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Post by kamalet on Nov 20, 2010 11:54:07 GMT 3
When the CIC billl was passed and mandated the PSC (and the other ministry reps), we did not see it as a rogue institution, but only cheered the steps taken!
Now if you consider that the PSC only interviews and passes on the names of the nominees to the President and the PM to sanction before sending the names to parliament for approval, I tend to think that we are jumping the gun unless we think the two principals are dunderheads who will only pass over to parliament the rubbish handed down to them by the PSC. The same holds true for Parliament where the horse-trading will take place on who finally to approve the members of the CIC.
The PSC can only interview those that applied for the job....
The appointments are on a very long winded road and hacking at individuals now does not make sense! Every applicant must be interviewed to make the shortlist - is this not what the PSC is doing now?
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 20, 2010 16:14:08 GMT 3
Kamale, We know what the PSC is. In fact you are one of those who boasted here that the PSC which is under the thumb of Kibaki and State House power brokers will make sure they pick people friendly to the status quo. I am paraphrasing you. So we know who the bastards are and what their agenda is. But the people doing the actual interviewing are not the PSC as you and the KBC media seems to be insinuating. The PSC did the shortlisting (which they screwed up) but the interviews are supposed to be done by a team where the PSC has only one rep. Anyhow here is the story. You can ignore the misrepresentation from KBC that the interviews are being done by the PSC. But Namwamba is inviting anybody with any incriminating information against any of those recommended for appointment to forward such info to the Parliamentary Committee for Justice and Legal Affairs. That is exactly what we are going to do and I urge everybody to do the same as soon as the list of final appointees are out. Here is the story. www.kbc.co.ke/news.asp?nid=67641
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Post by reporter911 on Nov 21, 2010 3:41:07 GMT 3
Kibaki's adviser shortlisted for CICBy MARTIN MUTUA President Kibaki’s chief adviser and a serving ambassador has been short-listed for the position of chairperson in the crucial Commission for the Implementation of the Constitution. Names of the eight short-listed candidates advertised yesterday for interviews to be conducted today by the Public Service Commission (PSC) include some faces that have worked closely with the system. Kenyans will, by the end of today, know the chairperson of this critical commission. Topping the list is President Kibaki’s chief adviser on constitutional matters Kivutha Kibwana, who currently sits at the Office of the President’s Harambee House. Others are Kenya’s Ambassador to Belgium Kembi Gitura and former Ambassador to France Raychelle Omamo, Koki Muli, Mwangi Kariuki, Mutakha Kangu, Charles Nyachae and Gibson Kamau Kuria. CIC commissioner The PSC also asked 50 other short-listed candidates for the position of Commissioner in the CIC to appear before it tomorrow. Among those eyeing the nine positions in the commission are university dons Peter Wanyande, former KACC Director Smokin Wanjala, former Constitution of Kenya Review Commissioner Wanjiku Kabira and lawyer Waiganjo Kamotho.
Others are former PS Solomon Boit, Ambassadors Julius Kandie and Franklin Esipila. Prof Kibwana served as Minister for Lands in the Narc government during President Kibaki’s first term and also played a big role in his 2007 re-election campaign.
He also represented PNU on the same technical committee that was seeking consensus over contentious issues before the referendum. Kuria, a long serving lawyer, was appointed assisting counsel on the Goldenberg Commission of inquiry by the President in March 2003. A former law lecturer at the University of Nairobi, he has received several awards locally and abroad. Kangu represented the ODM party during the stand-off between the State and the Church over the new Constitution last April. He is also a law lecturer at Moi University and was a member of the disbanded Constitution of Kenya Review Commission (CKRC) that was then headed by Yash Pal Ghai. Kangu has been, and still is a member of the ODM think tank. Profession Gitura, a lawyer by profession, clinched the Kiharu seat in the last Parliament and was appointed an Assistant Minister in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Ms Omamo served as the Law Society of Kenya Chairperson before she was appointed Kenya’s Ambassador to France from 2003 until last year. The lawyer by profession made history as the first woman to become the chairperson of the Law Society of Kenya (LSK). Before then, she had been a member of the Council of the LSK and was actively involved in its activities. Mr Nyachae is a graduate of the London School of Economics and an advocate of the High Court. He has been practicing law for the last 25 years. Nyachae has been involved in civil society reform programmes and served as the Chairman of the council of the International Commission of Jurists, Kenya chapter, and also served on the council of the LSK. A lawyer by profession, Nyachae is a son of former Cabinet Minister Simeon Nyachae. Ms Muli, who has just concluded her doctorate studies, is at the moment working for the United Nations Secretary-General Ban ki Moon on the forthcoming referendum in Southern Sudan. RAC Commission She has been the founder executive director for the Institute of Education and Democracy, a non-governmental organisation that deals with, among others, civic and voter education. The public and Parliament will be watching the appointment of the chairperson to the commission with a lot of interest. At the same time, the applications for membership to the Revenue Allocation Commission (RAC), whose deadline for establishment is November 27, closed yesterday. The RAC is critical in the new constitutional dispensation as it is supposed to be the key link between the national and the county governments in terms of equitable allocation of revenue. According to the new Constitution, the principle function of the Commission is to make recommendations concerning the basis for the equitable sharing of revenue raised by the national Government between the national and county governments as well as among the county governments www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000022818&cid=159&
ILLEGAL LAND GRABBERS OF NGONG & KARURA FORESTS INCLUDED IN THE CIC LIST! HOW DARE THEY!! KENYANS ARE NOT ASLEEP!! WE WILL STOP THEM.. IMPUNITY MUST BE STOPPED AT ALL COST
Reference NDUNGU COMMISSION REPORT!In Nairobi, all those allocated parts of the Ngong forest and Karura Forest in the 1990s will have to part with them after the Ndung'u Committee recommended that they should all be revoked. former PS Mr Mark Bor , Cooperatives PS Mr Solomon Boit, Deputy Police commissioner Mr David Kimaiyo and the chaplain of Kabarak high school Rev Jones Kaleli. Baringo North MP William Boit, director of Motor Licensing Simon Kirgotty, director of survey Mr H. H. Nyapola, security intelligence deputy director Mr Shukri Baramade and Administration Police commandant Kinuthia Mbugua also got land illegally. And for the listed Ambassadors!!former Ambassadors Julius Kandie and Former Ambassador Franklin Esipila. Kenyans would like to see their records on all their postings!! we can see some heavy corruption in some of the Kenya Missions abroad!!![/color] NEW CONSTITUTION DEMANDS A CLEAN CORRUPT FREE BACKGROUND! HOW DARE THESE INDIVIDUALS ENTER THEIR NAMES FOR THE CIC?
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Post by kamalet on Nov 22, 2010 14:36:27 GMT 3
Kamale, We know what the PSC is. In fact you are one of those who boasted here that the PSC which is under the thumb of Kibaki and State House power brokers will make sure they pick people friendly to the status quo. I am paraphrasing you. So we know who the bastards are and what their agenda is. But the people doing the actual interviewing are not the PSC as you and the KBC media seems to be insinuating. The PSC did the shortlisting (which they screwed up) but the interviews are supposed to be done by a team where the PSC has only one rep. Anyhow here is the story. You can ignore the misrepresentation from KBC that the interviews are being done by the PSC. But Namwamba is inviting anybody with any incriminating information against any of those recommended for appointment to forward such info to the Parliamentary Committee for Justice and Legal Affairs. That is exactly what we are going to do and I urge everybody to do the same as soon as the list of final appointees are out. Here is the story. www.kbc.co.ke/news.asp?nid=67641 Adongo And you imagine that all the steps these guys have to go through would not include a diligence check on their credibility? I said that there is little reason to worry unless all our structures are so broken that charlatans will get their way into the CIC. When you check the functions of the CIC, one wonders what all this political hullabaloo is all about! |
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 22, 2010 19:13:25 GMT 3
Kamale, We know what the PSC is. In fact you are one of those who boasted here that the PSC which is under the thumb of Kibaki and State House power brokers will make sure they pick people friendly to the status quo. I am paraphrasing you. So we know who the bastards are and what their agenda is. But the people doing the actual interviewing are not the PSC as you and the KBC media seems to be insinuating. The PSC did the shortlisting (which they screwed up) but the interviews are supposed to be done by a team where the PSC has only one rep. Anyhow here is the story. You can ignore the misrepresentation from KBC that the interviews are being done by the PSC. But Namwamba is inviting anybody with any incriminating information against any of those recommended for appointment to forward such info to the Parliamentary Committee for Justice and Legal Affairs. That is exactly what we are going to do and I urge everybody to do the same as soon as the list of final appointees are out. Here is the story. www.kbc.co.ke/news.asp?nid=67641 Adongo And you imagine that all the steps these guys have to go through would not include a diligence check on their credibility? I said that there is little reason to worry unless all our structures are so broken that charlatans will get their way into the CIC. When you check the functions of the CIC, one wonders what all this political hullabaloo is all about! The CIC will be a very important institution. They are going to take over all implementation legislations from the likes of Mutula Kilonzo and others trying to manipulate their thinking into the new laws. All the heavy weights want in. But we are going to let them know that they are not writing a new constitution for Kenya. We have that already. They will only help implement it and we need persons of integrity and fully qualified. We don't need no quacks and political hatchet men and women. But I think the process is going well. Work is going on my friend. We are going to have a discussion on this pretty soon. Less than a week from now, we will know who are dealing with. It is fine. Take my word on that. adongo |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Nov 22, 2010 19:33:35 GMT 3
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 22, 2010 19:50:37 GMT 3
This is nonsense. One of these days I am going to go to law school. The level of stupidity among some of Kenyan lawyers is embarrassing. First of it is not the PSC doing the interviews. It is a team from the OP, the PM's office na kadhalika. Second any employer can use any method to choose from applicants. It is only applicants who feel discriminated against who can file cases and prove that they were unfairly treated. Unless this foolish lawyer gets judge Gacheche to help him, this a dead case. adongo |
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Post by reporter911 on Nov 22, 2010 20:11:16 GMT 3
Again I repeat where is the full list of the APPLICANTS? the PSC must print the full list of persons interviewed or short listed.. PSC apparently held some interviews on Saturday?
WHERE IS THE FULL LIST OF PERSONS APPLYING FOR THE COMMISSION POSTS?? KENYANS DEMAND TO KNOW AS PER THE NEW CONSTITUTION LAW REQUIREMENT!
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 22, 2010 20:17:48 GMT 3
Again I repeat where is the full list of the APPLICANTS? the PSC must print the full list of persons interviewed or short listed.. PSC apparently held some interviews on Saturday? WHERE IS THE FULL LIST OF PERSONS APPLYING FOR THE COMMISSION POSTS?? KENYANS DEMAND TO KNOW AS PER THE NEW CONSTITUTION LAW REQUIREMENT! They had to do the interviews very fast. The CIC has to be in place by Nov. 27 or something like that. And yes for transparency they need to provide the list of applicants and those who actually got interviewed so that the public can detect any political biases if any. PSC did the shortlisting but not the interviews. But of course if you don't get shorlisted you have no chance so the PSC were holding the key to the door. Let's hope there are no screw ups. adongo |
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Post by johns on Nov 22, 2010 21:02:25 GMT 3
All nominees are good but Koki is the best for CIC job
Published on 20/11/2010
By Donald Kipkorir
"She opens her mouth with wisdom and in her tongue is the law of kindness … her works praise her in the gates." Proverbs 31: 26, 31.
The Public Service Commission (PSC) published eight names of those short-listed to undergo final interviews and eventual nomination as the chair for the powerful Commission for the Implementation of the Constitution (CIC).
Of the eight, some are my personal friends like Kembi Gitura and Charles Nyachae; others taught me like Prof Kivutha Kibwana, whilst I served in the Law Society Council under the successive tenures of Kamau Kuria and Raychelle Omamo.
They all qualify and will be fit for the office, but of them all, I shall make a case that Koki Muli be the chair.
For the last 47 years, Kenya has been dancing on the same spot under male domination in its leadership. My long-held view is that Kenya has been a one-eyed man amidst totally blind men. We have been an island of peace because we live between failed Somalia on one side, and on the other side, Sudan and Uganda forever in civil war. Forty-seven years ago, we were playmates with Singapore, South Korea, Malaysia and Thailand; all have left us and their respective economies each being in excess of ours over 30 times. We cannot forever bury our heads in the sand. What we have been trying for 47 years isn’t working.
With tremendous deference to all the short-listed candidates, bar Koki Muli and Mwangi Kariuki, the others are princelings or intimately associated with our political history and its main protagonists from the dawn of independence to-date. We are our parents’ children, be they biological or political unless we show propensity to commit parricide. For this reason and only this, I root for either Kariuki or Koki. But for other compelling reasons, I endorse Koki.
The CIC is established pursuant the Commission for the Implementation of the Constitution Act, 2010 and as underpinned in the Constitution. Its mandate is so wide that all other Constitutional commissions shall come to being by it. Its clear functions and mandate are to oversee the implementation of and obedience to all statutes that shall give efficacy and life to our Constitution. The latitude of these powers and mandate are such that if we get a wrong chair, the whole process will be thrown into cantankerous tailspin. We have been on that road with other commissions before. We cannot afford to make a mistake on CIC.
Membership to CIC including its chair is subject to amongst others, Chapter Six of the Constitution on leadership and integrity. Such people shall be those who will project "objectivity and impartiality" and "promote public confidence" in the office. For such onerous and sacred duty, we don’t want to have anyone who may appear to be beholden to one or the other faction of our chequered political history. Apt examples abound. When Ligale-led IIBRC finalised its report, ODM MPs celebrated whilst PNU MPs cried foul because Chairman Andrew Ligale is an ODM-card carrying member. Sam Kivuitu’s ECK suffered credibility problem because it was seen to be tilted in favour of PNU. If the chair of CIC is seen to be an acolyte of one camp, the crisis will be catastrophic as it is constitutional. It cuts to the heart of our entire nationhood.
Initially, I wanted to support Koki because she is a woman, then I realised history doesn’t support me on whether or not women leadership is superior to men. Across history, women leaders have stood out due to their dearth in leadership positions. We have Queen Cleopatra of Egypt who ruled in the last century before Christ and reached zenith of power by sleeping with the great Julius Caesar and his successor Mark Anthony; and we have Queen Elizabeth I—who took England to the great and enduring Elizabethan Age of William Shakespeare and Sir Francis Drake—but remained and died a virgin. Both Cleopatra and Elizabeth became dominant, in spite of their contrasting sexual lifestyles.
In their seminal and highly respected article, "The Female Leadership Advantage: An Evaluation of The Evidence", psychology professors Alice H Eagly and Linda L Carli from the prestigious Northwestern University and Wellesley College said that no empirical evidence exists to the long held view that women leaders are better than men, though those who have risen to leadership have excelled beyond. Women leaders like Queen Victoria, Indira Gandhi and Golda Meir have left permanent and enduring legacies in England, India and Israel respectively because they are far and apart in masculine world.
In civilised democracies like USA, whom we "stole" their constitutional precepts to ours, once nominees are announced for vetting by the Senate before presidential appointment, they are subjected to baptism of fire in the media and other fora. The public is free to ventilate their support or opposition to the nominees and it is legitimate. Kenya has to start developing this culture.
We cannot be published nominees then the process is shrouded in mystery. PSC shortlists, the President nominates and Parliament approves or rejects. Through these three stages, the public‘s right to continuously interrogate the nominees is supreme. The sovereign power of the people is never diminished by processes.
And at non-scientific ground, Kenya needs a woman to shepherd her through its infancy. We have begun a new dawn in constitutional dispensation. For those like me who are beholden to their mothers, our cognitive processes are forever clouded by undiluted maternal love received.
In my Marakwet culture, when men fight, no matter their ages, once a mother to any of the combatants removes her legetio (traditional belt) and lays it on the ground and calls truce, you cannot even negotiate.
As we embark on implementing our Constitution, we shall experience acrimony in such unprecedented levels. Our ever-fluid political fabric will be stretched to the limit.
Amidst this unavoidable tension, jostling, fighting and even walk-outs, we need a chair who will retain composure throughout and guide us with tender hands and it can only be a mother; it can only be Koki Muli. For once, let us entrust a national assignment to a woman, and a woman of true and real substance; with both brain and beauty.
—The writer is an advocate of High Court
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 22, 2010 21:16:32 GMT 3
johns,
I think it will be either Mutakha Kangu or Koki Muli. They are both thoroughly qualified and I do not agree with Mr. Kipkorir that people with a political history should not be involved in the constitutional process. As long as they are Kenyans, they are qualified and are not leaders of political parties they have a right to work and live in the republic and that includes working with the CIC.
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Post by reporter911 on Nov 22, 2010 23:25:20 GMT 3
IS THIS A JOKE OR WHAT? MS OMAMO AND DR. KURIA? IMPUNITY TO THE HIGHEST ORDER THIS MUST BE STOPPED WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT!!UNACCEPTABLE!!
impeccable sources close to the interviewing panel disclosed that Ms Omamo (left) and Dr Kuria (right) were among most likely candidates to be referred to the two principals for selection to chair the COIC. By PETER LEFTIE pmutibo@ke.nationmedia.comPosted Monday, November 22 2010 at 22:00 In Summary * Teams will spearhead implementation of the new constitution and allocation of revenue The names of those likely to sit on two powerful commissions that will help implement the new Constitution are set to be released on Tuesday. The Executive and Parliament, the two institutions charged with picking members of the Commission on the Implementation of the Constitution and the Revenue Allocation Commission, are racing against time as the two bodies must be constituted this week. “They (Public Service Commission) must give us the names tomorrow (Tuesday), we have no choice because we must have them in place immediately,” Justice Minister Mutula Kilonzo said on Monday. The new Constitution says the commission on the implementation of the constitution should be in place by Saturday, November 27 while that of Revenue Allocation must be in place by Thursday, November 25. The Commission for Revenue Allocation will on the other hand oversee the equitable sharing of revenue raised by the national government between the national and county governments on one hand and among the county governments on the other. The PSC, which spent the weekend interviewing dozens of candidates shortlisted to sit on the two commissions, must release the list of nominees to be sent to President Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga at the earliest opportunity. According to Mr Kilonzo, PSC ought to forward to the two principals the names of the three nominees it has shortlisted for the post of COIC chairperson and at least 18 nominees for the positions of commissioners. From the list, the two principals will settle on one nominee for the position of chairperson and eight for positions of commissioners. They will then forward the names to Parliament for approval, even though MPs retain the right to reject one or many of the nominees. The eight candidates who were short-listed to chair COIC include ambassador to Belgium Kembi Gitura, former Cabinet minister Prof Kivutha Kibwana, veteran lawyer Gibson Kamau Kuria and Ms Raychelle Omamo, a former ambassador to France and chair of the Law Society of Kenya. Others are law lecturer Mutakha Kangu, reform campaigner Koki Muli and lawyers Charles Nyachae and Mwangi Kariuki. A team comprising officers from PSC and various government departments have also interviewed 50 candidates shortlisted to become COIC commissioners and those picked to chair the Revenue Allocation Commission. Impeccable sources close to the interviewing panel disclosed that Ms Omamo, Prof Kibwana and Dr Kuria were three most likely candidates to be referred to the two principals for selection to chair the COIC |
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 22, 2010 23:50:40 GMT 3
reporter,Forget the baseless romours from the Daily Nation. Eti, impeccable sources. I think the next couple of days are going to be huge for the nation as we get the CIC on its feet but the Daily Nation are just campaigning for their status quo candidates. I think the Standard story is more realistic and sensible. here it is. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000023067&cid=4&ttl=ODM,%20PNU%20trade%20powerful%20jobs
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Post by reporter911 on Nov 23, 2010 0:19:29 GMT 3
reporter,Forget the baseless romours from the Daily Nation. Eti, impeccable sources. I think the next couple of days are going to be huge for the nation as we get the CIC on its feet but the Daily Nation are just campaigning for their status quo candidates. I think the Standard story is more realistic and sensible. here it is. www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000023067&cid=4&ttl=ODM,%20PNU%20trade%20powerful%20jobs Adongo? I don't see a change in the applicants? seems to me they are the same, my question remains where is the full list of applicants and why were this names short listed to be forwarded to the two principals Kibaki & Raila? without Kenyans knowing the full listed applicants? how else are we to determine as a country who is best suited for these positions??be knowing I hate back room political deals! this is another stage of frightful form slowly rear its head, in our new constitution .. darkroom political deals are not good for us now with the new constitution in place! reported in the Standard newspaper.....Sources said names of applicants forwarded to the President for consideration as CIC chair included those of his own advisor on Constitutional Affairs Prof Kivutha Kibwana, Raychelle Omamo and law lecturer Dr Mutakha Kangu. |
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Post by johns on Nov 23, 2010 1:13:18 GMT 3
Folks,
We must remain cognizant to the reality of the fact that this commission ought to be in place by November 27th which is a couple of days away. Drastic steps must be taken to forestall merchants of impunity having a field day if the body is not in place then. I will not mind the principles picks as long as its between Koki Mulli and Dr Mutakha Kangu as chair.
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Post by shifta on Nov 23, 2010 3:16:05 GMT 3
Adongo said:
Indeed it is a process that should allow for proper vetting of the candidates. The problem is that in the event that there are cut deals - which I do not have any problems with, then you hope and pray that those who are chosen are indeed nationalists.
The deal that the Standard is reporting about puts the PM on the spot. Kibaki has nothing to lose he is gone, and as per his past appointment, he does not give a rat's-arse what people think, he will pick someone from his home area: mta-do?. This is the time for the PM to step forward and impress on the country to do the right thing by settling on the proper person. He has been preaching " no corruption / ukabila" for long, it is time to walk the talk. The PM has a history of staffing his public office with people who represent the Kenyan face (notwithstanding Wenwa) and not just his home area, a-la Kibaki (check out State house). So, for the sake of nationalism, no relative nor mtu wa-kwao.
My preference is Koki, I have been trying to research and read as much about her as possible. I am afraid though she has no god - mama or baba to go bat for her. We need someone from the outside and not the Kibwanas and Omamos' who have been circling around powers of impunity for decades now.
To me this is a more important committee because it literally will midwife the birth of a new Kenya. For the other, members will come and go, but this historical. I just wished it was the process that Adongo quoted - but with the horse trading taking place that is a moot point, I think the ball is in the PM's court if indeed ODM will nominate CIOC chair.
(Thinking out loud, nightmare scenario) What if PNU says no - we want CIOC chair and by the way we have Kibwana or Kuria, will ODM find the backbone they seem not to have at such times and oppose it? (Remember the cabinet / PS's/ diplomatic postings?)
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Post by politicalmaniac on Nov 23, 2010 7:30:50 GMT 3
Folks, We must remain cognizant to the reality of the fact that this commission ought to be in place by November 27th which is a couple of days away. Drastic steps must be taken to forestall merchants of impunity having a field day if the body is not in place then. I will not mind the principles picks as long as its between Koki Mulli and Dr Mutakha Kangu as chair. Kangu is very well qualified, a gifted teacher and jurist. I would not mind him getting the post, at least from my own personal experience, my opinion is that he can deliver the KATIBA. If its a matter of ties to god fathers, I have not heard any tainted ties between him and political heavy weights. I know the Panuarers I have talked to wont want him simply because of his origins and ODM ties. Koki seems to be the Jukwaa's favorite. If she is what esteemed folks here say she is, then I dont mind at all. I think also that being a female, is a very big plus for her. I wish her the best. Its Kuria that I dont want anywhere near the process. Ms Omamo, I am wary about, i just dont think she has the gravitas to preside over the process. her tenure in France also was not that sterling. |
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Post by tnk on Nov 23, 2010 8:46:59 GMT 3
ok would now like to weigh in on this discussion from my understanding and as we are all aware this constitution and its implementation was very cleverly structured or crafted in such a way that multiple agents would be involved and not any one single entity/organisation would/could sabotage its moving forward. we are at a point of choosing or rather finding out the three or four agents around which the implementation will revolve so in terms of the agents we have (in reverse order of importance) a) min of Justice and Cohesion b) CIOC c) CIC (this thread) d) the AG e) the KLRC f) and of course the Constitution of Kenya 2010 complementing this effort is the role of parliament, the two principals and the public in general going back to the initial point of discussion, the CIC's function is described as follows == 4. The functions of the Commission shall be to— (a) monitor, facilitate, and oversee the development of legislation and administrative procedures required to implement the Constitution; (b) co-ordinate with the Attorney-General and the Kenya Law Reform Commission in preparing for tabling in Parliament, the legislation required to implement the Constitution; (c) work with each constitutional Commission to ensure that the letter and the spirit of the Constitution is respected; (d) report regularly to the Constitutional Implementation Oversight Committee on— (i) the progress in the implementation of the Constitution; and (ii) any impediments to the implementation of the constitution; (e) exercise such other functions as are provided for by the constitution or any other written law == (operative word is coordinate and not write/draft the legislation which is actually preserve of AG and KLRC) www.kenyalaw.org/Downloads/Bills/2010/SUPP.%20NO.%2067.%20Commission%20for%20the%20%20Implementation%20of%20the%20Constitution%20Bill%202010.pdffrom the foregoing we realise that whereas the CIC is very much the director driving the process, however the real technical arm of developing/drafting legislation is KLRC (primary agent) and the AGs office. Hence CIC coordinate with both agents. A quick look at the KLRC their structure can be found here www.klrc.go.ke/images/stories/org_structure.gifcurrent staffing www.klrc.go.ke/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=23one name in there (desterio oyatsi - biwotts lawyer and many other moneyed ....er.... "successful business" people ) makes me shudder here we find an even bigger elephant than the CIC appointtees i.e there are 3 full time commissioners and 5 part time. the chairman has a 6 year renewable term while the 3 full time have 5 years renewable and the part time 4 years renewable. a number of these posts are coming to an end if my computation is right and therein lies possibly a huge gaping hole or opening for mischief considering that the legislation will be coming from this body. so far (at least if their reporting is true) this body has come up with the legislation behind the NARA, Constitution Ammendment Bill presented by Karua that formed the CoE and etc see here www.klrc.go.ke/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10&Itemid=30bill guiding formation of KLRC www.kenyalaw.org/Downloads/Bills/Unpublished/200601.pdf== so once again back to the CIC this body needs to work hand in hand (or fist to fist) with KLRC and the AGs office to ensure that no busybody derails or sidetracks the process, be expert enough to discern, detect and diffuse any mischief while proactively pushing all required legislation in a timely manner to ensure the new consitution is implemented this also requires that the CIC have or generate sufficient rapport with at least a majority of the 10th parliament and possible 11th parliament without resorting to horse-trading, kick-butts or kickbacks and other unnecessary shenanigens, i nostalgically recall the graceful ease with with the CoE navigated such turbulkent waters. we must also bear in mind that the AG must leave office within 1 year from effective date, creating another possible cliff hanger crisis as some issues are put on hold. == so perhaps we need to review the pieces we have so far and project whats ahead, anticipating possible do or die scenarios such as with karua / ruto in early 2008 a) min of Justice and Cohesion Mutula Kilonzo b) CIOC 1. Hon. Hussein Mohammed Abdikadir 2. Hon. (Prof.) Phillip Kaloki 3. Hon. Martha Wangari Karua 4. Hon. Chirau Ali Mwakwere 5. Hon. (Dr.) Kilemi Mwiria 6. Hon. Charles Kilonzo 7. Hon. Beth Mugo 8. Hon. Ekwee Ethuro 9. Hon. Cecily Mbarire 10. Hon. Wavinya Ndeti 11. Hon. Moriasi Ombui 12. Hon. Amina Abdallah 13. Hon. David M. Ngugi 14. Hon. Ababu Namwamba 15. Hon. Danson Mwazo 16. Hon. Mohammed Maalim Mohamud 17. Hon. (Dr.) Joyce Laboso 18. Hon. Joseph Kasaine Nkaiserry 19. Hon. Charles Onyancha 20. Hon. Alfred Khang’ati 21. Hon. John Mbadi 22. Hon. Elizabeth Ongoro 23. Hon. Rev. Julius Murgor 24. Hon. Millie Odhiambo 25. Hon. Lucas K. Chepkitony 26. Hon. Benedict Fondo Gunda 27. Hon. Rachel Shebesh see phil's post here jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=general&thread=4500&post=52755c) CIC (this thread) we await this with bated breath (or perhaps baited broth) d) the AG Amos Wako e) the KLRC 1. Mr. Kathurima M’Inoti - Chairman 2. Ms. Nancy Baraza - Vice Chairperson 3. Mr. Mbage N. Njuguna - Commissioner 4. Mr. Desterio Oyatsi - Commissioner 5. Mr. Benjamin M. Musau - Commissioner 6. Ms. Jane Mwangi - Commissioner 7. Mr. Hassan Lakicha - Commissioner 8. Mr. Joash Dache - Secretary f) the Constitution of Kenya 2010 ooyee == hope this information above adds a little more perspective/insight to those currently taking a pick on who da best for the CIC and who da best to lead, looking inside the box so to speak |
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Post by kamalet on Nov 23, 2010 11:16:26 GMT 3
With great respect to Koki Muli, I think she is qualified but unsuitable for the post of chairperson of the CIC.
Kenyans need to learn from previous mistakes of getting "big mouths" into positions merely because they were critical of the government of the day! In other instance the visibility of a person in civil society seems to be a driver to get someone leading a key people institution. Sometimes it is a good thing to see the leadership abilities of some of the characters that we are rooting for and in the case of Koki (again with great respect) she has not handled anything big to warrant her appointment to lead the CIC.
The second issue I have is this political horse-trading reported in the media which if true is a sad reflection of the idiocy of Kenyan politics. Trying to get the PM's man to lead the CIC so that a Kibaki man can lead the Revenue Allocation commission is just silly. It is not like the CIC will pass legislation to favour Castro or the CRA will allocate money to Jimmy! We need credible people leading these institution and I would have said Raychell Omamo for th CIC and David Ndii for the CRA for no other reason but their credibility, prevoius leadership abilities and their respective qualifications!
Kamalet
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Post by boyengo on Nov 23, 2010 12:04:23 GMT 3
Kamalet,
am for David Ndii(CRA),i have watched and listened couple of times and I must say he is very much capable,He is an economist if am not wrong?For CIC any shortlisted but not these three:Kuria,Kibwana Omamo!!!
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Post by roughrider on Nov 23, 2010 15:06:17 GMT 3
Kamalet, am for David Ndii(CRA),i have watched and listened couple of times and I must say he is very much capable,He is an economist if am not wrong?For CIC any shortlisted but not these three:Kuria,Kibwana Omamo!!! My instinct, if i was interviewing, would be to be creative and hire Edward Odundo and David Ndii – the former as chair and the latter to deputize him. These gentlemen complement each other perfectly. David Ndii is an interesting prospect – but he does not have the financial management background that might be critical in the first year's of the CRA. But Dr Ndii is a good development economist (PhD from Oxford) and a string of impressive consultancies including with the World Bank. His basic background is a lecturer job at UoN. Ndii has shown an independent streak; resigning as Economist as Equity Bank, penning incisive analyses with John Githongo etc… But I think in a straight competition he cannot light a candle for Edward Odundo. Edward Odundo, the CEO of the Retirement Benefits Authority, is an accomplished accountant holding a FCPA as well as Bachelor of Science and Masters in Business Administration in strategic management and is pursuing his PhD in Strategic Management. His experience in setting up RBA shows that he has what it takes to develop and lead this type of institutions. This is where Odundo he flogs Ndii. Today we have a strong regulatory framework for the pension sector. Odundo's experience record is sterling: more recently former Commissioner of the VAT and Financial Controller, KRA; and a string of relevant directorships including the NSE and the IRA. It can be argued that Mr Odundo does as much of the development economics angle as Mr Ndii. Boyengo - an aside - are you a lingala fan? |
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Post by reporter911 on Nov 24, 2010 0:22:43 GMT 3
ARE THESE THE BEST BRAINS THAT WE HAVE IN KENYA TO MANAGE BOTH THE COIC & CRA COMMISSIONS? " RECYCLED GOODS President Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga will on Wednesday meet to pick members of two powerful commissions that will spearhead the implementation of the new Constitution. Highly placed sources in government confirmed that the Public Service Commission had finished interviewing all the candidates who were shortlisted for the positions of chairperson and commissioners to the Commission for the Implementation of the Constitution (COIC) and the Commission on Revenue Allocation and had forwarded their nominees to the two principals.The lists forwarded contained the names of three persons recommended to chair each of the two commissions, from which the President and the PM would pick one person to chair each commission subject to Parliament’s approval. The lists also contained the names of 18 candidates shortlisted for the positions of commissioners to the COIC, from which the two principals are expected to settle on eight persons to become commissioners. Sources on Tuesday said PNU and ODM could have struck an agreement to share the top positions in the two commissions. They said leading contenders for the COIC were President Kibaki’s advisor on coalition matters Kivutha Kibwana and Moi University law lecturer Mutakha Kangu, who is the leader of Mr Odinga’s think tank. Other names forwarded to the President’s were that of former Kenya’s ambassador to France and Canada Ms Raychelle Omamo, the only female contestant. Top contenders for the equally powerful Commission for Revenue Allocation were said to be former Central Bank of Kenya governor Micah Cheserem and leading economist David Ndii. On Tuesday, Gichugu MP Martha Karua and lawyer Paul Muite questioned the names of those who were short-listed and the interviewing panel. They said that some candidates were close associates of President Kibaki and Mr Odinga. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Law%20team%20to%20be%20known%20Wednesday%20/-/1064/1059268/-/hlq3imz/-/index.html
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Post by adongo23456 on Nov 24, 2010 6:36:20 GMT 3
Tomorrow is the day. In my view there are only twp people in that list who are qualified and fit for the job. I hope one of them gets it tomorrow. I also hope the politicians do not start any witch hunts just for the sake of it.
Give us a qualified professional with a clean track record and a CV fit for the job. That is all there is to it, but in Kenya nothing ever happens without drama and hand wringing. I wouldn't change that country for any other but there are things in Kenya that makes all of us just plain sick and most of it comes from politicians, but from we started this war, where we are doesn't look that bad.
The country got the katiba they wanted and it is going to work very well. There is not much that can derail it, but some folks are going to try.
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Post by kamalet on Nov 24, 2010 10:10:33 GMT 3
Kamalet, am for David Ndii(CRA),i have watched and listened couple of times and I must say he is very much capable,He is an economist if am not wrong?For CIC any shortlisted but not these three:Kuria,Kibwana Omamo!!! My instinct, if i was interviewing, would be to be creative and hire Edward Odundo and David Ndii – the former as chair and the latter to deputize him. These gentlemen complement each other perfectly. David Ndii is an interesting prospect – but he does not have the financial management background that might be critical in the first year's of the CRA. But Dr Ndii is a good development economist (PhD from Oxford) and a string of impressive consultancies including with the World Bank. His basic background is a lecturer job at UoN. Ndii has shown an independent streak; resigning as Economist as Equity Bank, penning incisive analyses with John Githongo etc… But I think in a straight competition he cannot light a candle for Edward Odundo. Edward Odundo, the CEO of the Retirement Benefits Authority, is an accomplished accountant holding a FCPA as well as Bachelor of Science and Masters in Business Administration in strategic management and is pursuing his PhD in Strategic Management. His experience in setting up RBA shows that he has what it takes to develop and lead this type of institutions. This is where Odundo he flogs Ndii. Today we have a strong regulatory framework for the pension sector. Odundo's experience record is sterling: more recently former Commissioner of the VAT and Financial Controller, KRA; and a string of relevant directorships including the NSE and the IRA. It can be argued that Mr Odundo does as much of the development economics angle as Mr Ndii. Boyengo - an aside - are you a lingala fan? I actually would have no beef with Odundo as I know him as my supervisor in another life when I was a budding accountant and he was assistant accountant. He knows the ropes of accountancy and has led the RBA very well. Dr. Ndii another good buddy of mine and whome I knew first asa university student I bought booze at Serena has done equally well for himself. The fact that he is an economist and has experience in development economic makes him a more suitable person for the job. Eddie is you typical administrator whilst David is your human issue kind of a person hence my picking him! |
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Post by mikeotechi on Nov 24, 2010 12:05:04 GMT 3
in june 2006,prof.kivutha kibwana,then minister for environment put himself in a compromising position by siding with a church,illegally erected at nairobis uhuru park.this is hardly a person to entrust with this demanding and critical job in kenyas history-pnu.odm horsetrading aside.This is a skeleton in the closet that can also be used by anti-reform forces to scuttle this process-should the principals settle on kibwana in their compromise deals.
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