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Post by b6k on Mar 5, 2013 19:22:49 GMT 3
From my Twitter Account: Gidi O Gidi @gidiogidiNdururumo polling station where Mudavadi's running mate,cast his vote gives Mudavadi 0 as presidential vote!! So who did Kioni vote for? Hehehe. Let's be prudent & wait for the official IEBC numbers, mate. ;D |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 5, 2013 19:24:50 GMT 3
MP seats so far:
TNA - 65
ODM - 59
URP - 51
WIPER - 13
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Post by Mobimba on Mar 5, 2013 20:21:13 GMT 3
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Post by abdulmote on Mar 5, 2013 20:38:06 GMT 3
I have only only one comment to make at this stage; I am extremely disappointed with the IEBC considering the time it had to prepare for this exercise. Hassan's explanation on the delay of announcing the results is simply evasive.
But eh, this is Kenya at its best!
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Post by bob on Mar 5, 2013 21:00:59 GMT 3
Surely this pathetic to say the least from Hassan, is this a press briefing or an appeal to the restless public which has reason to be. Something is not right,smelling a rat? Hope not.
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Post by mangai on Mar 5, 2013 21:11:51 GMT 3
According to Isaak Hassan, starting tomorrow, we're back to the famous Form 16As of the Kivuitu era (meaning manual tallying)! The more things change, the more they remain the same.
Tallying of presidential votes ended long time ago. In fact we have even had those of Mps being announced and their counting started much later after the presidential ones were done with. What is the big deal with relaying the presidential results?
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Post by mugabe on Mar 5, 2013 21:16:43 GMT 3
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Post by abdulmote on Mar 5, 2013 21:23:06 GMT 3
Listening to Hassan's press briefing again, it is enough to generate more tension, speculations and shutter any confidence one may have had towards concluding the exercise with the faith desirable.
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Post by afrigun on Mar 5, 2013 23:43:04 GMT 3
This is taking rather too long! Having travelled over 1000 km to cast my vote, I think IEBC should should have put this matter to bed by now so that we can all resume our normal lives.
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Post by joblesscorner on Mar 5, 2013 23:54:23 GMT 3
IEBC Dilemma was foreseen two weeks ago. here is the link www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-108148/iebc-must-fix-results-transmission-system-fast"Ms Gichuru talked a lot but failed to ask the fundamentally most important question, “Is all your equipment and are all your electronic systems up and running, fully operational, fully prepared and fully protected?” Hassan was lucky she did not ask this – because it happened that an IEBC demonstration of the equipment and system a couple of days earlier had gone horribly wrong."
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Post by patriotism101 on Mar 6, 2013 1:02:08 GMT 3
It is painful to see the chairman fumbling and mumbling the elections this way. But why does this not surprise me. You cannot solve incompetence by political gerrymandering- what a shame, after the country came to the brink of abyss and millions of Kshs wasted on BVR and a clueless electoral commission we are still back to the the Form 16 A nonsense. Returning officers will walk to Bomas of Kenya and hand over the "official" results  what a load of manure ;D. The furthest point in Kenya from Bomas of Kenya is less than 2 hours by chopper- why should it take more than 12 hours to get such results? In anycase, why should the ECK go to sleep untill tomorrow? Your systems have blown and you closing shop untill tomorrow?? This is essentially a 36 hour project and if you cannot miss sleep for that long once in 5 years you have no business working at the ECK. ECK should have been announcing these results 24/7. Mr Isaak's hope is that one of the presidential candidates will concede- what kind of crap is this? Once again some incompetent nincompoops is messing around and the world is laughing at us. What a shame. Senti 5 |
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Post by OtishOtish on Mar 6, 2013 4:15:30 GMT 3
What a circus. Wake me up when it's over. I gave up when my boy of eight years (who plays often with computers) expressed shock at the "electoral officers forgot their passwords": "But, dad, don't the people know that elections are really important? Haven't they used computers before?"
“IEBC puts rapid transport measures to ensure Returning Officers deliver official results by early morning. This should tremendously increase poll results by mid-morning Wednesday March 6,”read a text message dispatched by the commission.
The commission would largely rely on the physically delivered results after the visualisation of the electronic results transmission facility they were using collapsed
Nice risk-management and contingency-planning all around. Form 16A beats BVR Thing. Forward to the past. Which proves that "kienyeji" style is always superior to fancy technology.
IT powerhouse of Eastern Africa. Konza City to rival Silicon Valley. Yes, of course.
"World-class" criminals at the top of the ballot. A "world-class" technological fwack-up. Kenya leading the world. In its own way.
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Post by b6k on Mar 6, 2013 9:25:02 GMT 3
What a circus. Wake me up when it's over. I gave up when my boy of eight years (who plays often with computers) expressed shock at the "electoral officers forgot their passwords": "But, dad, don't the people know that elections are really important? Haven't they used computers before?"“IEBC puts rapid transport measures to ensure Returning Officers deliver official results by early morning. This should tremendously increase poll results by mid-morning Wednesday March 6,”read a text message dispatched by the commission.
The commission would largely rely on the physically delivered results after the visualisation of the electronic results transmission facility they were using collapsedNice risk-management and contingency-planning all around. Form 16A beats BVR Thing. Forward to the past. Which proves that "kienyeji" style is always superior to fancy technology. IT powerhouse of Eastern Africa. Konza City to rival Silicon Valley. Yes, of course. "World-class" criminals at the top of the ballot. A "world-class" technological fwack-up. Kenya leading the world. In its own way. , welcome to the real world. TIA.... |
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Post by podp on Mar 6, 2013 10:01:08 GMT 3
What a circus. Wake me up when it's over. I gave up when my boy of eight years (who plays often with computers) expressed shock at the "electoral officers forgot their passwords": "But, dad, don't the people know that elections are really important? Haven't they used computers before?"“IEBC puts rapid transport measures to ensure Returning Officers deliver official results by early morning. This should tremendously increase poll results by mid-morning Wednesday March 6,”read a text message dispatched by the commission.
The commission would largely rely on the physically delivered results after the visualisation of the electronic results transmission facility they were using collapsedNice risk-management and contingency-planning all around. Form 16A beats BVR Thing. Forward to the past. Which proves that "kienyeji" style is always superior to fancy technology. IT powerhouse of Eastern Africa. Konza City to rival Silicon Valley. Yes, of course. "World-class" criminals at the top of the ballot. A "world-class" technological fwack-up. Kenya leading the world. In its own way. IT experts did foresee what you are pointing out and even raised concerns after doing a mock in one of the local hotels. we all probably missed this story www.the-star.co.ke/news/article-108148/iebc-must-fix-results-transmission-system-fastWe hope the IEBC is trying to fix these problems but, on the basis of the evidence so far, and considering the sheer volume of the data to be transmitted, it certainly appears that there could be a massive system failure. |
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Post by mank on Mar 6, 2013 11:01:56 GMT 3
I remember when we discussed on this board Kenya's ambition to go to electronic voting. I said we were not as technologically mature as we pretend to be, and expressed concern that we might have machines voting for us while we think we are doing it ... now here we are, embarrassing ourselves to the whole world and pushing our own stress buttons. SOS.
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Post by podp on Mar 6, 2013 11:05:40 GMT 3
from a concerned Kenyan "Now, there is loads of information that is becoming available about the system. I am sharing more that has come my way: The RFP used to source a vendor: buyersguide.ifes.org/procurement_pdf/1356124968.pdfRFP was closing only 4th January, 2013, yes..only this January. An external party (US based) that seems to have been fully involved in the entire procurement process and I would imagine implementation as well is www.ifes.org/. See all details about their role in the RFP and others on their website. Project was USAID funded. A good blog with several discussions on this: iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/Before we blame anybody or feel sorry for any party, Please lets do a thorough review of the ongoings. I am sure we shall then address the IT problem in this case." iko swali? |
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Post by podp on Mar 6, 2013 11:22:36 GMT 3
I remember when we discussed on this board Kenya's ambition to go to electronic voting. I said we were not as technologically mature as we pretend to be, and expressed concern that we might have machines voting for us while we think we are doing it ... now here we are, embarrassing ourselves to the whole world and pushing our own stress buttons. SOS. first point "Every single tech system has problems, that IEBC does as well should be no surprise. I've been spending last night and this morning trying to better understand how the IEBC's data flow works, their lack of clarity here is the only problem that I can find. You can see my questions, sources and even the IEBC RFP for the system here: iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/Polling station uses Safaricom SIM cards » App installed in phone, proprietary software from IFES » Transmitted via Safaricom’s VPN » Servers hosted/managed by Next Technologies (needs confirmation) » Google hosted website at vote.iebc.or.ke » Google hosted API at api.iebc.or.keYou'll note that, besides the IEBC itself, there are at least 4 (large) organizations that have to be in sync in order for the system to work (Safaricom, IFES, Next Technologies, and Google). That's no small task, and as you can see by the list of companies involved, these are largely not local companies." second point "I disagree. Your perspective of this perhaps suits the level at hich you're comfortable looking at it from - Management. I however would like to inform you that this particular failure we are witnessing is nothing where the management would poke their noses and understand. The best they can do is just watch! The failure here is the ICT staff and not ICTs." iko swali? "Look at this from the following brief comments, attributed accordingly: Mbugua Njihia: (http://www.mbuguanjihia.com/iebc-rfp.html): The choice of system design by the IEBC has been on the lips of many. The techies among us are wondering how and why the system seems to be having so many glitches while the functions of the said system are “simple”. Simple used in quotes, not to belittle system design, but to mean we have at our disposal tools to test all manner of scenarios that may arise in a system such as this and build the relevant use cases. What I would like to see is the User Acceptance Test document to see what parameters and scenarios were taken for a proper workout. Building mobile application front ends is the least of the tasks, ensuring secure communication via VPN is neither here nor there. The design of the back-end is what matters…the scalability, redundancy, data integrity etc. For the amount of money put down for this system, I would say that I am disappointed, mostly because I know what could be. this being a technical failure, we are having a technical perspective of what-is and what-is-not on skunkworks: orion.my.co.ke/pipermail/skunkworks/2013-March/075988.htmlthe failure at IEBC cannot in any way be attributed to the ICT Sector, but to the dumb/incompetent ICT staff employed at IEBC. and where does the buck stop? IEBC Chair or CEO? |
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Post by mank on Mar 6, 2013 11:29:50 GMT 3
I remember when we discussed on this board Kenya's ambition to go to electronic voting. I said we were not as technologically mature as we pretend to be, and expressed concern that we might have machines voting for us while we think we are doing it ... now here we are, embarrassing ourselves to the whole world and pushing our own stress buttons. SOS. first point "Every single tech system has problems, that IEBC does as well should be no surprise. I've been spending last night and this morning trying to better understand how the IEBC's data flow works, their lack of clarity here is the only problem that I can find. You can see my questions, sources and even the IEBC RFP for the system here: iebctechkenya.tumblr.com/Polling station uses Safaricom SIM cards » App installed in phone, proprietary software from IFES » Transmitted via Safaricom’s VPN » Servers hosted/managed by Next Technologies (needs confirmation) » Google hosted website at vote.iebc.or.ke » Google hosted API at api.iebc.or.keYou'll note that, besides the IEBC itself, there are at least 4 (large) organizations that have to be in sync in order for the system to work (Safaricom, IFES, Next Technologies, and Google). That's no small task, and as you can see by the list of companies involved, these are largely not local companies." second point "I disagree. Your perspective of this perhaps suits the level at hich you're comfortable looking at it from - Management. I however would like to inform you that this particular failure we are witnessing is nothing where the management would poke their noses and understand. The best they can do is just watch! The failure here is the ICT staff and not ICTs." iko swali? "Look at this from the following brief comments, attributed accordingly: Mbugua Njihia: (http://www.mbuguanjihia.com/iebc-rfp.html): The choice of system design by the IEBC has been on the lips of many. The techies among us are wondering how and why the system seems to be having so many glitches while the functions of the said system are “simple”. Simple used in quotes, not to belittle system design, but to mean we have at our disposal tools to test all manner of scenarios that may arise in a system such as this and build the relevant use cases. What I would like to see is the User Acceptance Test document to see what parameters and scenarios were taken for a proper workout. Building mobile application front ends is the least of the tasks, ensuring secure communication via VPN is neither here nor there. The design of the back-end is what matters…the scalability, redundancy, data integrity etc. For the amount of money put down for this system, I would say that I am disappointed, mostly because I know what could be. this being a technical failure, we are having a technical perspective of what-is and what-is-not on skunkworks: orion.my.co.ke/pipermail/skunkworks/2013-March/075988.htmlthe failure at IEBC cannot in any way be attributed to the ICT Sector, but to the dumb/incompetent ICT staff employed at IEBC. and where does the buck stop? IEBC Chair or CEO? Podp, You are struggling to excuse the system by identifying the bottleneck while the bottleneck is part of the system. Same thing you might come to do when we venture naively into nuclear energy and cause all sorts of chaos ... sorry to digress but I was lured by what seems irresponsible attitude toward technology. |
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Post by mank on Mar 6, 2013 11:35:08 GMT 3
Responsible technology up-take in sensitive subjects requires testing the technology (and all peripheral services) under extreme conditions in an experimental setting before throwing it out into the real world application. When we throw it out into application and find that the user is not up to the task, we can't just blame the user ... it is up to us to make sure we have a capable user before putting the system into use. Do you find fault in this logic, Podp?
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Post by podp on Mar 6, 2013 11:37:08 GMT 3
Podp, You are struggling to excuse the system by identifying the bottleneck while the bottleneck is part of the system. Same thing you might come to do when we venture naively into nuclear energy and cause all sorts of chaos ... sorry to digress but I was lured by what seems irresponsible attitude toward technology. second red highlight very loaded let me return to it on some other time. first red high light here is what a colleague who is IT savvy wryly remarked in long form. "The governance experts are saying - lack of governance The networking experts are saying - lets get better VPNS The server experts are saying - we should have used HP or SUN or IBM The database experts are concerned Oracle was used (Open Source Guys would want MySQL) Software Developers - why use language X and not you Software Testers - want more testing Everyone is pitching their wares ... no one is sure what happened .......... and the job is over this week  " so do not worry but be happy! or where do you fit in in the above? |
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Post by podp on Mar 6, 2013 11:41:11 GMT 3
Responsible technology up-take in sensitive subjects requires testing the technology (and all peripheral services) under extreme conditions in an experimental setting before throwing it out into the real world application. When we throw it out into application and find that the user is not up to the task, we can't just blame the user ... it is up to us to make sure we have a capable user before putting the system into use. Do you find fault in this logic, Podp? if you play golf you will understand 'spot on'. cannot fault you. www.cio.co.ke/news/main-stories/it-issues-leave-kenya-presidential-election-results-halfway-pending |
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Post by b6k on Mar 6, 2013 13:46:14 GMT 3
According to a panelist on NTV Raila leads actual results as announced by IEBC from 3 constituencies (Kajiado Central, Kajiado North & Diaspora) by 50% to Uhuru's 46%
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 6, 2013 14:07:03 GMT 3
According to a panelist on NTV Raila leads actual results as announced by IEBC from 3 constituencies (Kajiado Central, Kajiado North & Diaspora) by 50% to Uhuru's 46% They are wrong , What else would you expect from Adams Oloo who is among the panelist Uhuru still is leading from the three constituencies announced 13:45 Kenyatta (39,698) leads Raila (38,679) in final results released by IEBC from Kajiado South, Kajiado Central and Diaspora constituencies. elections.nation.co.ke/news/-/1631868/1712792/-/oshxpaz/-/index.html |
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Post by kamalet on Mar 6, 2013 14:07:57 GMT 3
According to a panelist on NTV Raila leads actual results as announced by IEBC from 3 constituencies (Kajiado Central, Kajiado North & Diaspora) by 50% to Uhuru's 46% I have it as follows for the three reporting stations: RAO 38709 =47.95% UK 39698 = 49.18% |
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Post by b6k on Mar 6, 2013 14:24:09 GMT 3
Hehehe. My bad, gentlemen. It is very much a marathon not a sprint as we are tallying from square one....
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what a load of manure ;D. The furthest point in Kenya from Bomas of Kenya is less than 2 hours by chopper- why should it take more than 12 hours to get such results? In anycase, why should the ECK go to sleep untill tomorrow? Your systems have blown and you closing shop untill tomorrow??
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