Raila I still gave him only critical support because you know what? nobody is perfect. And to be perfectly honest, if those two wanted to leave, I'd tell them not to let the door hit them on the way out. But rest assured they will not. As far as adongo goes, he claims he's leaving the site because he can not take all the miguna this that and the other. First of all i do not buy that, secondly what did you want me to do. ball? nah! Others have urged him to stay. That's fine with me. But it's entirely up to him. Besides, I did wish him bigger and better things. moderating to me doesn't mean that i can't express my opinions, disagree with folks gently or otherwise. Neither does it mean that members can walk all over me and expect to get away with it. you did see that I was censured by the administrator Oloo in the same way that my nemesis reporter 101 was. That is contratry to lies propogated by those who claim that i can get away with whatever i want here. I've said it before and I'm saying it now. No one person has benefited from this forum as much as Raila Odinga has. Many, many of his supporters and ODM opperatives are here every single day because clearly, they view this place as a great place to promote their man. Now that I'm oppossed to him, I can expect that his supporters will attempt to chew and spit me out at every turn. KathureThat is what we are talking about. Again, here the issue is not RAILA, the issue raised by emali is your ability to moderator fairly, to keep up to the principles of the board. You have jumped to RAILA this RAILA that RAILA sycophants. REALLY? This is not you. It is your strange way of debate. You have change to that " Hitlers spy master" remind me of his name again... that tell all the bad things that you can remember about the jews and poeple master that the jews are truly bad and you know the end result. Really?. Just speculating, forgive my bad. Could it be that you are also enjoying the book sale $$$. Or is it time to get filthy rich and you are positioning yourself for the deep pocketed $$$. Good luck if so. I replied to emali blow by blow. go back and look at what he said. you're being mischievously selective. as for getting bought off? you all must be joking. when i was supporting Raila i didn't hear you saying that I'm getting paid to do so. now that I don't support him, I'm getting paid to do that. so it must be that you people who support Raila regardless of anything are getting paid off too. As for the ones who are telling me to quit, that isn't going to happen. if Oloo feels the need then he'll get rid of me. thats all. now please get off my case. I'm sure you all have more important things to do here.
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Post by podp on Aug 28, 2012 10:27:01 GMT 3
as for getting bought off? you all must be joking. when i was supporting Raila i didn't hear you saying that I'm getting paid to do so. now that I don't support him, I'm getting paid to do that. so it must be that you people who support Raila regardless of anything are getting paid off too. As for the ones who are telling me to quit, that isn't going to happen. if Oloo feels the need then he'll get rid of me. thats all. now please get off my case. I'm sure you all have more important things to do here. Why extremists always focus on women remains a mystery to me. But they all seem to. It doesn't matter what country they're in or what religion they claim. They want to control women. They want to control how we dress, they want to control how we act, they even want to control the decisions we make about our own health and bodies. The above is not me but a qoute from a recent speech at the Women in the World Summit, by USA, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. When I hear Jukwaa members asking KK ro resign, eat humble pie and what not it brings painful memories that Afghan woman imprisoned for adultery after being raped by a relative and is going free — but only because she agreed to marry the man who assaulted her. The 19-year-old woman, named only as Gulnaz, became high-profile after an EU-funded documentary film on her case was censored by diplomats who feared for her welfare. As attention to Gulnaz’s case rose, Afghan President Hamid Karzai was forced to intervene, announcing that she would be released if she agreed to mediation with her attacker. That mediation resulted in the current decision: that she be freed if she marries her rapist, a move her supporters say she feared. www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/afghan-woman-freed-from-jail-after-agreeing-to-marry-rapist/2011/12/01/gIQAdW1UHO_blog.htmlKK do stay put where you are as we have also said nasty things to one another and you have not acted by asking us to do unpleasant things. But if you decide to throw in the towel you will remind me again of the Afghan lady who is now 'unhappily' married to the man who assaulted her rather than be in jail for being raped! In Afghan culture, a woman can legitimize a child born out of wedlock by marrying the father, even if the child was brought about by rape. Would anyone refuse the above if we substitued Afghan with Kenya?
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Post by destiny on Aug 28, 2012 11:17:46 GMT 3
This is my humble opinion.
Jukwaa has many strengths and few weaknesses. One of the key weakness is that some key members who have known each other on personal or business terms fall out big time (outside this forum!!) and bring their troubles (domestic issues) here in Jukwaa. The recent bitter exchange between Kathure and Reporter is one pointer. You will rarely see 'anonymous' people like me and others mud slinging with complete strangers on the internet.
I hope Adongo will reconsider is decision to quit and will be avoiding issues he's fed up with if he decides to returns. He did that on Daniel Waweru's threads and life went on. I like the way he puts things into context in his incisive posts, sometimes giving complex issues a human face and touch. Kenya is at the crossroads and this is not the time to hang up the gloves. Adongo has a unique writing skill that even changing his handle and reincarnating into someone else would not help much.
I wish to draw Adongo to that thread he started about his passport fiasco back in Canada before he jetted in for his vacation in Kenya. We all came together- friends and foes, even people who had not logged in for ages emerged until things were sorted out, now that's the classic Jukwaa for you. Adongo stood up against Moi dictatorship and was jailed for it, he must rest if he can...but don't quit!
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Post by Titchaz on Aug 28, 2012 12:03:14 GMT 3
This is my humble opinion. Jukwaa has many strengths and few weaknesses. One of the key weakness is that some key members who have known each other on personal or business terms fall out big time (outside this forum!!) and bring their troubles (domestic issues) here in Jukwaa. The recent bitter exchange between Kathure and Reporter is one pointer. You will rarely see 'anonymous' people like me and others mud slinging with complete strangers on the internet. I hope Adongo will reconsider is decision to quit and will be avoiding issues he's fed up with if he decides to returns. He did that on Daniel Waweru's threads and life went on. I like the way he puts things into context in his incisive posts, sometimes giving complex issues a human face and touch. Kenya is at the crossroads and this is not the time to hang up the gloves. Adongo has a unique writing skill that even changing his handle and reincarnating into someone else would not help much. I wish to draw Adongo to that thread he started about his passport fiasco back in Canada before he jetted in for his vacation in Kenya. We all came together- friends and foes, even people who had not logged in for ages emerged until things were sorted out, now that's the classic Jukwaa for you. Adongo stood up against Moi dictatorship and was jailed for it, he must rest if he can...but don't quit! Very nice statement!... Thank God I just know 3 people on this board If I have issues with them I go straight to the phone and call them. Wakizidi then I will knock on their doors. Hii biashara ya kutangazana humu ndani is really scary! God help Jukwaa to survive the storms!.
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Post by roughrider on Aug 28, 2012 12:20:07 GMT 3
as for getting bought off? you all must be joking. when i was supporting Raila i didn't hear you saying that I'm getting paid to do so. now that I don't support him, I'm getting paid to do that. so it must be that you people who support Raila regardless of anything are getting paid off too. As for the ones who are telling me to quit, that isn't going to happen. if Oloo feels the need then he'll get rid of me. thats all. now please get off my case. I'm sure you all have more important things to do here. Why extremists always focus on women remains a mystery to me. But they all seem to. It doesn't matter what country they're in or what religion they claim. They want to control women. They want to control how we dress, they want to control how we act, they even want to control the decisions we make about our own health and bodies. The above is not me but a qoute from a recent speech at the Women in the World Summit, by USA, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. When I hear Jukwaa members asking KK ro resign, eat humble pie and what not it brings painful memories that Afghan woman imprisoned for adultery after being raped by a relative and is going free — but only because she agreed to marry the man who assaulted her. The 19-year-old woman, named only as Gulnaz, became high-profile after an EU-funded documentary film on her case was censored by diplomats who feared for her welfare. As attention to Gulnaz’s case rose, Afghan President Hamid Karzai was forced to intervene, announcing that she would be released if she agreed to mediation with her attacker. That mediation resulted in the current decision: that she be freed if she marries her rapist, a move her supporters say she feared. www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/afghan-woman-freed-from-jail-after-agreeing-to-marry-rapist/2011/12/01/gIQAdW1UHO_blog.htmlKK do stay put where you are as we have also said nasty things to one another and you have not acted by asking us to do unpleasant things. But if you decide to throw in the towel you will remind me again of the Afghan lady who is now 'unhappily' married to the man who assaulted her rather than be in jail for being raped! In Afghan culture, a woman can legitimize a child born out of wedlock by marrying the father, even if the child was brought about by rape. Would anyone refuse the above if we substitued Afghan with Kenya? Bwana Prof;You need to be more focused on the issue. Your examples and digressions are irrelevant to this situation. Kathure is not being asked to resign because she is a woman. She is being asked to resign because of this: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7321She engaged in unsavory behavior unbecoming of a moderator (engaging in a fight with a member and chasing men on the internet like a little girl when she is my mother’s age-mate!). She lacks substance and members do not respect her. I cannot personally recall an instance when she ‘moderated’ anything on Jukwaa. Bur ‘sexism’ is what you engaged in a few posts back and was called out for. It is interesting that you think we should go easy on her because 'she is a woman'. It says a lot about your views on women.
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Post by podp on Aug 28, 2012 12:47:41 GMT 3
You need to be more focused on the issue. Your examples and digressions are irrelevant to this situation. Kathure is not being asked to resign because she is a woman. She is being asked to resign because of this:
jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7321She engaged in unsavory behavior unbecoming of a moderator (engaging in a fight with a member and chasing men on the internet like a little girl when she is my mother’s age-mate!). She lacks substance and members do not respect her. I cannot personally recall an instance when she ‘moderated’ anything on Jukwaa. Bur ‘sexism’ is what you engaged in a few posts back and was called out for. It is interesting that you think we should go easy on her because 'she is a woman'. It says a lot about your views on women. rr, 1st red highlight -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Jukwaaists: I know both of you beyond this forum. I plead with both of you to keep non-Jukwaa matters away from the forum. Please. I am writing after browsing a thread brought to my attention by a concerned Jukwaa member. Since I have been away dodging hooligans I have missed many exchanges. Onyango Oloo Jukwaa Administrator « Last Edit: Yesterday at 4:51am by Onyango Oloo » Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7321#ixzz24pbWknOXi do not read anywhere above asking her to resign. And by the way why are you bringing your mother here? We all have mothers; and i would not enjoy discussing my mama's bed mate(s) preferences unless you have not outgrown the Oedepus complex and still stay under her roof! 2nd red highlight so what about my views on The Second Sex? stimulates (+/-)
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Post by Omwenga on Aug 28, 2012 12:51:38 GMT 3
I havent been here that long but I have also noticed how you sometimes provoke or insult members you disagree with (I have called you out on it before, with Omwenga) and seem to get away with things that will prompt a sharp warning from admin had it originated from someone else. Moesha,I appreciated and still do your coming to my defense on the occasion you refer to and will always remember that and ditto for a couple or so others who did the same thing...to her credit, though, Kathure did apologize and all has been good since between she and I and will be even better when she rethinks her position on our very likely next president Raila Amolo Odinga. You have spoken well.
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Post by roughrider on Aug 28, 2012 13:03:09 GMT 3
You need to be more focused on the issue. Your examples and digressions are irrelevant to this situation. Kathure is not being asked to resign because she is a woman. She is being asked to resign because of this:
jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7321She engaged in unsavory behavior unbecoming of a moderator (engaging in a fight with a member and chasing men on the internet like a little girl when she is my mother’s age-mate!). She lacks substance and members do not respect her. I cannot personally recall an instance when she ‘moderated’ anything on Jukwaa. Bur ‘sexism’ is what you engaged in a few posts back and was called out for. It is interesting that you think we should go easy on her because 'she is a woman'. It says a lot about your views on women. rr, 1st red highlight -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Jukwaaists: I know both of you beyond this forum. I plead with both of you to keep non-Jukwaa matters away from the forum. Please. I am writing after browsing a thread brought to my attention by a concerned Jukwaa member. Since I have been away dodging hooligans I have missed many exchanges. Onyango Oloo Jukwaa Administrator « Last Edit: Yesterday at 4:51am by Onyango Oloo » Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7321#ixzz24pbWknOXi do not read anywhere above asking her to resign. And by the way why are you bringing your mother here? We all have mothers; and i would not enjoy discussing my mama's bed mate(s) preferences unless you have not outgrown the Oedepus complex and still stay under her roof! 2nd red so what about my views on The Second Sex? stimulates (+/-) 1. I believe that once again, you are missing the point. Oloo was warning her against unbecoming behaviour. Behaviour that I (and others) think should have warranted immediate resignation. Or you think that only Oloo is allowed to call for resignation of a moderator? I only reference Oloo's thread to alert you that she is not being asked to resign for nothing. 2. I only bring up my mother because she is an age-mate of Kathure. It references the gap in our ages and the respect I should accord her. In my African culture, we are required to respect all women who are as old as our mothers. But being of that age, such women are required to behave with decorum. I do not believe the reports we read about her assailing Reporters brother is respectable behaviour for a woman as old as my mother. Hiyo tu! 3. I have some definite views about the 'Second Sex' and feminism generally. I will need to compose them later. Cheers,
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Post by stibin on Aug 28, 2012 13:18:43 GMT 3
Long time ago before I joined this forum some popular blogger used to refer to it as “Raila worshipping Jukwaa’ and I am afraid some people here make it appear so. It is insincere to accuse Oloo of turning Jukwaa in to a ‘miguna forum’ yet unbiased analysis of the said threads will reveal that over 90% of comments were anti-Miguna. Indeed I don’t think any other person has ever received the kind of beating as MM did. As all this happened Oloo kept his cool but occasionally informed us on what was unfolding in the miguna saga.
NB: Adongo should definitely look for a better reason to exit.
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Post by adongo23456 on Aug 28, 2012 13:55:37 GMT 3
Folks,
Since I still have my registration in Jukwaa I will say a few things.
1. I appreciate people who value my contributions in Jukwaa. It is always humbling when other people appreciate what you do. I enjoy writing and I have done so since I was a kid at Chianda Secondary School. As we speak I am trying to gather some of the work I have being involved with in the past. I am tracing copies of Sauti Ya Kamkunji, UoN magazine of which I had the privilege to be the editor in those days. I have managed to get copies of HAKI a quarterly magazine we produced in Toronto to further our political work at the time. They are beautiful pieces of work and I like them.
When I tell my son I am a writer he asks me who reads my work and I tell him I like writing and reading what I write so it is a complete package. I don't need anybody else to read what I write as long as I enjoy reading it myself.
Fortunately for me I have never had to make a living from writing anything. I just do it for fun and to talk to people. I will continue to do that. I am sure I can find somewhere where I can put my stuff. I have a big thank you for those who have said very kind things to me. I like it.
2. There has been some weird suggestion from Kathure specifically that adongo is moving to "bigger and better things". That is rubbish. adongo is just coming to his regular job in Toronto where I have worked for the last 15 years.
I will be back at work on Friday Sept. 7, 2012. I love the job and I will only leave it when I can make a living running my own businesses here in Kenya which is part of the reason I am here. I want to come back home but only if and when I can make a living doing my own stuff. There are no bigger or better things anywhere unless you make them. There is a reason I have never worked for "politicians" and never will. Handouts are dangerous things. You live on them at the risk of your soul. I have none to spare. Thank you very much.
3. I quit jukwaa before yes, when some dude was shitting on it daily and we were forced to sit next to the shit. I refused to do so. When the situation changed I came back. That is not the case today. I am quitting Jukwaa because it is not the forum I joined where we not only debated ideas and issues but also came up with very practical solutions that actually got embraced by many institutions in our country.
We have been leaders in the solution business over katiba issues and in many defining political battles in the country.
People who read and never write in Jukwaa came for that and I have met quite a number of them and now they ask me " What happened to you guys"? I understand exactly what they mean because reading Jukwaa now is quite a task unless you have some little bone to grind.
These things will change with time and Jukwaa will just be fine. adongo also will just be fine.
4. I have also read the comments of usual Neanderthals in the world of ideas. I expect them to say exactly what they are saying. I can't help them. That is their calling. Reminds me of Mr. Destroyer of "Gor Mahia" in Mombasa talking to cops. "Fanya kazi yako mimi na fanya kazi yangu"
5. The pics and the Bondo stories I am going to give oloo to put up. There are just great stuff and since I promised to make them available, I will. We have pulled off some great stuff here in Bondo. Our Bondo Primary Health Project (BOPRI) is in full gear. We just moved yesterday. We are getting a water and sanitation program for schools which is a great project. We are working with several partners including Bondo University College to develop a working mobile health care program in Bondo and hopefully move it to the whole Siaya county. I wish I had two more months to do work here on the ground. But the work will be done.
There is a lot of good stuff going on down here and I want to be part of it. So time is one commodity I have to use better. There is a lot of stuff going on in the country good and bad. I like the good stuff. I am going to participate as I always do.
6. All said I will be talking with Oloo as we always do to put up some of the stuff I have to do. The idea that adongo had some problems with Oloo is far from the truth. Oloo is my buddy and we talk all the time.
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Post by emali on Aug 28, 2012 16:21:49 GMT 3
Your comments above to Phil & RR for starters...you seem quite eager to see them leave. I haven’t been a member long here but I frequent this site quite often and their are many members here who make it worth my while and Adongo was one of the best... Adongo has decided to leave but all you can muster is tell him adios & the rest of the board to follow suit I don’t know maybe it’s because you know him personally & don’t see the big deal but I thought as the moderator this board’s growth or apparent demise would be of concern... 101 viewers and 4 members online may seem to be alright but I think it’s modest & you should be aiming for much more and the way this place has been since Miguna & his tribulations took it over 70 of those viewers might be part of a funeral procession... O.O. has seen it fit to be part of Miguna’s entourage (I wish I had friends like him) leaving you here to according to definition be ‘someone who presides over a forum or debate’ & ‘be someone who mediates disputes and attempts to avoid violence’...IMO you have failed at both much like a football referee the less we hear from you the better...and most of the time that I notice your posts they tend to take a very pugilistic tone... emaliI suggest that since you're new here you go back to archives and see if perhaps you can understand where i'm coming from. rr and phil are Raila sycophants. According to them Raila can do no wrong. He must be super human. there are other resident sycopants here as well. When I was going to bat for Raila I still gave him only critical support because you know what? nobody is perfect. And to be perfectly honest, if those two wanted to leave, I'd tell them not to let the door hit them on the way out. But rest assured they will not. As far as adongo goes, he claims he's leaving the site because he can not take all the miguna this that and the other. First of all i do not buy that, secondly what did you want me to do. ball? nah! Others have urged him to stay. That's fine with me. But it's entirely up to him. Besides, I did wish him bigger and better things. moderating to me doesn't mean that i can't express my opinions, disagree with folks gently or otherwise. Neither does it mean that members can walk all over me and expect to get away with it. you did see that I was censured by the administrator Oloo in the same way that my nemesis reporter 101 was. That is contratry to lies propogated by those who claim that i can get away with whatever i want here. I've said it before and I'm saying it now. No one person has benefited from this forum as much as Raila Odinga has. Many, many of his supporters and ODM opperatives are here every single day because clearly, they view this place as a great place to promote their man. Now that I'm oppossed to him, I can expect that his supporters will attempt to chew and spit me out at every turn. @ Kathure Fair enough...but expressing your opinion very strongly while moderating is a very thin line and especially when the topics are the most volatile which is Jukwaa’s bread & butter i.e. politics, religion, gender issues e.t.c....I don’t also don’t think much of ‘Raila sycophants’ but if Phil, RR & the rest left , Jukwaa would be left with Kamalet & B6K with an occasional digital essay by O.O. on why Marxism is very relevant in today’s Kenya... Again I don’t particularly care much for Kamalets positions (just an example) but were he to leave Jukwaa his effect would be as great as or probably greater than Adongo’s departure...but I’m just a member... We will agree to disagree but I don’t think you can moderate this site adequately (I have seen the archives) while being a very active and opinionated member....
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Post by kamalet on Aug 28, 2012 17:42:51 GMT 3
Moderation is not equal to self cencorship.
Oloo has been moderator, has taken sides in favour of Raila and Raila position quite openly in this forum. He has taken sides on the Miguna saga sometimes quite strongly!
Unless we losing sight of the role of the moderator, stopping Kathure from taking a position (and strongly) on account of being a moderator is wrong/
The role of moderator is to ensure the board maintains decorum which ever side you support!
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Post by reporter911 on Aug 28, 2012 17:53:06 GMT 3
Moderation is not equal to self cencorship. Oloo has been moderator, has taken sides in favour of Raila and Raila position quite openly in this forum. He has taken sides on the Miguna saga sometimes quite strongly! Unless we losing sight of the role of the moderator, stopping Kathure from taking a position (and strongly) on account of being a moderator is wrong/ The role of moderator is to ensure the board maintains decorum which ever side you support! I guess you don't mind the moderator dishing out some of your private information? since you are Quick to use the same privileged members information without members permission and glut about it. no wonder you are in defense mode!
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Post by kamalet on Aug 28, 2012 17:59:02 GMT 3
Moderation is not equal to self cencorship. Oloo has been moderator, has taken sides in favour of Raila and Raila position quite openly in this forum. He has taken sides on the Miguna saga sometimes quite strongly! Unless we losing sight of the role of the moderator, stopping Kathure from taking a position (and strongly) on account of being a moderator is wrong/ The role of moderator is to ensure the board maintains decorum which ever side you support! I guess you don't mind the moderator dishing out some of your private information? since you are Quick to use the same privileged members information without members permission and glut about it. no wonder you are in defense mode! Next time you feel like responding to a post by me, please do not. You only make my judgement of you a lot worse.
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Post by reporter911 on Aug 28, 2012 18:06:08 GMT 3
I guess you don't mind the moderator dishing out some of your private information? since you are Quick to use the same privileged members information without members permission and glut about it. no wonder you are in defense mode! Next time you feel like responding to a post by me, please do not. You only make my judgement of you a lot worse. You must be so arrogant, self-centered individual ;D I careless about your judgment of me? who are you? NOTHING" to me.. back off this is an open forum.. I have the right to my opinion on any post any member posts on here, but if you come with insults you will get back tenfold.. it as if some people are synchronizing attacks on me..keep them coming pal I ain't scared off easily !! I'm here for the long haul ;D ;D
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Post by patriotism101 on Aug 29, 2012 6:55:49 GMT 3
rr, 1st red highlight -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Jukwaaists: I know both of you beyond this forum. I plead with both of you to keep non-Jukwaa matters away from the forum. Please. I am writing after browsing a thread brought to my attention by a concerned Jukwaa member. Since I have been away dodging hooligans I have missed many exchanges. Onyango Oloo Jukwaa Administrator « Last Edit: Yesterday at 4:51am by Onyango Oloo » Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7321#ixzz24pbWknOXi do not read anywhere above asking her to resign. And by the way why are you bringing your mother here? We all have mothers; and i would not enjoy discussing my mama's bed mate(s) preferences unless you have not outgrown the Oedepus complex and still stay under her roof! 2nd red so what about my views on The Second Sex? stimulates (+/-) 1. I believe that once again, you are missing the point. Oloo was warning her against unbecoming behaviour. Behaviour that I (and others) think should have warranted immediate resignation. Or you think that only Oloo is allowed to call for resignation of a moderator? I only reference Oloo's thread to alert you that she is not being asked to resign for nothing. 2. I only bring up my mother because she is an age-mate of Kathure. It references the gap in our ages and the respect I should accord her. In my African culture, we are required to respect all women who are as old as our mothers. But being of that age, such women are required to behave with decorum. I do not believe the reports we read about her assailing Reporters brother is respectable behaviour for a woman as old as my mother. Hiyo tu! 3. I have some definite views about the 'Second Sex' and feminism generally. I will need to compose them later. Cheers, RR, I take it that you are privy to KK's age, but how does sharing this fact with the board help you advance your case. In any case who cares about your African culture and how "old" women should carry themselves? I have called for the removal of KK as a moderator but I dont think hitting her below the belt is justified. An apology may be appropriate. Senti 5
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Post by roughrider on Aug 29, 2012 18:44:32 GMT 3
1. I believe that once again, you are missing the point. Oloo was warning her against unbecoming behaviour. Behaviour that I (and others) think should have warranted immediate resignation. Or you think that only Oloo is allowed to call for resignation of a moderator? I only reference Oloo's thread to alert you that she is not being asked to resign for nothing. 2. I only bring up my mother because she is an age-mate of Kathure. It references the gap in our ages and the respect I should accord her. In my African culture, we are required to respect all women who are as old as our mothers. But being of that age, such women are required to behave with decorum. I do not believe the reports we read about her assailing Reporters brother is respectable behaviour for a woman as old as my mother. Hiyo tu! 3. I have some definite views about the 'Second Sex' and feminism generally. I will need to compose them later. Cheers, RR, I take it that you are privy to KK's age, but how does sharing this fact with the board help you advance your case. In any case who cares about your African culture and how "old" women should carry themselves? I have called for the removal of KK as a moderator but I dont think hitting her below the belt is justified. An apology may be appropriate. Senti 5 You are probably right, it is possible nobody cares about my African culture. Anyhow, KK was on my case 6 or 7 times unprovoked and despite my respectful warnings, she persisted. After the last such tirade, I decided to fire a more direct warning shot. Now I will be happy if she and I can ignore each other. But, of course, this is nothing compared to what else we can 'discuss' if she wants to go down that road.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2012 19:31:03 GMT 3
RR, I take it that you are privy to KK's age, but how does sharing this fact with the board help you advance your case. In any case who cares about your African culture and how "old" women should carry themselves? I have called for the removal of KK as a moderator but I dont think hitting her below the belt is justified. An apology may be appropriate. Senti 5 You are probably right, it is possible nobody cares about my African culture. Anyhow, KK was on my case 6 or 7 times unprovoked and despite my respectful warnings, she persisted. After the last such tirade, I decided to fire a more direct warning shot. Now I will be happy if she and I can ignore each other. But, of course, this is nothing compared to what else we can 'discuss' if she wants to go down that road. roughriderthis is a threat. When I've got a chance, I'll be here to respond to your comments directed at me on this thread. In the mean time, I did want to sign in to let you know that you should ready whatever it is that you "can discuss". You see, I shan't ignore what you've said. Someone else @ jukwaa asked you who the woman in your avatar is. Don't know if you responded. May have missed it. I too am wondering. Is that your wife, mother, who? Just curious
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Post by roughrider on Aug 29, 2012 19:47:00 GMT 3
roughriderthis is a threat. Kathure, Greetings! No threats. I am only requesting - with lots of respect - that we desist from making unprovoked comments about each other. Let us just debate the issues - is that too much to ask? I now gather that my request for you immediate resignation has been ignored. No problem. Let us move on. I will respect you. Thanks and cheers! PS: As for the picture - I am surprised you do not know her. So many people in Kenya seem to!
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