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Post by adongo23456 on May 12, 2009 23:06:06 GMT 3
This Zuma guy is turning out to be extremely serious. I like his National Planning Commission led by Trevor Manuel. It is the hands on type like the one President Obama has. Not like the crazy one we have in Kenya which meets once a year. The Obama Economic Council meet him every morning. It is work not some bull.shit talk. Zuma's is a long those lines. Very good idea. President Zuma has also brought prominent leaders of the South African Communist Party (SACP) to run important ministries. Those are some of the most brilliant folks often refused access to strategic state work because of their known ideological leanings. Nobody complained when they offered to die and died in large numbers for their country but they are often feared by status quo. I like what Zuma is doing so far, but we don't want to get carried away. Strategic, cool and calm. And alert. That is President Jacob Zuma so far. Great start. Anyhow here is Lindiwe Sisulu www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/597620/-/u694xd/-/ |
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Post by gulavi on May 12, 2009 23:42:14 GMT 3
I hopeZuma will now take a more Proactive roll on the African unity and participate with fire like Rwanda in the African hot spots, Darfur, Somali etc...for peace not like predecessor.
Ongalo Makokha
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Post by job on May 13, 2009 0:18:44 GMT 3
I agree, there should be radical shift in SA policy towards the rest of Africa. There's always been this misguided notion of 'sovereignty' even during outright crisis, whereby African countries and even the AU shy away from helping oppressed neighbours under the guise of 'non-interference in sovereign matters'.
That's how a million plus Tutsis were slaughtered in Rwanda as the rest of Africa and the world watched. SA must lead to reverse this.
SA must begin playing a proactive leadership role within Africa in matters such as anti-democratic actions by dictators who can't accept election losses, and also on genocide in Darfur and civil strife in Congo, North Uganda and such hotspots.
It can use diplomacy, sanctions and tough language that other nations can support. That can help Africa get rid of genocidiaries, dictators and election thieves.
Africa msut begin helping Africa. It calls for leadership guided by good Africa policies from countries like SA.
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Post by politicalmaniac on May 13, 2009 0:49:43 GMT 3
SAfrica under Mbeki has gone to the dogs just like us under the sloth ape tribalist. Mbeki couldnt have cared less.
I second the opinions on this thread.
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Post by gulavi on May 13, 2009 1:06:52 GMT 3
I See fire already. And And I Love it. Bwaha aha. Na iendele ibyo ibyo. But Moreno-Ocampo expressed satisfaction that Bashir would not be able to attempt Jacob Zuma's presidential inauguration in South Africa this weekend. Pretoria has warned Khartoum that the Sudanese leader could be arrested. www.nation.co.ke/News/africa/-/1066/597336/-/13nhlkwz/-/index.html |
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Post by johns on May 13, 2009 2:11:05 GMT 3
I had the privillege of meeting Zuma and Chris Hani in 1986 at a refugee camp, Dukwee in Botswana when they came to check on their boys (Umkhoto Wa Sizwee). The one who impressed me the most was Chris with his eloquence and focus. Little did i know that i was having a peep at the future president of SA.
The thing that has made me respect Zuma more is the composition of the cabinet he has put together. The man does not just talk about gender equality he implements it. He has over 50% women in his cabinet not like the duly elected thief who profess to give women representation but only uses them whenever it is convenient for him.
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Post by kenyamoja on May 14, 2009 1:47:24 GMT 3
The guy's past especially the alleged rape and corruption cases still bother me. It's a democracy however and we reap what we sow.
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Post by adongo23456 on May 14, 2009 2:36:28 GMT 3
The guy's past especially the alleged rape and corruption cases still bother me. It's a democracy however and we reap what we sow. Actually I had the same misgivings too, but I talked to a woman comrade of mine, a Kenyan who has worked and lived in South Africa for many years and she told me the situation was very fluid. As a woman who had worked with many South African women in SA itself she felt that many South African women even the militant and progressive ones would support Zuma for the presidency. Turns out she was right. So far I am impressed with what the man is doing, but it is a long journey. |
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Post by gulavi on May 15, 2009 0:05:26 GMT 3
Kenyamoja
It took time for one of my friends to convince me about the fella Zuma. I actually had Him written off, but Im still not 100% sure of the man, though lets give Him time, Apart from the sex and corruption scandle on Him, the rest is quite ok. What actually made me give him a chance is a Swedish documentary detailing Power struggles within ANC.
Thabo Mbeki is a Quiet Snake, A lot of south Africans within the ANC and outside the ANC gave very detailed shocking information on How Mbeki was very much in the Frontline of framing The fella Zuma with all the Rape and Corruption charges apparently framed and in the long run the judge called them what hey were , Political...
One thing I hope He will have to rectify\clarify though,is just the statement on AIDS\Shower thing.
Ongalo Makikha
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Post by Onyango Oloo on May 22, 2009 13:32:16 GMT 3
Lindiwe Sisulu, a liberation fighter in here own right, is married to a progressive Kenyan, the academic and veteran activist Prof. ROK Ajulu who hails from Uyoma. Ajulu, a contemporary and friend of James Orengo, was expelled from the University of Nairobi in the mid-seventies, studied in Eastern Europe before relocating to southern Africa where he was one of the founder members of the Communist Party of Lesotho.
Onyango Oloo
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Post by politicalmaniac on May 22, 2009 23:25:25 GMT 3
Lindiwe Sisulu, a liberation fighter in here own right, is married to a progressive Kenyan, the academic and veteran activist Prof. ROK Ajulu who hails from Uyoma. Ajulu, a contemporary and friend of James Orengo, was expelled from the University of Nairobi in the mid-seventies, studied in Eastern Europe before relocating to southern Africa where he was one of the founder members of the Communist Party of Lesotho. Onyango OlooThis helps me a lot. |
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Post by omundu on May 25, 2009 18:43:00 GMT 3
I am still not entirely convinced about Zuma but lets give him some time. He has actually started off quite well on some issues like setting up hotlines through which citizens can raise complaints partaining service delivery ( one of his election promises) and also setting up a new branch in the office of the presidency that co-ordinates all ministries and ensures that they are all on the same page with the ANC manifesto and election promises.
What worries me is some of the hooligans that surround him like Malema ( ANC youth league president), and some alliance partners. Some of the utterences they make in public are just plain silly and militant. It worries me that these same people are involved in decision making within the party's top organ.
Mbeki may have had his misgivings but it was horrendous, the way he was recalled by the NEC based on 'opinion' from a judge ( Nickolson) during his ruling on the Zuma matter. Initially Zuma asked for his 'day in court' based on the ' innocent until proved otherwise' principle. He later changed his stance to' the case should be thrown out citing political interference'.
Why didnt the NEC give Mbeki a chance to explain himself? they just rushed to recall him a day after the ruling. Needles to say, the High court later on reversed Nickolsons ruling citing lack of evidence and stating that it was mere opinion.
Later on, the public prosecutor withdraws the charges saying that Zuma's lawyers have a tape that shows Mbeki was involved. The public never got to see or hear the alleged tape.
There are still a lot of unanswered questions.
That said, he won the elections and now lets judge him on his presidency and i will be the first one here to say that he may turn out to be the best orezo SA has had to date and surprise many, me included.
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Post by johns on May 25, 2009 20:55:52 GMT 3
Kenyans are a funny lot, we have the temerity to see the specks in Zumas make and administration but fail to see logs embedded in Kibakis eyes and his thieving regime. We should be the last people to offer advice or critique what Zuma is doing or not doing. Let South Africans handle their own affairs while we continue as we are known for electing thieves and celebrating them in office. After all opinions of kenyans are not respected anymore anywhere as long as we continue to have Kibaki as our president.
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