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Post by podp on Sept 20, 2015 21:31:05 GMT 3
Meanwhile, the president is to address himself on this matter here shortly. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ some speech, comparing mangoes with bananas. if Presidents' are mangoes this little story www.africaranking.com/highest-paid-african-presidents/5/would have helped when saying Kenya's teachers are the 3rd highest paid in Africa! he wants to drag us to the Nyayo era. ike a good student of Moi our current PORK wants us to compare ourselves with the lowest beneath us. hear him 'The lowest-paid teacher in Kenya earns seven times as much as his counterpart in Burundi. The lowest paid teacher in Uganda earns the equivalent of KSh. 7,600; the lowest paid in Tanzania KSh. 15,800, compared to the lowest-paid Kenyan teacher who takes home over Ksh. 23,000. Indeed, Kenya’s teachers are the third-highest paid on the continent, after Morocco and South Africa both of whose economies are larger ours.' Read more at: standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000177019/president-uhuru-kenyatta-s-statement-on-teachers-strike?articleID=2000177019&story_title=president-uhuru-kenyatta-s-statement-on-teachers-strike&pageNo=2or better still try comparing the loans we got from the Chinese for the SGR whose benefits are obvious with the sure issue of having an educated population by making primary to university education 'free', rather than turn all youths into manual laborers as Ni-Ya-Sweety misuse of young people is being touted as the best thing that is available after sliced bread. then the usual amnesia of us Kenyans, rejecting the courts' ruling and not reminding us it is the same courts' that has made us have a nusu mate government of uhu-ru-to! could it have been a diversion of non agreement on who to be the cabinet secretaries? last time David Okuta died, will Sossion too die or the uhu-ru-to nusu mate will split. interesting times ahead folks. like hyenas the Cord brigade is waiting to pick pieces or will the Luhyas for once be the ones to salvage ouru? more pop corn please “A government that disobeys court orders should be disobeyed because the judicial authority is derived from the people,” read one of the placards carried by the activists while another placard read, “Court Ordered government to Pay Teachers Not to Close Schools.” www.nation.co.ke/news/Activists-threaten-mass-action-over-teachers-strike/-/1056/2878258/-/sh6024z/-/index.htmll
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Sept 20, 2015 22:25:45 GMT 3
Professor: The president has finally spoken. We can debate the accuracy of his 'facts' or lack thereof later.
The message from him tonight was that, he has already laid ground for the hard decisions that have to be taken if it comes to that, and that, increasing teachers salaries is NOT one of those decisions.
The ball is now in the court of KNUT and their political wing CORD.
~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~
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Post by OtishOtish on Sept 20, 2015 22:30:56 GMT 3
Meanwhile, the president is to address himself on this matter here shortly. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ some speech, comparing mangoes with bananas. if Presidents' are mangoes this little story www.africaranking.com/highest-paid-african-presidents/5/would have helped when saying Kenya's teachers are the 3rd highest paid in Africa! he wants to drag us to the Nyayo era. ike a good student of Moi our current PORK wants us to compare ourselves with the lowest beneath us. hear him 'The lowest-paid teacher in Kenya earns seven times as much as his counterpart in Burundi. The lowest paid teacher in Uganda earns the equivalent of KSh. 7,600; the lowest paid in Tanzania KSh. 15,800, compared to the lowest-paid Kenyan teacher who takes home over Ksh. 23,000. Indeed, Kenya’s teachers are the third-highest paid on the continent, after Morocco and South Africa both of whose economies are larger ours.' Read more at: standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000177019/president-uhuru-kenyatta-s-statement-on-teachers-strike?articleID=2000177019&story_title=president-uhuru-kenyatta-s-statement-on-teachers-strike&pageNo=2or better still try comparing the loans we got from the Chinese for the SGR whose benefits are obvious with the sure issue of having an educated population by making primary to university education 'free', rather than turn all youths into manual laborers as Ni-Ya-Sweety misuse of young people is being touted as the best thing that is available after sliced bread. then the usual amnesia of us Kenyans, rejecting the courts' ruling and not reminding us it is the same courts' that has made us have a nusu mate government of uhu-ru-to! could it have been a diversion of non agreement on who to be the cabinet secretaries? last time David Okuta died, will Sossion too die or the uhu-ru-to nusu mate will split. interesting times ahead folks. like hyenas the Cord brigade is waiting to pick pieces or will the Luhyas for once be the ones to salvage ouru? more pop corn please “A government that disobeys court orders should be disobeyed because the judicial authority is derived from the people,” read one of the placards carried by the activists while another placard read, “Court Ordered government to Pay Teachers Not to Close Schools.” www.nation.co.ke/news/Activists-threaten-mass-action-over-teachers-strike/-/1056/2878258/-/sh6024z/-/index.htmlAs mwalimukuu indicated, he was addressing himself---not Kenyans or anyone else. Had the latter been the case, one would have been quite right to point out that: (a) Kenyan teachers who teach in Kenya generally don't live in Burundi, Uganda, etc. Their expenses are Kenyan ones, and their Kenyan salaries should be considered on that basis. (b) To the extent that "benchmarking" against those countries is useful, he should start with PORK, DPORK, MPigs, cabinet secretaries and vigorously argue that paying them Burundi salaries would make a huge dent in the public-wage bill.
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Post by podp on Sept 20, 2015 23:35:43 GMT 3
Professor: The president has finally spoken. We can debate the accuracy of his 'facts' or lack thereof later.The message from him tonight was that, he has already laid ground for the hard decisions that have to be taken if it comes to that, and that, increasing teachers salaries is NOT one of those decisions. The ball is now in the court of KNUT and their political wing CORD.~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ 1st red high light 'Lack of honesty. When Uhuru was quoting salary comparisons between Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania, he forgot to compare cost of living and systems of education in such nation. in fact Kenyan teachers working in Uganda and Tanzania , Burundi and Rwanda are paid far much better than in Kenya. most Kenyan private schools pay teachers far much better than Kenyan government. very good example is the peponi schools owned by Kenyatta family.' is what I read on a fb discussion of a passionate lady discussant. is PORK becoming an activist like the guys calling for a week of rage? or was he on lemonade to mask the 'fact' that he was drunk on single malt whisky and he half understood what he was reading? 2nd red high light "Do not look where you fell, but where you slipped." Afrikan proverb
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Sept 20, 2015 23:55:05 GMT 3
Professor:
I don't know about lemonades and whiskey, the little I say about them the better.
This is what I know: Majority of Kenyan teachers working in Burundi, Rwanda etc are hired as expatriates, on contractual terms and without benefits.
Of course some of the higher cost private and international schools offer very competitive packages, but how many are they? In fact majority of privates high teachers who are unable to join TSC and compensate them at lower rates.
Indeed the number of teachers moving from private to public by far surpasses those moving the other way. You can be sure issues of remuneration, job security, pension etc affect these decisions.
~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~
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Post by OtishOtish on Sept 21, 2015 4:28:54 GMT 3
www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Uhuru-rules-out-pay-rise-for-teachers/-/1064/2878398/-/trf21u/-/index.htmlQuite a speech. His Excellency apparently started with a strong comment on the cost of living and then concluded with seemingly random observations on salaries elsewhere, apparently unaware of any other connection between pay and cost of living. (Mind you, the guy has never had to actually live on a salary.) Given the Alice-In-Wonderland logic, perhaps the teachers should tell him that increasing their salaries will reduce the cost of living in Burundi, Uganda, or wherever. And it appears that this is not about fairness, calendars, or 8-4-4. The reasoning is that the closure will improve security in schools. If there has been some trouble in a few public schools, is closing all of them the first solution that should come to mind? And how does closing private schools, where things seemed to proceeding as usual, improve the security in public schools? Still, it is reported that: So perhaps this is all just one big joke.
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Post by podp on Sept 21, 2015 17:53:04 GMT 3
Professor: I don't know about lemonades and whiskey, the little I say about them the better. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ The people are saying that the president was a reluctant candidate who only ran for office to avoid the ICC. They’re saying that he loves his drink more than anything else. We, Kenyans, substitute the word alcoholism with “loves to drink”. Stories abound about our president’s drinking escapades; how official guests at State House are kept waiting as his handlers try to sober him up. Of the president showing up late at state functions reeking of alcohol. There are many more but l would rather not tell them all. His lack of decisive leadership is being felt. His public erratic behavior and look might point to a lack of a work ethic, a common trait with alcoholics.
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Post by podp on Sept 21, 2015 18:03:34 GMT 3
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Sept 21, 2015 18:49:14 GMT 3
Professor:
I see you have been persuaded by the fertile imagination of one Boniface Mwangi, I leave it to you. Can we now go back to mwalimu issues? Teachers' case is still in court, the court will speak here in a few days, after which the government will act accordingly. The president has already drawn the line, and assured all and sundry that the government and other institutions involved have the will and the capability to act in the interest of mwanafunzi to solve this problem once and for all. We just need to be patient for another couple of days.
~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~
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Post by podp on Sept 21, 2015 19:02:55 GMT 3
Professor: I see you have been persuaded by the fertile imagination of one Boniface Mwangi, I leave it to you. Can we now go back to mwalimu issues? Teachers' case is still in court, the court will speak here in a few days, after which the government will act accordingly. The president has already drawn the line, and assured all and sundry that the government and other institutions involved have the will and the capability to act in the interest of mwanafunzi to solve this problem once and for all. We just need to be patient for another couple of days. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ indeed let us forget the imagination of Boniface Mwangi, there are so many cases or is it a concluded one? today this appears on news "Learning in private schools was going on smoothly until a circular was issued last week Friday. Private school teachers have no issue with their employers and the children have no any reason to be away from their classes. The decision is illegal and (goes) against the rights of the private school owners and that of the children,” lawyer Muturi Kamande, for KPSA stated." standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000177101/high-court-suspends-order-on-private-schools-closureso you want me to believe the president and his army of advisors did not anticipate this embarrassment? or they will disobey by issuing a second circular closing the private schools with some twisted logic like in Somali children do not go to school? Knut is seeking to have the eight State officers jailed for disobeying court orders directing that teachers be paid a 50-60 percent pay rise. The case will be mentioned on Friday for further directions. www.nation.co.ke/news/TSC-defends-Lydia-Nzomo-in-contempt-suit/-/1056/2879566/-/1184eb/-/index.htmlthen there is this one "A failure to comply with our order will lead to an automatic collapse of the appeal filed by TSC,” the judges had ruled. Knut, in its application filed through lawyer John Mbaluto, has said the TSC should not be heard because it failed to comply with the orders issued on July 23. www.nation.co.ke/news/Knut-TSC-appeal-case/-/1056/2878518/-/5f6b2d/-/index.htmlor are these court cases products of fertile imaginations? lawyers must be the happiest people in all this matters hence some Kenyans are beginning to behave strangely or is it taking a leaf from PORK. “He wanted to know if the school had obeyed the president’s directive but I clearly told him it was a non-issue to us,” he said. www.nation.co.ke/counties/nakuru/Police-attack-arrest-journalist-in-Nakuru/-/1183314/2879526/-/r0ml4j/-/index.htmlfertile imagination in deed drawing blood
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Sept 21, 2015 19:31:22 GMT 3
Professor:
We are actually splitting hairs here for no any known good reason. We are agreed that judges are seized of mwalimu issues, they will as you have cleared outlined above, give directions. After they speak, the president has a mandate and responsibility, he has already reminded us so and given us his word that he will act accordingly. On private schools, the government gave her position, which in its own view was the right thing to do, the court has said otherwise. The government has not refused to comply. However, if exams are pushed to say March next year (mark my usage of the word if), do you realize parents will have to pay these schools extra fees?
~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~
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Post by OtishOtish on Sept 21, 2015 20:00:56 GMT 3
so you want me to believe the president and his army of advisors did not anticipate this embarrassment? Even non-learning "learners" in those primary schools can easily that the main issues in, and the reasons given for, the wild-eyed closure have nothing to do with them and their schools. But when the "best" advice comes from Mr. J. Walker and the subsequent speech is written by Mr. D. Itumbi, the results are likely to be ... shall we say "novel"? Given they way they have been going, I wouldn't be surprised if they insisted that all courts be shut down, with Uhuru insisting that " can't listen, won't listen".
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Sept 23, 2015 17:41:37 GMT 3
The Uhuru Park rally has just ended. If teachers expected anything from CORD, they must be a very disappointed group. Apart from the uniform drama, the rally turned into an Ann Waiguru bashing, calling Uhuru names and finally ended with the launching of a pay bill number to fund-raise for 2017 campaigns, all in the name of solidarity with teachers.
~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~
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Post by podp on Sept 24, 2015 10:08:29 GMT 3
The Uhuru Park rally has just ended. If teachers expected anything from CORD, they must be a very disappointed group. Apart from the uniform drama, the rally turned into an Ann Waiguru bashing, calling Uhuru names and finally ended with the launching of a pay bill number to fund-raise for 2017 campaigns, all in the name of solidarity with teachers. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ teachers do have KNUT and KUPPET. if things turn elephant there is COTU and all others, some listed here softkenya.com/information/trade-unions-in-kenya/ to expect anything i.e. moral support, etc. it does not make sense to turn 'Kenyan teachers are effectively on strike' heading into a CORD affair. CORD is using the opportunity of Jubilee doing badly to gain political mileage and that is clever of them, or you wanted them to be sycophants of PORK's behavior 'His lack of decisive leadership is being felt. His public erratic behavior and look might point to a lack of a work ethic, a common trait with alcoholics.' churches, in particular the catholics have made an offer www.nation.co.ke/news/Church-offers-mediate-in-pay-dispute/-/1056/2882280/-/1uvb9i/-/index.html expecting a similar offer from CORD would be strange as their business is to discredit Jubilee so that they may replace them not pamper them as the catholics are doing. and teachers may be expectant that the catholics offer is taken up by Jubilee government but it would really be strange if CORD clapped and supported the catholics. as long as the matter remains unsolved it would be wise for CORD to gain as much political mileage as they can and their points made at the just concluded rally point to that direction, 'all in the name of solidarity with teachers'. hate them, but give it to them, CORD is more in the news than Jubilee and its alcoholic PORK who is neither attending UNGA nor solving the teachers grave matter, but probably intoxicated with the single malt
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Sept 24, 2015 16:37:01 GMT 3
Professor:
I do not hate CORD, but CORD hates itself. You only need to run clips from Uhuru Park and you will come to the sad conclusion that this is a rudderless group, no serious Kenyan will want to associate with them. How do you spend the whole afternoon 'talking' about teachers problems, only to be laughed out of town by everyone including mwalimus for a boyish approach, in full school uniform to very serious matters? They are a disgrace my friend, malt or no malt. In fact, I would forgive them if they were on malt at Uhuru Park.
CORD thought they would take advantage of the teachers' misguided strike to con Kenyans of their little money like they did with Molasses, Kazi kwa Vijana and Mumias, but Kenyans read through the whole lie even before they left Uhuru Park. As you may already know, Raila, Kalonzo and Karua are all jobless. How then can a right thinking Kenyan including mwalimus send them money through an account they set up themselves and them alone will manage and have access to? One must be a fool to buy such crap.
So as you can see, CORD being in the news is for all the wrong reasons. They are not gaining any mileage nor political traction, they are actually exposing and portraying themselves in very bad light. Teachers today, will listen to Jubilee more than they will listen to CORD, even those who might have thought that CORD had a better plan as government in waiting. If anything, for Jubilee Uhuru Park was a blessing, I am sure you know this.
~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~
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Post by podp on Sept 24, 2015 21:55:16 GMT 3
Professor:I do not hate CORD, but CORD hates itself. You only need to run clips from Uhuru Park and you will come to the sad conclusion that this is a rudderless group, no serious Kenyan will want to associate with them. How do you spend the whole afternoon 'talking' about teachers problems, only to be laughed out of town by everyone including mwalimus for a boyish approach, in full school uniform to very serious matters? They are a disgrace my friend, malt or no malt. In fact, I would forgive them if they were on malt at Uhuru Park. CORD thought they would take advantage of the teachers' misguided strike to con Kenyans of their little money like they did with Molasses, Kazi kwa Vijana and Mumias, but Kenyans read through the whole lie even before they left Uhuru Park. As you may already know, Raila, Kalonzo and Karua are all jobless. How then can a right thinking Kenyan including mwalimus send them money through an account they set up themselves and them alone will manage and have access to? One must be a fool to buy such crap. So as you can see, CORD being in the news is for all the wrong reasons. They are not gaining any mileage nor political traction, they are actually exposing and portraying themselves in very bad light. Teachers today, will listen to Jubilee more than they will listen to CORD, even those who might have thought that CORD had a better plan as government in waiting. If anything, for Jubilee Uhuru Park was a blessing, I am sure you know this. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ and that is what should be focused on. it is Jubilee in power so wasting energy and time on CORD does not attract my attention too. as a fb book friend I have who also has your trait of avoiding criticizing the Jubilants told me on 10 points his most hilarious was No. 5 that reads '5. Take CORD's handling of the teachers strike. CORD hasnt provided any actionable solution to the strike. They could for example go to the people and convince them to sign a petition compelling the government to pay teachers and obey court order. A petition is protected in law and the government has to take action to discuss or even implement it.' why not pass actionables solutions to Jubilee that is in power instead of beating a 'dead' horse I keep wondering? maybe your aim is to pull wool over us by not pointing out the rifts between PORK and deputy PORK. alcoholic PORK. Waiguru thieving and not being made to step aside as Chirchir of chicken gate fame. in a nut shel diversion from the subject matter 'Kenyan teachers are effectively on strike'. it is week 4 and what magic is Jubilee coming up to get the 14M children back in school? teachers back in class? so that we can retrain our guns on Waiguru, alcoholic PORK, ICC on deputy PORK and all other matters not to do with "Kenyan teachers are effectively on strike"? 'Ordinarily, the teachers invigilate, supervise, and mark exams at all levels. At the secondary school level, they organise and make the preparations for practicals. Staying without being taught for a month is torturous enough, but having the exams without teachers is tragic.' www.nation.co.ke/oped/Editorial/End-this-stalemate-so-that-exams-can-go-on/-/440804/2883128/-/j6flugz/-/index.htmlwhat is Jubilee going to do to alleviate the above? spare us CORD this or CORD that. it is Jubilee's watch.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Sept 25, 2015 0:35:00 GMT 3
Professor:I do not hate CORD, but CORD hates itself. You only need to run clips from Uhuru Park and you will come to the sad conclusion that this is a rudderless group, no serious Kenyan will want to associate with them. How do you spend the whole afternoon 'talking' about teachers problems, only to be laughed out of town by everyone including mwalimus for a boyish approach, in full school uniform to very serious matters? They are a disgrace my friend, malt or no malt. In fact, I would forgive them if they were on malt at Uhuru Park. CORD thought they would take advantage of the teachers' misguided strike to con Kenyans of their little money like they did with Molasses, Kazi kwa Vijana and Mumias, but Kenyans read through the whole lie even before they left Uhuru Park. As you may already know, Raila, Kalonzo and Karua are all jobless. How then can a right thinking Kenyan including mwalimus send them money through an account they set up themselves and them alone will manage and have access to? One must be a fool to buy such crap. So as you can see, CORD being in the news is for all the wrong reasons. They are not gaining any mileage nor political traction, they are actually exposing and portraying themselves in very bad light. Teachers today, will listen to Jubilee more than they will listen to CORD, even those who might have thought that CORD had a better plan as government in waiting. If anything, for Jubilee Uhuru Park was a blessing, I am sure you know this. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ and that is what should be focused on. it is Jubilee in power so wasting energy and time on CORD does not attract my attention too. as a fb book friend I have who also has your trait of avoiding criticizing the Jubilants told me on 10 points his most hilarious was No. 5 that reads '5. Take CORD's handling of the teachers strike. CORD hasnt provided any actionable solution to the strike. They could for example go to the people and convince them to sign a petition compelling the government to pay teachers and obey court order. A petition is protected in law and the government has to take action to discuss or even implement it.' why not pass actionables solutions to Jubilee that is in power instead of beating a 'dead' horse I keep wondering? maybe your aim is to pull wool over us by not pointing out the rifts between PORK and deputy PORK. alcoholic PORK. Waiguru thieving and not being made to step aside as Chirchir of chicken gate fame. in a nut shel diversion from the subject matter 'Kenyan teachers are effectively on strike'. it is week 4 and what magic is Jubilee coming up to get the 14M children back in school? teachers back in class? so that we can retrain our guns on Waiguru, alcoholic PORK, ICC on deputy PORK and all other matters not to do with "Kenyan teachers are effectively on strike"? 'Ordinarily, the teachers invigilate, supervise, and mark exams at all levels. At the secondary school level, they organise and make the preparations for practicals. Staying without being taught for a month is torturous enough, but having the exams without teachers is tragic.' www.nation.co.ke/oped/Editorial/End-this-stalemate-so-that-exams-can-go-on/-/440804/2883128/-/j6flugz/-/index.htmlwhat is Jubilee going to do to alleviate the above? spare us CORD this or CORD that. it is Jubilee's watch. Professor:Yes, it is Jubilee's watch and its leader, Uhuru Kenyatta told you in black and white last Sunday that HAKUNA PESA, and that the little matter to do with teachers is being handled by relevant government agencies. Once the courts are done, TSC, SRC and the ministry will take over and finish whatever else that will be pending. Jubilee government has demonstrated that it will not run away from this problem, they will not take Uhuru Park shortcuts. They know that, it is courtesy of such shortcuts (beginning with Kalonzo, to Kibaki, to Raila) that we are where are with teachers right now. Jubilee wants to have peace in their 20 year rule, and focus on money generating programs such as SGR, Port, irrigation etc. It is in their interest to therefore take care of the current situation once and for all, and they will. If anything, our own secretary general Sossion told us of how Illinois teachers remained on strike for over eight months, we have done only three weeks so far. So mos mos professor, this will come to pass and everyone will be happy. Meanwhile don't put your money in that m-pesa thing launched at Uhuru Park, you will cry in the toilet my friend. If you think I am kidding, ask poor farmers of Kisumu who put their money in the molasses, they have never received even a dime in return, 20 years and counting, some have died poorer than mwalimu. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~
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Post by podp on Sept 25, 2015 19:31:19 GMT 3
what is Jubilee going to do to alleviate the above? spare us CORD this or CORD that. it is Jubilee's watch. Professor:Yes, it is Jubilee's watch and its leader, Uhuru Kenyatta told you in black and white last Sunday that HAKUNA PESA, and that the little matter to do with teachers is being handled by relevant government agencies. Once the courts are done, TSC, SRC and the ministry will take over and finish whatever else that will be pending. Jubilee government has demonstrated that it will not run away from this problem, they will not take Uhuru Park shortcuts. They know that, it is courtesy of such shortcuts (beginning with Kalonzo, to Kibaki, to Raila) that we are where are with teachers right now. Jubilee wants to have peace in their 20 year rule, and focus on money generating programs such as SGR, Port, irrigation etc. It is in their interest to therefore take care of the current situation once and for all, and they will. If anything, our own secretary general Sossion told us of how Illinois teachers remained on strike for over eight months, we have done only three weeks so far. So mos mos professor, this will come to pass and everyone will be happy. Meanwhile don't put your money in that m-pesa thing launched at Uhuru Park, you will cry in the toilet my friend. If you think I am kidding, ask poor farmers of Kisumu who put their money in the molasses, they have never received even a dime in return, 20 years and counting, some have died poorer than mwalimu. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ one of the 6 issues is what you call 'little matter....will come to pass and everyone will be happy'. and we will live happily ever after despite the likes of the gem dealer below doing a libel on PORK and Ni Ya Sweatie overworked CS. How it would have been nice to have her in Education as the CS.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Sept 26, 2015 0:47:24 GMT 3
Professor:
One of the courts has spoken, by ordering teachers to resume duties as their matter is being 'looked into'. What does this mean? That the innocent children being punished by teachers and their union for no any apparent reason will be back in school in a couple of days, and normal schedule will resume. Exams will take off as scheduled and the calendar will run as expected. If teachers refuse to go back, the government will have even a better reason to fire them.
In the meantime, there are two cases still ongoing. One by KNUT on need for the courts to compel TSC and ministry of education to pay teachers their salaries as ordered earlier, and another by TSC and SRC on usurpation of their powers by the courts. KNUT has already expressed desire to withdraw from the latter case promoting judges to accept adjournment of sittings as per their request. As you can see, whereas the government retains a number of options including the wildest of the wild cards, teachers through KNUT have boxed themselves in. They either go back to work or lose jobs.
While all these pieces are moving as they are, your friends in CORD are still trying to figure out what really happened to them at Uhuru Park. One of them was heard saying at the press conference that the Waiguru curse was hovering over their heads like an eagle that had spotted a lonely chick in a chicken-mesh (it was on a lighter note, but the more you think about it and the happenings at Uhuru Park, the more you appreciate the possibility of it being true).
~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~
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Post by podp on Sept 26, 2015 7:55:40 GMT 3
Professor:One of the courts has spoken, by ordering teachers to resume duties as their matter is being 'looked into'. What does this mean? That the innocent children being punished by teachers and their union for no any apparent reason will be back in school in a couple of days, and normal schedule will resume. Exams will take off as scheduled and the calendar will run as expected. If teachers refuse to go back, the government will have even a better reason to fire them.In the meantime, there are two cases still ongoing. One by KNUT on need for the courts to compel TSC and ministry of education to pay teachers their salaries as ordered earlier, and another by TSC and SRC on usurpation of their powers by the courts. KNUT has already expressed desire to withdraw from the latter case promoting judges to accept adjournment of sittings as per their request. As you can see, whereas the government retains a number of options including the wildest of the wild cards, teachers through KNUT have boxed themselves in. They either go back to work or lose jobs. While all these pieces are moving as they are, your friends in CORD are still trying to figure out what really happened to them at Uhuru Park. One of them was heard saying at the press conference that the Waiguru curse was hovering over their heads like an eagle that had spotted a lonely chick in a chicken-mesh (it was on a lighter note, but the more you think about it and the happenings at Uhuru Park, the more you appreciate the possibility of it being true). ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ Knut's take Kuppet's take versus GoK take 'In a statement to newsrooms on Monday, Education PS Belio Kipsang said the schools will close on November 20. "No schools should levy any extra fees on parents in the pretext 0of covering costs associated with the pay dispute," Kipsang said. He said schools that had been closed will extend the term by a week and forego the half term break. "The remaining lost time will be recovered in the subsquent term of school calendar year 2016," he said, adding that the calendar will soon be released.' - See more at: www.the-star.co.ke/news/government-orders-schools-reopen-monday#sthash.sURiP7DQ.dpuf some nice end to an ugly incident
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 27, 2015 21:51:53 GMT 3
MwalimuMkuu What does this mean? "That the innocent children being punished by teachers and their union for no any apparent reason! Will now .." You may want to think first on that nonsense. --the strike is, according to you, a mere punishment of innocent children for no any apparent reason?? You dumbed yourself down too Much mheshimiwa! You are in danger of goat-thinking like the administratively imbecile Kaimenyi. Professor:One of the courts has spoken, by ordering teachers to resume duties as their matter is being 'looked into'. What does this mean? That the innocent children being punished by teachers and their union for no any apparent reason will be back in school in a couple of days, and normal schedule will resume. Exams will take off as scheduled and the calendar will run as expected. If teachers refuse to go back, the government will have even a better reason to fire them. In the meantime, there are two cases still ongoing. One by KNUT on need for the courts to compel TSC and ministry of education to pay teachers their salaries as ordered earlier, and another by TSC and SRC on usurpation of their powers by the courts. KNUT has already expressed desire to withdraw from the latter case promoting judges to accept adjournment of sittings as per their request. As you can see, whereas the government retains a number of options including the wildest of the wild cards, teachers through KNUT have boxed themselves in. They either go back to work or lose jobs. While all these pieces are moving as they are, your friends in CORD are still trying to figure out what really happened to them at Uhuru Park. One of them was heard saying at the press conference that the Waiguru curse was hovering over their heads like an eagle that had spotted a lonely chick in a chicken-mesh (it was on a lighter note, but the more you think about it and the happenings at Uhuru Park, the more you appreciate the possibility of it being true). ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~
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Post by kamalet on Sept 28, 2015 10:38:58 GMT 3
MwalimuMkuu What does this mean? "That the innocent children being punished by teachers and their union for no any apparent reason! Will now .." You may want to think first on that nonsense. --the strike is, according to you, a mere punishment of innocent children for no any apparent reason?? You dumbed yourself down too Much mheshimiwa! You are in danger of goat-thinking like the administratively imbecile Kaimenyi. Professor:One of the courts has spoken, by ordering teachers to resume duties as their matter is being 'looked into'. What does this mean? That the innocent children being punished by teachers and their union for no any apparent reason will be back in school in a couple of days, and normal schedule will resume. Exams will take off as scheduled and the calendar will run as expected. If teachers refuse to go back, the government will have even a better reason to fire them. In the meantime, there are two cases still ongoing. One by KNUT on need for the courts to compel TSC and ministry of education to pay teachers their salaries as ordered earlier, and another by TSC and SRC on usurpation of their powers by the courts. KNUT has already expressed desire to withdraw from the latter case promoting judges to accept adjournment of sittings as per their request. As you can see, whereas the government retains a number of options including the wildest of the wild cards, teachers through KNUT have boxed themselves in. They either go back to work or lose jobs. While all these pieces are moving as they are, your friends in CORD are still trying to figure out what really happened to them at Uhuru Park. One of them was heard saying at the press conference that the Waiguru curse was hovering over their heads like an eagle that had spotted a lonely chick in a chicken-mesh (it was on a lighter note, but the more you think about it and the happenings at Uhuru Park, the more you appreciate the possibility of it being true). ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ Jakaswanga Ever heard of the statement about elephants fighting and the grass being the one that suffers? I think that is what our good old headmaster was alluding to. On the teachers saga, I think our courts have come out to create more confusion than work to resolve the matter!!! If we were to trace the cases, they all started when the TSC went to court to stop a planned strike by teachers. This should have been a simple and straightforward matter, but the court decided to venture into matters that had not been prayed for by the TSC (applicant), i.e. awarding a salary increase and even determining how it would be paid. And all this before a trade dispute was declared! Then TSC went to the court of appeal where they were allowed to serve the unions with appeal but with no stay of the lower court orders - actually the court ordered that the awarded amounts be paid or the appeal would fail. TSC then went to court to complain that the unions had ordered a strike without due process and the Labour court judge whilst declining to declare the strike illegal, declared that the same strike was unprotected for failing to follow the law. On the other hand, the unions went to court to say that the TSC was in contempt of court for not paying the salaries as ordered. In the meantime the TSC went to the Supreme Court to appeal the order to make payments by the Appeal Court and the Supreme Court failed to grant any orders on the basis that there was no active appeal in the Court of Appeal (any one can suggest how there was no appeal yet the Appeal Court had made orders being appealed!!) So when the judge made a ruling on friday, it was on the contempt proceedings previously filed by the Unions. The judge went ahead and made rulings on matters not prayed for and which technically lie in an appeal. By directing the teachers to abandon their strike or even the unions and TSC to meet and resolve the matter within 90 days, he adjudicated on matters I do not believe were before him. When he ordered TSC not to victimise any teachers, he inferred that their salaries should not be withheld in punishment for taking part in an unprotected strike. One surely must wonder what salary TSC is supposed to pay as there are issues still in court. With the orders of the lower court suggesting a way out of the mess, there is an appeal matter later this week where the TSC, SRC and GOK have still to make their case to stall the additional payments in the Court of Appeal and it is not even clear what the ruling will be. The judiciary has, in my view, failed to show leadership where the political and executive arms of government have failed. I hold the view that we have a bad constitution as it has led to this confusion! What should happen when all this has settled, is legislative action to guarantee the employees right to strike and picket, but also regulate how that right is exercised to ensure that we do not have a similar incident where strikes have a direct human impact on Kenyans as well as protect the rights of employers in trade relations. In the UK, the aftermath of the Coalminers' strike helped re-write the labour relations law and this is much better in the Uk where unions and employers relate in a more responsible manner.
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 28, 2015 18:15:06 GMT 3
Kamalet,
Constitutions, I am ready to argue, do not come as ready-made fits, which then automatically readjust to the shapely contours of the wearer, thereby outrageously outlining head-turning curves and scandalising the pious and hypocritical chastely's! Constitutions are a rough gem which, as a cut-out homework, are a work in progress which ever require the proverbial burning of the midnight oil by a nation's legislators and sages, to operationalise it into a national shrine if not holy relic. A mediator of conflict.
Now, we all know –-given we call them Mpigs-- that our LEGICO delegates are a lot that ever snore on the job, save when it is to raise their constipationary propensities! Then do they in garrulous obscenity, discover and give new meaning to the concept of bipartisanship and solidarity in evil-doery! --- We thus can remember for a fact, that the tenth parliament under the Raila-Kibaki tandem and moderated by the sagely pretender Kenneth Otiato Marende, then the famous speaker, slept on the job –--failing to author bills on significant sectors which would operationalise the constitution, as in being adequately debated before being passed into law.
I remember the face of the late (Kethi's father) Mutula Kilonzo on a day which more than 12 bills were rushed through parliament in half a night, to avoid a constitutional crisis, because a definitive deadline loomed. The famous lawyer (cum sometimes pedophiliac suspect) had the face of a bad bomb-maker who knows the deliverer would be the victim rather than the intended target. There would be a premature explosion. Even the election date, come to think of it, was an exercise which, believe it or not, proved beyond the expertise of the legislators and learned community. These best paid of legislators delivered the shoddiest of jobs.
That is the price of mediocrity.
Now, mesays one can buy a goat a ferrari or lamborghini for the goat's ride, but a He-Goat, or the community of he-goats, will use it only for gathering their droppings and butty mating mbehehe chants. This goatee lack of appreciation does not, however, disqualify the mechanical engineering feats embedded in the monstrous racing engine, but only sheds light on the imaginative poverty of those who, to operationalise, would award a ferrari to a group of wild goats (or Mpigs) whose speciality is to bleat and fart and over indulge in ruinous antics!
The wise know, that only fools take donkeys to the lake and try to force the beast to do what it wont. Consequently goats may stretch the imagination by their agile upright gymnastics to reach fodder up the shrubs, but in all surety goats are not apes whose evolutionary path is upright and scholarly predisposition. Thus, it is only the very foolish Kenyan electorate that votes in Mpigs and expects human results from the pigsty.
I have never blamed the constitution. It is a state-of-the-civilisation blueprint document. But it needs dedicated mechanics to unravel. It needs mental exertion to write the bills, debate them into laws, and operationalise them in the spirit of the renaissance. Value must be added, or the rest is natural decay, degeneration and disuse.
Example: WHEN KAIMENYI CLOSED PRIVATE SCHOOLS! --which are private businesses!
Attorney General Githu Muigai held his powder dry, no doubt finding intrigant reasons to have the pretender professor hang out to dry: Why did he not tell the poor dentist he was farting rot in public? --- Shutting down the PRIVATE BUSINESSES OF ENTERPRENEURS for the silly reasons he (Kaimenyi) gave is economic idiocy. Kaimenyi obviously understands nothing about business! and even less about politics. Ex President Moi publicly had a laugh –-hizi ni professor nini!? the old dictator urinated on the goat Kaimenyi, more like he once publicly did with the other, the late Saitoti!
And the courts followed suit; reducing Kaimenyi to a public moron. But, howbeit the press ran away with it as a Jubilee fiasco! a Kenyatta gaffe That is why Githu Muigai --as the government's legal brains--- should have acted to stop Kaimenyi's stupid directive: in the public reporting, it was Uhuru's jubilee decision, not the specific idiocy of a rogue, irrelevant and zero professor!
No, Kamalet, the constitution stays; it is great; all we do is we change the operationalisers!
I insist goats can only use a ferrari to collect their droppings and test their horns!
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Sept 28, 2015 18:27:38 GMT 3
MwalimuMkuu What does this mean? "That the innocent children being punished by teachers and their union for no any apparent reason! Will now .." You may want to think first on that nonsense. --the strike is, according to you, a mere punishment of innocent children for no any apparent reason?? You dumbed yourself down too Much mheshimiwa! You are in danger of goat-thinking like the administratively imbecile Kaimenyi. Professor:One of the courts has spoken, by ordering teachers to resume duties as their matter is being 'looked into'. What does this mean? That the innocent children being punished by teachers and their union for no any apparent reason will be back in school in a couple of days, and normal schedule will resume. Exams will take off as scheduled and the calendar will run as expected. If teachers refuse to go back, the government will have even a better reason to fire them. In the meantime, there are two cases still ongoing. One by KNUT on need for the courts to compel TSC and ministry of education to pay teachers their salaries as ordered earlier, and another by TSC and SRC on usurpation of their powers by the courts. KNUT has already expressed desire to withdraw from the latter case promoting judges to accept adjournment of sittings as per their request. As you can see, whereas the government retains a number of options including the wildest of the wild cards, teachers through KNUT have boxed themselves in. They either go back to work or lose jobs. While all these pieces are moving as they are, your friends in CORD are still trying to figure out what really happened to them at Uhuru Park. One of them was heard saying at the press conference that the Waiguru curse was hovering over their heads like an eagle that had spotted a lonely chick in a chicken-mesh (it was on a lighter note, but the more you think about it and the happenings at Uhuru Park, the more you appreciate the possibility of it being true). ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~ Jakaswanga: Happy to see you back in the 'new year' still breathing fire of the old. On this one, Kamale got me right. The children of this country of ours have not wrongly anyone to deserve the treatment they are going through. They have not wronged me as mwalimu, they have not wronged UhuRuto and their government and neither have they wronged Sossion and KNUT. To put them in the kind of situation they are in now, to be used as bargaining chip, is not just unfair to them, but unjust as well. Whereas teachers might have had a legitimate issue, their employer has a right to question their position. Even as the parties review and seek clarifications of such positions, children should never leave schools, they should remain in school under the care and tutelage of their teachers. For teachers to go on strike and stay away from work stations, it is an abdication of responsibility and dissertation of duty which in my view ought to be condemned by all and if necessary punished. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Sept 28, 2015 18:32:32 GMT 3
MwalimuMkuu What does this mean? "That the innocent children being punished by teachers and their union for no any apparent reason! Will now .." You may want to think first on that nonsense. --the strike is, according to you, a mere punishment of innocent children for no any apparent reason?? You dumbed yourself down too Much mheshimiwa! You are in danger of goat-thinking like the administratively imbecile Kaimenyi. Jakaswanga Ever heard of the statement about elephants fighting and the grass being the one that suffers? I think that is what our good old headmaster was alluding to. On the teachers saga, I think our courts have come out to create more confusion than work to resolve the matter!!! If we were to trace the cases, they all started when the TSC went to court to stop a planned strike by teachers. This should have been a simple and straightforward matter, but the court decided to venture into matters that had not been prayed for by the TSC (applicant), i.e. awarding a salary increase and even determining how it would be paid. And all this before a trade dispute was declared! Then TSC went to the court of appeal where they were allowed to serve the unions with appeal but with no stay of the lower court orders - actually the court ordered that the awarded amounts be paid or the appeal would fail. TSC then went to court to complain that the unions had ordered a strike without due process and the Labour court judge whilst declining to declare the strike illegal, declared that the same strike was unprotected for failing to follow the law. On the other hand, the unions went to court to say that the TSC was in contempt of court for not paying the salaries as ordered. In the meantime the TSC went to the Supreme Court to appeal the order to make payments by the Appeal Court and the Supreme Court failed to grant any orders on the basis that there was no active appeal in the Court of Appeal (any one can suggest how there was no appeal yet the Appeal Court had made orders being appealed!!) So when the judge made a ruling on friday, it was on the contempt proceedings previously filed by the Unions. The judge went ahead and made rulings on matters not prayed for and which technically lie in an appeal. By directing the teachers to abandon their strike or even the unions and TSC to meet and resolve the matter within 90 days, he adjudicated on matters I do not believe were before him. When he ordered TSC not to victimise any teachers, he inferred that their salaries should not be withheld in punishment for taking part in an unprotected strike. One surely must wonder what salary TSC is supposed to pay as there are issues still in court. With the orders of the lower court suggesting a way out of the mess, there is an appeal matter later this week where the TSC, SRC and GOK have still to make their case to stall the additional payments in the Court of Appeal and it is not even clear what the ruling will be. The judiciary has, in my view, failed to show leadership where the political and executive arms of government have failed. I hold the view that we have a bad constitution as it has led to this confusion! What should happen when all this has settled, is legislative action to guarantee the employees right to strike and picket, but also regulate how that right is exercised to ensure that we do not have a similar incident where strikes have a direct human impact on Kenyans as well as protect the rights of employers in trade relations. In the UK, the aftermath of the Coalminers' strike helped re-write the labour relations law and this is much better in the Uk where unions and employers relate in a more responsible manner. Kamale: I have personally tried to follow and understand what is going on in the courts with this matter, but have totally failed.It is a confused house, with decisions and counter decisions much of which do not address the real problem. Listening to Uhuru a week ago, I got the sense that he is willing to walk the UK path you cite above. It will be rough but worth the walk, if we have to safeguards the rights and innocence of children and others who may occupy similar positions is as far as labor issues are concerned. ~~ Mwalimumkuu @nyumbakubwa ~~
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