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Post by phil on Nov 7, 2012 9:19:35 GMT 3
In Today's Star: Uhuru, Ruto to sign pact in Bujumbura, Burundi today. Kalonzo, Mudavadi hold talks  |
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Post by phil on Nov 7, 2012 9:43:07 GMT 3
PLAN A:
STOP RAILA ODINGA AT ALL COSTS
PLAN B:
Uhuru Kenyatta - President
William Ruto - Deputy President
Charity Ngilu - Leader of Majority
Eugene Wamalwa - Speaker
PLAN C:
Charity Ngilu - President
Eugene Wamalwa - Deputy President
Rachael Shebesh - Leader of Majority
Charles Keter - Speaker
December 4th here we come!!!
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Post by mzee on Nov 7, 2012 11:13:25 GMT 3
Im loving this.
Now these fellows have plan C because they believe that B might be stopped by the courts. What I don’t understand is this; how will they put in motion plan B if A fails? After all the court verdict as far as their eligibility is concerned will obviously come after 4th of December.
These are jokers.
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Post by phil on Nov 7, 2012 11:23:37 GMT 3
Im loving this. Now these fellows have plan C because they believe that B might be stopped by the courts. What I don’t understand is this; how will they put in motion plan B if A fails? After all the court verdict as far as their eligibility is concerned will obviously come after 4th of December. These are jokers. The biggest fools here are Eugene Wamalwa and Charity Ngilu. More so the young Eugene who is sacrificing his political future by conspiring with ICC suspects to rob Kenyans of their sovereignity. One would have also hoped that Ngilu learnt a thing or two about the NARC betrayals by Kibaki. TNA is PNU by another name. URP is smaller KANU by another name. The biggest winners are Kenyan voters who can see right through this charade! |
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Post by mzee on Nov 7, 2012 11:50:14 GMT 3
Sorry Phil,
I meant, "how will they put in motion plan C if B fails"?
So Ngilu and Wamalwa are spares wheels waiting to be used in case of a puncture? Talk about being an idiot. But just like condoms they will discarded upon use.
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Post by kamalet on Nov 7, 2012 12:05:33 GMT 3
Shouldnt you guys be concentrating on how your man will survive the onslaught rather than sit and hope that the duo is stopped by the courts. Have you not realised that being stopped by the courts will only mean them picking someone who will still beat your man in the first round?
I cannot but help but wait for the next Ambitho polls - if they will come!!
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Post by b6k on Nov 7, 2012 12:56:07 GMT 3
In Today's Star: Uhuru, Ruto to sign pact in Bujumbura, Burundi today. Kalonzo, Mudavadi hold talks Phil, oddly enough your headline here isn't on The Star's website. Is it kosher? |
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Post by phil on Nov 7, 2012 18:01:46 GMT 3
Kinmosa Declaration has now forced Ruto and URP adherents to skip a photo-op with Burundi President Pierre Nkuruzinza. Ruto and company had accompanied Uhuru and other alliance members to Bujumbura on shuttle diplomacy and also sign agreements on their proposed alliance. As reported on this thread, RV is furious with Ruto for trying to auction their vote to the highest bidder and have promised dire consequenses to Ruto and URP if they disolve and join up with TNA led by Uhuru Kenyatta. The kitchen is getting hotter I tell you folks. Where has Ruto suddenly disappeared to?   If Ruto and URP thought Kinmosa declaration was a joke, then let them proceed with their plans and put pen to paper. It will be akin signing an early political retirement. Meanwhile, this shuttle diplomacy just shows how Kibaki and co are getting desperate! It's Kenyans who vote and Burundians or Tanzanians.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Nov 7, 2012 18:15:38 GMT 3
Kinmosa Declaration has now forced Ruto and URP adherents to skip a photo-op with Burundi President Pierre Nkuruzinza. Ruto and company had accompanied Uhuru and other alliance members to Bujumbura on shuttle diplomacy and also sign agreements on their proposed alliance. As reported on this thread, RV is furious with Ruto for trying to auction their vote to the highest bidder and have promised dire consequenses to Ruto and URP if they disolve and join up with TNA led by Uhuru Kenyatta. The kitchen is getting hotter I tell you folks. Where has Ruto suddenly disappeared to? If Ruto and URP thought Kinmosa declaration was a joke, then let them proceed with their plans and put pen to paper. It will be akin signing an early political retirement. Meanwhile, this shuttle diplomacy just shows how Kibaki and co are getting desperate! It's Kenyans who vote and Burundians or Tanzanians. You surely are looking at things from a pin-hole camera my friend. This plane has already taken off. You can clearly see the ground swell as many more leaders join this coalition of the people. In the meantime, your man is still running around town looking for anyone, yes anyone to work with, but so far hakuna bahati. Phil, Raila is going to be a case study for many years to come. At least politicians will begin to learn that, wananchi deserve better. Leaders will begin to be accountable to the electorate. That is the seed this new coalition is planting. |
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Post by mzee on Nov 7, 2012 18:18:33 GMT 3
Yes Phil,
Its easier said than done.
Talk is cheap thats why Ruto cannot take any action toward his much publicized alliance with Ruto. Seems that ODM is in a very good place however you look at it.
If these guys have 5.3+2.5+1.2+1 million votes between them, then what are they waiting for? Cant they just put pen to paper and walk straight to state house?
That pen is getting hotter by the day.
Sit back and watch Ruto burn politically.
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Nov 7, 2012 18:38:16 GMT 3
Yes Phil, Its easier said than done. Talk is cheap thats why Ruto cannot take any action toward his much publicized alliance with Ruto. Seems that ODM is in a very good place however you look at it. If these guys have 5.3+2.5+1.2+1 million votes between them, then what are they waiting for? Cant they just put pen to paper and walk straight to state house? That pen is getting hotter by the day.Sit back and watch Ruto burn politically. Guys, you are becoming a little too restless. Anyone conversant with the Kenya's electoral map will tell you that this coalition is a touchdown, round one. Besides, the communication from the two camps has been very clear that the deal will be signed in the open at end month. What calendar are you guys looking at? |
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Post by phil on Nov 7, 2012 18:53:23 GMT 3
I have clip here of the Uhuru's visit to Bunjumbura.
This kind of protocol arrangements can only be organised by Office of the President. Only the court of arms and national flag are missing as Eugene Wamalwa perfectly plays Aide-De-Camp.
With Uhuru receiving the kind of hosting normally reserved for visiting head of state, he goes further to confirm that this was a shuttle diplomacy organised by none other than President Mwai Kibaki.
I am not sure how this will help of save Uhuru from the ICC. I am also a little confused as to how Uhuru is anticipating a troubled electoral period going further to predict that Kenyans should be allowed to solve their own problems after voting.
Does Uhuru know something we dont? It seems obvious to me now that Uhuru and Ruto are planning to turn down or ignore ICC summons, and are preparing the region for pariah state situation!
Are some sections of the political divide planning a civilian coup and a bloodbath?
Kenyans beware!!!
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Post by raiswakesho on Nov 7, 2012 19:07:41 GMT 3
Phil,
URP will not enter into a pre-election alliance with TNA, Ruto will be on the ballot.
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Post by phil on Nov 7, 2012 19:12:10 GMT 3
Phil, URP will not enter into a pre-election alliance with TNA, Ruto will be on the ballot. Yes, so I am told. It is a decision that was reached in the last 24 hours following the Kinmosa Elders Declaration attended by ODM leadership. The message from this meeting was terse and uncompromising. It is a decision informed by the ultimatum issued by the elders. I think Ruto has fixed himself. The presidency is not a joke as Ruto wants to make it seem. We shall see. But to me, it seems history is repeating itself. I do not see Ruto having any significant impact on the 2013 race. Whether in the first or the second round. Hawa wazee wa Kaburwo kali kabisa. |
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Post by raiswakesho on Nov 7, 2012 19:19:04 GMT 3
Mwalimu,
Uhuru/Ruto coalition that never was, would have only been strong if the people of Rift Valley were to agree to be sold but as we can now report, watu wa bonde la ufa wamesema haiwezekani kamwe! Binadamu sio gunia ya mahindi and my friend Bill has just found out.
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Post by b6k on Nov 7, 2012 19:19:07 GMT 3
I have clip here of the Uhuru's visit to Bunjumbura. This kind of protocol arrangements can only be organised by Office of the President. Only the court of arms and national flag are missing as Eugene Wamalwa perfectly plays Aide-De-Camp. With Uhuru receiving the kind of hosting normally reserved for visiting head of state, he goes further to confirm that this was a shuttle diplomacy organised by none other than President Mwai Kibaki. I am not sure how this will help of save Uhuru from the ICC. I am also a little confused as to how Uhuru is anticipating a troubled electoral period going further to predict that Kenyans should be allowed to solve their own problems after voting. Does Uhuru know something we dont? It seems obvious to me now that Uhuru and Ruto are planning to turn down or ignore ICC summons, and are preparing the region for pariah state situation! Are some sections of the political divide planning a civilian coup and a bloodbath? Kenyans beware!!! Office of the President at the hosting country. You need to be specific about that. The Burundians are the ones who decided to lay out the red carpet & troops. I would bet Uhuru & his entourage were secretly taken aback by the pomp & ceremony ;D |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Nov 7, 2012 19:29:39 GMT 3
I have clip here of the Uhuru's visit to Bunjumbura. This kind of protocol arrangements can only be organised by Office of the President. Only the court of arms and national flag are missing as Eugene Wamalwa perfectly plays Aide-De-Camp. With Uhuru receiving the kind of hosting normally reserved for visiting head of state, he goes further to confirm that this was a shuttle diplomacy organised by none other than President Mwai Kibaki. I am not sure how this will help of save Uhuru from the ICC. I am also a little confused as to how Uhuru is anticipating a troubled electoral period going further to predict that Kenyans should be allowed to solve their own problems after voting. Does Uhuru know something we dont? It seems obvious to me now that Uhuru and Ruto are planning to turn down or ignore ICC summons, and are preparing the region for pariah state situation! Are some sections of the political divide planning a civilian coup and a bloodbath? Kenyans beware!!! Uhuru is simply telling you to be ready. He has done what Bill Clinton has famously referred to as arithmetic (which you have proudly posted elsewhere on this board, albeit under a misleading header) and come to the conclusion that only his god can bring his journey to the house that he once occupied as a little boy to a screeching halt. |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Nov 7, 2012 19:34:41 GMT 3
Mwalimu, Uhuru/Ruto coalition that never was, would have only been strong if the people of Rift Valley were to agree to be sold but as we can now report, watu wa bonde la ufa wamesema haiwezekani kamwe! Binadamu sio gunia ya mahindi and my friend Bill has just found out. The people of RV have been in the corridors of power before and know very well what that means. They are not about to through such an opportunity for the sake of wapita njia, especially, those they have welcomed before and took off in the morning with their cows and goats the way Raila did. We've been here before, rewind to the yes/no campaign and you will begin to realize that Ruto is going nowhere and he will beat your guy like a drum, now untill March next year. Here are your guys, the kitchen is already getting too hot for them. www.nation.co.ke/News/politics/Leaders+urged+to+conduct+issue+based+campaigns+as+Obama/-/1064/1614232/-/ifbk4yz/-/index.htmlThe best they can do for Kenyans is to burn their money by celebrating Obama victory, hakuna kitu ingine wanaweza hawa watu. |
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Post by phil on Nov 7, 2012 19:37:35 GMT 3
Office of the President at the hosting country. You need to be specific about that. The Burundians are the ones who decided to lay out the red carpet & troops. I would bet Uhuru & his entourage were secretly taken aback by the pomp & ceremony ;D You are trying to be clever by a half bwana b6kA foreign head of state cannot receive another citizen of Kenya and accord full state honours without the express intervention of President Kibaki. It is only Kibaki who could have arranged this trip and that to Tanzania at the same level. That is diplomatic protocol. It is also ill advised for Kibaki to refuse to meet Koffi Annan in his capacity as the mediator of the coalition government that Kibaki and Raila jointly head. Koffi was smart enough to avoid meeting TNA leadership just because others mistakenly thought he had met ODM leadership! On these shuttle diplomacy trips, the risk is great because if another candidate other than Uhuru wins the elections, then Nkuruzinza and Kikwete are left with eggs on their faces. Such a scenario ultimately affects development of EAC into a political federation. When all is considered, Uhuru remains a ICC indictee for crying out loud! This is not a a small charge my friend. Ours is a critical election. It would do Kenya's retiring president and regional leaders good if they conduct themselves with utmost neutrality. So predictable you guys, I note you have given the other pertinent issues I raised in that comment a wide berth. Sawa tu! |
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Post by raiswakesho on Nov 7, 2012 20:03:48 GMT 3
Mwalimu,
You've never been objective on anything and it's therefore hard to engage you in any discussion. How exactly did the PM wrong the people of Rift Valley? Is it Mau? If so, do you think it was a wrong idea for the gov't to restore the Mau? But if you supported the Mau restoration then you probably faulted the gov't on how the whole process was carried out and I do too but why exactly is the PM among all those who were involved being singled out? Did the then finance minister Hon. Uhuru Kenyatta provide the needed funds in timely manner or didn't the PNU wing of the coalition gov't voluntarily play politics with this issue strategically to create a wedge between the PM and the Kalenjins? The facts are out there for anyone with a serious mind to digest but for those who claim voluntary ignorance, I can't convince them otherwise.
By the way, I don't see anything wrong with what the ODM reloaded team said under the link you provided. We need clean politics from all Kenyans and more so from our leaders but since there's never gonna be anything like clean politics anywhere in the world, we can still strive to inch closer by toning down the crap we are used to in Kenya. On a lighter note, the Obama victory celebrations is open to all, it would be nice to meet you there and discuss some politics.
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Post by joblesscorner on Nov 7, 2012 20:04:23 GMT 3
Phil,You are pretty funny, this from Kofi Annan website Mr. Kofi Annan and Mr. Benjamin Mkapa, Members of the African Union Panel of Eminent African Personalities, to visit Kenya.
Sunday, 7 October 2012, Nairobi -Mr. Kofi Annan and H.E. Mr. Benjamin Mkapa will be visiting Kenya from 8 to 11 October, 2012, in their capacities as members of teh African Union Panel of Eminent African Personalities. The objective of the visit by Mr. Annan and Mr. Mkapa is to give support and encouragement to the Kenyan people and the country's institutions as Kenya prepares for an important transition in 2013. Their programme will include meetings with Government, independent and constitutional commissions and other major stakeholder groups, including business leaders, civil society, religious leaders, media and the international community. A press conference will be held at the conclusion of the visit on Thursday 11 October. Members of the media who are interested in attending are requested to register by emailing press@dialoguekenya.org kofiannanfoundation.org/newsroom/press/2012/10/mr-kofi-annan-and-mr-benjamin-mkapa-to-visit-kenya
Who are the Stake holders coming 2013?
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Post by reporter911 on Nov 7, 2012 20:11:46 GMT 3
Phil,You are pretty funny, this from Kofi Annan website Mr. Kofi Annan and Mr. Benjamin Mkapa, Members of the African Union Panel of Eminent African Personalities, to visit Kenya.
Sunday, 7 October 2012, Nairobi -Mr. Kofi Annan and H.E. Mr. Benjamin Mkapa will be visiting Kenya from 8 to 11 October, 2012, in their capacities as members of teh African Union Panel of Eminent African Personalities. The objective of the visit by Mr. Annan and Mr. Mkapa is to give support and encouragement to the Kenyan people and the country's institutions as Kenya prepares for an important transition in 2013. Their programme will include meetings with Government, independent and constitutional commissions and other major stakeholder groups, including business leaders, civil society, religious leaders, media and the international community. A press conference will be held at the conclusion of the visit on Thursday 11 October. Members of the media who are interested in attending are requested to register by emailing press@dialoguekenya.org kofiannanfoundation.org/newsroom/press/2012/10/mr-kofi-annan-and-mr-benjamin-mkapa-to-visit-kenya
Who are the Stake holders coming 2013? What? are you for real? what an ignorant question.. THE STAKE HOLDERS COME 2013 ARE THE CITIZENS OF KENYA..ALAH!! |
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Post by raiswakesho on Nov 7, 2012 20:15:00 GMT 3
joblesscorner,
So according to you, the stakeholders must include the political parties? I mean seriously?
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Post by phil on Nov 7, 2012 20:18:30 GMT 3
Phil,You are pretty funny, this from Kofi Annan website Mr. Kofi Annan and Mr. Benjamin Mkapa, Members of the African Union Panel of Eminent African Personalities, to visit Kenya.
Sunday, 7 October 2012, Nairobi -Mr. Kofi Annan and H.E. Mr. Benjamin Mkapa will be visiting Kenya from 8 to 11 October, 2012, in their capacities as members of teh African Union Panel of Eminent African Personalities. The objective of the visit by Mr. Annan and Mr. Mkapa is to give support and encouragement to the Kenyan people and the country's institutions as Kenya prepares for an important transition in 2013. Their programme will include meetings with Government, independent and constitutional commissions and other major stakeholder groups, including business leaders, civil society, religious leaders, media and the international community. A press conference will be held at the conclusion of the visit on Thursday 11 October. Members of the media who are interested in attending are requested to register by emailing press@dialoguekenya.org kofiannanfoundation.org/newsroom/press/2012/10/mr-kofi-annan-and-mr-benjamin-mkapa-to-visit-kenya
Who are the Stake holders coming 2013? You forgot to also read and include the statement issued after the visit:
FULL STATEMENT BY AU PANEL OF EMINENT PERSONS
Serena Hotel Nairobi 11th October 2012
Mr. Annan Discusses Kenya’s Preparations for the 2013 General Elections
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"Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen
Over the last three days, President Mkapa and I have held a series of constructive meetings with members of the Government and key national agencies. We have listened intently and we have noted the concerns and challenges expressed.
We have met with the Prime Minister, the Chief Justice, the Speaker of the National Assembly and the Minister of Justice, and members of the Dialogue Team, the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission and the Commission on the Implementation of the Constitution, among others. We have also met with the business community, the media owners, religious leaders and representatives of civil society.
We also expected to meet the President.
Our objective has been to observe the progress on the implementation of the reform agenda, and in particular the Constitution, and to support and encourage preparations for Kenya’s elections next year.
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What was your question again? |
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Nov 7, 2012 20:34:00 GMT 3
Mwalimu, You've never been objective on anything and it's therefore hard to engage you in any discussion. How exactly did the PM wrong the people of Rift Valley? Is it Mau? If so, do you think it was a wrong idea for the gov't to restore the Mau? But if you supported the Mau restoration then you probably faulted the gov't on how the whole process was carried out and I do too but why exactly is the PM among all those who were involved being singled out? Did the then finance minister Hon. Uhuru Kenyatta provide the needed funds in timely manner or didn't the PNU wing of the coalition gov't voluntarily play politics with this issue strategically to create a wedge between the PM and the Kalenjins? The facts are out there for anyone with a serious mind to digest but for those who claim voluntary ignorance, I can't convince them otherwise. By the way, I don't see anything wrong with what the ODM reloaded team said under the link you provided. We need clean politics from all Kenyans and more so from our leaders but since there's never gonna be anything like clean politics anywhere in the world, we can still strive to inch closer by toning down the crap we are used to in Kenya. On a lighter note, the Obama victory celebrations is open to all, it would be nice to meet you there and discuss some politics. Rais, Funny you accuse me of not being objective simply because I do not agree with you. Fair enough. The PM was given an overwhelming mandate by the RV people. They did not do so because they loved him to death, no. But because there are issues and grievances they trusted that he was better suited to handle. He entered into a covenant with them, just like he did with other Kenyans. Five years down the line, what has he achieved for them to compel them to look at him the second time? When an opportunity availed itself for him to deal with one of their main problems, land. What did he do? He threw women and children out of their homes and into the rain, on the roadside in makeshift homes. Many died, children missed school and many others contracted diseases they will never be able to cure. They lost property and saw their sweat count for nothing. Yes, arguments have been made that the Mau relocation was a government decision, but then we never stop to ask, who was tasked with its implementation? Was a gun held on his head and told those people must leave by this date or else you have no job? Of course not, he was told to coordinate and supervise the process. What did he do? He chose to kick innocent people in the teeth. You tell me, how do you forgive such an inhuman act? And where is the guarantee that the fellow will not become even more satanic with more power? Rais, Raila has been tried and tested, people now know him very well. That is why no one, not even the most light weight wants anything close to working with him. People now know that if you help him to power, he will demand for your wife and kids. Who wants to find themselves in such a situation my friend? Not many Kenyans do. |
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