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Post by phil on Sept 30, 2010 18:50:01 GMT 3
After the by-elections, more shock for PNU coalition as bunge rejects PNU nominees. Something tells me this session of parliament is going to be more about succession politics than about implementing the constitution.
House fails to endorse implementation committee, adjourns debate to Tuesday
By James Ratemo
Parliament has failed to endorse committee to implement new constitution citing lack of proper consultation. Debate on the same has now been adjourned to Tuesday afternoon.
Members of the Party of National Unity traded accusations over lack of consultation turning parliament into a verbal battle- ground.
Foreign affairs Minister, Moses Wetangula proposed the adjournment to allow for wider consultation so as to give the implementation process a smooth start.
... More on this story coming Kalonzo has been handed LBG when the PNU house is crumbling. The bank bench is becoming assertive and the KKK alliance is not working as expected. Well, Kalonzo asked for it. Let him now go back to Kibaki - the appointing authority - and cry for help in whipping PNU members. Kenyans should pray that parliament does not subvert the implementation of the new constitution because of partisan politics and Kibaki succession battles in PNU. Finally, the common thread that held the lose PNU coalition together is no longer attractive and offers no significance. For the last 5 odd years, that common factor has been Raila Odinga. With imminent ICC indictments, Kibaki succession and new constitution, its everyman for himself and god for us all. ;D |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Sept 30, 2010 19:11:53 GMT 3
So PNU IS holding us hostage, after stealing the 2007 election and screwing up the country?
What a crying shame
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Post by adongo23456 on Sept 30, 2010 19:28:07 GMT 3
phil, The tower of Babel is in complete chaos as usual. But a few things. It seems that parliament adjourned, on Wetangula's request before a vote was held. I think if a vote was held, parliament would still have approved the list and let the PNU chaps take their fights outside to the bars. I think parliament should not allow itself to be held at ransom because of wrangles in political parties. Next time the Speaker should not accept such requests. Hold the vote and let M.Ps reject the list or accept it. Otherwise we are going to have all sorts of petty fights and political rivalries holding down the business of the nation. The M.Ps know very well that if they sabotage the constitutional implementation process, they are toast. Folks will move to court as provided by the constitution and compel the president to dissolve parliament. So the katiba gives these chaps no room for mischief. They have been put in their place by the clever provisions the CoE fixed in the katiba. M.Ps would like to strangle those good Kenyans if they could get a chance. I think the way the committee was done was OK from the ODM side. They decided to go with low key M.Ps and left out the big mouths who want to use every opportunity to advance their own personal and political interests. ODM also did a good job with regional and gender representation (four women). PNU on the other hand went to some high profile big shots and some blow hard politicians like Beth Mugo and Chirau. This committee although important is still merely an oversight body. They will be useful when bills are brought to parliament because I suppose they would have to approve each bill and defend them in parliament but it is not a do or die committee. There is no need for the PNU chaps to be fighting over it. adongo |
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Post by phil on Sept 30, 2010 19:31:46 GMT 3
PNU are not serious united. You can see from the story here.
House fails to agree on crucial law team list
By LUCAS BARASA
Posted Thursday, September 30 2010 at 18:25
Parliament has adjourned debate on the composition of members to the crucial oversight committee charged with implementation of the new Constitution.
The House agreed to defer debate to Tuesday to allow "wider consultations" among political parties after a heated debate over alleged unilateral decision made by leaders in the appointments.
The split in the PNU coalition was evident in the House as a majority of its members criticised its leadership over the composition of the committee immediately after Leader of Government Business Kalonzo Musyoka moved a motion for the adoption of the names.
Nakuru Town MP Lee Kinyanjui fired the first salvo saying members were not consulted as required by the standing orders.
Mr Kinyanjui was supported by Laikipia West MP Ndiritu Muriithi, Bifwoli Wakoli (Bumula), Kimilili MP Eseli Simiyu and ministers John Munyes and Moses Wetangula
The PNU MPs complained that the list of committee members was not representative and that some regions were favoured.
Accusing the party leadership of dictatorship, they said the failure by the PNU leadership could interfere with the implementation of new Constitution.
"The list does not portray gender, ethnic and geographical balance. The first five are from Eastern. Does Eastern portray the image of Kenya?" Mr Muriithi asked.
M Kinyanjui took issue with PNU's move to include two Cabinet ministers in the list.
"We can't just do things in a hurry because we want to meet deadline," Mr Kinyanjui said.
Mr Musyoka, Trade minister Chirau Mwakwere and Njeru Githae (Nairobi Metropolitan Development) had a difficult time defending the list saying enough consultations were held.
Only Livestock assistant minister Adan Duale opposed the adoption of the list insisting that ODM too did not hold consultations.
Co-Government chief whip Jakoyo Midiwo, MPs Millie Odhiambo (nominated) and Bahari MP Benedict Gunda defended the list saying not all the 222 MPs could be included.
They further said ODM held necessary consultations and accused Mr Duale of being insincere by stating that none were held.
The committee is crucial for the implementation of the new Constitution.
Mr Midiwo said it should have been created 60 days ago after the promulgation of new constitution on August 27.
"Only 30 days remain now," Mr Midiwo said.
(PNU) and ODM submitted 13 and 14 names respectively to the House Business Committee, which met for two hours Wednesday evening.
The 27 names, with only two Cabinet ministers, Chirau Ali Mwakwere (PNU, Trade) and Beth Mugo (PNU, Public Health) was set for adoption before the turn of events.
Other members who had been proposed include: Abdikadir Mohammed, Wifred Ombui, David Ngugi, Amina Abdallah, Ekwee Ethuro, Martha Karua, Kilemi Mwiria, Philip Kioko, Charles Kilonzo, Cecily Mbarire and Wavinya Ndeti representing PNU wing of government.
ODM had settled for Ababu Namwamba, Danson Mwazo, Maalim Mohamed, Joyce Laboso, Joseph Nkaissery, Charles Onyancha, Alfred Khangati, John Mbadi, Elizabeth Ongoro, Julius Murgor, Lucas Chepkitony, Benedict Gunda, Rachel Shebesh and Mille Odhiambo.
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Post by job on Sept 30, 2010 19:32:58 GMT 3
Adongo,
Who are ODM's members of the Oversight Committee?
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Post by adongo23456 on Sept 30, 2010 19:38:47 GMT 3
Adongo, Who are ODM's members of the Oversight Committee? phil has posted them up there. I am very impressed with the women contingent from ODM. That is a smart lot. Even the M.Ps they have although low key are some of the smarter M.Ps they have. This is going to be a different story from the vultures of Naivasha who sold their souls to fight you know who and forgot even the needs of their own constituency. Those chaps alomost ruined everything but the CoE called their bluff and now here we are. |
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Post by phil on Sept 30, 2010 19:40:17 GMT 3
Adongo, Who are ODM's members of the Oversight Committee? Our posts must have crossed. The list is on the story above: ODM's list is representative. And there are no cabinet ministers. |
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Post by job on Sept 30, 2010 20:18:22 GMT 3
Phil & Adongo,
Thanks. Keeping cabinet ministers out of ODM's list is a change.
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Post by Luol Deng on Oct 1, 2010 1:04:23 GMT 3
I'm impressed by the ODM list, it has no drama queens who would like to make the process about themselves. Let us see what PNU will come up with next.
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Post by shifta on Oct 1, 2010 4:05:36 GMT 3
No Peter Kenneth in PNU list? Instead Makwere?
He is the one PNU guy who seems to try and stay abover the fray
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Post by tnk on Oct 1, 2010 5:56:13 GMT 3
very interesting
my observations are as follows
a) hope wider consultation in PNU does not translate to being bought out through monetary or horse trading
b) also hope that ODM membership remains focused on the many pillars of opening up democratic space as well as ushering in mature and responsible leadership
c) in general and to avoid acrimony, in a way the dominant parties have thrown away the baby with bath water i.e have had to sacrifice otherwise really great leaders and opted for more mellow leaders rather than engage in supremacy struggles
d) in the spirit of disclosure, no methodology/criteria has really been expressed and we are all still in the dark as to how they arrived at the current selection
e) we have some new tin gods in the name of the chair and vice ( a dangerous but evidently acceptable kenyan trend) notwithstanding the apparent success in steering the PSC and no offence intended to the two
lastly they are all being (the final selection that is) thrust into positions of great responsibility and i sincerely would wish that they put their country first, their parties second and their own career paths third and give each their best shot. i truly wish them all well
am also quite impressed with the ODM selection but time will tell on performance
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Post by adongo23456 on Oct 1, 2010 6:15:55 GMT 3
No Peter Kenneth in PNU list? Instead Makwere? He is the one PNU guy who seems to try and stay abover the fray You are right on. I think Mr. Kenneth is a good voice for the nation. I here he is doing some good things for his Gatanga constituency. I am fond of Gatanga. One of my best friends at the UoN and fellow member of SONU was David Murathe who later became an M.P for the same Gatanga. I got to know those places and traveled around there. But yes PNU needs to give the country its best reps to steer the implementation process. There is absolutely no need for acrimony on this matter. |
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Post by phil on Oct 1, 2010 14:28:53 GMT 3
You guys are not reading this correctly. For clarity, I think it is important to refer to the Standing Orders, reproduced herein:
Nomination of members of select committees
159. Unless otherwise provided by any written law or these Standing Orders, the House Business Committee shall, in consultation with parliamentary parties, nominate, for approval by the House, Members who shall serve on any select committee.
Criteria for nomination
160. In nominating Members to serve on any select committee, the House Business Committee shall ensure that the membership of each committee reflects the relative majorities of the seats held by each of the parliamentary parties in the National Assembly and Kenya’s ethnic, geographical, cultural, political, social and economic diversity; and shall give consideration to
the need for gender balance.
Composition of select committees
161. Subject to any written law, these Standing Orders or a resolution of the House, a select committee shall consist of an odd number of members not being ministers and being, not less than five and not more than eleven.
As you will gather from this, PNU (read Kalonzo and Uhuru) already violated Standing Order Numbers: 159 - PNU failed to consult its own consituent parties, there was only consultation between Kalonzo and Uhuru as individuals. 160 - PNU nominees do not meet the minimum criterion for diversity 161 - PNU nominated ministers to a slect committee in contravention of this standing order. In the meantime, there is a BIG fallout in PNU and not just between KKK leadership, but also among members of the back bench too. Everyone is positioning for succession. Kalonzo is misusing his position as LGB and Chairman of HBC to consolidate for 2012, giving more than 60% of PNU allocation to members from former lower and upper Eastern Province. Kalonzo and Uhuru want to dominate this committee with cronies. Kalonzo wants to falsely justify the fairness of the entire nominations by counting on those already nominated by ODM which is an independent political party with its own threshold to meet, but MPs will not be fooled that easy. This is a clear case of Kalonzo and Uhuru playing partisan politics with important national and constitutional matters. This oversight committee will be very powerful and influential in the implementation of the new constitution. Obviously, anyone who has designs for PORK in 2012 must have many friends in this committee. |
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Post by phil on Oct 1, 2010 17:11:15 GMT 3
Predictably, the chicken have come home to roost in that stormy PNU PG meeting this morning. FORD-K's Dr. Simiyu gains a sit at the expense of Wavinya Ndeti whom the V-P is so desperate to woo from ODM back to ODM-K's dwindling fortunes in Ukambani. Kalonzo did not hesitate to sacrifice Wavinya Ndeti before evading the press conference called to announce these changes. Ndeti has been mistreated by ODM-K leadership before and I hope she will not fall for these politricks. One must however sympathise with PNU the party. When will this man George Saitoti wake up from this deep political slumber? Can you guys see how he has been played here? www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/PNU%20revises%20law%20team%20nominees%20list/-/1064/1022110/-/wmd7aaz/-/index.html |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Oct 1, 2010 18:25:21 GMT 3
phil
If there is one thing PNU does not need its sympathy.
As Judas says per the link its a "coalition of the willing" so WHY then did I read this loud whine below?
...................Sources who attended the closed-door meeting said members were bitter with poor regional representation in the earlier list.
Some accused Central Kenya leaders of being selfish and bent on locking out its key political partners- Meru and Ukambani region in the implementation process.....................................
Panua was a vehicle for the lame duck othayan interests, its clear the mafiya "owns" that party. A friend had a verbal confrontation with Soita last Sat when he was told to his face he and the idiot wetangula are nothing but mafiya mops, who use then to scrub the toilets.
Look at how the three amigos jomo judas and muthengi conspire to staff the CIOC with their folks and it has to take a mini riot to get them to back tract and give slots to western.
They never learn, one cant trust these back stabbing fellows.
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Post by phil on Oct 5, 2010 15:51:31 GMT 3
PNU have still not got their share right. Their team fails the gender test and there are fears this list will be rejected once again by Parliament.
Why could ODM-K or KANU not sacrifice a male nominee for either Wavinya Ndeti or Jebii Kilimo to sit in the POC so parliament can get on with the crucial business of implementing the constitution, already running a month late!!??
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Post by kamalet on Oct 5, 2010 16:23:18 GMT 3
You guys are not reading this correctly. For clarity, I think it is important to refer to the Standing Orders, reproduced herein:
Nomination of members of select committees
159. Unless otherwise provided by any written law or these Standing Orders, the House Business Committee shall, in consultation with parliamentary parties, nominate, for approval by the House, Members who shall serve on any select committee.
Criteria for nomination
160. In nominating Members to serve on any select committee, the House Business Committee shall ensure that the membership of each committee reflects the relative majorities of the seats held by each of the parliamentary parties in the National Assembly and Kenya’s ethnic, geographical, cultural, political, social and economic diversity; and shall give consideration to
the need for gender balance.
Composition of select committees
161. Subject to any written law, these Standing Orders or a resolution of the House, a select committee shall consist of an odd number of members not being ministers and being, not less than five and not more than eleven.
As you will gather from this, PNU (read Kalonzo and Uhuru) already violated Standing Order Numbers: 159 - PNU failed to consult its own consituent parties, there was only consultation between Kalonzo and Uhuru as individuals. 160 - PNU nominees do not meet the minimum criterion for diversity 161 - PNU nominated ministers to a slect committee in contravention of this standing order. In the meantime, there is a BIG fallout in PNU and not just between KKK leadership, but also among members of the back bench too. Everyone is positioning for succession. Kalonzo is misusing his position as LGB and Chairman of HBC to consolidate for 2012, giving more than 60% of PNU allocation to members from former lower and upper Eastern Province. Kalonzo and Uhuru want to dominate this committee with cronies. Kalonzo wants to falsely justify the fairness of the entire nominations by counting on those already nominated by ODM which is an independent political party with its own threshold to meet, but MPs will not be fooled that easy. This is a clear case of Kalonzo and Uhuru playing partisan politics with important national and constitutional matters. This oversight committee will be very powerful and influential in the implementation of the new constitution. Obviously, anyone who has designs for PORK in 2012 must have many friends in this committee. Is the CIOC a select committee and if it is, do the standing orders supercede the constitution? |
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Post by phil on Oct 5, 2010 16:37:08 GMT 3
Is the CIOC a select committee and if it is, do the standing orders supercede the constitution? The answer to both questions is NO. The Commission on the Implementation of the Constitution (CIOC) is a Constitutional Commission. (Ref 25 (1)). Standing Orders are inferior to the constitution - which is the supreme law. However, the (proposed) Parliamentary Oversight Committee on the Consitution is a Select Committee and it remains subject to parliamentary standing orders. I am watching the live proceedings on the debate on this, and the mood of the house tells me the revised list is going to be passed, albeit with some toungue lashing aimed at PNU. |
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Post by phil on Oct 5, 2010 17:01:51 GMT 3
Parliament has unanimously (ie without division) passed the revised committee list and hence the following MPs are appointed as Members of the Constitutional Implementation Oversight Committee:-
1. Hon. Hussein Mohammed Abdikadir
2. Hon. (Prof.) Phillip Kaloki
3. Hon. Martha Wangari Karua
4. Hon. Chirau Ali Mwakwere
5. Hon. (Dr.) Kilemi Mwiria
6. Hon. Charles Kilonzo
7. Hon. Beth Mugo
8. Hon. Ekwee Ethuro
9. Hon. Cecily Mbarire
10. Hon. Wavinya Ndeti
11. Hon. Moriasi Ombui
12. Hon. Amina Abdallah
13. Hon. David M. Ngugi
14. Hon. Ababu Namwamba
15. Hon. Danson Mwazo
16. Hon. Mohammed Maalim Mohamud
17. Hon. (Dr.) Joyce Laboso
18. Hon. Joseph Kasaine Nkaiserry
19. Hon. Charles Onyancha
20. Hon. Alfred Khang’ati
21. Hon. John Mbadi
22. Hon. Elizabeth Ongoro
23. Hon. Rev. Julius Murgor
24. Hon. Millie Odhiambo
25. Hon. Lucas K. Chepkitony
26. Hon. Benedict Fondo Gunda
27. Hon. Rachel Shebesh
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Post by politicalmaniac on Oct 5, 2010 18:33:30 GMT 3
phil
Na kazi iendeleeeeeeeee!
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Post by kamalet on Oct 6, 2010 10:18:13 GMT 3
Is the CIOC a select committee and if it is, do the standing orders supercede the constitution? The answer to both questions is NO. The Commission on the Implementation of the Constitution (CIOC) is a Constitutional Commission. (Ref 25 (1)). Standing Orders are inferior to the constitution - which is the supreme law. However, the (proposed) Parliamentary Oversight Committee on the Consitution is a Select Committee and it remains subject to parliamentary standing orders. I am watching the live proceedings on the debate on this, and the mood of the house tells me the revised list is going to be passed, albeit with some toungue lashing aimed at PNU. Phil You are wrong. A select committee is a committee appointed pursuant to a standing order. The CIOC is an oversight committee pursuant to a constitutional order, and hence would not be subject to the vagaries of the standing orders. This should explain why it has cabinet ministers in it as was the PSC which was pursuant to an Act of Parliament. I am sure you did note that there was no tongue lashing on the PNU and the support of the house was rather overwhelming! |
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Post by federa on Oct 6, 2010 10:50:56 GMT 3
The list posted by phil as members of the Constitutional Implementation Oversight Committee doesn't appear entirely accurate. On the PNU side Hon. Wavinya Ndeti was replaced by Hon. Eseli, while on the ODM side Hon. Mohammed Maalim Mohamud was replaced by Hon. Sophia Abdi. It is good that the haggling over this committee has been settled quickly to the satisfaction of everyone. It's about time we settled down to the serious business of the implementation of the constitution.
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Post by phil on Oct 6, 2010 12:54:26 GMT 3
The list posted by phil as members of the Constitutional Implementation Oversight Committee doesn't appear entirely accurate. On the PNU side Hon. Wavinya Ndeti was replaced by Hon. Eseli, while on the ODM side Hon. Mohammed Maalim Mohamud was replaced by Hon. Sophia Abdi. It is good that the haggling over this committee has been settled quickly to the satisfaction of everyone. It's about time we settled down to the serious business of the implementation of the constitution. You are right. Apologies, my mistake. I got that list from the day's order paper in bunge. But now, as you rightly put it, we need parliament to get down to serious business devoid of PNU's 2012 succession and ICC issues. Kamale, I will come back to you later. |
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Post by mzee on Oct 6, 2010 14:08:27 GMT 3
phil Na kazi iendeleeeeeeeee! Na, kazi ianze |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Oct 6, 2010 17:03:23 GMT 3
phil Na kazi iendeleeeeeeeee! Na, kazi ianze he he he ;D ;D ;D |
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