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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jan 16, 2012 8:18:05 GMT 3
Eldoret North MP and former minister for Agriculture and Higher Education William Ruto finally unveiled his highly publicized URP party at the Bomas of Kenya with pomp, song and dance.
The former ODM strongmen put up a show that promises a bruising battle ahead with his competitors.
Ruto and his allies delivered to Kenyans what analysts have identified as the main issues that will form the party’s manifesto moving into the impending general elections.
The party whose clarion call is ‘Walking the Talk’ (which can easily be said to be a chide to politics of kitendawili), identified infrastructure especially the railway line, food security, youth unemployment, tribalism, nepotism, corruption, family values and governance and ethics as some of the main issues forming its campaign platform.
It also never escaped the imagination of keen observers that the party seems focused on putting together a coalition of the former KADU zones especially Rift Valley, Coast and North Eastern as its starting point.
Interestingly, these are the same areas that made his former party ODM what it is today. The question therefore remains, will Ruto have what it takes to lock ODM out of these areas and consign it to a resounding defeat? Being his first stab at the presidency, will he have the energy and organizational skills to go the whole hog?
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Post by phil on Jan 16, 2012 9:38:06 GMT 3
mwalimuCongratulations are in order. I heard it cost Kshs 50million. You guys have started on a wrong footing. Other than Kaparo perhaps, Ruto, Jirongo, Duale, Magara, Mwakwere are all members of other parties. And they have repeatedly said they are in their respective parties to stay. Where's the mass defection we've been hearing about since 2008? You launch a party and declare interest in the party's presidential ticket, yet you still serve as party leader of another! Walking the talk indeed! Ruto's speach at Bomas was a poor attempt at replicating Raila's vision launch of 2007. If you ask him exactly how his government intends to rehabilitate infrastructure, he will draw a blank. What can we say of Jirongo, surely? But this is good. With URP set to get a few MPs in opposition benches in 2013, one hopes that the 11th parliament will have some sanity and that they will not again start prostituting themselves to a ruling ODM.
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Post by nowayhaha on Jan 16, 2012 11:57:50 GMT 3
mwalimuCongratulations are in order. I heard it cost Kshs 50million. You guys have started on a wrong footing. Other than Kaparo perhaps, Ruto, Jirongo, Duale, Magara, Mwakwere are all members of other parties. And they have repeatedly said they are in their respective parties to stay. Where's the mass defection we've been hearing about since 2008? You launch a party and declare interest in the party's presidential ticket, yet you still serve as party leader of another! Walking the talk indeed! Ruto's speach at Bomas was a poor attempt at replicating Raila's vision launch of 2007. If you ask him exactly how his government intends to rehabilitate infrastructure, he will draw a blank. What can we say of Jirongo, surely? But this is good. With URP set to get a few MPs in opposition benches in 2013, one hopes that the 11th parliament will have some sanity and that they will not again start prostituting themselves to a ruling ODM. Talk of pot calling the kettle black , werent Raila , Mudavadi and all ODM founding members in other political parties be it NARC , LDP KANU when they found and started selling ODM back then prior to 2007 elections? worse of all if example of Raila Odinga is taken in example in 2002 and 2007 ??
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Post by mangai on Jan 16, 2012 12:38:38 GMT 3
Talk of pot calling the kettle black , werent Raila , Mudavadi and all ODM founding members in other political parties be it NARC , LDP KANU when they found and started selling ODM back then prior to 2007 elections? worse of all if example of Raila Odinga is taken in example in 2002 and 2007 ?? Kindly note the Political Parties Act came into being in 2008. Prior to that Raila and Co. were not breaking any law. That's why Kibaki could poach members from another party to form the then so called 'Government of National Unity'. The Act was actually enacted to tame such machinations in an effort to promote multi party democracy. To refresh your memory, this is what the Act says, in very plain language, on party hopping. In this instance, the resignation is automatic. (4) A person shall not be a member of more than one political party at the same time. (5) A person who, while being a member of a political party— (a) forms another political party; (b) joins in the formation of another political party; (c) joins another political party; (d) in any way or manner, publicly advocates for the formation of another political party; or (e) promotes the ideology, interests or policies of another political party; shall, notwithstanding the provisions of subsection (1) or the provisions of any other written law, be deemed to have resigned from the previous political party. What is the role of Registrar of Political Parties in all this..... Functions of the Registrar. 34. The functions of the Registrar shall be to— (a) register, regulate, monitor, investigate and supervise political parties to ensure compliance with this Act; (f) ensure and verify that no person is a member of more than one political party and notify the Commission of his findings; Lucy Ndung'u is either grossly incompetent or is wilfully allowing for the select violation of the Act at the behest of some political players and yet she is supposed to be independent.
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Post by Ouali on Jan 16, 2012 14:20:30 GMT 3
It is very sickening the way politics is practiced kenya style. These parties mean virtually nothing to say the least. They remain just names on paper and the ultimate goal is to grab power by all means possible. We the voters are even more guilty as we follow these individuals to whatever party they hop to. The day we will call them (party barons) bluff then we could say kenya has woken up. So far there are no signs of the same and the next elections will sure show this.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Jan 16, 2012 21:14:35 GMT 3
mwalimuCongratulations are in order. I heard it cost Kshs 50million. You guys have started on a wrong footing. Other than Kaparo perhaps, Ruto, Jirongo, Duale, Magara, Mwakwere are all members of other parties. And they have repeatedly said they are in their respective parties to stay. Where's the mass defection we've been hearing about since 2008? You launch a party and declare interest in the party's presidential ticket, yet you still serve as party leader of another! Walking the talk indeed! Ruto's speach at Bomas was a poor attempt at replicating Raila's vision launch of 2007. If you ask him exactly how his government intends to rehabilitate infrastructure, he will draw a blank. What can we say of Jirongo, surely?But this is good. With URP set to get a few MPs in opposition benches in 2013, one hopes that the 11th parliament will have some sanity and that they will not again start prostituting themselves to a ruling ODM. Phil, You see the problem with your view is, you tend to assume that all Kenyans hold the Rutos, the Uhurus etc in contempt as you seem to do. The truth however is, Kenyans have had a chance to see all these top guys running for presidency work for them in different dockets. Kenyans will therefore be making their decisions based on what they have seen. Take Ruto's stint at the agriculture and higher education ministries for instance, there are a host of things that Ruto did that propelled the ministries into the limelight. Many have never in fact understood why he had to be relieved his duties yet he was doing very well. Compare that record with what we have had elsewhere in maize, triton, KKV scandals and what have you. These things are going to make a major difference in the GE. That is why I think the URP clarion call captures it as it should be, and they will have a narrative and the eloquence to explain where they are coming from.
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Post by phil on Jan 16, 2012 22:44:37 GMT 3
mwalimuIf we have to go to the past, then the skeletons in Ruto's and Jirongo's closets will probably be enough to create another horror movie. I want to stay away from that and give the devil his due. At the top of this thread you mislead us into believing that it is about URP and what they stand for. It's apparent this was purely about Raila and ODM, and nothing more. URP has pockets of support here and there so I would assume you want to make the party even more popular than it already is. You should be concentrating on selling your party as opposed to having daily nightmares about ODM and Raila. Si nyinyi ni ma hustler?
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Post by job on Jan 16, 2012 23:29:13 GMT 3
mwalimuIf we have to go to the past, then the skeletons in Ruto's and Jirongo's closets will probably be enough to create another horror movie. I want to stay away from that and give the devil his due. At the top of this thread you mislead us into believing that it is about URP and what they stand for. It's apparent this was purely about Raila and ODM, and nothing more. URP has pockets of support here and there so I would assume you want to make the party even more popular than it already is. You should be concentrating on selling your party as opposed to having daily nightmares about ODM and Raila. Si nyinyi ni ma hustler? The reason for the lack of enthusiasm and traction stems not only from the history of the sojourn via UDM; but also because of the inherent hypocrisy unveiled through the new party's own slogan. Kusema ; na Kutenda MEANS
Our new party is URP ; we resign from ODM and seek relection under URP Otherwise, with one leg in ODM, another temporarily hopping through UDM; then perching at URP is one humongous hustling of the word KUTENDA
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Post by stranger1in3 on Jan 17, 2012 21:48:56 GMT 3
Give ruto a break! It is now clear that he will not be going to odm as some desperate guys wanted to so badly believe.the countdown begins.
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Post by phil on Feb 8, 2012 17:52:01 GMT 3
Going on to one month since it's launch, it seems URP was founded primarily to:
a) Form a pre-election coalition because it is obvious it cannot participate in a national election, emerge victorious and form government on its own
b) Conduct country-wide anti-ICC and hate campaigns rallies disguised as prayer meetings
c) Have a membership composed of individuals sittiing as MPs and as members of other political parties.
In other words, a ICC suspect's William Ruto club of personal friends and sympathisers.
URP is certainly not a of action as it purports and is not party majority of Kenyans can bank their future aspirations upon since it is founded on falsehoods, hate and dishonesty. It is a fraud.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Feb 8, 2012 18:13:53 GMT 3
Going on to one month since it's launch, it seems URP was founded primarily to: a) Form a pre-election coalition because it is obvious it cannot participate in a national election, emerge victorious and form government on its own b) Conduct country-wide anti-ICC and hate campaigns rallies disguised as prayer meetings c) Have a membership composed of individuals sittiing as MPs and as members of other political parties. In other words, a ICC suspect's William Ruto club of personal friends and sympathisers. URP is certainly not a of action as it purports and is not party majority of Kenyans can bank their future aspirations upon since it is founded on falsehoods, hate and dishonesty. It is a fraud. My friend, you lie. URP has stated categorically that it is going to compete for every vote in every county. and is working hard to make sure that happens. As we speak, in just a month of its existence, the party already has met the political party's requirements in a number of counties and is still working on the remaining. The rules of engagement have already been deposited with the registrar of parties. As a matter of fact, there is already a published timetable on how when the grass root elections will be held culminating into a national delegates council meeting in April. Soma hapa ndugu yangu: www.standardmedia.co.ke/politics/InsidePage.php?id=2000051602&cid=289&story=URP%20launches%20recruitment%20drive%20to%20beat%20parties%20Act%E2%80%99s%20deadlineCompare that with you party ODM which has been around for as long as KANU has been, and yet do not even know how it is going to nominate its flag bearer. We have a vicious war in the party with the party leader pulling in one direction and his deputy in the other. At the end, one will be running away with the tail and the other with the head my friend, heheheheheheee!!
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Post by phil on Feb 8, 2012 18:50:02 GMT 3
My friend, you lie. URP has stated categorically that it is going to compete for every vote in every county. and is working hard to make sure that happens. As we speak, in just a month of its existence, the party already has met the political party's requirements in a number of counties and is still working on the remaining. The rules of engagement have already been deposited with the registrar of parties. As a matter of fact, there is already a published timetable on how when the grass root elections will be held culminating into a national delegates council meeting in April. Soma hapa ndugu yangu: www.standardmedia.co.ke/politics/InsidePage.php?id=2000051602&cid=289&story=URP%20launches%20recruitment%20drive%20to%20beat%20parties%20Act%E2%80%99s%20deadlineCompare that with you party ODM which has been around for as long as KANU has been, and yet do not even know how it is going to nominate its flag bearer. We have a vicious war in the party with the party leader pulling in one direction and his deputy in the other. At the end, one will be running away with the tail and the other with the head my friend, heheheheheheee!! How do you call it a LIE yet your designate party leader is being reported daily organising G-7 thanksgiving hate rallies? What has he done primarily that is of direct benefit to URP? Nothing! For one to print membership cards and distribute them for free to grassroot folks, then declare them as party members across the country is the dishonesty am talking about. Just so as you understand where I am coming from, ODM membership cards are being sold for 10 shillings each, and the membership roll of card carrying members is toping 3million as I type these lines. Opinion polls bear me witness on this. As my friend Titchaz would agree, waswahili husema: kizuri cha jiuza kibaya chajitembeza! This is precisely what Ruto (UDM/URP) has been doing for the last 3 years. Prostituting an unsecured Kalenjin vote-block to anyone who cares to listen and even going as far as auctioning the party's running mate ticket to at least five different communities of Kenya. Wanna count? Anyone can print membership cards and publish a recruitment time-table. Also, anyone can visit m-pesa agents and bribe them to copy National ID card numbers to replicate their membership across the 47 counties especially when peasants are being begged to accept the membership cards for free on each market day. Soon, URP will realise that Kenya goes so much beyond Kalenjin counties where some ODM offices have been forcibly taken over by UDM and now URP. Ruto will soon appreciate and it takes much more than Raila bashing to consolidate national support, a support which has no qualms paying 10 shillings per person to acquire a connection with a party they believe holds a brighter future for them and their children. One wonders what political strategy lies in using money to rent crowds to meaningless rallies or paying MPs allowances for photo-ops at these rallies and even more tactless, pulling out former speaker of parliament out of retirement and installing them as interim chairman. This aint democracy but an abuse of democracy which is still allowed by the constitution that you opposed but that which Kenyans adopted by majority. But let's come back to the gist of the thread. What exactly does the URP stand for?
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Feb 8, 2012 19:09:21 GMT 3
Phil,
I thought by now you would know that URP stands for KUSEMA NA KUTENDA go figure what that means (hint: away with politics of kitendawili and leadership of matangazo ya mpira).
Anyhow, URP is not the party to defraud mama mbogas their hard earned day's ten shillings to feed the Ole Ntimamas of this world and ship the Bwana kubwas to town halls. No, it is a party of volunteers, those with the spirit and commitment to change the way things are done in Kenya. It is a party that has invested in the people and run by their will and not money.
That is why the message is spreading like bush fire in every corner of the country. That is the democracy we are building and the change that Kenyans can be proud of. Running away from personality politics to embrace a people driven process.
You only need to sample the crowds that are attending those meetings to understand where the party is headed. Some of you will never know what exactly hit you.
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Post by mzee on Feb 8, 2012 19:21:12 GMT 3
Mwalimumkuu So you are now in URP? I thought you said that you follow individuals not parties. And which individual are you following, jirongo, UK, wsr, zipapa, wamalwa? Let me know
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Post by Luol Deng on Feb 8, 2012 20:05:57 GMT 3
Mwalimu Mkuu,
Before I die of laughter, could you please tell me whether an elected politician can be a member of two political parties at the same time
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Post by tnk on Feb 8, 2012 20:34:54 GMT 3
fyi == Whats in a name? Eldoret North MP William Ruto and Makadara MP Gideon “Sonko” Mbuvi might soon have to decide which one of them will change the acronym of new parties they are associated with. Sonko sponsored the registration of Unga Revolution Party (URP) last year while Ruto's United Republican Party (URP) was registered last month. With the Political Parties Act providing that parties should not share confusing or similar names, abbreviations, colors or symbols, observers are keenly watching to see what the Registrar of Political Parties will do to resolve what is definitely a conflict. After all, her office is the one that issued the provisional registration certificates to both parties! == www.the-star.co.ke/national/corridors-of-power/61497-corridors-of-powerif they don't sort this out early enough, that sonko fellow is unscrupulous enough to milk this that political parties registrar is asleep on the job and has been since appointed
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Post by Mobimba on Feb 8, 2012 21:30:07 GMT 3
Chances are that Sonko will be prevailed upon to either rename his party or de-register it altogether… for an undisclosed fee of course. Either way, it goes to show you the infestation of confusion in the Ruto axis and at the Registrar of Political Parties.
By the way, URP-Ruto and the GNU (if you can still recall such an affair) both have the horn as party symbols. When it rains it pours.
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Post by Mobimba on Feb 8, 2012 22:58:53 GMT 3
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Post by adongo23456 on Feb 8, 2012 23:30:03 GMT 3
Hehehehehehehe. Not only did Ruto in this case basically grab a 100 acre land that was robbed from Mr. Adrian Muteshi (I don't know where it says he is a Kikuyu) but Ruto seems to understand that he has been caught red handed and wants to buy his way out. Ruto may have realized that he may not be whitewashed here and acquitted as has been the case before. So the land thief now wants to cut a deal. That is fine with me as long as he returns the land and pay for holding the property away from its owner for 4 years. But issues of criminal land grabbing and possible involvement in financing land grabbers as part of the PEV 2007/8 operations should be fully investigated. But then again we have the conmen in charge. In one side of the mouth they talk about reviving 5,000 PEV cases and on the other side they are in bed with the perpetrators. One thing we can all agree on, if this was a case about Raila having benefitted from PEV land grabbing operations some people here in Jukwaa would be foaming in both sides of their anatomy for weeks to come. Now you wouldn't hear a word from any of them. To them it is all ODM's fault that some criminal elements used the election fiasco to rob land and kill people.
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Post by Mobimba on Feb 9, 2012 0:13:04 GMT 3
In the very least, Ruto should pay Muteshi's legal fees plus plus… and then some.
Ruto must not plead innocence or ignorance in this matter. He cannot claim he was duped into purchasing the hapless IDP's land. The fact of the matter is that purchasing 100 acres of land in post-PEV Rift Valley is not a casual affair.
He most certainly knew the land was grabbed… and he wants to be president on the weight of votes from those displaced.
Not a bad idea for ODM to make this screaming front page news for a couple of weeks.
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Post by adongo23456 on Feb 9, 2012 0:39:22 GMT 3
In the very least, Ruto should pay Muteshi's legal fees plus plus… and then some. Ruto must not plead innocence or ignorance in this matter. He cannot claim he was duped into purchasing the hapless IDP's land. The fact of the matter is that purchasing 100 acres of land in post-PEV Rift Valley is not a casual affair. He most certainly knew the land was grabbed… and he wants to be president on the weight of votes from those displaced. Not a bad idea for ODM to make this screaming front page news for a couple of weeks. lincolnThere are very many tales here that tell their own story. My suspicion is that Ms Yator who allegedly sold the land to Ruto was a Ruto decoy right from the beginning. The issue of Ruto buying grabbed land does not a rise. This is why. 1. The land owner Mr. Adrian Muteshi went to his property after the PEV mayhem and was told the land now belongs to Ruto. That is what he has told the court and that was in 2008. 2. When Mr. Adrian Muteshi did a land such he could not trace the land at all in the land registry. That means some big people in the land office had been paid to corrupt the system and "disappear" the land. I just did a land search yesterday for a property my old man owned somewhere in Bondo District and for which I needed to pay some tax. My agent gave the plot number. It takes about two hours to do a search and find out exactly in whose name that plot is registered even if the property has changed hands. It takes "big" time land thieves to make plots disappear from the land registry. 3. After two years of trying to get his land back, Mr. Adrian Muteshi was finally told that the land had been sold to Mr. Ruto by a Ms Yator. That was in 2010. So where was the land between 2008 and 2010. 4. It is interesting that this is a civil case which means it was filed by the IDP whose land was garbbed and now being pursued by the A.G office. The DPP is playing no role in this matter and yet this is a clear criminal case of land grabbing from an IDP following the PEV 2007/8. Why is the office of the DPP not involved. The strategy is to exhaust the old guy whose land was stolen and to offer him has land back. You cannot cease to be a thief simply by returning stolen property after holding it for several years. 5. This whole case stinks of the previous Ruto land case with the KPC land. Mara settle out of court. Mara case goes on. This and that but the key is to sanitize the thieves for political reasons. 6. The DPP should be pursuing this case vigorously to get to the bottom of who actually grabbed the land? How did the alleged Yator get the land? Is this a case of ethnic cleanshing and land grabbing? All those should be very important issues to the DPP and the Kenya government but of course we know they need to protect their little toys. Finally it is not the business of ODM to take any issue to the headlines. That is the business of the Kenyan media. Like I said if this was a case involving Raila grabbing 100 acre land from an IDP in Rift Valley the media and some known characters here in Jukwaa would be steaming on both ends about "justice" for the IDP. But we have a country where selective outrage of criminal activities by political thugs is almost a religion to some. May they all burn in hell peacefully.
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Post by akinyi2005 on Feb 9, 2012 2:13:07 GMT 3
There goes Ruto the indictee selling off his assets in full view of the world?
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Post by adongo23456 on Feb 9, 2012 3:24:57 GMT 3
There goes Ruto the indictee selling off his assets in full view of the world? akinyi,I think he has been caught red handed having IDPed a man who bought land in 1968 and sitting on the 100 acre land for 4 years using all tricks in the book including making the property disappear from the land registry and now facing a court verdict willing to return stolen property and walk scot free for the land theft and whatever crimes were committed to facilitate the theft. What the IC should also take note of is the fact that no criminal proceedings has been preferred against the land thief Mr. Ruto who is also indicted for crimes against humanity at The Hague. If the Kenyan government cannot investigate nor prosecute the likes of William Ruto for such brazen acts during the PEV why even listen to them? The inmates are surely running the asylum. No doubt about that.
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Post by b6k on Feb 9, 2012 7:40:29 GMT 3
@ Lincoln. Good catch. I actually wanted to open a new thread on this but you've put it at the right place. @ Adongo, some of us do need to sleep. The fact that you operate on Canadian time gives you the advantage of pontificating while we East Africans sleep. It sort of leaves you looking like an e-nightrunner. But that's a story for another day. Your outrage at Ruto which I know he deserves, my alleged case of Ebola notwithstanding, actually reflects very negatively on ODM. By your own admission Ruto "disappeared" the said 100 acres between 2008 & 2010. Question to you ODMers & ODM leaning folk, isn't that precisely the same time Ruto was fully enjoying a honeymoon with Raila as they forced their way into government via NARA? He Hadn't fallen out yet with Raila. So it begs the question, what did ODM know about its key players acquiring stolen land at the height of PEV? Who has been Minister for Lands during this "disappeared" period? Connect the dots from there Adongo & follow the stench
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Post by adongo23456 on Feb 9, 2012 12:30:46 GMT 3
@ Lincoln. Good catch. I actually wanted to open a new thread on this but you've put it at the right place. @ Adongo, some of us do need to sleep. The fact that you operate on Canadian time gives you the advantage of pontificating while we East Africans sleep. It sort of leaves you looking like an e-nightrunner. But that's a story for another day. Your outrage at Ruto which I know he deserves, my alleged case of Ebola notwithstanding, actually reflects very negatively on ODM. By your own admission Ruto "disappeared" the said 100 acres between 2008 & 2010. Question to you ODMers & ODM leaning folk, isn't that precisely the same time Ruto was fully enjoying a honeymoon with Raila as they forced their way into government via NARA? He Hadn't fallen out yet with Raila. So it begs the question, what did ODM know about its key players acquiring stolen land at the height of PEV? Who has been Minister for Lands during this "disappeared" period? Connect the dots from there Adongo & follow the stench b6k,Facts are stubborn things. I always tell people that. From the information available in this case, ODM did not grab Mr. Muteshi's land, William Ruto did and there is no evidence that he did so on behalf of ODM or that he was assisted by ODM to IDP people by grabbing their land. This is not rocket science even for political hacks obsessed with ODM. It is pretty straight forward. Secondly, it is not the business of ODM to track land thieves and grabbers whether they are members of ODM or not. That is the job of the government of Kenya that includes the police force, the NSIS (in relation to land grabbing related to PEV 2007/8) and the office of the DPP which to date has not even attempted to charge Ruto with any criminal offense in relation to the grabbed land. It is utter nonsense to even imply that the minister of lands then may have been an ODM and therefore that may have helped Ruto. One has to be completely ignorant of how the system of land acquisition (grabbing) and data control in Kenya works to make such hopeless partisan arguments. First of all, do you even know when Mr. Muteshi's land was grabbed? Do you know who was in control of the Eldoret Land office then. I know such details are irrelevant to political hawks with limited agenda but they are useful in dealing with reality. I think it is dangerous to trivialize important issues like land theft from IDPs into whether the story is good or bad for ODM. I understand why this may excite some people but a man's land was stolen from him and he was rendered homeless and it has taken him four years fighting for what is his. That is an outrage that needs no political sugar coating to be palatable. It is just a wrong thing to do. It is criminal. Today when Ruto is conernered with the Ministry of Lands having declared the alleged transfer of land from Mr. Muteshi to a certain Ms Yator as illegal, Ruto now says he is willing to give back the land and then pursue Ms Yator for selling him stolen land. Only a fool can buy that nonsense and I refuse to be one such fool. Mr. Muteshi was told way back in 2008 when he visited his land trying to get it back that the land belonged to Ruto. So it seems pretty obvious to me that Ruto was using proxies to grab land and IDP people. That is a criminal activity that the Kenyan government is failing to deal with leaving the poor old man landless fro 4 years, IDPed and unable to earn a living and worse still to pursue the land thief and grabber in a civil suit. Where the heck is the DPP? So here we go. It is interesting that the Uhuruto media types are also being forced to deal with the inconvenient truth: Here we go: www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Ruto+wants+to+return+IDPs+land+/-/1064/1323068/-/item/0/-/14j8ikvz/-/index.html
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