bob
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Post by bob on Mar 6, 2013 14:30:18 GMT 3
Without pointing fingers,stealing requires little intelligence
Chepalungu Contituency: Registered
Voters: » 25,755 Males » 24,482
Females » 50,237 Total.
Presidential votes tally from
Chepalungu.. over 61,000 in favour
of TNA. 11,000 ghost voters.
Returning Officer disappears fearing
arrest
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Post by 50cents on Mar 6, 2013 14:47:54 GMT 3
Without pointing fingers,stealing requires little intelligence Chepalungu Contituency: Registered Voters: » 25,755 Males » 24,482 Females » 50,237 Total. Presidential votes tally from Chepalungu.. over 61,000 in favour of TNA. 11,000 ghost voters. Returning Officer disappears fearing arrest Wowcher!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by dubois on Mar 6, 2013 14:56:53 GMT 3
Without pointing fingers,stealing requires little intelligence Chepalungu Contituency: Registered Voters: » 25,755 Males » 24,482 Females » 50,237 Total. Presidential votes tally from Chepalungu.. over 61,000 in favour of TNA. 11,000 ghost voters. Returning Officer disappears fearing arrest Please provide a link |
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 6, 2013 14:59:10 GMT 3
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 6, 2013 15:45:54 GMT 3
Without pointing fingers,stealing requires little intelligence Chepalungu Contituency: Registered Voters: » 25,755 Males » 24,482 Females » 50,237 Total. Presidential votes tally from Chepalungu.. over 61,000 in favour of TNA. 11,000 ghost voters. Returning Officer disappears fearing arrest Please provide a link Take a look at Kongowea Polling station in Nyali constituency in Mombasa County. Number of Votes counted outweighs number of registered voters .Do you smell something ?  |
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Post by abdulmote on Mar 6, 2013 15:52:31 GMT 3
It looks like it is going to be another day of long wait. I wont be surprised if the full results wont be in even by Thursday evening! The tension is now almost palpable and one can see the media in overdrive, trying to calm (or is it wind) the public down.
Kenya is at a standstill at the moment. More patience is needed.
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Post by fimbo on Mar 6, 2013 15:59:12 GMT 3
Clearly this is NOT an IT issue.
I am guessing the "turnout" might be higher than the "registered vote" in many places.
IEBC is hoping the difference is spoilt votes
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Post by fimbo on Mar 6, 2013 16:05:56 GMT 3
If I was designing an IT system such as this, I would write code for it to send an alert in case the results appear "irregular" in a polling station. EG. 90%+ turnout.
Maybe even reject these submissions. That could be what is going on here.
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Post by mank on Mar 6, 2013 16:22:15 GMT 3
Podp, You are struggling to excuse the system by identifying the bottleneck while the bottleneck is part of the system. Same thing you might come to do when we venture naively into nuclear energy and cause all sorts of chaos ... sorry to digress but I was lured by what seems irresponsible attitude toward technology. second red highlight very loaded let me return to it on some other time. first red high light here is what a colleague who is IT savvy wryly remarked in long form. "The governance experts are saying - lack of governance The networking experts are saying - lets get better VPNS The server experts are saying - we should have used HP or SUN or IBM The database experts are concerned Oracle was used (Open Source Guys would want MySQL) Software Developers - why use language X and not you Software Testers - want more testing Everyone is pitching their wares ... no one is sure what happened .......... and the job is over this week  " so do not worry but be happy! or where do you fit in in the above? Podp, I thought you agreed in principle when you said "spot on." You seem to be looking for where to lay blame still. Or you are probably just trying to understand what went on, which is ok ... however, if you are trying to argue against my view that we tried technology in a rush, then I would say you are missing the point because anyone involved is part of the system and should have bqualified to work as part of it. If blame is being thrown hither and thither it just means the system was not working as a sytem ... hence my beleive that the system was properly vetted. ... on a re-read I get you slant: you are saying there is really no failure because the work will be over in the slated time, right? Perhaps that. Still there is this apparence of failure, which itself could cause failure. Our blessing is the curse of 5 years ago ... keeping us tame through the suspense. |
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Post by mank on Mar 6, 2013 16:37:03 GMT 3
If I was designing an IT system such as this, I would write code for it to send an alert in case the results appear "irregular" in a polling station. EG. 90%+ turnout.
Maybe even reject these submissions. That could be what is going on here. but what would that do but just raise alarm? What would you do when the sytem raises an alarm yet the irregularity will already have occurred? We have just been presented with a case of 769 votes cast in a polling station where only 726 voters were registered. That's the same alarm that your program would raise. The problem is how to deal with it from there. What we need is a system that catches up with "multiple voters in the process." IEBC should study the link between voters and their identification documents to determine how an individual is able to vote multiple times, and more importantly, to device a way of cacthing them in their tracks. We have made good progress ... a few that have been caught have been subjected to some nice penalties. Once people figure how punitive the practice can be, they will re-evaluate the risk they take to just cast one or more vote for their darling overpayed nothing-doer! |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 6, 2013 17:25:20 GMT 3
This whole thing has become a big circus. Frustratingly IEBC has not given an plausible reason as to why we have had to wait this long then revert to manual tallying.
Hassan says the delays were caused by slow tallying in the tallying centers. If this is true, was the best solution to ferry the ROs to Nairobi? Even after the ROs have been brought to Nairobi, why has the electronic system been abandoned all together?
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man
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Post by man on Mar 6, 2013 17:29:59 GMT 3
This whole thing has become a big circus. Frustratingly IEBC has not given an plausible reason as to why we have had to wait this long then revert to manual tallying. Hassan says the delays were caused by slow tallying in the tallying centers. If this is true, was the best solution to ferry the ROs to Nairobi? Even after the ROs have been brought to Nairobi, why has the electronic system been abandoned all together? Come on now. Are you actually wondering why the electronic system has been abandoned all together?  In case you conveniently forgot, the system was abandoned all together due to computer error. Go figure!! |
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Post by abdulmote on Mar 6, 2013 17:34:41 GMT 3
I get the impression that Hassan is not being entirely truthful in his explanations for the delays. I think he is just buying time, hoping that everything will resolve itself given the same. I must admit that I wouldn't fancy being in his position at this stage.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Mar 6, 2013 17:41:32 GMT 3
I get the impression that Hassan is not being entirely truthful in his explanations for the delays. I think he is just buying time, hoping that everything will resolve itself given the same. I must admit that I wouldn't fancy being in his position at this stage. Exactly my point. He needs to be more open especially now that there are all kinds of stories doing the rounds. Hassan is just lucky that it is Jubilee that was in the lead at the time of canceling everything. If it was ODM in the lead, the country would be on fire right now. |
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Post by mank on Mar 6, 2013 17:44:47 GMT 3
This is what I am grappling with: I thought the electronic system was abandoned early in the voting process. Wasn't it?
If so, what is this technology that now has a glitch? Is it just the recording of results after a manual tally at respective stations? If so, it does not seem like it should be taking long without some results being announced. Obviously it it cannot be raw digital data, unless it is not the case that voting did not occur electronically. A little more transparency would not be too much to ask.
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Post by abdulmote on Mar 6, 2013 17:58:36 GMT 3
I get the impression that Hassan is not being entirely truthful in his explanations for the delays. I think he is just buying time, hoping that everything will resolve itself given the same. I must admit that I wouldn't fancy being in his position at this stage. Exactly my point. He needs to be more open especially now that there are all kinds of stories doing the rounds. Hassan is just lucky that it is Jubilee that was in the lead at the time of canceling everything. If it was ODM in the lead, the country would be on fire right now. Mwalimu, I disagree with your comment highlighted above. On the contrary, Jubilee's supporters had all the reasons to smile all along. If you had observed the electronic tallying at the point of gooing slow and eventually stalling, RAO's figures had began to improve and Uhuru's had began to slow, you can deduct who should have been more frustrated at that point. |
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Post by roughrider on Mar 6, 2013 18:16:51 GMT 3
I may announce the results for all constituencies and nationally right here if Hassan does not speed things up....
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Post by abdulmote on Mar 6, 2013 18:22:39 GMT 3
Just include an exclusion clause and go for it RR! At this pace, tomorrow will not be enough.
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Post by mank on Mar 6, 2013 18:49:36 GMT 3
Just include an exclusion clause and go for it RR! At this pace, tomorrow will not be enough. He should probably seek in himself and make a decision as to how much he envies Kivuitu. Poor fellow. The timing of his death was probably partly due to the pressure of the season. I don't wish it on any one. |
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Post by abdulmote on Mar 6, 2013 19:00:16 GMT 3
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Post by roughrider on Mar 6, 2013 19:07:45 GMT 3
This is true. It is the only reason I am enjoying my 18 years Glenfiddich while scanning the results. I am a law abiding citizen. Meanwhile have you seen this analysis? The results were, apparently programmed to move in exactly the same pattern... hehehe. The system was also rigged to reject results from certain areas. A full IT audit is in order.  |
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Post by roughrider on Mar 6, 2013 19:18:00 GMT 3
Just include an exclusion clause and go for it RR! At this pace, tomorrow will not be enough. He should probably seek in himself and make a decision as to how much he envies Kivuitu. Poor fellow. The timing of his death was probably partly due to the pressure of the season. I don't wish it on any one. Kivuitu died from complications arising from cancer. He contracted pneumonia while very weak even though he was on a recovery phase. Providence, karma or whatever you believe in decided that he would never see another election. But clearly, we must now be appreciating Kivuitu's predicament when the sharks hijacked him 5 years ago: given what we are now witnessing. He was not strong. He capitulated. |
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Post by nowayhaha on Mar 6, 2013 19:55:09 GMT 3
This is true. It is the only reason I am enjoying my 18 years Glenfiddich while scanning the results. I am a law abiding citizen. Meanwhile have you seen this analysis? The results were, apparently programmed to move in exactly the same pattern... hehehe. The system was also rigged to reject results from certain areas. A full IT audit is in order. Continue enjoying your Glenfiddich but before you run away with your programming claim you will note that IEBC has just had a press-conference and the chairman categorically stated that integrity of the provisional results is unquestionable . The reason the graph is that way is because at one time results from CORD strongholds were not forth coming and when they started releasing the results Jubilee strongholds started releasing the results with equal measure. If you are hoping for a miracle you will be in for a rude awakening. |
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Post by kasiaya on Mar 6, 2013 21:25:39 GMT 3
Nowayhaha,
The explanation you have given to try and explain the graphs trend just does not add-up and defies basic mathematical principles.
“….The reason the graph is that way is because at one time results from CORD strongholds were not forth coming and when they started releasing the results Jubilee strongholds started releasing the results with equal measure….“
If the results from CORD were not forthcoming for sometime, then I would expect the gradient of the curve would plateau – which is not the case .
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Post by mank on Mar 6, 2013 21:49:11 GMT 3
I would not be interested to rig the system if I had access. However if I was to rig I would not rigi in a systematic style. I think programming the system to keep a particular pattern reflects lack of sophistication on the part of the riging party. However, what seems systematic could very easily, and most probably the authentic relationship of the votes.
It is not impossible for randomly reported results to reflect similar trends for the top 2 condidates in a tightly contested election. The good this is that we shalll know soon enough if the pattern is apparent in the official results.
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In case you conveniently forgot, the system was abandoned all together due to computer error. Go figure!!