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Post by einstein on Jun 6, 2012 22:07:23 GMT 3
You guys worry too much about Ruto. If you were to speak to him, he will honestly tell you that what you write here is non of his worries at the moment. Mwalimumkuu aka The Headmaster,And you think Raila and ODM are bothered by the nonsense you spew on this board day-in-day-out, about both?
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jun 7, 2012 8:35:38 GMT 3
You guys worry too much about Ruto. If you were to speak to him, he will honestly tell you that what you write here is non of his worries at the moment. Mwalimumkuu aka The Headmaster,And you think Raila and ODM are bothered by the nonsense you spew on this board day-in-day-out, about both? Einstein, Now where does Raila and the ODM come in here surely?
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jun 7, 2012 8:46:04 GMT 3
Jalweny, Yes am serious, and it is exactly issues like the ones you raise above that am referring to. Ruto has his political objectives very well defined and very much on trajectory and he has said as much. Rather introduce side shows, mara hague mara Muteshi, follow him with his party and pay attention to what they are saying and doing. They have now been to more than 20 counties with a very serious message on agriculture, education, health, economy etc and still counting. These the issues we invite you to interrogate. So far they are resonating very well with folks. Just three days ago, we saw how this message enthused and energized the people of Turkana, which in many ways mirrored what we've seen in the other counties. That is what worries Ruto and URP, how to make lives better, how to make each county count, how to make everyone contribute to the growth of the country, hapana fitina ndogo ndogo kama hii yako. Mwalimu, We were talking about Jirongo and his dissatisfaction with URP and its party leader before you told us that Ruto has other things to occupy his mind... The party chairman is quoted as saying Jirongos departure would dent the partys image...these are related to the topic of this thread or do we need to remind you of the main topic? You cannot dictate to us what to contribute on the thread!! Jalweny, No, I do not need any reminders from you as you are as misleading as can be. Plus I did not in any way dictate to you what to contribute to this or any other thread. I only advised that we pay more attention to more important issues as addressed by Ruto and his party. But the choice remains yours.
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 7, 2012 20:41:55 GMT 3
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Post by tnk on Jun 8, 2012 1:18:56 GMT 3
if you want to be tickled to the bone, read this == “The reason we left ODM was because the party turned into a religious outfit where Raila was the only deity in whose shrine we were to worship. It is becoming unfortunate that the same is showing in URP. Ruto is using the Chepalungu MP (Isaac Rutto) to fight those who seem independent-minded,’’ said one of the MPs, who requested anonymity. “Ruto is another dictator, but I will be reprimanded if you quote me,” said the angry MP. == www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000059464&pageNo=2so reading this last statement, not only is ruto a total dictator, but also that the MPs are in total fear of him. remember also that this is the very same scenario playing out in the other TNA led region. and guess what, the two "feared" leaders are also the subject of attention at the ICC. is it coincidence or is it fact that these two are just simply moneyed thugs? why should adult men and women elected by their constituents to represent them, fear to speak up their mind where these two are concerned? maybe this anonymous MP should also go to a radio talk show seems thats where you get appointment to visit the great ruto
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Post by einstein on Aug 16, 2012 6:30:46 GMT 3
Dada Akinyi,Thank you for this! Mwalimumkuu, I'm laughing my head off!! Jeez, what a failure in life you are!! What is happening on your thread? Every person on WAJIR COUNTY TOUR 23 JUNE whose picture you embedded seems to have moved or deleted their image! Gosh!! ;D ;D ;D ;D! NB: OO, please excuse me for being mean here. I know I'm being mean to Mwalimumkuu. But, these folks like Mwalimumkuu are even meaner!!
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Aug 16, 2012 7:09:20 GMT 3
[quote author=einstein board=general thread=6409 post=104986 Dada Akinyi,Thank you for this! Mwalimumkuu, I'm laughing my head off!! Jeez, what a failure in life you are!!What is happening on your thread? Every person on WAJIR COUNTY TOUR 23 JUNE whose picture you embedded seems to have moved or deleted their image! Gosh!! ;D ;D ;D ;D! NB: OO, please excuse me for being mean here. I know I'm being mean to Mwalimumkuu. But, these folks like Mwalimumkuu are even meaner!![/quote] A little over the top especially given that you do not know me. Anyway, it is a lesson learnt the hard way.
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Post by b6k on Sept 9, 2012 0:46:37 GMT 3
Is ODM on it's death-bed in former RVP? MP's from the region have quit the Mau Resettlement Committee en masse & are poised to make a joint statement shortly.... Excerpt: “We have been talking to them and we welcome them to URP because it appears they have now realized the truth of what we have all along talked about and why we quit from ODM”, said Mosop MP David Koech . He said the twin issues of Mau forest and post election violence would hound the PM and ODM in the region. “We support conservation of the environment but we cautioned the PM that our people were being mistreated and four years down the line the situation is even worse. Magerer and his colleagues have learnt the bitter truth”, said Koech Excerpt 2: Already some of the aspirants who lost during the just concluded URP grassroot polls have defected to UDF which is viewed a neutral and the next in popularity in the region after URP. Sources said the MPs had twice met with the PM to discus the Mau Forest issue but resolutions made in the last one month were not honoured or implemented. They wanted the more than 3,000 families evicted from the forests resettled by August 1st 2012 but the demand was not met. Excerpt 3: Sources said Bett had also sharply differed with his Industrialization colleague Henry Kosgey who was re-instated to the Cabinet last month and appears to be close to the PM than his colleagues from the region . Bett was so angry during the PM’s visit to the North Rift region two weeks that during an ODM rally in Kapsabet town he publicly cautioned Raila not to dare directly appoint Kosgey to be his running mate in the forthcoming polls. www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/93440-kipsigis-mps-to-leave-railas-odmSo when Phil of ODM starts lobbing softballs about rappers pledging allegiance to Agwambo, know that there are bigger issues cooking in the background. ODM, it seems, is no longer the peoples choice in RVP ;D
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Sept 9, 2012 7:20:41 GMT 3
Is ODM on it's death-bed in former RVP? MP's from the region have quit the Mau Resettlement Committee en masse & are poised to make a joint statement shortly.... Excerpt: “We have been talking to them and we welcome them to URP because it appears they have now realized the truth of what we have all along talked about and why we quit from ODM”, said Mosop MP David Koech . He said the twin issues of Mau forest and post election violence would hound the PM and ODM in the region. “We support conservation of the environment but we cautioned the PM that our people were being mistreated and four years down the line the situation is even worse. Magerer and his colleagues have learnt the bitter truth”, said Koech Excerpt 2: Already some of the aspirants who lost during the just concluded URP grassroot polls have defected to UDF which is viewed a neutral and the next in popularity in the region after URP. Sources said the MPs had twice met with the PM to discus the Mau Forest issue but resolutions made in the last one month were not honoured or implemented. They wanted the more than 3,000 families evicted from the forests resettled by August 1st 2012 but the demand was not met. Excerpt 3: Sources said Bett had also sharply differed with his Industrialization colleague Henry Kosgey who was re-instated to the Cabinet last month and appears to be close to the PM than his colleagues from the region . Bett was so angry during the PM’s visit to the North Rift region two weeks that during an ODM rally in Kapsabet town he publicly cautioned Raila not to dare directly appoint Kosgey to be his running mate in the forthcoming polls. www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/93440-kipsigis-mps-to-leave-railas-odmSo when Phil of ODM starts lobbing softballs about rappers pledging allegiance to Agwambo, know that there are bigger issues cooking in the background. ODM, it seems, is no longer the peoples choice in RVP ;D B6K,You are very so right. The truth is, this party died many years ago. It has been on life support machine all this time. But a life support machine, just like any other machine, when you overwork it, the parts start to fall apart. That is exactly what is happening with this party. The biggest mistake ODM made was to have Raila as its leader. The man has no vision, no record, no leadership skill, nothing. Bure tu. How these guys expected such a man to lead such a huge party in a very competitive environment such as the one we are in now, baffles me. You saw the other day Ruto calling on friends to support URP and netted a cool 41M in an hour. Compare that with the paltry 11M that the whole PM collected overnight and it tells where and with whom the people are. Kenyans are tired of these vitendawili of kuku na mahindi, sijui paka na panya etc yet teachers have no salaries, doctors have no medicine and equipment in the hospitals, no man or woman in Tana River is sure of their lives any more etc. Kenyans want real performers. As you can see, the remnants in the former RV are beginning to realize what Ruto has been telling them all along. It is not yet too late for them. Even the Titanic, many lives were saved upto the last hour when the ship finally hit the deck.
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Post by jakaswanga on Sept 11, 2012 13:53:03 GMT 3
B6K, The biggest mistake ODM made was to have Raila as its leader. The man has no vision, no record, no leadership skill, nothing. Bure tu. How these guys expected such a man to lead such a huge party in a very competitive environment such as the one we are in now, baffles me. (...) Kenyans want real performers. Ai yawa, mwalimu mwenzangu! terri mos omera!You know the man, Raila, rose to the zenith of a political conglomerate --yes, that is what people like me called the ODM in 2007, and won the elections. Your man, Ruto, and Kamale's ;D man, Mudavadi, were very much part of that conglomerate and fighting the ODM corner like the famed devil possessed. I think Raila has leadership skills in the organisation and mobilisation of a party and her base. He is a brilliant activist, so a natural talent in campaigns, and he is undoubtedly gifted with the common touch --[those vitendawilis and kaka mbweha joculars you so deride!] ;D Even as you criticise him then, appraise, evaluate, or anything else for that matter, you do best to give the devil his dues, otherwise you run the risk of sounding like one who remained in the old Kenya where nuance is non existent. So, let us keep the political analysis, discourse and criticism sane on the blog. I notice of late, you have expelled the ODM die-hard brigade from what used to be their resident blog, banishing them to some other wilderness, resulting that you may be tempted to wallow in self-indulgent, congratulatory prose, waxing triumphalistic in unchallenged gloat! Nay, bethink thee; I would hasten to remind you, in line of our cherished if underpaid profession, that the onus is on us teachers, in good public service, to offer an objective treatise of the nations ins and outs. And that when we try to asses the biographies of public figures, who may not be to our liking or otherwise, still we need must defer to the dictates of scholarly objectivity, and, in the same breath, desist from the payukaring and ovyoovyo propaganda of the other hired lesser mortals in lesser professions, --even if those professions pay them the world! I think Raila is not an effective implementor of policy. I think he lacks a structured aptitude for running a bureaucracy, a highly detailed process of follow-ups and boring tables, which is what government is. No vitendawilis about rates of employment when they hit 40% I can assure you. And I have a specific example from his time as Energy man. Now he, to date, Raila, has a long track record in government and high office, and this can be put under scrutiny. Has he achieved or not? My opinion is he shares responsibility for the horrors of the GCG with Kibaki. The killing off of the integrity clause, continued by the hatchet man Wamalwa, being an example. This historical betrayal of the popular will, means to me, he has no record as PM to run on. Mheshimiwa Omwenga, whom I plan to get drunk with one of these days --since one needs to know people who know people ;D in Kenya, is of course of an entirely different opinion, as is his rights. To be wrong! ------------------- The conglomerate party, ODM, I think, can be unraveling because of the dynamics of such a diffuse form of organisation in the phase of sustained external pressure --here thinking of the rumours from the lower Rift, and the fallout caused by Ida's power-grab. I will avoid the angle of Luo politics --eg Ndhiwa, because those are domestics! But you catch the drift of my post. Be balanced in your evaluation of those you like, as well as those you abhor. Do not be what you once accused Omwenga of! or what b6k accused Kamale of with respect to Uhuru Kenyatta. On corruption, all these guys tie in the big league! Is ODM on it's death-bed in former RVP? MP's from the region have quit the Mau Resettlement Committee en masse & are poised to make a joint statement shortly.... Excerpt: “We have been talking to them and we welcome them to URP because it appears they have now realized the truth of what we have all along talked about and why we quit from ODM”, said Mosop MP David Koech . He said the twin issues of Mau forest and post election violence would hound the PM and ODM in the region. “We support conservation of the environment but we cautioned the PM that our people were being mistreated and four years down the line the situation is even worse. Magerer and his colleagues have learnt the bitter truth”, said Koech Excerpt 2: Already some of the aspirants who lost during the just concluded URP grassroot polls have defected to UDF which is viewed a neutral and the next in popularity in the region after URP. Sources said the MPs had twice met with the PM to discus the Mau Forest issue but resolutions made in the last one month were not honoured or implemented. They wanted the more than 3,000 families evicted from the forests resettled by August 1st 2012 but the demand was not met. Excerpt 3: Sources said Bett had also sharply differed with his Industrialization colleague Henry Kosgey who was re-instated to the Cabinet last month and appears to be close to the PM than his colleagues from the region . Bett was so angry during the PM’s visit to the North Rift region two weeks that during an ODM rally in Kapsabet town he publicly cautioned Raila not to dare directly appoint Kosgey to be his running mate in the forthcoming polls. www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/93440-kipsigis-mps-to-leave-railas-odmSo when Phil of ODM starts lobbing softballs about rappers pledging allegiance to Agwambo, know that there are bigger issues cooking in the background. ODM, it seems, is no longer the peoples choice in RVP ;D
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Post by phil on Sept 11, 2012 16:47:21 GMT 3
Is ODM on it's death-bed in former RVP? MP's from the region have quit the Mau Resettlement Committee en masse & are poised to make a joint statement shortly.... Excerpt: “We have been talking to them and we welcome them to URP because it appears they have now realized the truth of what we have all along talked about and why we quit from ODM”, said Mosop MP David Koech . He said the twin issues of Mau forest and post election violence would hound the PM and ODM in the region. “We support conservation of the environment but we cautioned the PM that our people were being mistreated and four years down the line the situation is even worse. Magerer and his colleagues have learnt the bitter truth”, said Koech Excerpt 2: Already some of the aspirants who lost during the just concluded URP grassroot polls have defected to UDF which is viewed a neutral and the next in popularity in the region after URP. Sources said the MPs had twice met with the PM to discus the Mau Forest issue but resolutions made in the last one month were not honoured or implemented. They wanted the more than 3,000 families evicted from the forests resettled by August 1st 2012 but the demand was not met. Excerpt 3: Sources said Bett had also sharply differed with his Industrialization colleague Henry Kosgey who was re-instated to the Cabinet last month and appears to be close to the PM than his colleagues from the region . Bett was so angry during the PM’s visit to the North Rift region two weeks that during an ODM rally in Kapsabet town he publicly cautioned Raila not to dare directly appoint Kosgey to be his running mate in the forthcoming polls. www.the-star.co.ke/national/national/93440-kipsigis-mps-to-leave-railas-odmSo when Phil of ODM starts lobbing softballs about rappers pledging allegiance to Agwambo, know that there are bigger issues cooking in the background. ODM, it seems, is no longer the peoples choice in RVP ;D B6K,You are very so right. The truth is, this party died many years ago. It has been on life support machine all this time. But a life support machine, just like any other machine, when you overwork it, the parts start to fall apart. That is exactly what is happening with this party. The biggest mistake ODM made was to have Raila as its leader. The man has no vision, no record, no leadership skill, nothing. Bure tu. How these guys expected such a man to lead such a huge party in a very competitive environment such as the one we are in now, baffles me. You saw the other day Ruto calling on friends to support URP and netted a cool 41M in an hour. Compare that with the paltry 11M that the whole PM collected overnight and it tells where and with whom the people are. Kenyans are tired of these vitendawili of kuku na mahindi, sijui paka na panya etc yet teachers have no salaries, doctors have no medicine and equipment in the hospitals, no man or woman in Tana River is sure of their lives any more etc. Kenyans want real performers. As you can see, the remnants in the former RV are beginning to realize what Ruto has been telling them all along. It is not yet too late for them. Even the Titanic, many lives were saved upto the last hour when the ship finally hit the deck. b6k and @mwalimumtukutuHold your horses gentlemen of speculation! If only wishes were horses. South rift MPs re-affirm commitment to ODMMezeni wembe.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Sept 11, 2012 19:12:24 GMT 3
Ai yawa, mwalimu mwenzangu! terri mos omera!You know the man, Raila, rose to the zenith of a political conglomerate --yes, that is what people like me called the ODM in 2007, and won the elections. Your man, Ruto, and Kamale's ;D man, Mudavadi, were very much part of that conglomerate and fighting the ODM corner like the famed devil possessed. I think Raila has leadership skills in the organisation and mobilisation of a party and her base. He is a brilliant activist, so a natural talent in campaigns, and he is undoubtedly gifted with the common touch --[those vitendawilis and kaka mbweha joculars you so deride!] ;D Even as you criticise him then, appraise, evaluate, or anything else for that matter, you do best to give the devil his dues, otherwise you run the risk of sounding like one who remained in the old Kenya where nuance is non existent. I actually give Raila a lot of credit than you might have realized. What I am saying here is, he tends to overestimate his ability, thus my take that, the biggest mistake the Rutos and the Mudavadis you mention here made, was to allow the man to lead this party. Leading a party is just not one of his gifts. I give him credit for his vitendawilis and kuku na mahindi folklore, because, I am yet to meet any other Kenyan politician who approaches such tough problems as the ones Kenyans are facing today with such a lowly mentality. And I have always credited him for that, I have never taken it away from him. To me, he should have been the mobilizer in chief and a crowd warmer at rallies and funerals for the party and not its leader. So, let us keep the political analysis, discourse and criticism sane on the blog. I notice of late, you have expelled the ODM die-hard brigade from what used to be their resident blog, banishing them to some other wilderness, resulting that you may be tempted to wallow in self-indulgent, congratulatory prose, waxing triumphalistic in unchallenged gloat! Nay, bethink thee; I would hasten to remind you, in line of our cherished if underpaid profession, that the onus is on us teachers, in good public service, to offer an objective treatise of the nations ins and outs. And that when we try to asses the biographies of public figures, who may not be to our liking or otherwise, still we need must defer to the dictates of scholarly objectivity, and, in the same breath, desist from the payukaring and ovyoovyo propaganda of the other hired lesser mortals in lesser professions, --even if those professions pay them the world! I am one tough defender of my profession. I have never looked at it as a panacea to personal riches, but to societal liberation and emancipation. That is why I wear the tag everywhere I go, even here on Jukwaa. That is why I have downed my tools here at Mukibis to tell Mutula Kilonzo just like my colleagues are doing to Rahm Emmanuel in Chicago that, I deserve some respect. Now, as far as the ODM honchos of jukwaa are concerned, I was never part of the reason why they left. These guys married a lie and for ages embraced and took care of it like their own baby. When they came to learn of the bitter truth, they had to cover their faces in embarrassment and left. Those who have remained like my friend Abdulmote, they are seriously weaving a totally different narrative as they retrace their voices. While others like Einstein and Reporter have simply become irrelevant. You must have noticed that for the first time, in his/her life on Jukwaa, Einstein the other day spewed a lot of filth on this board. First rewind and you come across Kathure's and Reporter's mud-wresting. That tells me that these are guys at their breaking point, and it has nothing to do with Mwalimumkuu or any of those other guys you mention, but their own internal introspection. If you read the 'late' Job's final submissions on jukwaa, and saw what happened to the very issues he was waxing lyrical about, and who led from the front in killing those bills, you would agree with me that his was a 'timely death'. For their chief conductor Adongo, he was here, on the ground and saw things for himself and heard stuff from real Kenyans and not what he was used to reading from his basement apartment in Toronto. The truth was just too overwhelming and they had to take off. That is what happens when you build your house on sand of the banks of Nyando river. When the banks burst for just one night, you are gone my friend with all you sufurias and matandiko. That is how the lives of these guys here ended, it had nothing to do with Mwalimumkuu and I am not even celebrating it, but rather sad, that such men and women of such great brain can be taken for a ride for so long. I think Raila is not an effective implementor of policy. I think he lacks a structured aptitude for running a bureaucracy, a highly detailed process of follow-ups and boring tables, which is what government is. No vitendawilis about rates of employment when they hit 40% I can assure you. And I have a specific example from his time as Energy man. I totally agree with you, and that has been the beginning and ending of my argument all a long.
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Post by abdulmote on Sept 11, 2012 19:57:55 GMT 3
"Now, as far as the ODM honchos of jukwaa are concerned, I was never part of the reason why they left. These guys married a lie and for ages embraced and took care of it like their own baby. When they came to learn of the bitter truth, they have cover their faces in embarrassment and leave. Those who have remained like my friend Abdulmote, they are seriously weaving a totally different narrative as they retrace their voices".
Mwalimu,
With all due respect, group me not with your "ODM honchos". Never in my life have I ever proclaimed neither devotion nor committment to the ODM's ideals, and that is if they have any. The same applies to the others; PNU, TNA, G7, URP or KKK. I am confortable enough in my neutral cave if you like. In my opinion, political leadership in Kenya is yet to mature into civilised ideaological standing. Tribal politics, corruption and grossly incompetent abilities compose their status, and that includes Raeella and Kibaki in the same basket!
As to the silence from some members in here, well...if you have been here long enough you will realise that even Jukwaa has its seasons. Sometimes we come and sometimes we go. After all, any posting done is entirely voluntary and in my opinion mainly for entertainment purposes. Just have a look at the number of my posts for a clue, and I have been a member from day one!
Having said that, I commend Jakaswanga and podp for their objective and incisive observations. But more than anything, my fear is Kenya has gone to the dogs and nothing short of miracle will bring it back on track towards true civilisation!
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Feb 6, 2013 22:02:34 GMT 3
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