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Post by tnk on May 27, 2009 19:13:30 GMT 3
Job/Adongo
That committee states that they did their computation and find them to be sound. Am just curious that they did not/have not published their computations/findings in the same open manner that MARS group has done to give it some more credibility.
I'll assume they are waiting to table the report in parliament for debate. Lets watch as events unfold, and hope that the Parliamentary Budget Committee is right otherwise it will make a complete mockery of parliaments valiant attempts to have inputs in the budget aka the contentious Fiscal Management Bill 2008 that Kibaki returned with ammendments
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Post by Mobimba on May 27, 2009 23:40:21 GMT 3
In this billion shilling typo debacle, heaping blame on UK is in fact giving him much undeserved credit. Doing so portrays a shrewd manipulative man of suave financial crimes knowledge. He poses none of those qualities. In fact, the man is a domineering figure of ultra incompetence. His natural faculties cannot conjure up the improprieties of let's say, a Bernard Madoff. Like he states, the man is indeed innocent. I believe him. I think he was placed in the finance ministry to act as a rubber stamp. All he requested was a late model S600 Mercedes Benz to shuttle him from nyama choma den to nyama choma den. Hiyo tuu. I dare anybody to provide evidence of UK's ability to read and understand a monthly Visa credit card statement….. let alone a country's annual budget.
Knowing the culture of how this country has been led in the past and how it is being run today, it is mostly true that most matters of the country's finances are surgically reviewed at SH before being presented elsewhere (like parliament). It is for this reason that the president is never surprised at how badly financially the country is doing. If there were any 'typos', it is highly likely they were approved at SH.
And we know Kibaki is a world renowned economist.
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Post by kenyamoja on May 28, 2009 0:01:25 GMT 3
Job/Adongo That committee states that they did their computation and find them to be sound. Am just curious that they did not/have not published their computations/findings in the same open manner that MARS group has done to give it some more credibility. I'll assume they are waiting to table the report in parliament for debate. Lets watch as events unfold, and hope that the Parliamentary Budget Committee is right otherwise it will make a complete mockery of parliaments valiant attempts to have inputs in the budget aka the contentious Fiscal Management Bill 2008 that Kibaki returned with ammendments I have a feeling that these guys did not do any homework (pretty sure they did not even go through the numbers) before their presser. Such is my little faith in these committees.
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Post by adongo23456 on May 28, 2009 2:40:18 GMT 3
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Post by mzee on May 28, 2009 10:15:59 GMT 3
In this billion shilling typo debacle, heaping blame on UK is in fact giving him much undeserved credit. Doing so portrays a shrewd manipulative man of suave financial crimes knowledge. He poses none of those qualities. In fact, the man is a domineering figure of ultra incompetence. His natural faculties cannot conjure up the improprieties of let's say, a Bernard Madoff. Like he states, the man is indeed innocent. I believe him. I think he was placed in the finance ministry to act as a rubber stamp. All he requested was a late model S600 Mercedes Benz to shuttle him from nyama choma den to nyama choma den. Hiyo tuu. I dare anybody to provide evidence of UK's ability to read and understand a monthly Visa credit card statement….. let alone a country's annual budget. Knowing the culture of how this country has been led in the past and how it is being run today, it is mostly true that most matters of the country's finances are surgically reviewed at SH before being presented elsewhere (like parliament). It is for this reason that the president is never surprised at how badly financially the country is doing. If there were any 'typos', it is highly likely they were approved at SH. And we know Kibaki is a world renowned economist. Lincoln, I think that this thief from kiambu tried to steal but due to his kifua ways he was caught red handed. You see, I think that other finance ministers before Uhuru have been doing the exact same thing and getting away with it. As we all know the MP´s are now too embarrassed to talk about the issue. Not because Uhuru is innocent but because Kenyans can now see that they are not up to the task of being peoples watchmen. Just as Uhuru their incompetence speaks loud. The thief from Kiambu has actually counted on this very fact and had it not been for Mwalimu Mati (my God bless him) we could not have known what hit us and Uhuru could have pocketed a cool 10 billion shillings. Now some are still saying that Mati is wrong just as they said the first time he caught Uhuru. The MP´should be reeling with shame given that they were unable to see simple mistakes in the budget. The thief from Kiambu just like the thief from Othaya thought that their party was on until Mati spoiled it. The fact that Uhuru openly and proudly says that he will continue making a "difference" shows that the slumbering man at state house has his back. Does this damage Uhuru`s presidential ambitions. Not in central province, not if the people in the province continue voting like sheep for "one of their own". He is one of "their own" and they will vote for him regardless. But nationally he might be soiled goods that nobody wants to touch.
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Post by politicalmaniac on May 28, 2009 20:06:00 GMT 3
AO, Kumbe the auditing lies with the PM? I thought it was the MP´s who were to do it in some parliamentary committee. Sawa basi lets wait and see what the PM says when he comes back to Kenya. But before the PM does anything,where is Kibaki in all this?? Should he not acts? He he the losth ape from othaya is probably massaging karuci's jiggered feet, counting down days to when he will exit SH, i.e if his dark heart will still be circulating blood. What an epic failure the humanoid from nyeri is. And for those die hard PNU supporters, if jomo jnr ugly mug was found just to be incompetent and not a thief, the explanation would have to be clear and bear out that fact. Jomo jnr has said it was an error, he just did not catch it. Si basi aresign? How can he be that such an incompetent nincompoop from kiambu juja? Yeye ni mwizi tuu, he should also tell us how he came into possession of huge tracts of land, ama that is also a computational error. Hawa majambazi wako na gene ya uwizi. Wamezaliwa hivyo hivyo - stealing and killing/murder runs in the family. Ask jomo snr.
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Post by mzee on May 28, 2009 21:51:50 GMT 3
AO, Kumbe the auditing lies with the PM? I thought it was the MP´s who were to do it in some parliamentary committee. Sawa basi lets wait and see what the PM says when he comes back to Kenya. But before the PM does anything,where is Kibaki in all this?? Should he not acts? He he the losth ape from othaya is probably massaging karuci's jiggered feet, counting down days to when he will exit SH, i.e if his dark heart will still be circulating blood. What an epic failure the humanoid from nyeri is. And for those die hard PNU supporters, if jomo jnr ugly mug was found just to be incompetent and not a thief, the explanation would have to be clear and bear out that fact. Jomo jnr has said it was an error, he just did not catch it. Si basi aresign? How can he be that such an incompetent nincompoop from kiambu juja? Yeye ni mwizi tuu, he should also tell us how he came into possession of huge tracts of land, ama that is also a computational error. |
Hawa majambazi wako na gene ya uwizi. Wamezaliwa hivyo hivyo - stealing and killing/murder runs in the family. Ask jomo snr. PoliManiac,Like father like son. The father made kikuyus homeless and the son is now to robbing the whole country. Kweli its in the genes. Uwazi runs deeper than the naked eye can see.
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Post by job on May 29, 2009 17:22:52 GMT 3
Response to a Statement by 4 Members of the Budget Committee of Parliament
May 27th, 2009 by Mars Group Kenya
The Kenya Treasury has yet to issue a statement on our Memorandum, but today’s Statement by 4 Members of the Budget Committee is noted.
That they have so quickly read, analysed and reported on a Supplementary Budget is also noteworthy, and invites no further comment.
However, and very unfortunately, the Statement does not address the problem we have with the Supplementary Budget approved by Parliament on May 20th 2009. That problem is succinctly detailed in our Memorandum to the Budget Committee of May 24th 2009.
To reach the conclusions we reached Mars Group analysed over 26,000 budget line items - line-by-line - and prepared detailed spreadsheets, some of which have been submitted to both Committee and Treasury officials.
The reconciliation conducted by the Budget Office of Parliament dwelt on summaries, at Vote Level, produced by Treasury and not the 26,000 + budget line items which Mars Group Kenya has scrutinised and reported on.
By accepting this cursory approach, the Budget Committee members who released the statement are perpetuating the error complained of and actually sweeping a serious issue under the carpet.
They are also disregarding valuable information that can assist them in the forthcoming Independent Forensic Audit.
The Supplementary Budget remains as erroneous and as full of discrepancies as its earlier version.
In our humble opinion, and as private citizens, the erroneous estimates can only be corrected by the Independent Forensic Audit, and we reiterate our earlier requests to the Budget Committee namely:
1. The Independent Forensic Audit as recommended by the Joint Committee Report should be empanelled to commence its work immediately and should complete its report ahead of the National Budget 2009-10, in order to restore public confidence in the budget books of the Kenyan Ministry of Finance
2. The Independent Forensic Audit should commence its enquiry with the approved Supplementary Budget of 2009.
This is the challenge our Members of Parliament have to deliver.
Only then can public confidence be restored in the Treasury and the documents it has been tabling in Parliament to obtain approval of expenditure and taxation.
We stand by our work and are ready and willing to present it to the Independent Forensic Audit as soon as it is empanelled. In any event our information is already widely available on the internet and particularly at our Government Portal
We applaud the Minister for actions we understand he is taking to better resolve what is not an impossible problem to fix. We expect Parliamentarians to do their duty by those they represent, correct this grave mistake, Leave politics out of this and deliver Agenda 4 of the National Accord, which apart from making life bearable for Kenyans also comprehensively deals with corruption.
Accountability is here and it is here to stay because this is what the Citizens of this great country want – Democracy and Accountability!
Campaign as Kenyans to Save your Shillings for Agenda 4!
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Post by politicalmaniac on May 29, 2009 19:21:14 GMT 3
he he Job This is indeed very satisfying, that the mt kenya mafia from cetral is being made to sweat and play defense as they attempt to steal and then blame computational errors. They are being exposed! Let Kenyans read their play book and see just how neferious these thieves, the mafia from mt kenya area, are as inept as they are ruthless, their kleptomania knows no end.! They cant govern! What have they to show for their stewardship of the economy? Nothing! Nothing but death despair and destruction! Its like we are in the early 1900, interms of standard of living. Infact any gains that have been made were made INSPITE of the mafia from mt kenya, central province. I hear electricity imefika kwetu but that was done after the thug Mr 'ngo srow' was roughed - verbally, up by MPs in his office after he tried to shift the line to Wetangula constituency, which had gotten its share. He wanted to punish ODM zones. Shenzi type kumbaff.
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Post by adongo23456 on Jun 3, 2009 3:41:50 GMT 3
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Post by politicalmaniac on Jun 3, 2009 18:29:25 GMT 3
Ha ha I was on the phone with my MP discussing how I am going to assist some mwana nchi, emigrate and he brought up the same point adressed in the link, have they been stealing right under our collective noses? Is that why the Min Of Finance, AND other top honchos in that Min, is the preserve of Gema MPs, EXCLUSIVELY?
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