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Post by mank on Nov 7, 2012 7:51:37 GMT 3
Chicango boys have done it again Fantastic result for Obama! Romney is about to concede now that the Electoral College numbers & Ohio has been called for Obama by CNN. They just reported on CNN that a Romney aide has informed them that R is not ready to concede. I hope yours is the latest, because Romney would be fighting an unreasonable battle to refuse to concede at this point.
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Post by 50cents on Nov 7, 2012 8:16:38 GMT 3
R is depending on popular vote in Ohio that will be crushed by hugely popular California.
No math Mr R
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Post by b6k on Nov 7, 2012 8:44:43 GMT 3
Fantastic result for Obama! Romney is about to concede now that the Electoral College numbers & Ohio has been called for Obama by CNN. They just reported on CNN that a Romney aide has informed them that R is not ready to concede. I hope yours is the latest, because Romney would be fighting an unreasonable battle to refuse to concede at this point. Indeed as 50 cents says Romney is holding out because he is ahead on the popular vote. Obama has hammered him in urban & highly populated areas. Romney is a candidate of shags & 72% of whites. It's not enough to give him the EC numbers (303 to 203). CNN has just projected Virginia for Obama. Romney camp also said to be waiting for Ohio to be called but CNN says it's pretty much a done deal.
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Post by mank on Nov 7, 2012 8:52:22 GMT 3
R is depending on popular vote in Ohio that will be crushed by hugely popular California.
No math Mr R And popular vote is not the determinant anyway ... the law. Bush lost popular vote but was still president. Well, they just announced that a call has been made between the two. So any time now, a concession.
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Post by b6k on Nov 7, 2012 8:52:26 GMT 3
Romney has conceded over the phone to Obama. His loser speech expected in 5 minutes...
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Post by marikopolitico on Nov 7, 2012 9:19:56 GMT 3
Congratulations to Obama.
As a Kenyan,this victory has nearly zero value to me.
Im more concerned with the Chinese Communist Party Elections. Their leader has visited Africa close to TWENTY times more than our so called son has. A good victory but meaningless to Kenyan reality.Until at least when we strike massive oil deposits
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Post by einstein on Nov 7, 2012 9:37:24 GMT 3
Congratulations to Obama. As a Kenyan,this victory has nearly zero value to me. Im more concerned with the Chinese Communist Party Elections. Their leader has visited Africa close to TWENTY times more than our so called son has. A good victory but meaningless to Kenyan reality.Until at least when we strike massive oil deposits Hey, you forgot to tell us how many times that Chinese leader visited Kenya in particular!! Is that relevant or not?
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Post by b6k on Nov 7, 2012 10:02:24 GMT 3
Powerful speech from Obama. Those who try to compare him to the mumbling PM of KE do Barry a major disservice.
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Post by marikopolitico on Nov 7, 2012 10:40:48 GMT 3
Congratulations to Obama. As a Kenyan,this victory has nearly zero value to me. Im more concerned with the Chinese Communist Party Elections. Their leader has visited Africa close to TWENTY times more than our so called son has. A good victory but meaningless to Kenyan reality.Until at least when we strike massive oil deposits Hey, you forgot to tell us how many times that Chinese leader visited Kenya in particular!! Is that relevant or not? None. But here's a relevant figure, just last year Chinese aid to Africa was $127 billion in comparison to US aid of $90billion.
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Post by phil on Nov 7, 2012 11:30:23 GMT 3
Powerful speech from Obama. Those who try to compare him to the mumbling PM of KE do Barry a major disservice. This is a low blow and evidence of bankruptcy of ideas to debate subtantantively. I have kept away from this thread because the POTUS is really outside the sphere of Kenyans but this on liner coming from you cannot be let to stand. No two people are the same and none of the Kenyan leaders are the same. It would be a tragedy in some quarters if we started to analyse speech delivery of our leaders.
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Post by b6k on Nov 7, 2012 12:52:15 GMT 3
Powerful speech from Obama. Those who try to compare him to the mumbling PM of KE do Barry a major disservice. This is a low blow and evidence of bankruptcy of ideas to debate subtantantively. I have kept away from this thread because the POTUS is really outside the sphere of Kenyans but this on liner coming from you cannot be let to stand. No two people are the same and none of the Kenyan leaders are the same. It would be a tragedy in some quarters if we started to analyse speech delivery of our leaders. I agree with you that POTUS & PORK are not only oceans apart, but worlds apart as well. We have seen threads on Jukwaa drawing imaginery parallels between Obama & Raila & others claiming haters funding his opposition there can have an effect here in KE. That's what I was debunking.
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Post by destiny on Nov 7, 2012 14:51:07 GMT 3
THE RISE AND RISE OF "NEW AMERICA"....NEW YORK -- President Barack Obama did not just win reelection tonight. His victory signaled the irreversible triumph of a new, 21st-century America: multiracial, multi-ethnic, global in outlook and moving beyond centuries of racial, sexual, marital and religious tradition.
Obama, the mixed-race son of Hawaii by way of Kansas, Indonesia, Los Angeles, New York and Chicago, won reelection in good part because he not only embodied but spoke to that New America, as did the Democratic Party he leads. His victorious coalition spoke for and about him: a good share of the white vote (about 45 percent in Ohio, for example); 70 percent or so of the Latino vote across the country, according to experts; 96 percent of the African-American vote; and large proportions of Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders.
The Republican Party, by contrast, has been reduced to a rump parliament of Caucasian traditionalism: white, married, church-going -- to oversimplify only slightly. "It's a catastrophe," said GOP strategist Steve Schmidt. "This is, this will have to be, the last time that the Republican Party tries to win this way."
The GOP chose as its standard-bearer Mitt Romney, whose own Mormon Church until recent decades discriminated officially against blacks. His campaign made little serious effort to reach out to Hispanics voters, and Romney hurt himself by taking far-right positions on immigration during the GOP primaries. He made no effort whatsoever in the black community.
Obama reached out not only racially and ethnically, but in terms of lifestyle. Analysts made fun of, and Republicans derided, his campaign's focus on discrete demographic and social slices of the electorate, including gays and lesbians. But the message was one about the future, not the American past.
U.S. Census numbers tell the story. In the first decade of the new millennium, the Asian-American population rose 43.3 percent, the African-American population 12.3 percent, the Latino community 43 percent -- and the white population just 5.7 percent.
To be sure, the president won because of his stand on the issues -- health care reform, Wall Street regulation, the auto industry bailout, among others. But his victory is something more: a sense that we are all in this together as a society, no matter who we are or how we live our lives.
I saw this new America at the heart of the Obama reelection effort, in their campaign offices. In one office in Virgina, for example, the local campaign manager was Pakistani-American, the volunteers were of every race and background, the people heading out to handle the signup drive were Hispanic, and the event they were working on was a concert by Bruce Springsteen.
www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/06/barack-obama-reelection_n_2085819.html
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Post by Mr Defence on Nov 7, 2012 16:44:45 GMT 3
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Post by mank on Nov 7, 2012 16:54:40 GMT 3
Its a good day. Power of the powerless has brought a bad feeling at some high places .... : Donald Trump is a pitifu man. He twits (exerpt from news.yahoo.com/nbc-sick-tired-employing-donald-trump-063027779.html):The world is laughing at us.— Donald J. Trump (@realdonaldtrump) November 7, 2012
This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy!— Donald J. Trump (@realdonaldtrump) November 7, 2012
Our country is now in serious and unprecedentedtrouble...like never before.— Donald J. Trump (@realdonaldtrump) November 7, 2012
The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.— Donald J. Trump (@realdonaldtrump) November 7, 2012
We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided!— Donald J. Trump (@realdonaldtrump) November 7, 2012
There was also this Trump tweet captured below that he's since (wisely) deleted:
I think I can block you now. RT @realdonaldtrump: More votes equals a loss...revolution! — Jared Keller (@jaredbkeller) November 7, 2012
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Post by mank on Nov 9, 2012 17:44:16 GMT 3
And this (link to story also pasted below) sounds so familiar: Victoria Jackson Flips Out On Christians Over Obama Win
Former Saturday Night Live star Victoria Jackson has lost her funny since leaving the show and is now instead flipping out on Christian voters. The anti-Obama actress revealed on Wednesday that Christians disgust her for their inability to show up at the polls. The SNL actress stated:
“I can’t stop crying. America died.” She also tried to compare Obama and Romney to good versus evil in a tweet:
“The Democrat Party voted God out and replaced Him with Romans 1. In the Good vs Evil battle…today…Evil won.” Apparently Twitter wasn’t enough of a battleground as the actress then wrote on her website:
”The God Haters now outweigh the God Lovers. And, there are more Takers than Makers. Evil won the election. I think the red states should secede and create our own country called Original America. The rules of Original America [include] Everyone takes care of their own traditional family, and the church takes care of widows and orphans.” In “Original America,” Victoria says:
“The Ten Commandments and Prayer are in our public school system and the Bible is a required course.” Victoria Jackson went from SNL to Tea Party member and in the process appears to have formed an ideology of hate against anyone who does not align with her beliefs. In the meantime, many Christians have noted on Victoria Jackson’s page that not only did they vote but that they cast their choice for Obama. Does SNL make fun of their own? If so this would be the perfect opportunity for a sketch about an obviously unhinged woman.Read more at www.inquisitr.com/391688/victoria-jackson-flips-out-on-christians-over-obama-win/#RhtyOG5bqL4GefyO.99
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Post by nereah on Nov 11, 2012 14:40:42 GMT 3
i love dancing and what a better way to rest this longest running thread with the dance moves of barry and his lovely wife.my belated congratulations and i am sure all of you peasants souls will join me in praying for the most guarded yet ironically most powerful person on planet earth.
well done! ;D
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Post by wanyee on Nov 12, 2012 5:58:36 GMT 3
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Post by mank on Nov 12, 2012 6:37:12 GMT 3
mank,
There is no need to reinvent the wheel. I have previously stated that I do not need to be "original" in order to reiterate basic facts. What does Wanjiku do if she happens to be illiterate?
The articles that I have posted in order to support my argument should suffice. ... If I knew what argument you are supporting with them then I would see their relevance. I wouldn't argue against that. Obama is US president, not Kenya's president. If all you are trying to say is that Obama's victory has nearly zero value to you as a Kenyan then I do not need the stories you put forward before you indicated what point you were making. Those stories are not making the point you highlight above. I could disagree with much of their content but I do not disagree with your point. Yours is trivial and not requiring third party writings for support.
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Post by wanyee on Nov 12, 2012 6:52:36 GMT 3
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Post by mank on Nov 12, 2012 8:00:58 GMT 3
mank,
So, would I be wrong if I ventured to state that you agree that Obama's victory has nearly zero value to Kenyans, and by extension, the developing world, particularly in the context of U.S. foreign policy (i.e. neoliberal globalization)?
... Wanyee, As I stated, I know Obama to be the president of the US. ... he is not the president of Kenya or the developing world. There have been 43 presidents of the US before him. Each of them was installed to serve the interests of the US, and Obama is no different. So I do not see anything incorrect about your statement of the value of Obama's presidency to Africa. The other issues that you drag in by saying "see also ...", are not relevant to the argument, and since I agree with you on the main argument I do not see why you are draging "see alsos."
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Post by wanyee on Nov 14, 2012 1:50:43 GMT 3
mank,
Now, we are definitely getting somewhere.
Just to recap: My basic argument is that if Obama does not represent the best interests of the developing world - at least in the context of U.S. foreign / economic policy – we have no reason to belittle ourselves by getting excited about a cosmetic “change”. Even as president of the United States, Obama must address the underlying crisis of neoliberalism (or corporate globalization), in order to bring real “change” to his constituents. As for the rest of us, we will NEVER solve our problems if we do not address the underlying issues, such as the reason why basic social services cannot reach the poor, as otishotish previously lamented in regards to his constituency.
I am sure that you will agree.
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Post by mank on Nov 14, 2012 4:41:43 GMT 3
mank,
Now, we are definitely getting somewhere.
Just to recap: My basic argument is that if Obama does not represent the best interests of the developing world - at least in the context of U.S. foreign / economic policy – we have no reason to belittle ourselves by getting excited about a cosmetic “change”. Even as president of the United States, Obama must address the underlying crisis of neoliberalism (or corporate globalization), in order to bring real “change” to his constituents. As for the rest of us, we will NEVER solve our problems if we do not address the underlying issues, such as the reason why basic social services cannot reach the poor, as otishotish previously lamented in regards to his constituency.
I am sure that you will agree. So the only case in which we would have reason to be excited is if he represented the best interest of the developing world? Why would you term excitement about a black man becoming president of the United states "belittling ourselves" ? Developing world is a place. We relate with it, but we are not it. Skin colour is identity. Black people have been looked down upon and humiliated too long under the pretense that they are less human. There is certainly more than a "cosmetic change" when one of us rises above all who aspire to the big seat ... he does not have to move the developing world but he sure is an agent of transformation of race matters. His election as the POTUS is, like Biden would probably say, "a effing big deal!"
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Post by b6k on Nov 14, 2012 7:37:24 GMT 3
Meanwhile back in the union, more than 30 states (more accurately, racists in those states) have filed petitions to secede from the USA following Obama's win! Texas leads the bunch with over 80,000 signatures. A threshold of 25,000 signatures is needed within 30 days to warrant a response from the White House. It seems there are lots of people out there who cannot stand having a black man at the helm residing in the "white" house.... www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/petition-to-secede-states_n_2120410.html
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Post by KOLONEL BRISK on Nov 14, 2012 9:54:00 GMT 3
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Post by b6k on Nov 14, 2012 17:35:38 GMT 3
Interesting to note ODM's secret weapon back in '07, Dick Morris, was backing the wrong horse again.... "That point was further illustrated by the number of Republican pundits who predicted a Romney victory, including George Will, Peggy Noonan, Fred Barnes, Charles Krauthammer, Karl Rove, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Barone and Dick Morris. Will, Gingrich, Limbaugh, Barone and Morris went much further, forecasting a Romney landslide that turned reality on its head by reversing Obama's and Romney's electoral vote totals."
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