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Post by Omwenga on Feb 20, 2012 20:02:09 GMT 3
You either are very careless with your words or in the alternative you floss too much! Just how often is "very regularly" that you are in Kampala?  ? Does this not hurt your business interests in the far east? You need to be a bit smarter than this when showing off? So he has business interests in Uganda, and that is why he is M7s shamba boy! If he writes the truth about the dictator then not even a visa! Aha, omwenga, you have to write blurb and hold brief for that clique around m7 for the sake of dear bread! Well, we all gotta eat, but to sell ones intellectual integrity is a price too high for me! 
This kind and level of logic and argument including discussion of breads as well as the one immediately before may work for others but it doesn't work for yours truly and is therefore not worth responding to at all beyond what has been said already but let me repeat debate at this level is about sharing views not educating people unless one purporting to is not educated that much or is poorly educated but wishes to create the impression they are to make up for the lack of complete education and by that I mean not having enough education to see nonsense as an educated, let alone intelligent person would see it. BTW, your say my open letter to Mudavadi is "childish." Here is what a reader on my blog omwenga.com/2012/02/18/an-open-letter-to-hon-wycliff-musalia-mudavadi-e-g-h-m-p/#comment-598 commenting on it said about the same letter: " This letter is, precise, eloquent, insightful and is it artistically crafted with good intentions for Kenya and Kenyans. If Mr. Mudavadi gets this letter, and he being a wise and humble person, he will heed the counsel." The point is and I tell people like you this all the time; rather than wasting time and torturing your keypad name calling others or characterizing what they write with your choice of belittling adjectives and/or preferred putdowns, either rebut what is said with some logic if you are capable of doing so or leave it alone as no name calling, belittling or putdown will ever change the content and substance of one's writing or understanding of its message except for those incapable of thinking for themselves and therefore need help with the latter, which I doubt we have any here unless someone begs to differ. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Feb 20, 2012 23:38:41 GMT 3
Omwenga, I put it to you: you have private fears which deter you from analysing museveni as a dictator. You are compromised. Apart from Ugandan psychophants, you are the only one to be blind to rigour with which Kaguta wants his dynasty. Two: It is well known a powerful section within ODM is petrified at Mudavadi's challenge to Raila. This section will sing the praises of any one who wants Mudavadi to stand down, and forego his democratic right. For the benefit of the party? or for the benefit of Raila?  Imagine the political bankruptcy of proposing an Raila-Musalia MOU! Raila ata kuwachia, Musalia! As if Kenya is to be run by backroom deals? --the same thing UK isproposing, to run Kenya from a dutch cell by proxy! where the electorate will be sheep! So omwenga, when I have the time, I will belittle and disparage the mindset that thinks like that. Gharbage! [But of course gharbage can pay with so much cash floating around in the election year!] But be warned: On Jukwaa, folks like me will set fire to your gharbage! anyday anytime anyhow! And I love exercising my fingers on the keyboard. Has replaced waragi glasses as occupiers of my fingers! |
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Post by Omwenga on Feb 21, 2012 0:54:38 GMT 3
Omwenga, I put it to you: you have private fears which deter you from analysing museveni as a dictator. You are compromised. Apart from Ugandan psychophants, you are the only one to be blind to rigour with which Kaguta wants his dynasty. Two: It is well known a powerful section within ODM is petrified at Mudavadi's challenge to Raila. This section will sing the praises of any one who wants Mudavadi to stand down, and forego his democratic right. For the benefit of the party? or for the benefit of Raila? Imagine the political bankruptcy of proposing an Raila-Musalia MOU! Raila ata kuwachia, Musalia! As if Kenya is to be run by backroom deals? --the same thing UK isproposing, to run Kenya from a dutch cell by proxy! where the electorate will be sheep! So omwenga, when I have the time, I will belittle and disparage the mindset that thinks like that. Gharbage! [But of course gharbage can pay with so much cash floating around in the election year!] But be warned: On Jukwaa, folks like me will set fire to your gharbage! anyday anytime anyhow! And I love exercising my fingers on the keyboard. Has replaced waragi glasses as occupiers of my fingers! Jakaswanga, You can indulge in imagination and conjecture; set up straw men arguments and knock them down all day long and as long as you wish, yours truly will not aid you with that and is therefore at an end on this topic. Will be happy to engage you or anyone on debate based on facts or analysis based on same or sound reasoning, not people's imaginations and assumptions of facts that don't exist. You get a pass for the laughable claim that yours truly is "compromised" to prevent him from analyzing Museveni as a "dictator" not just because there is no factual basis for such an outlandish assertion, it is analytically illogical as a matter of form, given what has been said on this thread. Let someone help you putting the premises together and determining whether the conclusion follows as a matter of logic, if you can't do that on your own. It doesn't. |
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Post by kamalet on Feb 21, 2012 9:05:17 GMT 3
Omwenga, I put it to you: you have private fears which deter you from analysing museveni as a dictator. You are compromised. Apart from Ugandan psychophants, you are the only one to be blind to rigour with which Kaguta wants his dynasty. Two: It is well known a powerful section within ODM is petrified at Mudavadi's challenge to Raila. This section will sing the praises of any one who wants Mudavadi to stand down, and forego his democratic right. For the benefit of the party? or for the benefit of Raila? Imagine the political bankruptcy of proposing an Raila-Musalia MOU! Raila ata kuwachia, Musalia! As if Kenya is to be run by backroom deals? --the same thing UK isproposing, to run Kenya from a dutch cell by proxy! where the electorate will be sheep! So omwenga, when I have the time, I will belittle and disparage the mindset that thinks like that. Gharbage! [But of course gharbage can pay with so much cash floating around in the election year!] But be warned: On Jukwaa, folks like me will set fire to your gharbage! anyday anytime anyhow! And I love exercising my fingers on the keyboard. Has replaced waragi glasses as occupiers of my fingers! Jakaswanga, You can indulge in imagination and conjecture; set up straw men arguments and knock them down all day long and as long as you wish, yours truly will not aid you with that and is therefore at an end on this topic. Will be happy to engage you or anyone on debate based on facts or analysis based on same or sound reasoning, not people's imaginations and assumptions of facts that don't exist. You get a pass for the laughable claim that yours truly is "compromised" to prevent him from analyzing Museveni as a "dictator" not just because there is no factual basis for such an outlandish assertion, it is analytically illogical as a matter of form, given what has been said on this thread. Let someone help you putting the premises together and determining whether the conclusion follows as a matter of logic, if you can't do that on your own. It doesn't. Omwenga I keep telling you that you cannot be a clever person.....too many times you have "foot in mouth"!! You are the one that claims democratic credentials for Museveni and on that account a political marriage/understanding (or whatever) of some sort should be encouraged between him and your "politiko idol" Raila. You are the one claiming 7 visits a year to Uganda (sounds regular!) and also knowing the political kingpins of the country well to understand the political vibe in Kampala. Now you know the Ugandans will probably say that all this is "furi furi shiti"So when you tell us that there is NO FACTUAL BASIS to consider Museveni a dictator, then you surely must allow us to question you alleged knowledge of Uganda! You are the kind of person who depending on the situation, who would proclaim Kamlesh Pattni a saint and all this on account that he now is a televangelist in the company of that other comedian of the Helicopter church. As a friend would say, "we knows your type". |
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Post by Omwenga on Feb 21, 2012 11:36:33 GMT 3
Jakaswanga, You can indulge in imagination and conjecture; set up straw men arguments and knock them down all day long and as long as you wish, yours truly will not aid you with that and is therefore at an end on this topic. Will be happy to engage you or anyone on debate based on facts or analysis based on same or sound reasoning, not people's imaginations and assumptions of facts that don't exist. You get a pass for the laughable claim that yours truly is "compromised" to prevent him from analyzing Museveni as a "dictator" not just because there is no factual basis for such an outlandish assertion, it is analytically illogical as a matter of form, given what has been said on this thread. Let someone help you putting the premises together and determining whether the conclusion follows as a matter of logic, if you can't do that on your own. It doesn't. Omwenga I keep telling you that you cannot be a clever person.....too many times you have "foot in mouth"!! You are the one that claims democratic credentials for Museveni and on that account a political marriage/understanding (or whatever) of some sort should be encouraged between him and your "politiko idol" Raila. You are the one claiming 7 visits a year to Uganda (sounds regular!) and also knowing the political kingpins of the country well to understand the political vibe in Kampala. Now you know the Ugandans will probably say that all this is "furi furi shiti"So when you tell us that there is NO FACTUAL BASIS to consider Museveni a dictator, then you surely must allow us to question you alleged knowledge of Uganda! You are the kind of person who depending on the situation, who would proclaim Kamlesh Pattni a saint and all this on account that he now is a televangelist in the company of that other comedian of the Helicopter church. As a friend would say, "we knows your type". Kamale, Several things worth noting here for your edification and this is where edifying is appropriate: First, cleverness of a debater or lack thereof is a matter for the reader or listener to evaluate; when a debater blathers that another debater is not clever, they forget one little fact and that is they are the one all those following the debate believe is, in fact, not that clever or even clever at all which may or may not be the case but merely labeling others as such removes any doubt. Second, it does not follow that one who is clever cannot have a foot in his or her mouth or that being clever prevents one from ever having a foot in his or her mouth; quite the contrary, this is a staple of even the most cleverest of all and examples abound. I will give that as your homework to list examples starting from right here in Jukwaa, keeping in mind as hostesses remind travelers on a flight the closest exist could be behind them (read don't look too far). Third, whether Museveni is a dictator or not has not been an issue of contention anywhere on this thread and neither has yours truly contended that there is NO FACTUAL BASIS to consider him as one! It is advised to pause and carefully evaluate what a debater is saying in an argument than simply shooting with instinctive reactions regardless of circumstances, otherwise, you'll always end up with your foot in the mouth as is the case here. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Feb 21, 2012 20:11:23 GMT 3
You get a pass for the laughable claim that yours truly is "compromised" to prevent him from analyzing Museveni as a "dictator" not just because there is no factual basis for such an outlandish assertion, it is analytically illogical as a matter of form, given what has been said on this thread.Let someone help you putting the premises together and determining whether the conclusion follows as a matter of logic, if you can't do that on your own. It doesn't. Now you have put both your flat feet in your mouth! Someone help him out here. Earlier on this thread not today[/s] I have read Okolowaka's response to you regarding Migingo and relations with Uganda in general and don't see much to add to it other than note what I have blogged previously that yours truly was in Uganda during one of the eruptions of the Migingo crisis and happened to be meeting with that country's minister for foreign affairs on a business matter and the issue came up casually whereupon he left with the impression he still maintains about what the issue is really all about Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6598&page=1#ixzz1n2L1c9U6You were with the Ugandan foreign minister discussing business at the time his country invaded yours! and those business deals have been so fruitful you have become a regular with the high and mighty in M7s regime! I state this man is compromised in matters relating to Kenya-Uganda relations! Anybody care to knock me out on this 'conjecture'? |
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Post by kamalet on Feb 22, 2012 8:13:37 GMT 3
omwenga,Now you have put both your flat feet in your mouth! Someone help him out here. Earlier on this thread not today [/s] I have read Okolowaka's response to you regarding Migingo and relations with Uganda in general and don't see much to add to it other than note what I have blogged previously that yours truly was in Uganda during one of the eruptions of the Migingo crisis and happened to be meeting with that country's minister for foreign affairs on a business matter and the issue came up casually whereupon he left with the impression he still maintains about what the issue is really all about Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6598&page=1#ixzz1n2L1c9U6You were with the Ugandan foreign minister discussing business at the time his country invaded yours! and those business deals have been so fruitful you have become a regular with the high and mighty in M7s regime! I state this man is compromised in matters relating to Kenya-Uganda relations! Anybody care to knock me out on this 'conjecture'? [/quote] Jakaswanga I am sure you have had the young ones talk about Jang'o Floss Power (in short JFP) and this is when the are talking about that guy with two mobiles - one officio and the other one business.. and takes cognac rather than those african made brandies..yawa! I have this feeling that His Imperial Trueness - Yours Truly is nothing more than just flossing. I think in his delusions, he wants to win his arguments through dropping names and places, but then occassionally finds himself with foot in mouth...like you just did! Now wait and see him come back and accuse me of being jealous of his achievements! |
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Post by Omwenga on Feb 22, 2012 11:09:07 GMT 3
You were with the Ugandan foreign minister discussing business at the time his country invaded yours! and those business deals have been so fruitful you have become a regular with the high and mighty in M7s regime! I state this man is compromised in matters relating to Kenya-Uganda relations! Anybody care to knock me out on this 'conjecture'? Jakaswanga I am sure you have had the young ones talk about Jang'o Floss Power (in short JFP) and this is when the are talking about that guy with two mobiles - one officio and the other one business.. and takes cognac rather than those african made brandies..yawa! I have this feeling that His Imperial Trueness - Yours Truly is nothing more than just flossing. I think in his delusions, he wants to win his arguments through dropping names and places, but then occassionally finds himself with foot in mouth...like you just did! Now wait and see him come back and accuse me of being jealous of his achievements! Kamale, Instead of noting that yours is nothing but the words of one consumed with jealousy, I'll let anyone reading them come to their own conclusions as they should. People in these fora are intelligent enough to know what to make of characters in these fora and their contributions, if any and for those of us who are not hiding behind fake names and handles, there are many here who know us personally and can vouch for anything we say and our contributions speaks for itself. |
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Post by Omwenga on Feb 22, 2012 11:15:37 GMT 3
omwenga,Now you have put both your flat feet in your mouth! Someone help him out here. Earlier on this thread not today [/s] I have read Okolowaka's response to you regarding Migingo and relations with Uganda in general and don't see much to add to it other than note what I have blogged previously that yours truly was in Uganda during one of the eruptions of the Migingo crisis and happened to be meeting with that country's minister for foreign affairs on a business matter and the issue came up casually whereupon he left with the impression he still maintains about what the issue is really all about Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6598&page=1#ixzz1n2L1c9U6You were with the Ugandan foreign minister discussing business at the time his country invaded yours! and those business deals have been so fruitful you have become a regular with the high and mighty in M7s regime! I state this man is compromised in matters relating to Kenya-Uganda relations! Anybody care to knock me out on this 'conjecture'? [/quote] Jakaswanga,I am not surprised you don't know the meaning of the metaphor "putting one's foot in the mouth" or its application and neither am I surprised you don't know the meaning of the word "compromised" or its application. I stand by everything I have said on this thread and that's enough as I see no need to say anything further. |
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Post by kamalet on Feb 22, 2012 15:58:56 GMT 3
omwenga,Now you have put both your flat feet in your mouth! Someone help him out here. Earlier on this thread not today [/s] I have read Okolowaka's response to you regarding Migingo and relations with Uganda in general and don't see much to add to it other than note what I have blogged previously that yours truly was in Uganda during one of the eruptions of the Migingo crisis and happened to be meeting with that country's minister for foreign affairs on a business matter and the issue came up casually whereupon he left with the impression he still maintains about what the issue is really all about Read more: jukwaa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6598&page=1#ixzz1n2L1c9U6You were with the Ugandan foreign minister discussing business at the time his country invaded yours! and those business deals have been so fruitful you have become a regular with the high and mighty in M7s regime! I state this man is compromised in matters relating to Kenya-Uganda relations! Anybody care to knock me out on this 'conjecture'? [/quote] ...now that we know that your knowledge of english is suspect....we could knock you out on a different "conjecture" - if you know what I mean! |
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Post by jakaswanga on Feb 22, 2012 20:38:54 GMT 3
You were with the Ugandan foreign minister discussing business at the time his country invaded yours! and those business deals have been so fruitful you have become a regular with the high and mighty in M7s regime! I state this man is compromised in matters relating to Kenya-Uganda relations! Anybody care to knock me out on this 'conjecture'? I am not surprised you don't know the meaning of the metaphor "putting one's foot in the mouth" or its application and neither am I surprised you don't know the meaning of the word "compromised" or its application. I stand by everything I have said on this thread and that's enough as I see no need to say anything further. , Let us see if I know the meaning of the expression boot-licker. I put it to you your tongue is well experienced licking the boots in the M7 court. For opportunities for monetary gain. So you are easily manipulated there. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Feb 22, 2012 20:43:26 GMT 3
...now that we know that your knowledge of english is suspect....we could knock you out on a different "conjecture" - if you know what I mean! kamalet, Oh my english! But omwenga makes such a wonderful practice target! I am sure my english will astonishingly improve so long he continues to straddle jukwaa with two flat feet in mouth! in mentally challenged gait! |
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Post by abdulmote on Feb 22, 2012 22:54:49 GMT 3
This ‘two feet in the mouth’ business, it is kind of hard man! Being a man of imaginations I tried contemplating how it would feel to have both of them feet in my gob, if just for the fun of it! First of all I had to thank my God that my feet weren’t Jiggers infested. But then again, having the two massive ones in my mouth simply proved to be too much to say the least.
What of my two Big toes with their germ infested nails that have hardly been touched by a clipper! Then the rest of the other eight multi sized toes, all trying to fit in the cramped space called my mouth, when my leather shoes have always been complaining bearing my daily tarmacking. My chicks being stretched to their limits, unable to speak or even breath a gasp of air and all done by own self?
But that is not all. I tried thinking of how stretched my tendons would be and the pain associated with it! I mean the last time I tried to introduce Yoga as part of my fitness regime, thinking that I may be able to become a local Bruce lee in my hood, during my teens of course, I ended up on my bum! Too painful to manage in a day!
But yeah, in Jukwaa it can be done! Kizunguuh!
…although this is just for laughs.
On a side note:
Jakaswanga my friend, I can appreciate your passion and sentiments expressed herein, but I will spare my response for the weekend, Inshallah, promise not to disappoint you.
Baadae.
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Post by Omwenga on Feb 22, 2012 23:06:17 GMT 3
Jakaswanga,I am not surprised you don't know the meaning of the metaphor "putting one's foot in the mouth" or its application and neither am I surprised you don't know the meaning of the word "compromised" or its application. I stand by everything I have said on this thread and that's enough as I see no need to say anything further. , Let us see if I know the meaning of the expression boot-licker. I put it to you your tongue is well experienced licking the boots in the M7 court. For opportunities for monetary gain. So you are easily manipulated there. I am sure use of this type of crude and filthy language gives the likes of you some perverted satisfaction so yours truly would not stop you from wallowing in it and having as many orgasms as you do with it but kindly leave him off your sick and perverted imaginations. |
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Feb 23, 2012 8:01:37 GMT 3
Excuse me, but what was the topic again?
I got lost in the muddle of the personal barbs...
Onyango Oloo
Nairobi, Kenya
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Post by Omwenga on Feb 23, 2012 18:04:12 GMT 3
Excuse me, but what was the topic again? I got lost in the muddle of the personal barbs... Onyango Oloo
Nairobi, KenyaOO, I have told these three or so obsessed with going personal to focus on discussion of issues but my counsel seems to fall on deaf ears--and I know you have in the past said the same thing, not that it needs to be said in a board like this where one should expect adults discussing serious issues or even petty issues in a serious manner. I have no interest in discussing personal issues but will defend against ad hominem attacks best as I know how as I am sure you would--well, you don't have to; you can just take the offender to the chopping block. |
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Post by jakaswanga on Feb 23, 2012 21:21:01 GMT 3
Excuse me, but what was the topic again? I got lost in the muddle of the personal barbs... Onyango Oloo
Nairobi, KenyaThe topic in short: Kenya uganda relations and economic twin conjoinedness, in the light of Uganda's continual occupation of Migingo Kenya, and Raila's alleged warm heart towards M7, and omwenga's jubilation at that. I, having ascertained omwenga, by his own confession, has business dealings with the high and mighty in M7s circle --foreign minister befits that definition, asserts omwenga suffers from conflict of interest, is c ompromised by his business motives, and therefore his praise-singing of the Museveni-Raila pact, can be adequatedly put down as pr-blurb of the type we call sucking up to! On the contradictory relationships between morality and politics and economics; expedient pragmatism and national dignity; patriotism and sagely neighbourliness --all brought to the fore as by products of this toxic warfare, I will be seeking the enlightened guidance from Abdulmote, who may have had wisdom visited upon him by the invicible hand of age! |
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Post by jakaswanga on Mar 2, 2012 21:44:11 GMT 3
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Post by abdulmote on Mar 11, 2012 17:03:29 GMT 3
It is a difficult responsibity and a heavy one at that. That of making decisions. Decisions on behalf of the Government. On behalf of the people. And on behalf of the state and the nation.
Raila has very limited abilities, power and tools that originate from his mandate as given by the people and their chosen mode of governance. In all his intentions and purposes, he must always strive to show that it is his people’s aspirations and desires and that he is always in pursuit of. That he is their leader and their defender of all matters threatening their well being. Raila has played this role very well and to a good degree quite successfully appeasing, although that is not to say he has been entirely and all the time loyal to the cause.
Raila is also restricted and bound by the protocols and rules of governance which seek to fulfil its roles of providing common and essential services for its nationals. Through a variety of ministries and government institutions, they are the tools which ought to strive towards providing the essential services, whilst at the same time striking a delicate balance in the interests of its common public consumers. This in itself must inevitably be governed by rules and principles which may come into conflict against the various and diverse interests that cannot appease everyone all the time.
And there are the international relations to be wisely managed for the common and wider good of harmonious existence between the people who share that relation. Again, the different levels of interests in the parties concerned, protocols of expected behaviour, electorates’ aspirations and desires, the country’s economic and trade status, peace and harmony and the need to strive for a balanced success for his nation, should dictate Raila’s behaviour as the Prime Minister of Kenya.
Then there is the vocal passion of the people which may desire to fight for the same, even if it means transcending their nation borders. Theirs sometimes re passions influenced by public inspiring rhetoric which many a times lack genuine purpose achievable objectives. Much as such a passion may seem justified, its desire to be pursued nevertheless commonly lack planning, consideration of the various other critical factors, strategy and ultimately leading to the potential failure af achieving any objectives if they were to ever exist.
Besides all this, Raila’s constituency as the PM and a leader representative of the people of Kenya, limits his political and its operational jurisdiction. His position is weakened and restricted by Kenya’s economic status and interdependency our two countries share. His political rhetoric is limited to remaining simply as such and only cautiously at the grassroots’ level, where such is Raila’s act of feeding the masse’s that their passion and fondness may be sustained only for his own good.
Had he thought deep about his subject rhetoric and pondered on its implications, Raila would not have said what he did as presentation of his pleasing rhetoric to the masses he may have knowingly deceived. It was simply a lie.
I hope my toes do still remain clear of my oral cavity!
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? Does this not hurt your business interests in the far east?
