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Post by nereah on Oct 18, 2012 20:40:07 GMT 3
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Post by mank on Oct 19, 2012 23:16:16 GMT 3
Down to the wire indeed! Even tying the electoral vote is starting to look probable. ... The split of 538 electoral votes could be to the US what voting less than 1/3 politicos of one gender could be in Kenya.
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Post by nereah on Oct 20, 2012 19:06:18 GMT 3
the bespectacled male adult seen here talking to obama's half brother in nairobi during his anti-obama mission for which he produced one of those propaganda share the same age, alma mater and wedding anniversary with obama.but thats where the similarity ends. he has been one of the sworn detractors of obama feeding the birthers and gop haters in equal measures. and now a scandal is breaking over the very man who used the big moral brush on obama just when he was wring his fingers for obama's biggest fall. we can only say amen to this. www.ndtv.com/article/world/barack-obama-filmmaker-dinesh-d-souza-quits-as-head-of-christian-college-282326mank, the coming week is crucial if you ask, in a way we can sense the direction that the voters who matter in this contest. so? is this contest being won on the media framing and campaign ads and can we safely assume that romney may just slip by if this become a statistical dead heat and goes to supreme court for settlement? i have seen at least one poll that puts romney ahead and just like agwambo here in kenya, there are very influential americans who are pulling all stops to derail the popular aspirations that obama espouses. yes the coming week is a make or break.
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Post by nereah on Oct 21, 2012 11:19:53 GMT 3
whats the cause of romney's sudden ascendance and can he romney really beat obama?here is an instructive piece from the newswire analysis: Republican strategist Karl Rove pointed out on Thursday that no candidate who has ever polled more than 50 percent in the Gallup poll at this point in a presidential race has gone on to lose the election. As it happens, Gallup had Romney at 51 percent that day. details:http://news.yahoo.com/other-polls-show-tight-race-gallup-stands-apart-020811767.html
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Post by nereah on Oct 22, 2012 19:26:41 GMT 3
what is it about romney that makes him even close the gap on america's perception/rating of him as probable commander-in-chief? the numbers that keep popping up, the ,latest early today, makes me nervous.
is romney riding on the tidal wave of obama phobia as opposed to romney mania?
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Post by nereah on Oct 23, 2012 20:15:55 GMT 3
i managed to catch up with the grand finale that was the last of the three debates and oh boy! if obama wobbled in the first face off for reasons that i suspected had to do with his wedding anniversary bash and; if his triumph in the subsequent debate was marred by the residual effect of the media hype of the first debate, then then the finale was, in my considered opinion, the decisive victory over the televised presidential debate even cnn which has been stoking my anxiety with its fawning skepticism grudgingly admittes that obama won this one fair and square but...... with expected doubts as to whether this would translate to victory. to some, what matters as far as the audience are concerned, are three things:economy! economy! and economy! but to my school of thought, the american voters is just as anxious over such vexing issues as american foreign policy which has a greater impact on its economy today. i loved the slug-fest for reason that it exposes the fraud that romney is. did you see how obama took on romney's fallacious arguement and exposed his bare rear? i guess romney did not see it coming with his attacks that invited obama's "over the map" and "fewer horses and bayonets" sound bites. i guess the strategy of republicans and their sympathizers in the birthers movement and media is to water down the poor show of romney with the shift to raising news consumers doubt on the victory of this debate and how it can translates over to democrat's triumph. and just to prove, here is the desperado photoed below who is diverting attention with threat of a "bombshell" that he believes will guarantee romney victory over obama. you look at the billions being raised in those super pacs and spent on the campaign ads and one would imagine that the outcome of this election is going to be decided on the media blitz. but i think the victory will be decided if not driven by america's conscious choice based on informed view on the belief system and persona that the two candidates represents. i have been nervous about romney's ascendance as projected by the cnns of america and lack of clarity by team obama on the second term agenda; the specifics. now, obama in his america forward tour is borrowing heavily from agwambo ;D here in kenya where he seeks to draw a distinct line between the candidature of romney and his. like in kenya where the media had sought to muddle the public perception untill agwambo came with the two horse analogy and now catch phrase, obama is now talking about the election boiling down on who between romney and him that americans can trust with their freedom,security and future.i love it!
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Post by omundu on Oct 24, 2012 16:05:55 GMT 3
Nereah. Its a phsychological game. The Republicans are reading from the Karl Rove book on using Media and Pundits to claim they are ahead. And to prove it they are pointing at National polls showing the race virtually tied. We know its the Electoral Collage that matters, a factor that brings the swing states into play. Romney has fewer paths to 270 than Obama. Romney cannot get to that number without Ohio. Obama is ahead by 5 pts in ohio polls yet the mainstream media paints it a a toss up. Romney is virtually tied with Obama in NC and florida or maybe a point or two up and they call it for Romney ?? New Hampshire is in Obamas bag amongst other swing states. One thing the Romney camp and the media will not tell you right now is if they had to pick which situation they would rather be in at this stage of the race, they would definitely pick Obamas situation. Another important thing to note is the outlier polls ( Gallup and Rasmussen) are republican leaning bodies that have to keep polls showing romney ahead for funding reasons and to play to the whole psychology thing. They have samples that lean heavily Republican some as much as five or more percent republican. They also poll heavily 65 + year old (who we know are mostly conservative) Data collection on most of these polling bodies use robo calls that call landlines as opposed to including a number of cellphone users who are predominantly democrats. When you look at all the Polls that the media shows us, they show us the Likely voter screen (LV). When you dig deeper into the details, they are taking the 2010 midterm sample when more republicans voted as opposed to Dems (this is a presidential race for heavens sakes) African Americans, Latinos and younger voters are heavily chopped from all the polls LV samples. But on the other hand, look at their Registered Voter polls and they all (well apart from Gallup) have Obama up 4+ % on average. There is a lot at play here. Early voting started in most swing states and so far Obama is ahead of Romney by over 20% in the votes cast. (you can just google it and find out) African American turnout has gone up even around 36% in early voting compared to 2008. Democratic numbers have gone up equally significantly in early voting, i forget the site where the figures are. Lets not forget the Heavy Latino turnout and polls have obama at 70 to 30 favotite amongst this group (Early voting favors democrats coz they reside in dense urban areas so it would be very hard getting them all to vote in one day, thus the attempts by repubs to do away with early voting). Looking at early voting trends, one tends to wonder why polls are still stuck on the "democrats have less enthusiasm this cycle" People will be shocked come November seventh i tell you. Thats if current trends in early voting continue. CNN is a gone case in my books. When you have the main political Editor (based in DC but i forget his name) tweeting pro conservative slogans and dissing Dems and insisting that the headline be changed from "Obama Wins debate" to " a tie" what does that tell you. Trump is just a fool. His antics show desperation in the GOP camp. Sometimes i wonder if that animal on his head has fused into his brain. Sources say that his "breaking news that will sink obamas campaign" is supposed divorce papers (Obama/Michelle) in his possesion. Heres is the link: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2222070/Donald-Trump-announcement-reveal-divorce-papers-Michelle-Barack-Obama.html(unedited. very busy)
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Post by omundu on Oct 24, 2012 16:39:02 GMT 3
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Post by mank on Oct 25, 2012 5:50:45 GMT 3
the bespectacled male adult seen here talking to obama's half brother in nairobi during his anti-obama mission for which he produced one of those propaganda share the same age, alma mater and wedding anniversary with obama.but thats where the similarity ends. he has been one of the sworn detractors of obama feeding the birthers and gop haters in equal measures.
and now a scandal is breaking over the very man who used the big moral brush on obama just when he was wring his fingers for obama's biggest fall. we can only say amen to this. www.ndtv.com/article/world/barack-obama-filmmaker-dinesh-d-souza-quits-as-head-of-christian-college-282326
mank,
the coming week is crucial if you ask, in a way we can sense the direction that the voters who matter in this contest. so? is this contest being won on the media framing and campaign ads and can we safely assume that romney may just slip by if this become a statistical dead heat and goes to supreme court for settlement?
i have seen at least one poll that puts romney ahead and just like agwambo here in kenya, there are very influential americans who are pulling all stops to derail the popular aspirations that obama espouses.
yes the coming week is a make or break.Nereah, I am baffled by what is going on. Forget the D'Souzas, Trumps and palins, who obviously belong in an unbeknown weirdly hateful, foolish but otherwise gifted tail of humanity. What's scaring is that many in regular population embrace to a good extent the hate spread by these few demagogues. During the recent presidential debate, the other night, I decided to log into a blog of some 'so-called' celebrities. I noticed very quickly that the participants were extremely disgusted with M. Romney's guts. Yet every time the blog took a snap poll of who these participants would think was winning, the result was 70:30 in Romney's favour. That's how this race is. In my view, what people are saying is that they regret they are put up with Romney as their only way out of voting someone they wish they did not have to vote for. Obama was very promising in 2008. But that is not the only reason he got voted in. 2008 was also a very desperate time ... Obama is still a very promising, and highly accomplished president. The question is, is 2012 desperate enough, or is it a year bias shuns the leader the people would rather have if hypocrisy and hate were not the top determinants? Beyond the individuals, look at the party of the Romneys, and if you are not as baffled as I am, then I will take a favour of enlightenment. The GOP is all over the place now, talking against feminine choices as if the choices women make have hit them like terrorism has done all of humanity. For the hurt GoP seems to imagine women have caused humanity, the party is now committed to robbing women of so much that is private under their skirts ... they want government to get busy under those skirts. That's at the same time that they want government to slim down. Still, and this too is baffling, many women are for the Gop ticket ... I am baffled!
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Post by nereah on Oct 25, 2012 19:47:11 GMT 3
so obama is loosing the women votes that would make the difference in the race? hugh?
what the democrats must stop at all cost is the statistical dead heat and possible determination of this outcome in the supreme court. as to why the numbers keep favouring romney, is a big mystery to me. i think its high time i stop reading this newswire reports.
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Post by mank on Oct 26, 2012 5:24:16 GMT 3
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Post by wanyee on Oct 26, 2012 22:44:48 GMT 3
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Post by mank on Oct 27, 2012 4:10:57 GMT 3
Wanyee,
Hats up to you for keeping the conspracy theories thread going for all those years. I thought about you and that thread when I posted the "Obama Reinvented" link on this thread. Mr. Trump and Sarah Palin have also recently issued new material. It would be a big challenge to sieve through all the new material coming out for such threads, but may be not so much for people with the particular skill.
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Post by wanyee on Oct 27, 2012 4:51:28 GMT 3
mank, Nice to hear from you too. You also disappear whenever I confront you with a difficult question. Perhaps you can help otishotish answer this one: Is There Evidence For Any Of The Alleged Hijackers? jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?bo....ead=5485&page=2 (Reply #22)
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Post by mank on Oct 27, 2012 5:21:37 GMT 3
Heavens no, Wanyee! That was just a salutation. But I am glad you have audience in Otishotish. I got burned out.
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Post by OtishOtish on Oct 27, 2012 5:29:40 GMT 3
Heavens no, Wanyee! That was just a salutation. But I am glad you have audience in Otishotish. I got burned out. Huh? I was happy when he found a new friend in mank. Listen, wanyee is a very nice guy but I've got all sorts of "personal stuff" to deal with right now. I'll catch up with the rest of you ... later. Much later.
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Post by mank on Oct 27, 2012 9:21:06 GMT 3
Heavens no, Wanyee! That was just a salutation. But I am glad you have audience in Otishotish. I got burned out. Huh? I was happy when he found a new friend in mank. Listen, wanyee is a very nice guy but I've got all sorts of "personal stuff" to deal with right now. I'll catch up with the rest of you ... later. Much later. Sounds like you stle my line, Otish! But its not not you, its the Wanyee effect. Wanyee has a way of burning people out. He's like Romney. Good people, no doubt, but they screw with other good people minds till you call them "bull-shiters", unless you are keen enough to decide way ahead that you will have personal stuff hence no time for the meandering mumbo jumbo they bring about. You are following the road I travelled with Wanyee ...... I aint new to the Wanyee threads.
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Post by nereah on Oct 28, 2012 12:20:58 GMT 3
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Post by wanyee on Oct 29, 2012 3:14:44 GMT 3
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Post by mank on Oct 29, 2012 5:58:37 GMT 3
Wanyee man, I am not sure which hijackers you are asking about. But let me tell you why you wont get good discussions under your topics: it is because your topics are informed by propaganda theorists, who as you know, use partial facts padded with lots of twists. Who has the time to set straight long stories with less than half truths and the rest lies? For example, the author of the story you posted (http://jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=7500&page=1) claims Obama was elected in 2008 for being anti-war. Not true! Obama was very clear - Iraq war was not his thing - Afghanistan was! So, if he was for war in Afghanistan, how would he be anti-war? Anyways, there are lots hot things going on right now, these retired theories will stay retired - I just did not feel comfortable acting like I did not see your post directed partly at me.
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Post by OtishOtish on Oct 29, 2012 6:14:45 GMT 3
Would you like to me expound further on neoliberalism? Thanks, but I'm fine. But, please, expound away to wanyee, preferrebly by p.m.
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Post by nereah on Oct 29, 2012 17:58:30 GMT 3
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Post by nereah on Oct 29, 2012 23:07:32 GMT 3
putting kenyan politics on the back-burner, my focus this coming days is america where obama stands the risk of losing out on popular vote to romney but invariabl slip back into the 1600 pennsylvania avenue for his last but invariably weaker tenure via electoral(collegial)vote advantage.Sound remote though. and with hilarity, i hearken to the news of the gathering of 50 astrologers...mmmmmh! reminds me of those who went to see baby jesus christ.... and their popular consensus was: makinika weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/48671/astrologers-predict-obama-will-win/and by the way, what will obama victory portend to uhuru kenyatta and william ruto or put it the other way round: does uhuru kenyatta and ruto have a preferred candidate in use 2012 elections and who should they root for?
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Post by nereah on Oct 30, 2012 11:04:06 GMT 3
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Post by nok on Oct 30, 2012 12:36:21 GMT 3
nereah. Just like you, I am of the opinion that the fate of America for this and the next generation is umbilically tied to the fate of Kenya and depending on who wins, there will be a range of direct and indirect consequences to the elections in Kenya 2013 and there beyond. Similarly, in both countries the following is also on the ballot; 1. Impunity vis a vis Status Quo 2. Historical Unjusticies vis a vis Elitism or Should I say Entitlement 3. Race vis a vis TribalismIt speaks volumes that an american president with a kenyan heritage may end his presidency without having once step on the land of his poverty stricken ancestors as president of the strongest and wealthiest land on earth .....................................pause....................................... But I see a rational here ! The first term of the Obama presidency had alot to do with the domestic agenda and laying the ground work for the re-election to a second term. I believe that if Barack is re-elected, he will have more flexibility to really champion two areas that are so dear to him but which he was not able to cater for, during his first 4 years; 1. Foreign policy and relations;-----> and one top priority is Kenya and the poor 3rd world
2. Race relations in America and the significance of Blackness in a White houseSo just like you nereah, i am taking leave from work and jukwaa to follow and live through this monumental two week period that shall alter the trajectory of not only America, especially its women and Race related issues, but also heavily impact on a poor banana country which I call home. unedited
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