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Post by kingtut on Apr 9, 2009 4:12:02 GMT 3
Is Miguna competent enough to represent ODM in the coalition talks? Can he match the likes of Karua and Kilonzo?
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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 9, 2009 7:36:56 GMT 3
Has he been nominated to act for ODM?
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Post by kingtut on Apr 9, 2009 8:11:42 GMT 3
No, he has not been nominated to act for ODM but he is always with Raila 24/7. Makes you wonder ...
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Post by kamalet on Apr 9, 2009 8:28:36 GMT 3
.....still waiting for a job?? Does not look like this thing is working for him!
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Post by phil on Apr 9, 2009 9:03:48 GMT 3
Mr. Miguna Miguna (for ODM) and Prof. Kivutha Kibwana (for PNU) are the JOINT SECRETARIES of the Permanent Committee on the Management of Grand Coalition Affairs, and the two individuals who prepared the initial agenda that PNU rejected at the Kilaguni talks.
Consequently, he is not in anyway 'representing ODM in the coalition talks' and I see no reason to cast aspersions on Miguna's competence.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 9, 2009 9:17:31 GMT 3
Mr. Miguna Miguna (for ODM) and Prof. Kivutha Kibwana (for PNU) are the JOINT SECRETARIES of the Permanent Committee on the Management of Grand Coalition Affairs, and the two individuals who prepared the initial agenda that PNU rejected at the Kilaguni talks. Consequently, he is not in anyway 'representing ODM in the coalition talks' and I see no reason to cast aspersions on Miguna's competence. Phil, why would you want to deny my my right to judge mediocrity and competence? Have I ever questioned your view that Kibaki is incompetent? I have my views about the competence of Miguna - especially on political matters and these I hold rather strongly! So kindly let me be! However, thank you for letting me know he did finally get something to do, and perhaps the failure of the Kilaguni talks can have a pointer ;D
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Post by kingtut on Apr 9, 2009 9:39:57 GMT 3
I don't know much about Miguna to make a judgment call on him. He might be the best legal brain in ODM. Who knows?
One thing is for sure, he has a very catchy name and he commands attention everywhere he goes.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 9, 2009 9:45:52 GMT 3
I don't know much about Miguna to make a judgment call on him. He might be the best legal brain in ODM. Who knows? One thing is for sure, he has a very catchy name and he commands attention everywhere he goes. King you are not serious, I sincerely hope!
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 9, 2009 16:38:25 GMT 3
Kamale
I don't think Miguna is interested in your line of work. Not everybody is. He has to make a living doing other things, so what is the problem? He is a private citizen making a living doing whatever interests him.
Can you give us a few examples of Miguna's incompetence the same way we give you endless examples of Kibaki's incompetence or you are just satisfied vomiting stuff to entertain yourself? Even when you can't back it up!
I saw this thread yesterday and dismissed it as a useless attempt to drag peoples' names into nonsensical debates. We are usually better of here talking about issues and we bring individuals, particularly those in leadership within the context of those issues. But I predicted the flies will flock here real quick to do the usual. They didn't disappoint at all.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 9, 2009 16:54:50 GMT 3
KamaleI don't think Miguna is interested in your line of work. Not everybody is. He has to make a living doing other things, so what is the problem? He is a private citizen making a living doing whatever interests him. Can you give us a few examples of Miguna's incompetence the same way we give you endless examples of Kibaki's incompetence or you are just satisfied vomiting stuff to entertain yourself? Even when you can't back it up! I saw this thread yesterday and dismissed it as a useless attempt to drag peoples' names into nonsensical debates. We are usually better of here talking about issues and we bring individuals, particularly those in leadership within the context of those issues. But I predicted the flies will flock here real quick to do the usual. They didn't disappoint at all. Adongo, You know you are being petty here. I do not have to justify to you why I think he is incompetent. I hold my opinions which you should let me have. The moment he dabbles in politics, I am sorry he becomes fair game as far as I am concerned! So quit defending mediocrity. Kamale
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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 9, 2009 19:26:30 GMT 3
AO Lets not confuse peer envy viewed from rose colored tribal lenses, personal animus over Miguna's National (top echelon ODM honcho Vs dais and toliet construction nyapara) and international accomplishements and authorship, versus 'legit' critism based on a tract record. Miguna has not held any elected office (YET - but, he will, take it from me). On the other hand, the sloth from othaya, nyeri, mt kenya - central province, the keguouya coward who cant face R, mano a mano, has a tract record worthy of critism.
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Post by man on Apr 9, 2009 23:06:02 GMT 3
This is funny that Miguna is actually getting some attention herre. I will not dwell on his competence or lack thereof. But can someone please tell him to get that damn hat off. That hat irritates the hell out of me. I think that hat is suppossed to be for a matching African attire which should be understandable and acceptable t everyone. But this guy puts it on everytime even when in a sports coat or dress shirt. Hata kama ni signature yawa, get something else. so bwana Miguna can you please take that hat off, or someone please pass this message on to him. It is not cool at all. OK, his apologists can now eat me alive.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 10, 2009 1:24:58 GMT 3
man you arent that delicious! ;D
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Post by kamalet on Apr 13, 2009 13:45:22 GMT 3
AO Lets not confuse peer envy viewed from rose colored tribal lenses, personal animus over Miguna's National (top echelon ODM honcho Vs dais and toliet construction nyapara) and international accomplishements and authorship, versus 'legit' critism based on a tract record. Miguna has not held any elected office (YET - but, he will, take it from me). On the other hand, the sloth from othaya, nyeri, mt kenya - central province, the keguouya coward who cant face R, mano a mano, has a tract record worthy of critism. Politicalmaniac, I am sorry but you should look closely into yourself before imagining you can get at people through a silly twisting of words. Out of curiosity, have you ever written anything in jukwaa longer than three sentences that were not sucking up to Adongo or Job on the 'succulence' of their writing?
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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 13, 2009 20:37:11 GMT 3
Save your tantrums for what you do best. I will try not to engage in childish nonsense by nattering nabobs of tribalistic hegemony. Miguna is well known to some of my closest friends and relatives, including my MP, and I have met him yrs ago, and followed his career closely, his accomplishments are well known, he has authored hundreds of op-eds in Kenyas top papers and peer in legal reviewed journals. I dont know if he has a book or not. Although not a personal friend per se, we are ideological soulmates.
I havent heard that he supervised the construction of dais toilets yet. Thats perhaps a good thing best left to keguouya quislings like mwakere and maybe who?
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 13, 2009 21:21:59 GMT 3
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Post by man on Apr 13, 2009 22:25:58 GMT 3
That's fine what Miguna is doing, but please tell him to take off the damn hat.
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 13, 2009 22:59:01 GMT 3
That's fine what Miguna is doing, but please tell him to take off the damn hat. Obviously you have issues with Miguna's hat. That is fine. I just happen to be more interested in what the good soldier is doing in helping straighten up issues on how the GCG should be run, at least from the ODM perspective. If he can do it with a hat great. If he can do it without a hat, no problem. Heck I wouldn't care if he could do the job with no shirt or pants, but I guess that would be inappropriate to all. Miguna understands the team concept very well. He has terrific political instincts. He is going to work with all the various streams within the ODM to ensure the agenda they are preparing is acceptable, first of all to all of ODM. Miguna is also not a pushover. He is going to be fair, flexible and firm in dealing with his counterpart from PNU, Prof. Kivutha Kibwana. Actually they set up a very good agenda for Kilaguni I, that was accepted by all sides until the sharks woke up and trashed the whole thing thinking ODM will blink. No such luck. Let's wait and see what comes out of all these efforts. So far I think ODM has done a terrific job on this whole Kilaguni saga. Kenyans are now in a position to understand very clearly what the real problems are instead of all that clap trap about Raila wants more power etc. So far so good, hat or no hat. adongo
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Post by man on Apr 14, 2009 0:01:40 GMT 3
Adongo, In addition to passing the message to Miguna about his hat, please tell him that we are not conceeding anything this time from the PNU goons. The agenda should be maintained as is, or both teams include additional items on the agenda. We are simply not going to bend backwards again to these goons.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 14, 2009 9:09:38 GMT 3
Miguna is also not a pushover. He is going to be fair, flexible and firm in dealing with his counterpart from PNU, Prof. Kivutha Kibwana. Actually they set up a very good agenda for Kilaguni I, that was accepted by all sides until the sharks woke up and trashed the whole thing thinking ODM will blink. No such luck. adongo Adongo, The information I have about Kilaguni is that Miguna may actually be a push over or simply has no political instinct. It is true they had agreed an agenda with Kibwana, but it appears that some hardliners in ODM actually are the ones that kicked off changes to the original agenda leading to the introduction of another one by PNU - a fact colloborated in public by Wetangula and not denied by Ruto at their press conference soon after the disaster at Kilaguni! It is apparent that he did not have much of a say despite support from his PM when the hardliners decided to change the agenda and the PM and his foot soldier had to follow suit! Put in another way, there are those other people working outside of the secretariat that changed the game plan!
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Post by adongo23456 on Apr 14, 2009 15:20:31 GMT 3
Kamale
Either you have wrong information or you are spreading cheap propaganda. Either way I really don't care. phil posted here the whole sequence of events at Kilaguni and before. You can read it again. We all know what happened. Let's move on.
Can you guys ask Kibaki to at least stop hiding in his bedroom next time they hold a meeting. That could help. May be Lucy should come with him and drag him out of the room even if he is screaming and crying. We need the man to attend some meetings.
Thank you in advance.
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Post by kamalet on Apr 14, 2009 17:40:25 GMT 3
Kamale Either you have wrong information or you are spreading cheap propaganda. Either way I really don't care. phil posted here the whole sequence of events at Kilaguni and before. You can read it again. We all know what happened. Let's move on. Thank you in advance. Adongo, Even the media has attempted to give different versions of what happened at Kilaguni and you are of course liberty to believe whatever you want to even if the information is being collected from Prof. Anyang' Nyong'o or Uhuru Kenyatta who perhaps we should be strugglingto believe. There is information meant for public consumption which is not necessarily true! Perhaps a quick email to your friend Miguna would save you from the propaganda by Kamale or Phil!
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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 14, 2009 17:56:15 GMT 3
And who says MM has not been emailed yet? Porojo tupu
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Post by okhunyanye on Apr 17, 2009 3:20:40 GMT 3
Who will outsmart the other in the paper to be presented on mechanisms of appointments in government? Miguna Miguna or the former dean of UON's Parklands Campus?
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Post by politicalmaniac on Apr 17, 2009 7:20:35 GMT 3
Wow just look at Miguna! Mr No Drama!, He doesnt need to advertise what he is doing on behalf of the Nation, he lets his work, ahem, ...speak for itself. He is the cannon in ODMs big gun, rising to the mafia challenge! This can cause severe peer (love them rhyming words) bile green envy esp to the mafia bootlicker nyapara who are heavily involved in constructing choo's or is machoo or viyoo or toilets in the dais of rais (get the rhythm in the rhyme?) In Miguna I trust!
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