Kalonzo Musyoka fighting for relevance

[denno]

www.nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgcontententry.asp?category_id=1&newsid=116528

Don’t rush into power sharing, Kalonzo warns

Story by OLIVER MATHENGE
Publication Date: 2/10/2008
Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka has said the government was commitment to the ongoing dialogue, but warned against rushing into a power-sharing agreement.


Vice-President Kalonzo Musyoka addresses the press outside Safari Park Hotel. Mr Musyoka cautioned the public not to rush into speculation over the outcome of the Kofi Annan-led mediation. To the left is Mwingi South MP, Mr David Musila. Photo/PAUL WAWERU
Mr Musyoka, who was speaking in Nairobi after arriving from a four-day visit to the US and Britaib, said that a power-sharing agreement may not necessarily deal with the causes of the current crisis.

The VP asserted that the government is negotiating in good faith, but added that the political solution being sought must address issues such as who really won the election, and may also need to provide a legal solution.

According to Mr Musyoka, the solution must also address the underlying causes of the violence that rocked the country and the hatred that has divided the Kenyan people.

Plight of refugees

“We must also address the plight of the over 300,000 Kenyans who have been turned into refugees in their own country,” he said, adding that justice must also be done to make sure that those who killed others or destroyed property pay for their actions.

The VP, who was a presidential candidate in the December 27 General Election, spoke on the issue a day after the government and ODM teams in the ongoing mediation agreed to drop their hard-line stances and work on a power-sharing political solution to the current crisis.

The National Dialogue and Reconciliation Committee agreed that the presidential votes would neither be tallied again nor recounted, while the proposal of holding fresh elections within six months was also edged out. ODM will also no longer insist on President Kibaki’s resignation.

Mr Musyoka asked Kenyans, and especially the media, to stop speculating on the possible outcome of the ongoing mediated talks being chaired by former UN secretary-general, Kofi Annan.

There has been speculation that the ongoing talks will resolve to institute an interim government on a power-sharing basis between ODM and PNU.

Current crisis

Mr Musyoka said that the form that such an agreement will take, and its possible impact on the current crisis, will have to be reviewed before a settlement is reached.

He added that Kenyans must remember that constitutionally, Kenya is a multiparty democracy, but added that everything can be discussed, and this must be done in good faith.

The VP said that he was happy that ODM’s Raila Odinga had agreed to drop the conditions that he had placed on the negotiating table, saying that this meant the opposition had recognised that Kenya actually has a president.

Mr Musyoka also indicated that after his trip, the international community now had the right understanding of the Kenyan situation, saying that they now know that “President Kibaki was properly sworn in”.

“The perception that had been created, especially by the media, was that President Kibaki actually stole last year’s election,” the VP said.

Rebuilding country

Mr Musyoka said that Kenya had a bottom line task of rebuilding the country in order to regain the confidence of investors and the international community.

He added that justice must also prevail in the ongoing dialogue, and that Kenyans must be able to talk freely over what has transpired through a truth and reconciliation commission.

Mr Musyoka told Kenyans not to think that he is not a part of what is happening in the mediation, saying that he was the leader of the government’s team involved in the talks.

[JAHAATWACH]

Denno,

Believe me, Kalonzo is the man to watch.He wields a leverage that could alter dramatically the political equation in this and next season. It is not surprising therefore to read Nation's Political Writer, Bernand Namunane,informing us that ODM finds Kalonzo seductive.

"ODM has accepted to bring into the equation PNU and its affiliates that include ODM Kenya whose leader is Vice- President Kalonzo Musyoka.Members of ODM, who requested anonymity, said the move could assuage its supporters as ground for the next elections in three years time is being prepared."
www.nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgcontententry.asp?category_id=1&newsid=116540

If you doubt my concerns then take a rare view mirror and just see how politically destructive this wily political animal can be.

After causing all that trouble for Raila group, he jumped ship with his ODM-K/LPK to run a campaign whose net effect was to deny Kenyans the change they have yearned for.

He did not just stop at splitting the opposition votes, No! he went further by going to bed with Kibaki and emboldening Kivuitu to commit an act that has led to deaths and destruction.

You observe his exploits and understand who Kakai meant by hewa mbaya in this lamentation jukwaa.proboards58.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1201353835&page=1

I am saying that Kalonzo is a problem that neither Raila nor Kibaki can/should and will ignore.

[politicalmaniac]

Judas KM is like the summer fly or mosquito, buzzing loudly but not relevant in the larger scheme of things. He fully knows very well that power sharing bewtween ODM and PNU WILL EXCLUDE HIS BAND OF OPPORTUNISTS!!

Njoki Ndungu here could be closer to the PNU position, of where it wants to go.

Former nominated MP Ms Njoki Ndung’u said the power-sharing deal should have provisions for a Head of State and the Head of Government. Under the arrangement, the two would share the reins of power equally. Ndung’u said the more powerful ministries should be held equally by their individual parties.

[denno]

JAHAATWACH,
I understand that in politics one does not have permanent enemies, however I tend to think that a section of Kenyans feel that Kalonzo betrayed them and they are not ready to forgive him just yet. ODM might very well need to some ODM-K MP's to vote with them - my feeling is that ODM should not go into a formal working arrangement with ODM-K. They should instead work with willing ODM-K MPs. Kalonzo is a traitor and whats to stop him from doing the same again.

[politicalmaniac]

With weighty matters such as the constitution amendments, it will be necessary for the non - ODM MPs to lay out, succinctly why they are opposed to constitutional changes.

Otherwise for normal legislative activity ODM has enough MPs to push through whatever they want, which coincidentally also happens to be the peoples agenda.

I am confident of that.

[eosir]

It is VERY SAD indeed that things have boiled down to 'power sharing' among the protagonists. Why then did we have to shed so much innocent blood and destroy so much property???

Those who paid the ultimate price must be turning in their graves now that the political leaders are busy figuring out how to share the spoils. This price was paid because Kenyans believed that the an election fraud had been committed. Are we now saying that there was no election fraud followed by an illegal swearing in of Mr. Kibaki?

I really think that another fraud is in the offing. A government that is illegitimate is about to be legitimized in the name of peace. Peace is key to the well-being of a society but justice is equally important. If we rush to create a false peace then the next battle will be much worse than the one we've just witnessed. If we want an interim government to get the country back to normalcy, bring a new constitution and organize fresh polls then the current leaders (Kibaki, Raila, Kalonzo) should step aside. How can we expect Kibaki or Raila to midwife a constitution which does cater for their individual interests? I would not be surprised if after 3 years Kibaki says that he is seeking re-election because he did not serve a full second term. He might even find an excuse to go for 10 years starting 2010. This is how Moi stayed in power for 10 years more after 1992.

We as Kenyans need to stand up and reclaim our country from politicians. This government is only interested in retaining power now and in future. It is very sad for Kenya!

[merkeju]

what is kalonzo talking about,that the international community now know kibaki did not steal the elections but was sworn in legally,and that by ODM dropping its stand that kibaki should vacate the seat which he stole translate to ODM recognize kibaki as the president am sure this man is in denial.
we dont need kalonzo and his bunch of tribesmen MPs because without them ODM won the presidency and over 100 MPs all over kenya

[wakwitu]

Traitor in Chief is currently irrelevant to the on going talks and to the shape of the next Annan crafted "government"

PM:

I like your comment, I have been searching for such words

" With weighty matters such as the constitution amendments, it will be necessary for the non - ODM MPs to lay out, succinctly why they are opposed to constitutional changes."
...may I add, or face the wrath of their people.

The more reason I believe now is not the time to go ruuning to the likes of Judas.

Jakojwaya:
Let it go my friend - I understand your anger but think of long term - 5 years 10 yeasr 20 years etc. This is teh right thing now, it is a necessary evil

Check out this blog on Judas - I think his irrelevance is well analyzed and stated
kenya-thieves-warlords.blogspot.com/

[JAHAATWACH]

eosir said:

It is VERY SAD indeed that things have boiled down to 'power sharing' among the protagonists. Why then did we have to shed so much innocent blood and destroy so much property???

Those who paid the ultimate price must be turning in their graves now that the political leaders are busy figuring out how to share the spoils. This price was paid because Kenyans believed that the an election fraud had been committed. Are we now saying that there was no election fraud followed by an illegal swearing in of Mr. Kibaki?

I really think that another fraud is in the offing. A government that is illegitimate is about to be legitimized in the name of peace. Peace is key to the well-being of a society but justice is equally important. If we rush to create a false peace then the next battle will be much worse than the one we've just witnessed.

If we want an interim government to get the country back to normalcy, bring a new constitution and organize fresh polls then the current leaders (Kibaki, Raila, Kalonzo) should step aside.

How can we expect Kibaki or Raila to midwife a constitution which does cater for their individual interests? I would not be surprised if after 3 years Kibaki says that he is seeking re-election because he did not serve a full second term. He might even find an excuse to go for 10 years starting 2010. This is how Moi stayed in power for 10 years more after 1992.

We as Kenyans need to stand up and reclaim our country from politicians.This government is only interested in retaining power now and in future.It is very sad for Kenya!

Jakojwaya?
Is it possible to start another thread using this posting?

[mzee]

wakwitu said:

Check out this blog on Judas - I think his irrelevance is well analyzed and stated
kenya-thieves-warlords.blogspot.com/

I like the way the blogger labels people.

He correctly calls Raila Amolo Odinga - President of Kenya ( the peoples president).

and

Kibaki- Bandit president (Thief-in-chief)

[insidious]

Good faith? Now Kalonzo purports to teach us something new about good faith? Just how lurid is this guy? His Judas tendencies are as brazen as his immaturity. Just why should anyone listen to this guy? He wants to make his opinions factor into the future and yet his very actions indicate a position that is contrary to national cohesion?

Medieval archives illustrate how leaders of his ilk turned out. Either on a stake with a pole probed up their rectum or in the dungeons of castles.

[kamalet]

Kalonzo will be the president of Kenya in 2012 as long as he is Kibaki's vice president. People can be stuck in the perceived injustice of his joining Kibaki rather than hang on to Raila's petticoat, but you can be sure that most of what we read in this thread is sour grapes and wishes that it could have been different.

Sometime last year, I suggested that Kalonzo was eyeing 2012 when he decamped from Raila's shadow rather than 2007. You can now take this presidency to the bank, and if you wish, cash it now!

[mzee]

kamalet said:

Kalonzo will be the president of Kenya in 2012 as long as he is Kibaki's vice president. People can be stuck in the perceived injustice of his joining Kibaki rather than hang on to Raila's petticoat, but you can be sure that most of what we read in this thread is sour grapes and wishes that it could have been different.

Sometime last year, I suggested that Kalonzo was eyeing 2012 when he decamped from Raila's shadow rather than 2007. You can now take this presidency to the bank, and if you wish, cash it now!

Only if Kibaki steals elections for him, like he did this time.
Truth is that people like Uhuru, Saitoti, Martha Karua will never support Kalonzo.

By the way will you vote for him? I was just wondering.

[dubois]

mzee1 said:

kamalet said:

Kalonzo will be the president of Kenya in 2012 as long as he is Kibaki's vice president. People can be stuck in the perceived injustice of his joining Kibaki rather than hang on to Raila's petticoat, but you can be sure that most of what we read in this thread is sour grapes and wishes that it could have been different.

Sometime last year, I suggested that Kalonzo was eyeing 2012 when he decamped from Raila's shadow rather than 2007. You can now take this presidency to the bank, and if you wish, cash it now!

Only if Kibaki steals elections for him, like he did this time.
Truth is that people like Uhuru, Saitoti, Martha Karua will never support Kalonzo.

By the way will you vote for him? I was just wondering.

Mzee,

Irrespective of who you believe won the 2007 elections, had Kibaki and Kalonzo come together, they would have beaten ODM overwhelmingly. Believe it or not, if Kenya's political scene remains unchanged, Kalonzo will be the next president and here is why:

First, out of all the 2012 potential candidates in PNU , only Uhuru comes close to being electable. Martha Karua, inspite or because of her toughness, has without question reached the climax of her political career. Beyond her native region, Karua is unelectable and to be quite honest even in central she would find it tough competing against a male presidential candidate. Saitoti on the other hand belongs to a past era. He neither commands the Kikuyu votes (at least not the way Uhuru can) nor the Maasai votes. He was actually very unpopular in his own constituency and the only reason he survived the 2007 elections was the huge turnout by Kikuyu voters. Even among the Kikuyu voters, few elected him as a person but were rather voting against the notorious ODM candidate who had, in association with the warlord, promised to help the Maasai get their constituency back. Perhaps even more significant is the fact that Saitoti, who is fabulously wealthy, is tainted by major Moi era scandals. ODM would have a field day running against him.

Uhuru Kenyatta is therefore the only person who can really claim a hold on the huge Gema block post-Kibaki. I agree that with almost four million votes in his bag, it would be very tempting for Kenyatta to run for the presidency in 2012 but I think he wont. Kenyatta is wise enough to know that after the post-election chaos and a decade of Kibaki's presidency, the last thing the country needs is another Kikuyu on top. Kenyatta is therefore likely to play Raila's role in 2002 that of King maker. It is not entirely impossible that Kenyatta may team up with a candidate other then Kalonzo but it is unlikely considering the current conditions. This job of predicting politics is quite fragile but if there is anything I can guarantee is that Uhuru will never team up with Raila or Ruto for obvious reasons. On the other hand, we cannot completely rule out a Mudavadi/Uhuru ticket in 2012. However, the story goes that Mudavadi is a political weakling who is best suited to become someone's Vp.

This leaves a Kalonzo/Uhuru ticket as the most likely probability in 2012. For one, the country is already divided along these blocks. The probability of a Gema/Luhya or Gema/Luo or Gema/Kalenjin alliance is less likely as compared to that of Gema/Kamba. Secondly, I do not forsee an ODM disintegration so, it is safe to assume that the Luo/Luhya/Kalenjin block will remain intact until 2012. Thirdly, because of ODM's unity the Gema tribes, in 2012, will be more scared than ever and are likely to vote anyone, irrespective of tribe, who can beat Raila. I therefore do not forsee a situation where the Gema votes will be scattered around several candidates. For the second time, unity among the Gema tribes will be a matter of life and death.

Kalonzo, despite what ODM followers say, is in the best position of his political career. The possibility of all the Gema tribes rallying around him in 2012 is not just a myth but reality. On the other hand, regardless of whether Kalonzo joined Kibaki's government or not he simply did not have a chance of ever winning over the ODM base. You are all being economical with the truth but as long as Raila remains the ODM chief nobody, let alone Kalonzo, stands a chance of making in-roads in the ODM zones. The myth that Kalonzo betrayed Kenyans is therefore quite amusing to say the least. What Kenyans has he betrayed? Is Kalonzo now less popular in Ukambani (his true base)? So, who has Kalonzo really betrayed? The problem with our country and a partial cause of the post-election violence is that ODM followers have built themselves around a ridiculous myth - that they are more Kenyan than anyone else. Give or take, Kibaki and Kalonzo both received about five million votes and from all indications, in 2012, Kalonzo will get the same votes.

Dubois

[kamalet]

In english, they say that some truths are better not told. I think there are people in this forum who can countenance such a scenario that shuts them out. But since the issue of tribalism is not dying soon in this country and since we do have some terrible crystal gazers who kill people who never die, your prediction is correct and Uhuru can be VP for ten years and come back as president of Kenya. It is clear that there are people who will NEVER be president of Kenya as well as some communities.

[enigma]

kamalet said:

Kalonzo will be the president of Kenya in 2012 as long as he is Kibaki's vice president. People can be stuck in the perceived injustice of his joining Kibaki rather than hang on to Raila's petticoat, but you can be sure that most of what we read in this thread is sour grapes and wishes that it could have been different.

Sometime last year, I suggested that Kalonzo was eyeing 2012 when he decamped from Raila's shadow rather than 2007. You can now take this presidency to the bank, and if you wish, cash it now!

Does Raila wear petticoats? Or did you mean coat-tails?

[lmbijiwe]

kamalet said:

It is clear that there are people who will NEVER be president of Kenya as well as some communities.

Afande
Please enlighten us which tribes will "NEVER" see the presidency so I can make sure I never give anyone from those tribes my vote. ....Xrist!! what is this obessession we have about tribes? Where can I collect an application for the "politically correct" tribes as I may wish to contend for the highest office in the land but I'm not sure if my tribe is among those that will "NEVER" see the presidency...

"A child educated only at school is an uneducated child."
~George Santayana

[insidious]

lmbijiwe said:

kamalet said:

It is clear that there are people who will NEVER be president of Kenya as well as some communities.

Afande
Please enlighten us which tribes will "NEVER" see the presidency so I can make sure I never give anyone from those tribes my vote. ....Xrist!!
"A child educated only at school is an uneducated child."
~George Santayana

Cue me in? Is that a general assumption in your circle of friends & brethren or a comprehensive analysis of the current state of affairs?

PS: It's a serious question!

[mimimzalendo]

hehe

im still waiting to understand how a "heavily ECK rigged election" in Kibaki's favor still had him above by 200,000 votes only.

so come 2012, with a very capable ECK and sealed loop holes for rigging, how will Kalonzo and Uhuru get the extra 1m votes (rigged for Kibaki) to beat a combined Western/Nyanza/RV and Coast/NEP axis?

beats me. coz this election had huge turnouts in Central and Eastern and was still close.

lets wait and see if Kalonzo will be amenable to GEMA. Lets see whether Uhuru will still step down for Kalonzo, when the other Gema heavywieghts put their political hats in the ring.

Talking hopes is one thing. Sensing facts is another. I want to see Uhuru make the same mistake that James Orengo made in 1997, when he failed to run for presidency and supported Wamalwa Kijana only to lose the Luo vote-block to Raila and never got it back.

So I want to see how/if Uhuru will step down and back Kalonzo while Saitoti, Kiraitu, Karua and others put their hats in the ring.

Some things people forget is that the anti-Gema fear will still be real if there is a VP candidate on any of the tickets. So a Kalonzo-Uhuru ticket will bring forth a "anti-gema" fear factor in the elections.

MM

[gakungu]

Kamalet,

Ha Ha ha! you never cease to amaze.

Using the political thuggery and fraudulent tactics Kibaki used, Kaloser may be rigged in as a president in 2012 that is you assumption. This is as long as everyone will go to sleep and watch this election cheat continue been in office illigitimately.

In any case which Kenyans are you talking about? The anti-PNU wave will be reaching crescedo by the end of this year I can assure you.

Continue dreaming man.

[mzee]

dubois said:

mzee1 said:

Only if Kibaki steals elections for him, like he did this time.
Truth is that people like Uhuru, Saitoti, Martha Karua will never support Kalonzo.

By the way will you vote for him? I was just wondering.

Mzee,

Irrespective of who you believe won the 2007 elections, had Kibaki and Kalonzo come together, they would have beaten ODM overwhelmingly. Believe it or not, if Kenya's political scene remains unchanged, Kalonzo will be the next president and here is why:

First, out of all the 2012 potential candidates in PNU , only Uhuru comes close to being electable. Martha Karua, inspite or because of her toughness, has without question reached the climax of her political career. Beyond her native region, Karua is unelectable and to be quite honest even in central she would find it tough competing against a male presidential candidate. Saitoti on the other hand belongs to a past era. He neither commands the Kikuyu votes (at least not the way Uhuru can) nor the Maasai votes. He was actually very unpopular in his own constituency and the only reason he survived the 2007 elections was the huge turnout by Kikuyu voters. Even among the Kikuyu voters, few elected him as a person but were rather voting against the notorious ODM candidate who had, in association with the warlord, promised to help the Maasai get their constituency back. Perhaps even more significant is the fact that Saitoti, who is fabulously wealthy, is tainted by major Moi era scandals. ODM would have a field day running against him.

Uhuru Kenyatta is therefore the only person who can really claim a hold on the huge Gema block post-Kibaki. I agree that with almost four million votes in his bag, it would be very tempting for Kenyatta to run for the presidency in 2012 but I think he wont. Kenyatta is wise enough to know that after the post-election chaos and a decade of Kibaki's presidency, the last thing the country needs is another Kikuyu on top. Kenyatta is therefore likely to play Raila's role in 2002 that of King maker. It is not entirely impossible that Kenyatta may team up with a candidate other then Kalonzo but it is unlikely considering the current conditions. This job of predicting politics is quite fragile but if there is anything I can guarantee is that Uhuru will never team up with Raila or Ruto for obvious reasons. On the other hand, we cannot completely rule out a Mudavadi/Uhuru ticket in 2012. However, the story goes that Mudavadi is a political weakling who is best suited to become someone's Vp.

This leaves a Kalonzo/Uhuru ticket as the most likely probability in 2012. For one, the country is already divided along these blocks. The probability of a Gema/Luhya or Gema/Luo or Gema/Kalenjin alliance is less likely as compared to that of Gema/Kamba. Secondly, I do not forsee an ODM disintegration so, it is safe to assume that the Luo/Luhya/Kalenjin block will remain intact until 2012. Thirdly, because of ODM's unity the Gema tribes, in 2012, will be more scared than ever and are likely to vote anyone, irrespective of tribe, who can beat Raila. I therefore do not forsee a situation where the Gema votes will be scattered around several candidates. For the second time, unity among the Gema tribes will be a matter of life and death.

Kalonzo, despite what ODM followers say, is in the best position of his political career. The possibility of all the Gema tribes rallying around him in 2012 is not just a myth but reality. On the other hand, regardless of whether Kalonzo joined Kibaki's government or not he simply did not have a chance of ever winning over the ODM base. You are all being economical with the truth but as long as Raila remains the ODM chief nobody, let alone Kalonzo, stands a chance of making in-roads in the ODM zones. The myth that Kalonzo betrayed Kenyans is therefore quite amusing to say the least. What Kenyans has he betrayed? Is Kalonzo now less popular in Ukambani (his true base)? So, who has Kalonzo really betrayed? The problem with our country and a partial cause of the post-election violence is that ODM followers have built themselves around a ridiculous myth - that they are more Kenyan than anyone else. Give or take, Kibaki and Kalonzo both received about five million votes and from all indications, in 2012, Kalonzo will get the same votes.

Dubois

DUBOIS, DUBOIS,
Your analysis is good in theory but can never function in practice. Perhaps it could if the Bomas draft const. is put in place and the power of the president reduced considerably making the seat unattractive. Otherwise it is going to be very difficult for Uhuru who has said before that he is aiming for 2012 to step aside for Kalonzo.

Please dont count 5M votes for Uhuru/Kalonzo axis, for we actually dont know how many votes Kibaki got. Some talk of 3.8M or less against ODM`s 4.2M.

I think Judas should have pulled a real miracle if he convinced GEMA to line up behind him. By the way, would it not be better for GEMA to line up behind a luo candidate, just to say thank you for the two times the luos`s have put them in power? Would that not heal the nation once and for all? Ama asante ya punda ni mateke.

Anyways, I think that there will be no elections in 2012 the way things are moving. We all know that there might be an election in one or two years time. I do believe that the new term has to last five years which takes us beyond 2012. So, the important thing is the election is the one coming after the interim government.

If kenyan history is anything to go by then GEMA will never be lead by Kalonzo.

Inspite of all the jazz about Uhuru, I think that the next man on the GEMA block is non other than Paul Muite. Watch this space.

[commes]

The official entry of Gachoka Member of Parliament Mutava Musyimi who has launched a bid for the presidency in 2012, will further complicate Kalanzo Musyoka’s fight for relevance. His 8% will dwindle further given that most of his votes come from Meru.

The only paradox is that Mutava's slogan is 'Wakati Ni Sasa' but what party?

Mama Rainbow, Ngilu is also pushing and will soon launch her Presidential bid that will further split the 8% mentioned above.


This Musyoka Guy fights for relevance even in paying of taxes. Is there an original thing that we can associate with Kalanzo? Must he imitate everything?

www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/Kenyanews/Musyimi-launches-2012-presidential-bid-13442.html

[mzee]

Commes,
I think that the constitution is very clear. If you stand for president and don't get elected, you are out of parliament. I don't think that people like Mutava Musyimi and Martha Karua who dont have clear chance of winning will be too willing to contest. Its just a show and nothing else. Kajudas will contest due to big ego and nothing else. My bet is that Karua might all of a sudden remmeber that Uhuru Kenyatta is her "brother" and lend him support. Next elections are going to be very interesting.

[KOLONEL BRISK]

Jul 2, 2011 23:38:58 GMT 3 mzee said:

Commes,
I think that the constitution is very clear. If you stand for president and don't get elected, you are out of parliament. I don't think that people like Mutava Musyimi and Martha Karua who dont have clear chance of winning will be too willing to contest. Its just a show and nothing else. Kajudas will contest due to big ego and nothing else. My bet is that Karua might all of a sudden remmeber that Uhuru Kenyatta is her "brother" and lend him support. Next elections are going to be very interesting.

Lets brainstorm this.

Qualifications and disqualifications for election as President

137. (1) A person qualifies for nomination as a presidential candidate if the person—

(a) is a citizen by birth;
(b) is qualified to stand for election as a member of Parliament;
(c) is nominated by a political party, or is an independent candidate; and
(d) is nominated by not fewer than two thousand voters from each of a majority of the counties.
(2) A person is not qualified for nomination as a presidential candidate if the person—
(a) owes allegiance to a foreign state; or
(b) is a public officer, or is acting in any State or other public office.

(3) Clause (2) (b) shall not apply to—
(a) the President;
(b) the Deputy President; or
(c) a member of Parliament.

So from what i read they are eligible to run for both.

[mzee]

Jul 3, 2011 0:24:38 GMT 3 KOLONEL BRISK said:

Jul 2, 2011 23:38:58 GMT 3 mzee said:

Commes,
I think that the constitution is very clear. If you stand for president and don't get elected, you are out of parliament. I don't think that people like Mutava Musyimi and Martha Karua who dont have clear chance of winning will be too willing to contest. Its just a show and nothing else. Kajudas will contest due to big ego and nothing else. My bet is that Karua might all of a sudden remmeber that Uhuru Kenyatta is her "brother" and lend him support. Next elections are going to be very interesting.

Lets brainstorm this.

Qualifications and disqualifications for election as President

137. (1) A person qualifies for nomination as a presidential candidate if the person—

(a) is a citizen by birth;
(b) is qualified to stand for election as a member of Parliament;
(c) is nominated by a political party, or is an independent candidate; and
(d) is nominated by not fewer than two thousand voters from each of a majority of the counties.
(2) A person is not qualified for nomination as a presidential candidate if the person—
(a) owes allegiance to a foreign state; or
(b) is a public officer, or is acting in any State or other public office.

(3) Clause (2) (b) shall not apply to—
(a) the President;
(b) the Deputy President; or
(c) a member of Parliament.

So from what i read they are eligible to run for both.

Brisk,
You are right as per the above part of the constitution.