t2011
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Post by t2011 on Nov 18, 2014 20:09:52 GMT 3
Yesterday's demonstration in town by some nudity peddlers going by another name of my dress is my choice , has brought it's ugly head of what dressing etiqutte is in kenya . Since our women anchors on TV started showing us their cleavages, body morphology and rounded behinds in the full glare of families in the 7 oclock and 9 oclock and some talk shops the vice has now gone a notch higher all over kenya where women are working nude all over . But let me put it squarely right, this women no matter that they are employed or married or single they share one thing in common they are not being fashionable but sex peddlers .
They are in business no matter where they are in offices , tv , matatus , bars and streets they are just peddling the stuff called sex . especially in nairobi nowadays women folks are living on sex , they are peddling the stuff kwenda mbele without any concern.
So Esther Passaris and Co were just defending their turf of being sex peddlers. while pretending that they are demanding the right to wear what they want . If so i did not see any thongs , see throughs , transparent body pants they were fearing to abuse the brand that is sex .
So let us remind them , if you are my sister , aunt , mother or whatever women folk what we demand from you to gain respect is decent dressing anything less than that it will get the contempt that it deserves.
Above all nudity is for the bedroom and bathroom and for your husbands and boyfriends , what do we have to do with your dirty soiled under pants in public view kama si ujinga . And to all those men who go showing us their buttocks and anus your days are numbered we demand dress etiquette period no negotiation..
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Post by Luol Deng on Nov 19, 2014 17:18:02 GMT 3
t2011,
I will assume that this latest posting is inspired by the strippings that have been taking place of late. Everyone has their value system relating to a whole range of matters including dressing. We also have implicit & explicit standards governing dress both in formal settings and informal ones. The problem that I have is when a bunch of idlers and layabouts arrogate themselves the role of determining what is decent and what isn't. I have been to many African countries where the ladies that are considered "scantily clad" locally would be considered to be conservatively dressed. Do I approve of the dressing of all men & women I meet? Absolutely not, and that opinion cuts both ways. How one reacts to such a situation is what will determine whether we are living in the 21st century or the dark ages.
As for sex peddlers, we as Kenyans have turned hypocrisy into an art form. I agree that sex should not be turned into a spectator sport, but the stations that are thriving most in the urban areas are those that dish out sex related topics on air any time of day, those contributors to the sleaze are not Martians, they are Kenyans.
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Post by omundustrong on Nov 20, 2014 15:46:14 GMT 3
There are no absolute rights,your rights end where mine start,we can shout ourselves hoarse about my dress my choice,but the fact remains that common sense and decency has always dictated our dressing code,we may not legislate or have a moral policing authority but your conscience will always tell you when you are appropriately dressed or not.Most of the demonstrators i saw were indecently dressed!
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Post by podp on Nov 20, 2014 20:22:15 GMT 3
There are no absolute rights,your rights end where mine start,we can shout ourselves hoarse about my dress my choice,but the fact remains that common sense and decency has always dictated our dressing code,we may not legislate or have a moral policing authority but your conscience will always tell you when you are appropriately dressed or not.Most of the demonstrators i saw were indecently dressed! When my mother was growing up in the 60s and 70s, all of her photos show her in short minis, it was normal back then and didn’t put you in any danger, she says. It’s the same for all my friends, whose grainy photos of their mothers in miniskirts, big afros and platform shoes are a regular feature in photo albums. But the shift in the power balance also explains why in recent decades, violence against women has spiked considerably. Men in general, and African men in particular, have seen the power balance tip away from them. Women are more educated, more financially independent, and are making more of the big decisions. It’s not entirely a sinister scheme of the feminists – the economy of the 21st century simply favours social intelligence, technology and innovation, brute strength is no longer a critical factor of production. The World Economic Forum’s Global Gender Gap report shows that of the 33 African countries surveyed, 22 have reached, or are nearing, equal boys and girls enrolled in primary school, and for 11 – concentrated in eastern and southern Africa – there are actually more girls than boys enrolled in school. Women now outnumber men in their participation in the labour market, again in east and southern Africa – Malawi, Mozambique, m.mgafrica.com/article/2014-11-19-you-wouldnt-think-it-but-violence-against-women-points-to-their-rising-status-in-society/#.VG4irxYXfFI |
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Post by podp on Nov 20, 2014 20:42:47 GMT 3
t2011, I will assume that this latest posting is inspired by the strippings that have been taking place of late. Everyone has their value system relating to a whole range of matters including dressing. We also have implicit & explicit standards governing dress both in formal settings and informal ones. The problem that I have is when a bunch of idlers and layabouts arrogate themselves the role of determining what is decent and what isn't. I have been to many African countries where the ladies that are considered "scantily clad" locally would be considered to be conservatively dressed. Do I approve of the dressing of all men & women I meet? Absolutely not, and that opinion cuts both ways. How one reacts to such a situation is what will determine whether we are living in the 21st century or the dark ages. As for sex peddlers, we as Kenyans have turned hypocrisy into an art form. I agree that sex should not be turned into a spectator sport, but the stations that are thriving most in the urban areas are those that dish out sex related topics on air any time of day, those contributors to the sleaze are not Martians, they are Kenyans. 1st red high light Model Pranksters TV painted a woman’s legs to look like she was wearing jeans and then she walked around the streets of midtown. Body art company The Body Of Art did such a convincing job of making the model appear as if she has pants on, when in reality, she does not. The brave lady, Leah Jung, rode the subway, strolled through Times Square, walked around the garment district, and even went shopping. While it’s surprising that no one notices that she’s bare down below, it’s even crazier that the paint doesn’t rub off when she’s making her way through the congested crowds of Times Square. www.yahoo.com/style/i-grew-up-just-outside-of-manhattan-and-my-father-102623555043.htmlso I fully agree with you we have too many idlers who feel intimidated by ladies who appear well off than the idlers are. power games kick in. usually it is a lowly man who gets impotent in the face of a lady well above him financially and in trying to 'put her down' the terrible acts of stripping ladies occur. impunity too has a contribution as the law enforcers are yet to apply the same zeal as when a State house vehicle went missing and in less than a week all the suspects were in custody. 2nd red high light www.africareview.com/News/Kenya-sex-workers-ready-to-pay-tax/-/979180/1360640/-/4mvhnmz/-/index.htmln Holland the girls even have their own trade union. Prostitution has been recognized as a profession as long as I can remember. It has brought the ladies a lot of benefits: health care, hygiene, security status, safety and a voice in the public debate. These ladies are doing their jobs under harsh circumstances and women have used the freedom to express their needs in public, like what’s happening now in Kenya. That culture of debate brought us where we are now: we are in the Top 10 economies of the world, the Dutch are among the happiest people in the world and most of all men and have equal rights and even prostitutes are decent citizens. With their message that they are ready to pay tax, the Kenyan women are implying legalization of the oldest profession in the world. With a reason: these ladies are taking a lot of risks each time they join a client. Here in Kenya, these ladies are often treated as second rang citizens, or even less than a street boy. Being a sex worker and female, makes you the lowest of the lowest in Kenyan society. Yet, this sector is contributing a lot of money to Kenya’s economy, the money the girls are removing from the pockets of the seeking men, is being pumped back in the Kenyan economy through school fees, vegetables, tourism etc. A lot of African girls have children at a very young age. In Kenya the situation is not different. A lot of guys seem to leave when babies arrive and as a consequence a lot of girls have to survive single handed as a single mom, being an outcast to the rest of the family. A relationship has a big practical component: the man has to bring in the money for the family. If that income disappears, the often not educated mother is on her own. The child she had on a very young age, forced her out of school. thedailyjournalist.com/thethinker/kenyan-sex-workers-signs-of-progress/so again here you are spot on. Kenya Revenue Authority would boost its tax net and collections. health workers would be able to manage, monitor and draw better conclusions on STDs and HIV/AIDs spread. researchers in universities would get better statistics and come up with better thinking on policies, institutions to be legislated and projections for future which would feed in better planning by government, NGOs and any other concerned parties |
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Post by t2011 on Nov 21, 2014 17:10:50 GMT 3
The fashion blah blah talk is not lending meaning to the my dress my choice madness neither is it giving credence to walking nude , sitting nude , showing all private body parts to all to see. Then what is the meaning of the dress or the cloth . Swahili's say " Vaa nguo ikusitiri" na "anguo ni stara" literally meaning that clothes maketh the person , you look decent in clothes not the other way round . So women each and every clothe has a place you cannot wear swim suit and go with it to a board meeting unless that board meeting is for harlots , prostitutes and gays meeting. So this issue of women wearing clothes that are so revealing is itself breaching our civil rights to peace of mind not to coerce and force us to see what we do not want to see in the name of human rights that is hogwash. Here is Esther Muthoni Passaris in her element make your judgement. 2.bp.blogspot.com/_85SeeZsUHYM/SFiiSqldtiI/AAAAAAAAAAU/-yjoYhVCODM/s1600-h/Passaris.JPG |
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Post by OtishOtish on Nov 21, 2014 19:35:56 GMT 3
This is totally irrelevant, but, for some reason, it came to mind: As a teenager I did not have the verbal skills to get what, most of the time, I needed ... or at least wanted. Wanted badly. During the long stretches of "hunger", I would get quite agitated---even angry---whenever I saw "indecently-dressed" women walking about. Funnily enough, though, whenever I got a chance to be satiated, the "indecent dressing" did not bother me one bit; in fact, I "appreciated" it.
Still, things have definitely gone too far these days. There was a time in Kenya when it was agreed that "common sense" and "decency" required that a woman not wear trousers. And now look! They wear even shorts!
Maybe what Kenya needs is a rigorous "guide-book" about "decent" and "common-sense" dressing. And it must be carefully crafted so that it can take into account, say, t2011's objections about
"rounded behinds in the full glare of families in the 7 oclock and 9 oclock"
Women with "rounded behinds" can hardly do anything about nature; so the "guide-book" could say that such women must dress in huge sacks that hide such behinds. A similar rule would be required for women endowed in the upper regions. There are also men who really get worked up about the legs or the neck (shingo ya upanga etc.). A friend of mine likes women with a huge head of hair, because he claims it indicates a bush downstairs. Must cover head, for decency. Even feet send some guys dizzy. Must cover feet, for decency.
Etc. Etc. Etc.
All considered, I think the Taliban's is the best way for "decency" and "common-sense dressing". Cover everything in a shapeless mass of clothes. Black, of course; with white or light colours, there is always the chance of the dark outlines of a nipple or a bush showing.
Where's Mullah Omar when you need him?
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Post by jakaswanga on Nov 22, 2014 22:39:37 GMT 3
This is totally irrelevant, but, for some reason, it came to mind: As a teenager I did not have the verbal skills to get what, most of the time, I needed ... or at least wanted. Wanted badly. During the long stretches of "hunger", I would get quite agitated---even angry---whenever I saw "indecently-dressed" women walking about. Funnily enough, though, whenever I got a chance to be satiated, the "indecent dressing" did not bother me one bit; in fact, I "appreciated" it.
Still, things have definitely gone too far these days. There was a time in Kenya when it was agreed that "common sense" and "decency" required that a woman not wear trousers. And now look! They wear even shorts!
Maybe what Kenya needs is a rigorous "guide-book" about "decent" and "common-sense" dressing. And it must be carefully crafted so that it can take into account, say, t2011's objections about
"rounded behinds in the full glare of families in the 7 oclock and 9 oclock"
Women with "rounded behinds" can hardly do anything about nature; so the "guide-book" could say that such women must dress in huge sacks that hide such behinds. A similar rule would be required for women endowed in the upper regions. There are also men who really get worked up about the legs or the neck (shingo ya upanga etc.). A friend of mine likes women with a huge head of hair, because he claims it indicates a bush downstairs. Must cover head, for decency. Even feet send some guys dizzy. Must cover feet, for decency.
Etc. Etc. Etc.
All considered, I think the Taliban's is the best way for "decency" and "common-sense dressing". Cover everything in a shapeless mass of clothes. Black, of course; with white or light colours, there is always the chance of the dark outlines of a nipple or a bush showing.
Where's Mullah Omar when you need him?
We were discussing it here Otishotish. The ankole-longhorn aka M7, had moved to ban mini-skirts. jukwaa.proboards.com/thread/8962/dress-african-woman-miniskirt-skimpyWhat we are watching is the concerted use of conservative sexual morality to appease the primitive instincts of a population disoriented in the harsh glare of an immoral political class. From Zuma to Al-Sisi public affairs is rotten. Then there is need to deflect the moral outrage --tightly rounded behinds like those of Linda Okello the Kiambu cop, become the public menace! (and not the imbecile rules of Kiir or Kenyatta). |
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Post by OtishOtish on Nov 22, 2014 23:24:20 GMT 3
Jakaswanga:
Yes, the masses need distractions. Profit Dr. Kanyari at one end, and at the other end ... another kind of end?
Anyways ... I am a strong believer in history, tradition, culture, and accumulated wisdom; so on critical matters---and rounded behinds appear to be critical to many---I have always been guided by the wise words of our wazees:
At 2:16-2:18, and in English: "a woman with". And what is to be done with the "with"? As explained, some things require the slow and calculated deliberation of an English gentleman. (I have my doubts as to whether the latter could really tackle what is described.) And you better have spectacles, so as not to miss a single aspect!
You should translate some of it for our fellow Jukwaaists---I'm not as good with such things----especially the bit about "just the way it shakes ...confirms that some food is reserved for serious and mature men". That means people like me and, after sufficient pupillage under my guidance, you too.
Tiach!
That's what my forefathers thought of "round behinds". Still, these are modern times, and the youth have no time for age-old wisdom. |
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