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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 1, 2015 19:58:12 GMT 3
Here is an interesting detail on the man who replaced Ahmednassir Abdulahi at the infamous JSC table. His major client, former Mumias MD, got a swipe in one of the the EACC lists, and that swipe included a mention of the cash traffic at the lawfirm of the professor. A detail with a powerful stench of rot. www.nation.co.ke/news/Kidero-sue-KPMG-over-Mumias-dossier/-/1056/2672834/-/wtklk7/-/index.html I am too old to be taken for a ride by slick, smart alec lawyers, even if they spot associate professorships: Ojienda handled stolen property, is an accomplice to the rape [economic crimes] at Mumias sugar. Here below is Wanjiku picking up the bill: THE BAILOUT. Mumias Sugar factory. The sugar farmer in the Mumias zone has been subjected to many forms of exploitation. FILE PHOTO | NATION MEDIA GROUP.And out of that bailout kitty the professor wants 100M! --Wither to death, O they cane-farmer! And the predator professor sits at the JSC next to the CJ Willy Mutunga! truly where he belongs! –-Canadians! The professor, colleague of PLO Lumumba, has a morbid fear of the media. Take a look at him in star action. www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Kidero-fights-to-gag-media-on-Mumias-judge-declines-request/-/1064/2649108/-/ua7rwmz/-/ The ''bail out'' which INVERSELY crowns Kidero and Ojienda's Sugar sweet cooperation at Mumias, www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/How-Uhuru-brokered-Sh500m-Mumias-bailout/-/539550/2609858/-/fylg0y/-/index.html NB: i would rather suggest we all go slow. It isn't like lawyers are the only fellows who can loose their tempers in this country. There are countless cane-farmers who were ruined and failed to pay school fees to their children who qualified for good schools. Some of these youth s are now village drunks. Those who ruined the bright futures of others by looting and bankrupting otherwise prosperous companies would do well to have a sense of proportionality, as they becry ills others do against their persons –-like question suspect cash flows in their accounts. (I loved the traffic cop who smiled before the vetting board when he was asked to account for 30M in his accounts, from a salary of 30K over 5 years. ''People … especially motorists, do like to tip traffic cops you know! And I save!'' That is a guy with a sense of reality. I wouldn't recommend he be put before a firing squad, lined against lamp posts or beach trees. But for the rest of the 175 (and counting) who would arm themselves with a battery of top-notch legal brains, all to defend theft, my heart is set. =================================================================== I said lets go easy, coz there are harder options out there. Let us tone down our economic crimes.
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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 1, 2015 20:15:09 GMT 3
Here is Kidero's denial for good order.
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Post by jakaswanga on Apr 25, 2015 21:48:31 GMT 3
and here is the juice[/i] Business is business. All Shabaab and KDF and the Corruption Incorp called the Kenyan state, are partners in profit. That is not news. The news would be why in the fight against Al-Shabaab the Kenyan state has identified those fighting for human rights as terrorist funders and frozen their accounts. Bailing out Mumias while importing sugar from Brazil? Asking for COMESA extensions while importing sugar from Brazil. That one looks smart for those raking illicit millions from this racket. But seen from the perspective of the economic interests of Kenya, it is like a suicide note being written. That Garissa transport company of contraband sugar: the loud-mouthed Duale is very silent about it. I will ask some Ogadeni Somali if he has shares in it. NB: There must be powerful repellent forces within the Ogadeni clan in the NFD and across, that within, it produces the two extremes, namely: 1. the chief government sycophant and leader of the majority, ultra loyalist Aden Duale2. Most-wanted Kenyan, renegade Al-Shabaab cleric ' 'Gamadheere''Mohamed Mohamud alias Dulyadin alias Gamadheere from GarissaRead more at: www.standardmedia.co.ke/thecounties/article/2000157037/police-place-sh20-million-bounty-on-wanted-terror-suspect-mohamed-mohamudThere is need for a cultural in-depth into the crisis at the heart of this entity, churning out a Duale and a Dulyadin to cope. Signs of irreconcilability?
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Post by podp on Apr 26, 2015 6:35:52 GMT 3
[/i] Prebendalism refers to political systems where elected officials, and government workers feel they have a right to a share of government revenues, and use them to benefit their supporters, co-religionists and members of their ethnic group. The term is commonly used to describe the patterns of corruption in Nigeria. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prebendalismnow that Kenya has overtaken Nigeria on graft we need to start analyzing our corrupt Kenyan ruling elites and the pretenders waiting in the wings using the term Prebendalism the man from emaNyulia has been like John the Babtist wailing non stop since the Jubilants stormed the house on the hill. his latest column he cries. The State serves nobody, except those in charge. It is an extractive and thieving State. It has inbuilt mechanism to frustrate every effort to change the order of things. The tribe is for example cheated to believe that it exists as one homogeneous community. The leaders will often be heard speaking of “our community” and “our people.” This is calculated to deceive the tribal underdogs that they are part of the system. If push comes to shove, they will be the tribal cannon fodder. They are happy that their man is in power and that it is their “turn to eat.” Tribal voices that speak against this system are labelled “traitors.” Read more at: standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000159652/goings-on-in-eacc-cause-us-to-think-that-we-have-been-hoodwinked-againflipping the coin to the CORDesians you do not hear any bull fighter taking the arena to Mumias or Nzoia nor do you hear any one reminding Baba that Kisumu Molasses originally Kenya Sugar and Chemical Complex nor the satellites aka Muhoroni, Sony, Awendo, Chemelil etc. sugar factories are managed in a manner not befitting a government in waiting. but system of majambazi raps well
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Post by jakaswanga on Jun 24, 2015 20:21:02 GMT 3
INDUSTRIAL SABOTAGE BY CEO'S AND BAILOUTS BY POLITICIANS
How do I square all this out?
Former directors of Mumias, names known, have looted the company to the ground. No indictment. Also known, is now a no longer secret bank account in Dubai where they are signatory in group or in proxy formation, with an excess of ksh. 1 billion stashed. (denials galore!)
Now the president of Kenya goes to the same sugar millers with a tax payer bailout kitty of the same amount! (I don't dare think this Quixotic! there is a pathological cynicism to it that betrays minds too far gone in the mist, to warrant a hint at the clownishness in the quixotic!)
Folks! is this not one of those tribal moments whence a Chinua Achebe character lost for words at an abomination, says stuff like ... ''the goat has eaten the hair off my head!'
NB: But I love the bit in which Uhuru Kenyatta himself informs the people that 'we all know what is happening', because he himself has bought sugar in Mumias packages elsewhere in the republic, at a price far less than wholesale price at the factory door!
So he knows, I surmise, about the Dubai bank account too. Just as, well-informed guy, he knew at the opening of the Terminal two, that monthly cost of hiring the buses could easily afford 10 NYS posh buses! Just like he knew too, his office is the epicentre of corruption. Yaani, he knows it all, only thing is he can not correct it nor do anything about it, which is his brief as oathed president. This is why I am reducing his ranking from Don Quixote, to President Tom Thumb. -No bigger than his father's thumb, left to run the country, he is swallowed by the moguls of corruption and kept in the pockets of Kings of impunity. Whatever he does, he is doomed to insignificance!
To compete, the whole industry needs a top to bottom restructuring. See what other COMESA states are doing better! Jameni jameni! That is clear economic sabotage!
Can the Kenyan sugar industry compete other COMESA producers, bailout or no bailout? Damn thing as we saw, produces molases @more expensive than imports from Brazil delivered to that Otonglo plant! Ksh. Billion bale out does not handle that. Then there are the truckloads of confectional sugar ferried in from Kismayo courtesy of the KDF and al-shabaab! If one does not handle corruption with an iron fist, all this bailout hullabaloo is a storm in a tea-cup, kafu!
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Post by podp on Jul 17, 2015 18:13:55 GMT 3
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Post by jakaswanga on Jul 17, 2015 19:55:07 GMT 3
www.nation.co.ke/news/Police-fire-in-the-air-as-rival-Khalwale--Kidero-youths-clash/-/1056/2792358/-/o66ylp/-/index.html So the bandit bourgeoisie do think there are no other options!? A Judge called Joseph Sergon has fished a clause in the constitution to bar Dr. Khalwalwe from linking Dr. Kidero to the financial woes of Mumias Sugar Co!? The Kenyan constitution, according the effective interpretation of these learned friends, is vouching for the reputation of Evans Kidero!? That is what thes gagging rulings amount to! (study case). THE STRANGE CASE OF THE WESTON HOTEL THREAT BY THE GRANDMULLAHThe GrandMullah, AhmedNassir Abdulahi, a few months ago, appearing for the Weston Hotel, denied William Ruto had any shares in the hotel, let alone ownership. The famous lawyer then threatened ---and, I suppose, given his power over the legal apparatus--- got the warrant to subpoena anybody linking William Ruto to the Weston Hotel. Then about a month later, live on Television, who else but Kipchirchir Singh himself, achieving a rare moment of clarity of head and memory, confessed the already dead news in Kenya, that he owned the Weston Hotel. (Howbeit Ahmednassir did now sue him!) But worse was to come: two weeks later his memory was even better. The Singh confessed all: he had acquired the land when Raila was PM and Orengo at Lands. He was suggesting the grabbed land on which the hotel stood had been an internal party trade-off during the GCG. Still Ahmednassir did not sue him! Now, on the other side of the coin, has anybody heard Ahmednassir profess ' erroneous conduct'' when he obviously lied publicly and threatened to misuse the law to gag people on discussing the true ownership of the criminally-built Weston Hotel!? Neither has the esteemed judiciary found it necessary to caution him in retrospect. I am telling this story to underwrite just how the Judiciary in Kenya is at a low ebb. An absent CJ Mutunga is pretending it is not within commonwealth law that Ahmednassir apologise to the public, or face disciplinary action for this, unless the Grandmullah officially declares he was misled, and, at the time he issued the threat (to sue anybody who linked the Weston to Ruto, his best information was as he portrayed in the public! This latter course would be dangerous for it would reveal a treasure strove of forged documents!) And now in a parody of the king is dead long live the king, or exit the grandmullah enter the professor! Ruto's Ahmednassir is out of the JSC, and who is his replacement!? -I reckon it is this Kidero's Ojienda! And who is this Ojienda? This is Kidero's suspected consiglieri in the looting of Mumias. Further, he is still Kidero's lawyer, and is the one arranging this Khalwale-gagging orders after arranging for his own Mumias-related accounts to stay in the dark. All would be very well and neat, were it not that we are not all under the spell cast by the intimidatory gimmicks of corrupt lawyers who are in effect, accessories to handling stolen public property. These lawyers are mere facilitators of the loot of public goodies, they are secondary parasites. Now thieves and their accomplices want to use the constitution to intimidate the interrogation of their sources of income.It is the thieves and their accomplices to back down, or else the old historical resolutions must come to bear. faultlnes Luoland. I can state with ease, after thinking it through, that, looking at the pathetic attempt by hired thugs to intimidate Khalwale, shoes Dr.Evans Kidero is the most illustrious case, the most representative case of the -Luo uppity-- reactionary comprador, or the personification of the Luo bandit elite who have risen to the front, making itself rich by public loot, using the proceeds to purchase political power, then using the political power to rent the judicialsystem and insulate themselves from, yes you guessed it, justice! But it is a system! That is why no one other than the president himself intercepted and confiscated the infamous EACC list, to doctor it to his interests before he passed it on! (that is another example of the use of political power to shield guilty classmates from, yes you guessed it, facing the music!) But that is complicated stuff. So the public will be served this one: Bonface Khalwale is a spoiler. Fwacking Luhya ruining the Luhya vote for Raila. My problem is colder and darker. Kidero is soiling TJ Mboya's legacy. The merger of Mboya's lineage to a bandit who would use the law to gag an interrogation of his conduct while custodian of a public utility, is the proof of a ' 'total disclocation from historical personality''. -That is Cabralian. Now some faka Judge or most-likely-bribed Justice is gonna gag my mind from thinking? And some faka professor lawyer who most likely helped design the looting of Mumias is gonna intimidate me from writing off Kidero as a reactionary comprador bandit bourgeoisie?
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Post by podp on Jul 18, 2015 20:05:38 GMT 3
[quote source="/post/133396/thread" timestamp="1437146035" author=" podp" [Some radical Luo economists, purely as academic interest, produced a paper which analysed corruption, ineptitude, mismanagement in Nyanza institutions, and concluded there were no Gikuyus to blame: The pathetic state of Kisumu services then --water, primary schools, lands-office. The white-elephant Siaya Bondo water project, Alensi ma Homabay --voted King of Corruption. Even the success story of Mumias sugar under Kidero, I read was a fake: the EU and Brazil and Russia re-exporting Cuban sugar, could still sell sugar in Kisumu at a cheaper rate than all the sugar companies in Nyanza. 'Your ace-CEO Kidero and his ilk, need MASSIVE STATE PROTECTION to continue their racket'[/i], Thatcherite Dr. Kotieno wrote. Somebody must have suggested it was Kikuyu middlemen [through Gideon Moi] illegally importing sugar to kill off Nyanza industries and punish the Luos. Otieno thought these were obsolete industries that had failed to be innovative in process technology, failed to be efficient in productivity, and were rickety under a bloated stunted management. Uncompetitive both locally and globally. But that is complicated stuff. So the public will be served this one: Bonface Khalwale is a spoiler. Fwacking Luhya ruining the Luhya vote for Raila. My problem is colder and darker. Kidero is soiling TJ Mboya's legacy. The merger of Mboya's lineage to a bandit who would use the law to gag an interrogation of his conduct while custodian of a public utility, is the proof of a ' 'total disclocation from historical personality''. -That is Cabralian. Now some faka Judge or most-likely-bribed Justice is gonna gag my mind from thinking? And some faka professor lawyer who most likely helped design the looting of Mumias is gonna intimidate me from writing off Kidero as a reactionary comprador bandit bourgeoisie? [/quote] Secondly, experts have projected that it requires Sh6 billion to redeem the fortunes of the miller. The state had promised to donate Sh2.3 billion but only gave Sh1 billion. The argument being advanced is that shareholders will chip in and raise the rest of the funds through a rights issue. The Sh1 billion is a welcome effort, but it is laughable. Mumias Sugar is a national asset, and not the property of the Luhya people. In fact, it is listed on the Stock Exchange. The prime duty of any government is to protect jobs. It happened in the US when the Obama administration sunk in billions of dollars to save private motor enterprises from collapse just to save jobs. Jubilee is duty-bound to ensure every effort is explored to keep Mumias up and running to ensure the available jobs are protected at whatever cost. Reducing the serious economic problem surrounding Mumias to a dash for the 2017 votes is slipshod on the part of Jubilee. Thirdly, despite the elaborate fanfare displayed during the Presidential visit, the Luhya leaders came out of the rendezvous looking bad, empty and, I dare say, cheap. Here was that rare opportunity for local leaders to get maximum concession from Jubilee – a regime that has deals with them through a mixture of jingoism and contempt. Mumias Sugar is in deep problems. Sh1 billion was nothing more than a handout. - See more at: www.the-star.co.ke/news/what-gains-jubilee-after-mumias-bailout#sthash.0ZFB2bC8.dpuf
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 4, 2015 20:57:00 GMT 3
KHALWALE VS KIDERO BECOMES AHMEDNASSIR VS OJIENDAWe all know the joke about heavily used pots and kettles in a colour dispute. But before we enjoy that comedy, there is another strip-tease threatened by a public comedian -if we remember his deliberate appointment of Warsame to derail the vetting board. Here is a hint Now, 3 years later, CJ Mutunga having forgotten his earlier sabotage, may be excused for thinking everybody has no memory like him. So here he goes! (remember history repeats itself as farce!) That was the curtain raiser, to give us an idea of how the minds at the top of the judiciary work -we will factor in the comedy show around the former registrar Gladys Boss Shollei later. Today let us restrict ourselves to the Pot versus the kettle, all whiter than pure cotton linen. These are the two top lawyers who slugged it our for the slot at the JSC remember! (Lawyers, Mpigs or MCA's: who are the baddest in town?) (Anyway Ojienda beat Ahmednassir pants down for the JSC slot, and the reasons are fascinating if one talks to the learned friends -Rift valley for instance had an axe to grind with him over Shollei's framing for corruption! Etc etc!)Seriously, this Mr. Judge So&so does not have the mental hygiene to ask the two peaces of soot to find other lucrative cases to darken with their rot, for in this Mumias one they are considerably conflicted, and should be recussed!? Let us enjoy the comedy, but beware the underlying tragedy. In some states serious with their future, the kind of economic sabotage which has brought Mumias low, would be punished with a series of chopped necks, or torsos dangling from goalposts, or ridden with bullets. Kettle or Pot, which is blacker? Which is the fuel saver when cooking? Any vetting board?
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 12, 2015 21:28:57 GMT 3
MUMIAS IS A SAD JOKE! a burst of reality would help!
Managers opened Dubai offshore accounts, others exported and re-imported their own sugar, others imported sugar and repackaged them as Mumias product, others paid lawyers hundreds of millions for unknown services! And that, thinking of the sinking Kenya airways which is the pride of Africa, is a sugar-miller which is the pride of the West! -and industrial giant.
Then you know reality will enter through the front door like some kind of rampaging Tyrannosaurus rex. And only a skeleton will remain.
Ouru Kenyatta's ksh. 1 bilion sweetener was just another scam, but with short-term political games, if you saw the likes of Ababu Namwamba beaming and crooning about the benefits of cooperation with the incumbent!
Now, so soon afterwards, all those charmed washemejis are casting aspersions at M7's and Ouru's backscatching of a few days ago!
My position is clear. Legalise hashish, operationalise the market for cannabis. Our new cash crop.
what of Sugarcane you ask? Ever heard of the IPAS's with the EU -a superpower in cheap beetroot crystal sugar! Ever heard of the COMESA agreements, already (postponed) stretched much too far in favour of Kenya. And now there is the Uganda deal, sweet to Museveni, sour to Raila and his Mumias looters.
Mumias is a Luhya national asset yes -a would-be economic powerhouse under hot management, but the big bad world does not care about nationalist whims fondling white elephant projects. The big bad world has better ways, cheaper ways, efficienter ways to produce and sell sugar to the consumer on the cheap. And that consumer is hard-up and therefore highly price sensitive.
Mumias, like the aforementioned Kenya airways, is not a straightforward bailout story. It is like why the textile industries collapsed in old Europe and moved to Asia; why the slave-based sugarcane plantation industry of the Caribbean collapsed; and why the equally slave-based cotton plantations of the American south folded up.
Some outmoded production relationships, inefficiencies in management and lack of investment in innovative solutions and non implementation of competitive practices, are a sure dead-end when the competition is not subscribed to such a regime of antiquity.
KICOMI, Rivatex, Eveready, even Nokia, Blackberry, TWA and IBM. So too Akamba bus, Kenya Bus! -They just bit the dust. Like Mumias must if it insists on its regime of antiquity.
So we want to raise PROTECTIVE BARRIERS against Ugandan goods/sweets while we are in the same economic union!?
I am with Ouru on this one -though he manages to sound so defensive it means he is equally confused. Kenya boasts an entrepreneurial culture (or we fool ourselves so and our buff is now called!). In principle Kenya has more to gain by open regional borders than closed cocoons. We are the manufacturing powerhouse. But the way we run our state-related companies -dumpyard for faded politicians, backyards of looting and inefficiency and nepotism and cronysm, means we are correct to fear others less competent, but more serious and businesslike, will outstrip us in an open field. They will wipe us off by the better quality of their decision-making, and the stricter implementation of their good business decisions. -- See the story narrating the lament of governor Ojaamong's Busia. -Rents, food, commodities like beer and sex are cheaper on the other side, leading to a daily migration of cash to Uganda. Even me, in Busia I just go across to drink and eat a full meal at a cheaper rate then come back to sh!t in Kenya! Hurrah free borders! (unless you wanna run a smuggling racket!)
Why is Kenyan sugar expensive? Why are Kenyan millers in a mess?
Corruption and looting, while oppressing can growers, using them like slaves, or bonded labour in India. A regime of serfdom.
I am not interested in protecting nor subsidising looting and corruption for whatever purpose. We are big boys. Big Boys cannot wholly avoid the big bad wide world! We shape up or sink.
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Post by hk on Aug 13, 2015 10:19:46 GMT 3
Kenya has the highest production cost of sugar in COMESA as such isn't possible to sustain sugar industry in kenya in the long run unless something about the cost is addressed. Maybe sugar production shifts to coast in Galana irrigation project. The 1b that government loaned to mumias is just postponing the inevitable. Webuye pan panper mill is another white elephant which can't be revived.
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Post by cheshirecat on Aug 13, 2015 11:31:27 GMT 3
MUMIAS IS A SAD JOKE! a burst of reality would help!Managers opened Dubai offshore accounts, others exported and re-imported their own sugar, others imported sugar and repackaged them as Mumias product, others paid lawyers hundreds of millions for unknown services! And that, thinking of the sinking Kenya airways which is the pride of Africa, is a sugar-miller which is the pride of the West! -and industrial giant. Then you know reality will enter through the front door like some kind of rampaging Tyrannosaurus rex. And only a skeleton will remain. Ouru Kenyatta's ksh. 1 bilion sweetener was just another scam, but with short-term political games, if you saw the likes of Ababu Namwamba beaming and crooning about the benefits of cooperation with the incumbent! Now, so soon afterwards, all those charmed washemejis are casting aspersions at M7's and Ouru's backscatching of a few days ago! My position is clear. Legalise hashish, operationalise the market for cannabis. Our new cash crop. what of Sugarcane you ask? Ever heard of the IPAS's with the EU -a superpower in cheap beetroot crystal sugar! Ever heard of the COMESA agreements, already (postponed) stretched much too far in favour of Kenya. And now there is the Uganda deal, sweet to Museveni, sour to Raila and his Mumias looters. Mumias is a Luhya national asset yes -a would-be economic powerhouse under hot management, but the big bad world does not care about nationalist whims fondling white elephant projects. The big bad world has better ways, cheaper ways, efficienter ways to produce and sell sugar to the consumer on the cheap. And that consumer is hard-up and therefore highly price sensitive. Mumias, like the aforementioned Kenya airways, is not a straightforward bailout story. It is like why the textile industries collapsed in old Europe and moved to Asia; why the slave-based sugarcane plantation industry of the Caribbean collapsed; and why the equally slave-based cotton plantations of the American south folded up. Some outmoded production relationships, inefficiencies in management and lack of investment in innovative solutions and non implementation of competitive practices, are a sure dead-end when the competition is not subscribed to such a regime of antiquity. KICOMI, Rivatex, Eveready, even Nokia, Blackberry, TWA and IBM. So too Akamba bus, Kenya Bus! -They just bit the dust. Like Mumias must if it insists on its regime of antiquity. So we want to raise PROTECTIVE BARRIERS against Ugandan goods/sweets while we are in the same economic union!? I am with Ouru on this one -though he manages to sound so defensive it means he is equally confused. Kenya boasts an entrepreneurial culture (or we fool ourselves so and our buff is now called!). In principle Kenya has more to gain by open regional borders than closed cocoons. We are the manufacturing powerhouse. But the way we run our state-related companies -dumpyard for faded politicians, backyards of looting and inefficiency and nepotism and cronysm, means we are correct to fear others less competent, but more serious and businesslike, will outstrip us in an open field. They will wipe us off by the better quality of their decision-making, and the stricter implementation of their good business decisions. -- See the story narrating the lament of governor Ojaamong's Busia. -Rents, food, commodities like beer and sex are cheaper on the other side, leading to a daily migration of cash to Uganda. Even me, in Busia I just go across to drink and eat a full meal at a cheaper rate then come back to sh!t in Kenya! Hurrah free borders! (unless you wanna run a smuggling racket!) Why is Kenyan sugar expensive? Why are Kenyan millers in a mess? Corruption and looting, while oppressing can growers, using them like slaves, or bonded labour in India. A regime of serfdom.I am not interested in protecting nor subsidising looting and corruption for whatever purpose. We are big boys. Big Boys cannot wholly avoid the big bad wide world! We shape up or sink. If you can import sugar from Brazil, ship it half way around the world, pay all taxes, repackage and distribute across the country AND still be able to retail the sugar at a cheaper price than that from Mumias, then you really need to consider is producing sugar is the best way to utilize our resources. I agree that the 1B was a political stunt. but I would get the people of the sugar belt to find something else to do with their land. Honestly, sugar ain't it.
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Post by podp on Aug 14, 2015 8:20:03 GMT 3
Kenya has the highest production cost of sugar in COMESA as such isn't possible to sustain sugar industry in kenya in the long run unless something about the cost is addressed. Maybe sugar production shifts to coast in Galana irrigation project. The 1b that government loaned to mumias is just postponing the inevitable. Webuye pan panper mill is another white elephant which can't be revived. 1st red high light economically growing sugar on less than 70 to 100 acres per person is not worthy it. so on that score you are completely right assuming in Galana the 1,000,000 acres will be all sugar and theta irrigation and fast maturing type will be grown. politically we have the new brand name for RAO as a leader of political poverty. so taking the gaffe of PORK and scoring political points both him and the general leadership of Western and Nyanza will harp on how PORK and Jubilee are impoverishing their people. 2nd red high light very true as the Webuye machinery were first exported to Britain in the 1930s before later being brought to Kenya in the 1960s. actually other than Canada and Scandinavian countries nowhere else on earth is it economical to produce paper from trees. heck we are aiming at 10% forest cover in Kenya and the last thing we need is a paper mill whose raw material is a tree. going forward if we copied Egypt we can produce paper from sugar
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Post by kelly on Aug 14, 2015 12:53:36 GMT 3
...economically growing sugar on less than 70 to 100 acres per person is not worthy it. Do you have studies I can look at? Why I'm asking is because we are nowhere near going to implement the community consolidation into towns to free up farmland for large scale farming. Kenyans love their space and love building homesteads, which eat up land. Unlike Europe or even Asia where some countries like Holland have reached a 4% workforce in agriculture feeding a whole country unlike Kenya which I think is still past 50%. Not only sugar, same can be said of almost all produce. ...politically we have the new brand name for RAO as a leader of political poverty. so taking the gaffe of PORK and scoring political points both him and the general leadership of Western and Nyanza will harp on how PORK and Jubilee are impoverishing their people. This will be interesting. I would like to see how JAP will wriggle out of this one. Add the milk fiasco looming with KICC being shunted in favor of some preferred processers. ...going forward if we copied Egypt we can produce paper from sugar Is this technology that is easily transferrable? Viable? Or is it cheaper we concentrate on growing trees and import all paper products from say Indonesia? Ditto the way we build houses? Instead of wood trusses and roofing, I see almost all homes for middle class and below in Asia being built on angle joints from steel. Only the rich can afford wood for ceilings.
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Post by podp on Aug 14, 2015 19:53:27 GMT 3
Do you have studies I can look at? Why I'm asking is because we are nowhere near going to implement the community consolidation into towns to free up farmland for large scale farming. Kenyans love their space and love building homesteads, which eat up land. Unlike Europe or even Asia where some countries like Holland have reached a 4% workforce in agriculture feeding a whole country unlike Kenya which I think is still past 50%. Not only sugar, same can be said of almost all produce. assuming you can read and hence transfer the technical knowhow from paper to practice try understanding that sugar (both for tea i.e. table sugar or industrial refined for beverage production) is a secondary product in mature countries. The energy and environmental crises which the modern world is experiencing is forcing to re-evaluate the efficient utilization or finding alternative uses for natural, renewable resources, using clean technologies. In this regard, lignocellulosic biomass holds considerable potential to meet the current energy demand of the modern world. www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1687850714000119that aside in Egypt farmers complain even though 'Egypt produces 1.5 million tonnes of sugar, and the crop takes up 47.7 percent of the total farmed area nationwide at 325,700 feddans. Of this total, 117,700 feddans, according to official data from last year, are located in Qena.' english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/3/12/97906/Business/Economy/Cultivation-of-sugarcane-takes-toll-on-Egypts-farm.aspx
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 14, 2015 23:33:59 GMT 3
HOW COTTON INDUSTRY DIED COULD HOLD PRETTY GOOD LESSONS!The cotton seed and lint company had a monopoly. Purchased all the produced cotton, set the price, and distributed seed. It set the price too low; took two years to pay out cotton farmers, and delivered seed after the planting season was gone.You had to be a desperate fool to be still farming cotton (true, fishing in the lake was a ready alternative for the young, the bodaboda of those days). But there was a window of opportunity for a while. Taiwan and Hongkong were developing a textile industry, and they were raiding the whole world for cheap cotton. Tanzania was a leading exporter of cotton wool to the East - Nyerere had his connections there. Mwalimu too failed to till a textile industry from the ground! Soon all the cotton in Kenya was being smuggled across the border, to Tz and to Asia. Yes, Kenyan managers beholden to politicians had stabbed the nation in the back. Kicomi, Rivatex and what have you, all died. We became consumers of cheap textile imports from the east, with Kenyan cotton to boot! I saw the end of the cotton industry in Nyanza with my own eyes. So I reckon the way Cotton went could easily be the template for the Sugarcane industry! (We have many millers who have never worked at their full economic throttle, and that is more of a human factor!) It does not have to be like that. But the radical mental reform needed in management is outside our scope for the moment. So our industries must bite the dust in competition from hardier breeds. It is a ruthless lesson worth learning early. A shock therapy. The political risk is of course huge: the population base dependent on say the Mumias Sugar belt, if ruined, must find new economic keep. They will in the long run, but in the short-term! It is a bomb. Like already you see militia being organised on the routes to slash the tires of lorries ferrying imported Uganda sugar. Meanwhile people like Aden Duale and William Ruto are misreading the depth of the crisis -it all about Raila to them. This thing is deep, I say double deep. That is why I say our new cash crop is hashish, legalise that thing! Meanwhile Ouru and Museveni conducted highly profitable personal business while hiding under the cloaks of state office. It is a great class economic move for them as a power-elite, but a very dangerous political gamble, you know, like those old days when royal houses of Europe intermarried to perpetuate their rule forever! Then something happened and the rest is history.
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 15, 2015 9:45:34 GMT 3
KAKAMEGA: 1. SWEET SUGAR AND ITS TOXIC POLITICSRead more at: www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000172852/mcas-issue-a-one-week-notice-for-uhuru-to-cancel-sugar-deal-with-ugandaBONNY KHALWALE: It will and it must. What have you people been doing all these years if not watching the industry rot? Was not this Khalwale chairman of PAC in the (10th parliament) whose speaker was Kenneth Marende? And is it now that the bull-fighter recognises the rot at Mumias? When one does not put their house in order in time, one day, time and tide waiting for no man, the outside world and its harsh reality floods in. Things can be done to turn Sugar industry around in Kenya -Think of Safaricom from the moribund Kenya telecoms of old. But it is beyond these politicking men, angling for votes in the next elections. Jubilee or Cord. Alex Khamasi: Quite right unfortunately. But have we not been watching it die slowly? Just like Kenya Railways died. A bailout must have cutthroat conditions. Cutthroat? It is not secret who brought down Mumias in this case, and ruined a Million Luhya lives. If those lives really matter, the thieves who are all known would be stripped of their ill-gotten loot and then handed over to canecutters for some cutting. But these are politicians whose words have no meaning other than amusement. True, the invitation was already accepted, before contradictions arose from the ground: the charge traitors! But I like Namwamba's insight that inviting only Luhya Mpigs was in bad faith, given Sugar concerns are a nationwide issue, felt all the way to the coast, not speaking of Nyanza. The cynicism which must have informed Ouru Kenyatta's statehouse strategy in deciding to invite only Luhya Mpigs is highly informative in its lack of concern for the industry as a whole. Caught pants down in this miscalculation, we now have the Jubilee dogs barking along the Western trail, unfortunately they (Ruto, Duale and Murkomem of URP) are only attacking Raila! Ruto had a slip of the tongue in public: 'they importing sugar from far and repackaging it as local produce. Na TUNAWAJUA HAWA WATU!'How long has he (and who else in Jubilee) known them!?NB: Remember KDF in Kismayo and the trucks that run through Al-Shabaab territory to Garissa? www.sugarinfo.co.uk/website_contents/view/1236651 www.coastweek.com/3638-latest-news-kenya-impounds-sugar-consignment-from-egypt.htm Yes, Aden Duale's backyard has been the epicentre of Sugar smuggling. And just like he -major tongue slip-- knows who the terrorists are but wont say, so does he know the Kingpins of smuggling but wont say! That is fair and square, he is a politician in Kenya after all. One hardly expects human behaviour from such mutant sub species. Eg. This is from 2010, long before Jubilee. And when operation Lind Nchi went full throttle, did the smuggling stop!? No amount of internal repression William Ruto exerted could keep the truth bottled: ''we know these people'', he said. Just like his sidekick Duale too with the terrorists! Just like it was in Sicilian towns. Everyone knew who the mafia clans and who the capos were. But did they say? Stephen Ambulwa: Statement of fact yes. But we are ready to vote for them. A stalemate Hassan Isack thinks will be broken if elected offices are only occupied by graduates!(Send all your footsoldiers to college, incase you have a coup one day, and it is warlord time in Nairobi!) Precautions you know! Since history can zigzag! Robert Makamu: yes, the 1 million people in Western whose livelihood is sugar, my foot! My stomach first politics! May be the bribe offered by state house was not high enough to warrant political suicide! This sugar thing looks a bitter taste on the ground. It took the Luhya Mpigs a while to realise that, and abandon the 'sugar' invitation last minute! One could also think, were the factories and the industry well-run, they could have been producing sugar at such a competitive rate, and such quantities, that, not only would the local price make importation/smuggling redundant, but also there would remain a surplus for export/dumping overseas! But now! Wo! The heat from the fall out! Sweet Mumias is now toxic politics! --------- Continued. (KAKAMEGA: 2. THE CONTRADICTIONS WITHIN THE POLITICAL CLASS SURFACE)
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Post by podp on Aug 16, 2015 8:11:09 GMT 3
Meanwhile Ouru and Museveni conducted highly profitable personal business while hiding under the cloaks of state office. It is a great class economic move for them as a power-elite, but a very dangerous political gamble, you know, like those old days when royal houses of Europe intermarried to perpetuate their rule forever!
Then something happened and the rest is history.it starts to get clear as the clouds depart and the sky gets blue www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Kenya-Uganda-Sugar-Deal-Imports-Government/-/1064/2834438/-/3ccqu3/-/index.htmlWell, yes, if we’re talking literally; you’d find few out-and-proud intra-familial newlyweds these days taking the floor to the Elvis classic ‘Kissin’ Cousins’, and singing heartily along to its somewhat disconcerting refrain: “I’ve got a gal, she’s as cute as can be/She’s a distant cousin but she’s not too distant with me… We’re all cousins, that’s what I believe/Because we’re children of Adam and Eve.” But scientists suggest that the Habsburgs et al were just putting into admittedly over-literal practice a trait that may be hard-wired within us all, citing studies that show that, when it comes to choosing partners, people tend to opt for those who are strikingly similar to themselves — a phenomenon called assortative mating. The similarities range from social to psychological and physical, even down to earlobe length. therakeonline.com/men-dressing-stylishly-rake-style/exploring-one-of-the-last-taboos-incest/a nicer book can be read at books.google.co.ke/books?id=Kn5wTC8ifoUC&pg=PA115&lpg=PA115&dq=how+the+elites+in+Germany+crumpled&source=bl&ots=IHpccvEjN4&sig=5hV2aqr5qobC9zUNbLfadmCuWsI&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=how%20the%20elites%20in%20Germany%20crumpled&f=false
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 16, 2015 10:04:54 GMT 3
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Post by omundustrong on Aug 17, 2015 10:03:20 GMT 3
The same farmer who plants cane buys sugar at Kshs.200,does this benefit him at all?The bigger picture is to address issues of corruption in the procurement of sugar,ensure we import cheaper sugar to meet the shortfall,that way, all consumers of sugar laugh all the way to the supermarket.As it is now sugarcane farming in Western Kenya is a poverty crop.While at it lets name and shame the sugar barons.My vote will neither be lost nor gained by the politics surrounding the sugar!
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Post by podp on Aug 18, 2015 9:23:59 GMT 3
The same farmer who plants cane buys sugar at Kshs.200,does this benefit him at all?The bigger picture is to address issues of corruption in the procurement of sugar,ensure we import cheaper sugar to meet the shortfall,that way, all consumers of sugar laugh all the way to the supermarket.As it is now sugarcane farming in Western Kenya is a poverty crop.While at it lets name and shame the sugar barons.My vote will neither be lost nor gained by the politics surrounding the sugar! Local manufacturers are producing a kilo of sugar at Sh87, the MPs reported, which is three-fold the Sh29 it would cost a comparable mill in Malawi. A recent report from the Kenya Sugar Board found that the landed price of imported sugar was on average Sh62 per kilo, but could be lower depending on individual millers’ efficiencies. Read more at: www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000173216/here-is-how-the-sugar-import-business-is-big-big-moneyA belated Government strategic master plan commits itself to a sector overhaul that still seems impossible to deliver. Is this the way to go? Maybe, but strategic options should be based on whether the sugar industry is viable or not. If it is not viable, Western Kenya farmers can be advised to replace the crop and let Kenya import sugar or grow cane in other areas, like the Coast region. If it is viable, then why has the Government not yet managed to solve the perennial problems that plague the sector? I believe the solution is to privatise the sector. This is because every form of organisation is meant to be a particular way — a government as an institution is not meant to be efficient, rather, it is meant to be functional, creating an enabling environment for development. The private sector, on the other hand, is meant to be efficient. Thus, our journey to sugar sufficiency is going to the defined by the involvement of the private sector, if not privatization. Read more at: www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000173229/is-kenya-s-sh55b-sugar-industry-worth-fighting-to-save?articleID=2000173229&story_title=is-kenya-s-sh55b-sugar-industry-worth-fighting-to-save&pageNo=3red high light that is why the proposal to grow marihuana makes better economic sense rather than the sugarcane for farmers in former Western and Nyanza provinces
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 20, 2015 14:52:15 GMT 3
The same farmer who plants cane buys sugar at Kshs.200,does this benefit him at all?The bigger picture is to address issues of corruption in the procurement of sugar,ensure we import cheaper sugar to meet the shortfall,that way, all consumers of sugar laugh all the way to the supermarket.As it is now sugarcane farming in Western Kenya is a poverty crop.While at it lets name and shame the sugar barons.My vote will neither be lost nor gained by the politics surrounding the sugar! OS Trade permanent secretary Karanja Kibicho: "Kenya has exhausted all allowable protectionist periods under international guidelines agreed to under comesa. Comesa will not consider another request. Unilateral action by Kenya would spark a significant diplomatic row, eventually leading to Kenyan goods being blocked from eg Uganda in retaliation!' March 2016 Kenya opens borders to tax-free sugar imports! Willy Nilly. Malawi sugar production costs are x4 lower than Kenya's. The only bailout I see is bankruptcy for our sugar industry. Politicians have not woken up yet to the end of the sugarcane era. This is an economic crash which will draw blood. Mesays the respective counties should grow the holy plant!
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 20, 2015 15:13:33 GMT 3
If Mr. Ouru Kenyatta can avoid his strange talent for scoring own goals, he could be counted a lucky man. All the big opponents are ensnared in mudslinging operations, with Ruto and Raila at their best smearing each other. Kalonzo is otherwise engaged. ODM, trying to exploit the sugar issue, will run sooner than later into whooping internal contradiction: Evans Kidero.
First Opiyo Wandayi wanted Kidero fixed like any robber and trigger happy kwekwe in them wildwest days. Now wandayi has changed his mercenary mind: he fronts amendments which will see Kidero go Scott free even as others are hanged!
This confused Wandayi is the ODM secretary for political affairs! The sugar has gone into his head I would say!
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Post by jakaswanga on Aug 20, 2015 17:16:49 GMT 3
If Mr. Ouru Kenyatta can avoid his strange talent for scoring own goals, he could be counted a lucky man. All the big opponents are ensnared in mudslinging operations, with Ruto and Raila at their best smearing each other. Kalonzo is otherwise engaged. ODM, trying to exploit the sugar issue, will run sooner than later into whooping internal contradiction: Evans Kidero. First Opiyo Wandayi wanted Kidero fixed like any robber and trigger happy kwekwe in them wildwest days. Now wandayi has changed his mercenary mind: he fronts amendments which will see Kidero go Scott free even as others are hanged! This confused Wandayi is the ODM secretary for political affairs! The sugar has gone into his head I would say! But the son of Jomo is laboured, and ever seems unable to break free from the most primitive segments of his classmates. These are the economic saboteurs running scams. Think of the security moguls who he himself said, operated out of his office. Think of the land cartels colonising the NLC; think of the inflated SGR tender and now the stalling financing of the berths JICA of Japan was scheduled to tend; and now, true to his broken-hostage-situation, he has been manoeuvred by sugar cartels into signing a secretive deal with M7, a deal which, last minute, gives the sugar barons an opportunity to make a last killing before COMESA exceptions expire in March next year. The result is now an inescapable narrative of a prezzo whi is out to destroy the livelihood of 2m of a people from a specific homeland. That's a disastrous place to be!
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Post by jakaswanga on Jul 1, 2018 21:56:15 GMT 3
I was still working 'toward replacing the sugar industry in Western Kenya, when this one caught my eye! --Candle manufacturers against Sunlight? find something else to do! But what now, even when we import, we import WORST QUALITY!? That one looks to me to be a problem beyond the economics of supply and demand and free markets!
We want cheap posion in our diet? I bet we can manage that locally produced! ---Meanwhile I don't hear any Plan B's for the sugar belt! End of the cash crop era!?
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