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Post by adongo23456 on Jan 16, 2008 4:58:54 GMT 3
James Orengo, Ugenya M.P speaks about his rejection of the emerging dictatorship to a stunned Kibaki
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Post by adongo23456 on Jan 16, 2008 5:30:18 GMT 3
And then Ababu Namwamba M.P for Budalangi who kicked out Raphael Wanjala of PNU.
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Post by merkeju on Jan 16, 2008 8:05:18 GMT 3
the majority party forms the government and thats exactly what we saw,we will keep our eyes on parliament.its a joyful day
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Post by wakwitu on Jan 16, 2008 8:10:21 GMT 3
Oh my goodness - Ababu!! If Moi thought he had sleepless nights can you imagine Orengo, Ababu and Ruto on a legislative warpath against Kiabaki ....Oh, I laughed so hard :ati the honorable member of Othaya..I was waiting for him to say the dishonorable member...
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Post by dola121945 on Jan 16, 2008 11:37:43 GMT 3
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Post by denno on Jan 16, 2008 18:49:54 GMT 3
Now that Parliament is prorogued, what does the constitution say about the number of days parliament can stay prorogued before the seats are declared vacant? Can Kibaki use his powers of controlling the Parliamnet to make it useless?
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Post by nereah on Jan 16, 2008 19:05:10 GMT 3
interesting that lawfully kibaki was technically not a president untill being sworn in as mp for othaya. could this explain why his he had to jump the que before my boy Ababu Tawfiq Namwamba going by alphabetical order?
denno you are right. kibaki want to use his powers to muzzle odm in parliament but what does the law say? kibaki seems determined to cling to power at all cost but will he?
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Post by 50cents on Jan 16, 2008 19:44:32 GMT 3
Orengo's speech in parliament just showed us how kibaki is a vulnerable man. He was so unsettled, fidgeting and really uneasy. More time into that speech would have made the man to explode.
Na hio ni kionjo tu na bado mapambano!!
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Post by 50cents on Jan 16, 2008 20:35:42 GMT 3
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Post by adongo23456 on Jan 16, 2008 21:16:39 GMT 3
Now that Parliament is prorogued, what does the constitution say about the number of days parliament can stay prorogued before the seats are declared vacant? Can Kibaki use his powers of controlling the Parliamnet to make it useless? dennoKibaki is scared of parliament. Many times his aides babysit him as if he is a little toddler in diapers. They lie to him to insulate him against the full impact of his actions. A case in point is that ugly scene in Burnt Forrest where people were setting fire on houses even as Kibaki was thumping his chest about how tough his government was. Kibaki saw the rising smoke and his aides rushed to tell him those were just forest fires. Yesterday in Bunge unless Kibaki had earplugs he heard it all from the likes of Namwamba, Orengo and Ayang' Nyong'o. He was told to his face that he is a tin pot dictator. Kibaki fidgeted and looked almost pitiful as the world watched. There was nobody to hide him under the bed so that he did not have to hear what Kenyans think of him. He did not have to watch it on TV which he can turn off. He faced the full barrage and must have been shaken to his bone. No leader in our country has had to face that. Kenyatta would have ordered the bombing of Parliament. Moi would have chased all M.P's out. When we tell Kibaki that the privileges and conditions for dictatorship that Kenyatta and Moi enjoyed no longer exist he doesn't get it, but days like yesterday helped to drive the point home. After what he saw he realized that place is a disaster zone for his regime and since he cannot send police in there to teargas and shoot people like he is doing elsewhere he decided to close it. Kibaki's main fear now is that ODM will introduce a motion to address police and military brutality against Kenyans. In fact parliament could very well set up an Inquiry to look into police violence and killings of innocent Kenyans. It is very likely that such a motion could have been introduced as a matter of national importance to be discussed immediately. Kibaki can't afford that. The sad thing about Kibaki's cowardly behaviour is that Kenya needs parliamentary budget arrangements to tackle the humanitarian crisis. In fact the more sensible thing for Kibaki would have been to have his people insist on discussing the humanitarian crisis first and having unanimous parliamentary initiatives to address that problem. Those are the tangible ways of cooling temperatures by getting M.P's to say well we may disagree on who the duly elected president of Kenya is but at least we agree something has to be done to feed the crazy number of IDPs. While Kibaki may continue hiding at State House, the M.Ps have one ace to play. The Speaker of the House can call what they called a baraza. They had one called by Ole Kaparo once, under Kibaki's orders to bulldoze M.P's to support the Wako Draft before parliament could be opened. In a few days if the Speaker is provided with enough evidence that Kenya is facing a national crisis while the president is refusing to open parliament, the Speaker can summon M.Ps to this kind of baraza which can be held a couple of times every week. PNU types will not show up but the M.P's present can talk about the problems, come up with resolutions, initiatives, hold press conferences and even carry out public protests demanding that parliament be opened. That would be just another front for battle. Bottom line is Kibaki can run but he can't hide. adongo
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Post by 50cents on Jan 16, 2008 21:59:01 GMT 3
AO
You are right on that point especially the instance when kibaki was told by his aides that what he was seeing was just some bushfires due to nature, those you see in wild forest clearing the ground for new vegetation. Then again kibaki could be mentally challenged to the extent that he cant see, cant comprehend, or even cant read the news to know for himself what is hapenning around him.
Haki it was too shameful to be lied to in broad day light. And that just showed you an everyday occurence in his process of running the country.
BTW did you see how the security minister was standing nervously as if anything could hapen anytime? No wonder he was able to outrun his constituents chasing him and his relative who was found with votes ready to stuff in the ballot box.
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Post by wakwitu on Jan 17, 2008 2:06:35 GMT 3
Whereas the notice of postphonement notes that this is "normal", I have stopped underestimating the level of stupidity of the Kibaki cabal. I watched KTN News on Mon. as both KM and Mutula spoke confidently that they had numbers for the speaker, they were surprised that ODM held on to theirs. I think they [pnu] are going to use the break to plan how to regroup.
I hope that the first order of business for the parliament will be revisiting Keter's bill to give the legislature the power to control its timetable.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jan 17, 2008 4:02:30 GMT 3
I predict that the house wont open by mid march as envisioned. Any takers? We are surely but inexorably sliding into a somali like chaos. Somethings' gotta give, and the people spirits dont seem to be budging.
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Post by 50cents on Jan 17, 2008 4:41:05 GMT 3
Sometimes when you want it all, you lose even those you dont have. Kibaki ought to have known this.
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Post by wakwitu on Jan 17, 2008 8:51:39 GMT 3
"...We are not going to deal with political and electoral fraudsters, masquerading and exercisng illegally the executive authority of this nation" Ababu Namwamba on the floor of 10th. Parliament
Frame it for posterity
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Post by nereah on Mar 18, 2008 15:09:41 GMT 3
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 18, 2008 16:59:42 GMT 3
There is live coverage on KTN and the bills are as good as passed. Everybody including Kibaki who attended a regular sitting of parliament for the first time as a president has supported the bills. A new country is being born right before our eyes. This is a historic turn of events right from the edge of the abyss. adongo
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Mar 18, 2008 17:21:16 GMT 3
There is live coverage on KTN and the bills are as good as passed. Everybody including Kibaki who attended a regular sitting of parliament for the first time as a president has supported the bills. A new country is being born right before our eyes. This is a historic turn of events right from the edge of the abyss. adongo AO, help me with the link.
So Bunge has no time for Mutahi Ngunyi's mischief?
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Post by genius on Mar 18, 2008 17:31:40 GMT 3
voting on the bill has already happened and counting is being done. seems to me like they will pass it.
I guess Mutahi Nguny was only talking to the newspaper sheets. Nobody even wasted a minute discussing his speculations.
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Post by adongo23456 on Mar 18, 2008 17:34:19 GMT 3
There is live coverage on KTN and the bills are as good as passed. Everybody including Kibaki who attended a regular sitting of parliament for the first time as a president has supported the bills. A new country is being born right before our eyes. This is a historic turn of events right from the edge of the abyss. adongo AO, help me with the link.
So Bunge has no time for Mutahi Ngunyi's mischief?jahatwach I don't have a link. I got the info from friends and apparently they have voted already and the bills have been unanimously accepted more or less. I don't know if they were voting for both bills or just one of them. Ngunyi's mischief represents the frustration of the hardliners who have already been rendered voiceless becuase it is the Karuas and Saitotis who are supporting the bills. adongo
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Post by JAHAATWACH on Mar 18, 2008 17:58:24 GMT 3
Tuesday, March 18, 2008 Parliament Debates Crucial Bills15h45 Local Time - Historic Day for Kenya Kenya parliament is currently debating historic bills. The Justice Minister had earlier moved the motion seeking to pass the Constitution of Kenya Amendment Bill 2008. The next motion will be the National Accord and Reconcilliation Bill. Both bills are aimed at legalising the peace agreement that was signed by Raila Odinga and President Kibaki on 28/Feb/2008. President Mwai Kibaki has just arrived (nearly two hours late) in parliament and is surprisingly occupying the seat of Leader of Government Business, and has asked Raila to join him on the government side. It is significant that Kalonzo was initially forced to move to No.3 on government front benches, but is now sitting next to Mudavadi on the official opposition benches. Both Raila and Kibaki are now contentedly seating on government side and those who were at the end of that bench have now had to move to the back bench. Is he discreetly telling us that Raila is NOW leader of government business? Only time will tell. Earlier, George Saitoti had raised tension in the house by launching a scathing attacking on some MPs who supported violence in Rift Valley, particularly where innocent people were burnt in a church in Eldoret. (I wonder why he did not mention those who were burnt to death in Naivasha or was it an attempt to campaign for the Deputy PMs seat) All speakers have supported the Constitution of Kenya Amendment Bill 2008 and it is likely going by the mood of the house, this bills will sail without a hitch. The Kalonzos, Mutulas, Nyongos and Kajwangs of this world are singing the same song. The speaker reminded members that the last time the Kenya constitution was amended by parliament in 1982 when the then KANU government (outlawed multi-party) and made Kenya a dejure one party state, it took ten long painful and agonising years to undo this amendment. Update added by Chris 5:23 pm Kenyan TimeFor the first time in the history of Kenya a sitting president has contributed to debate in parliament. Usually Kenyan presidents just give speeches. President Kibaki gave his lengthy contribution in his capacity as member for Othaya shortly after that of Prime Minister designate Raila Odinga as member for Langata. I was touched by the impact this crisis seems to have had on our president's health. I have never heard him repeating himself or rambling on and on which is exactly what happened at one juncture and seemed to cause considerable anxiety on the government front benches but fascination from the rest of the house. The president emphasized that God must love Kenya a great deal and went on to mention God more times in this speech than in all his previous speeches (since he became president) put together. He went on to insinuate that the place where the country was going before the peace deal was reached, was really scary. His excellency Mwai Kibaki also emphasized the fact that the young people of Kenya (new generation) have no room for tribalism in the way they think or do their things. He noted that this younger generation have settled all over the world and are making a huge impact in many societies, not to mention the fact that they send money back home for development and other activities. President Kibaki caused laughter and indeed surprise when he pointed out that all that was needed to have a new constitution in Kenya was to give the whole job to Orengo (James). He added that Hon Orengo knows all that they have been discussing in the previous failed attempts to get a new constitution and was bound to come up with a document that would be acceptable to all, the president said.The mood in parliament was one of unanimous agreement to the bill and cordial behaviour to each other. This was only broken briefly on two occasions. Firstly when in an apparent slip of the tongue Gitobu Imanyara while contributing to debate said that the rest of Africa would always measure the standards of their election against the one that took place in Kenya. There was uproar from the ODM side and even the PNU back benches and it took several minutes for the speaker to restore order. The other time was when the mover of the motion Martha Karua stood to move the motion after debate and warned against the use of insensitive language referring to member Otieno Kajwangs referring to a "stolen election" in his remarks. Voting is now going on and although the ayes have it, since this is a constitutional amendment bill, numbers have to be verified so that the two thirds majority required to pass the bill is attained. Some notable nays so far include Eugune Wamalwa and Charles Kilonzo. C REDIT: Chris, Kumekucha kumekucha.blogspot.com/
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Post by kmdo on Mar 18, 2008 19:09:14 GMT 3
Watched it live on KBC online through Jumptv.
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Post by kmdo on Mar 18, 2008 19:13:19 GMT 3
Yes- 200 No - 0
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Post by wakwitu on Mar 18, 2008 19:37:35 GMT 3
Thanx Al Gore for "inventing" the internet - I am watching the National Accord Bill being debated on KTN live...
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Post by wakwitu on Mar 18, 2008 19:47:21 GMT 3
I have said all along that ODm'ers underestimate the level of anger and resentment that pnu communities have due to the presence of IDP's, and right now the pnu MPS are taking advantage of the debate to vent, with supportive foot stomping!!
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