A RESPONSE TO A KENYAN SPY MASTER IN CYBER SPACE

[miguna]

A response to a Kenyan Spy Master Imbedded in Cyberspace

Friends,

I had intended to respond to some of the issues Kamau, our imbedded Spy Master, has raised; not because I thought that he or the other readers may not know the truth about these matters – it is simply to set the record straight.

As usual, I believe that Mr. Spy Master asked rhetorical questions in order to be sarcastic. Whereas I have chosen in the past (and will continue) to ignore and not dignify the most personalized, tribalistic and parochial “challenges” in this or other fora [since these cannot be dignified by a response], some of us have learnt over the years that the best and most potent vaccination (and treatment) against (or of) abuse, parochial sarcasm, tribalism and the closed mind mentality are FACTS and the indomitable TRUTH.

Kenyatta was fortunate in the sense that he sat on Kenyans when I was still very young. By the time he died, I was just completing my primary school, and hence, was unable to oppose him in any meaningful way. However, since I reached the age of majority, I have never ever kept quiet in the face of state and government dictatorship, oppression and domination. I had fought the Moi administration and am now fighting the Kibaki one consistently without remission. I have never engaged in the struggles because of the ethnicity of the oppressors. Neither have I been in these struggles for personal gain. Most people know that one stands better chances of “becoming comfortable” if one is a sycophant rather than an opponent. One only needs to conduct a comparative analysis of Kivutha Kibwana’s, Kiraitu Murungi’s, Koigi wa Wamwere’s and Mukhisa Kituyi’s fortunes with their collective states prior to December 2002 in order to fully appreciate what I am talking about.

The following response is not given in any particular order. However, it attempts to comprehensively address ALL the questions Kamau has raised and that I feel are deserving of my attention.

My recent articles on the perceived involvement of the Kibaki administration in the runaway corruption were mainly aimed at making the following arguments:

• That the entire Kibaki administration, including the president himself and Aaron Ringera, should either resign or be forced out of power since they have lost moral authority to govern by virtue of their credibly reported involvements in the stated scams.

• The evidence - both circumstantial and hard evidence – demonstrates that the president, his personal secretary, several senior government ministers and officials, were involved in the scams. Circumstantial evidence relate to the untested conversations Githongo has reported. However, we have been told of hard evidence by the government itself in terms of phony contracts actually signed with phantom companies; billions paid out to these phantoms and hundreds of millions purportedly received from the same phantoms and “confirmed” by non other than the Finance Minister, David Mwiraria. I was in Kenya when Mr. Mwiraria attended a TV interview with Luis Otieno and produced what he claimed was an original receipt of the money refunded by the same phantoms. He had then proceeded to tear off the bottom part of the document and handed Mr. Otieno the upper portion, which was then shown to viewers. Though not very clear from where I sat, it was unmistakable that there are indeed some paper trails, which any credible investigators and prosecutors can use in attempting to put the culprits in jail. Even Sir Edward Clay and numerous newspaper “sources” are said to have in their possessions adequate “evidence” in support of criminal charges and proper prosecutions. These needed to occur yesterday.

• Even those skeptical about the reliability and credibility of the evidence available so far should not jump in and proclaim the alleged culprits innocent. The reasonable response should be to wait and see how the prosecutions are conducted, what evidence gets adduced and whether, in fact, the alleged perpetrators end up acquitted or convicted.

• There is more than enough evidence to prosecute the alleged perpetrators. And there is certainly enough evidence and reasons for the current government to either resign or be removed from power. Whereas charges have to be proved beyond any reasonable doubt in criminal trials, the standard of proof in a civil case is “the balance of probabilities.” In politics, the threshold is quiet low – it is simply the “public perception.” One has to be a resident of the outer space not to realize the perception of Kenyans of this Kibaki government. The government has zero credibility. Under these circumstances, the only honourable option left for the government is to resign and to seek fresh mandate. Either that or it must be forced out.

• An accused person obviously has to be presumed innocent until proven guilty by a competent and independent court through a fair trial. However, the presumption of innocence does not disentitle those with evidence to bring them forward and to assert the guilt of those charged. All we are asking for is that those who have been accused of wrongdoing not be the same ones “investigating”, “deciding on when or who to charge” and “rendering judgment on themselves.” That would be a mockery of the judicial system. We have experienced too many mockeries to accept this one.

• Aaron Ringera and/KACC cannot properly investigate and be involved in the prosecutions of the main culprits. First, Ringera was/is a law partner of one of the accused, Kiraitu Murungi. There is a reasonable perception of bias in favour of Kiraitu and the other senior members of this government. As well, there is an obvious conflicts of interest situation involved in this case. Second, all the principal actors in this massive fraud were instrumental in and heavily lobbied for Ringera’s controversial hiring. Many believe that Ringera was hired in anticipation of what we are facing right now; that is, to use his position, power and office to “cover-up” the corruption mess and protect those that appointed him. And third, Ringera has not explained to Kenyans how he thinks he will be able to perform his duties unaffected and unfettered by those involved. Moreover, Githongo has pointedly accused Ringera of having been part of the schemers and those hell-bent on a cover-up. How then can any reasonable person expect him or the KACC to be able to unravel this mess?

• Ringera’s and KACC’s involvement or continued involvement would certainly undermine justice and bring the administration of justice (if we have any) into disrepute. The Kenyan public has no confidence in his ability or that of the KACC’s to properly investigate and bring those involved to justice. Justice delayed is justice denied (even to the accused).

• Kibaki’s personal/private secretary-cum-money-man, Alfred Getonga, allegedly co-ordinated the massive fraud on behalf of powerful figures in the administration. Getonga’s ultimate boss and the only person he is answerable to is the president. Githongo has credibly provided us with detailed reports of actual conversations between all the major players and him. This is direct evidence. Those interested can test it through cross-examination. But to suggest that it is hearsay and that it has absolutely no value is not just being legally wrong, it is also immoral. Neither Kibaki nor Getonga has responded to the allegations – leaving the allegations to stand. By the way, neither Getonga nor Kibaki are above the law. Kibaki was sworn into office to uphold and protect the law. The chief law enforcer cannot also be its chief breaker. Something is seriously wrong in a society where those claiming to be in the know flagrantly protect law breakers. Kenyans had said a resounding NO to the era of impunity. They cannot accept this degenerate and primitive tendency to rear its ugly head again. There are some Kenyans who wrongly believe that a sitting president cannot or should not be questioned or challenged. Those still believing in this 19th century idea of leadership are enemies of our collective fight for true and fundamental democracy, freedoms and the rule of law. The proponents of an imperial presidency are a retrogressive force that Kenyans need to cleanse themselves of.

• Since the Kibaki presidency has looted more than Sh70 billion in the past two years, it is wrong for the World Bank to “loan” the same thieves money purportedly to “fight graft.” My argument is that these unpunished thieves will gobble down the “loan” in the same manner they spirited away the Sh70 billions. Obviously, some people still believe that the Kibaki thieves are entitled to their loot and that those questioning and challenging them like me are just minor irritants. Mr. Spy Master, those are your personal opinions.

Yes, I do recall the sensational scramble over drug proceeds just prior to the Moi departure. However, the primary reason why the dirty money “disappeared” into the deep holes within the centres of power was not because of any lack of anti-drug trafficking or an absence of effective money laundering legislation or protocols. Kenya, like most countries around the world, is a signatory to these international protocols. The dirty money was actually laundered by those in power because of the runaway institutional and personal corruptions in Kenya. The law enforcement institutions (regular police, CID and NSI), the judiciary, the executive and the legal fraternity are so thoroughly corrupt that rather than trying to catch and punish the drug dealers, looters and money launders, they conspired to protect the perpetrators and later shamelessly divide the loot amongst themselves. Even the best legislation cannot and could not protect Kenyans from these creeps. We need strong functioning institutions, good legislations and more importantly we need and deserve good, untainted, ethical and incorruptible leadership.

Kenyan lawyers have frequently peddled a dangerous myth that a lawyer’s trust account is not subject to scrutiny. This is a fallacy. A lawyer’s trust account is subject to the Law Society’s “supervision” and scrutiny. Each year, a lawyer must file detailed reports and produce evidence of all transactions over their trust account. Certainly, a lawyer’s trust account is not beyond the arm of the law. All one needs is a court order to be able to compel the production of a lawyer’s trust account, including the names of all clients the accounts are held for. If any lawyer refuses to comply, he or she can be suspended, disbarred and in the case of money laundering or fraud, prosecuted. And am astounded that some so-called “prominent Kenyan lawyers” have been the chief peddlers of this dangerous myth.

However, you were trying, again, to change the topic by this Moi era example. No one denies that there was grand corruption, drug trafficking and money laundering during Moi’s reign. However, what I was talking about was this Kibaki regime and all its rot. Can we, for once, deal with Kibaki without dragging Moi’s name into each and every issue? I am more than happy to engage you on Moi or any topic of your choice and at any time. But I also find it curious that for a person who made his first millions under Moi, and who campaigned tooth and nail for the Uhuru Project, you are now trying to appear like a Moi critic. When and why did the leopard change its spots? Could it be that some of us are simply unmitigated opportunists?

Kenya, like most countries, is a signatory to all international anti-drug trafficking and anti-money laundering protocols. The moneys my articles were talking about were remitted or received in Kenya and Switzerland – both signatories of the same legal instruments you were referring to. The third country where the phantom company was allegedly registered – the United Kingdom – is one of the strongest voices against the sloth and rot in our country. It, too, is a signatory. The massive drug-overhauls we have seen since Kibaki’s enthronement were shipped mainly between Kenya and the Netherlands. Press reports (and credible statements from the former Director of Public Prosecutions, Philip Murgor), indicate that the Netherlands provided Kenya with a detailed list of all suspected drug traffickers (including their real names, addresses and telephone numbers), the evidence that could have been used to prosecute them as well as a standing offer to assist in the investigations and prosecutions. However, Kenya not only refused to cooperate with the Netherlands, the government also withheld the evidence provided by the Netherlands from its own Director of Public Prosecutions. Moreover, Mr. Murgor has been quoted as stating that Kenya has even refused to ask for the extradition of key witnesses from the Netherlands in order for them to give evidence in the collapsed drug case. In addition, the Solicitor General apparently interfered with the DPP’s office and prevented a senior state counsel chosen by the DPP to travel to the Netherlands in order to interview key witnesses and liaise with the Netherlands authorities – choosing instead to send “others” not approved by the DPP. Yet, ironically, these drug cases have been recently dismissed by the Kenyan courts for lack of evidence! The question that demands to be asked is: Who gained from these collapsed cases? Why would any government risk its reputation by acting in the suspicious manners described above? Do you now realize why we see the executive involvement in all of these?

You could do us a favour and publish the JURISDICTIONS where the drug proceeds were sent from. And while doing that, we would appreciate it very much if you could also provide us with detailed information on your sources. That way, you may assist in the ongoing investigations. As you must be aware, there are no limitation periods for criminal offences that have not been disposed of by a competent court of law. These drug trafficking, money laundering and looting cases have never been tried and properly disposed of. In any event, new evidence is always welcome and could lead to further action. We promise that we will try our best once you do as required.

And lastly Mr. Spy Master, have you ever heard of the International Police (Interpol)? Well, if you have (which I suspect is the case), can you explain to us why Kenya has never sought the assistance of the Interpol to locate, arrest and extradite all the perpetrators of the massive lootings, scams, drug running and money launderings? Or maybe you want us to believe that there are jurisdictions where the Interpol cannot operate! That, like your other sarcastic questions, would be news to our ears.

Yours sincerely,

MIGUNA MIGUNA
A patriotic Kenyan looking for answers and accountability
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The author is a Barrister & Solicitor in Toronto, Canada

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miguna said:

Kenyatta was fortunate in the sense that he sat on Kenyans when I was still very young. By the time he died, I was just completing my primary school, and hence, was unable to oppose him in any meaningful way.

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Speaks for itself.

*Rolling on the floor laughing, tears in my eyes*

Alexander

[miguna]

Is Kenya set to acquire pariah status?
By SUNDAY TIMES TEAM

Western nations and some countries in Asia are set to impose targeted sanctions on President Mwai Kibaki, Vice President Moody Awori and key ministers named in the John Githongo Anglo Leasing dossier.

This is one of the major ripple effects on the former PS' revelations, even as the government attempts a massive misinformation campaign. Lawyers now warn that Kibaki's unwillingness to subject himself, Awori and ministers Kiraitu Murungi, David Mwiraria and Head of Civil Service Francis Muthaura to an independent probe will cool contacts with multilateral donors, breed impunity and dent Kenya's credentials as an emerging democracy committed to the rule of law.

Fears are also growing that, faced with sustained local and international pressure, functionaries within the regime will prescribe a crackdown on political opponents and the independent press.

Diplomats in Nairobi have disclosed these nations are considering imposing travel sanctions and diplomatic restrictions similar to those imposed on Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe and his allies and former ministers Dr Chris Murungaru and Nicholas Biwott who are barred from entering Europe and the USA. Their assets are also targeted where evidence of criminal accumulation and money laundering is unearthed.

"You will see less and less of President Mwai Kibaki and his ministers in Washington and Europe until the corruption allegations against them are solved.There is credible cause to believe this government has outlived its commitment to fight corruption and other major crimes. Its leadership has benefited from corruption that is driving Kenya towards failed status,"says a diplomat.

But the reasons for the sanctions go beyond the Githongo dossier and include what these nations consider to be Kenya's rising stature as a haven for international trade, human trafficking, money laundering and illegal fund-raising.

According to a Nairobi based diplomat from South East, each country has its own reasons for falling out with Nairobi and the Kibaki regime. But they are united in the belief that the Anglo Leasing conspiracy in which the Head of State, Awori and key ministers are named for conspiring to cover up a KSh16 billion swindle, creating a slush fund supported by international crooks to finance political campaigns are connected with the country's rising credential as a major drug trade route with the wilful support of the Office of the President and the presidential entourage.

"One of the ministers (an ally of the President's) named in the dossier has been investigated by Indian police on suspicion of drug trafficking in South Asia.He also visited Colombia to meet known drug criminals. He has also visited Lahore in Pakistan. It was a suspect visit," says the same diplomat.


Meanwhile, the US in particular is increasingly concerned by the rising ties between Nairobi and China and the influence the Asian giant is imposing in the region with Nairobi's support. China's secret service, according to these reports, has enhanced its presence in Kenya and the region to bolster Beijing's rising stature in Sudan where it owns oil fields and further check waning US and British influence on the continent.
A diplomat from a European nation summarised Western frustration thus: "You cannot continue dealing with a government in which the presidential entourage concern themselves with international crime endlessly. Something ought to be done. These people will not welcome in the West.The president should have risen to the occasion. He has not. Instead he has directly and indirectly allowed corruption and threats to justice to go on unpunished. In some cases his aides have sat in meetings discussing crime which hurts our interests."

Unknown to most Kenyans Washington, London and other capitals in Europe, Asia and Latin America are tightening the noose on the Kibaki administration and will apply diplomatic pressure to force regime change.

Stung by the full extent of the danger lurking in Kibaki's yard, the government has been reacting in panic. In public it has acted tough, calling for meetings to discuss the dossier, attacked its author, the Press and Nairobi diplomats. In private however Foreign Affairs minister Raphael Tuju has deployed emissaries to reach out to Western capitals to beseech them for a fresh start.

Scandalised by the dwindling fortunes with the West, Tuju's ministry is also stepping up a diplomatic offensive in the Middle East, hosting their ambassadors in Nairobi to meetings. In November five diplomats were sent to Libya to reopen Kenya's moribund embassy in Tripoli, inactive despite the reopening of diplomatic links five six years ago. A high commissioner, who has already been named is expected in Tripoli by April.

At the close of the week the government was plotting a conspiracy to douse the dossier by criminalising and discrediting its author. Consultants have been hired to lead a misinformation campaign on the Anglo Leasing affair to salvage Kibaki's flagging leadership.

They have advised the President to release the Goldenberg Inquiry report and a doctored account on Anglo Leasing to reduce the impact of the Githongo revelations.

But as the government counter offensive began to show signs of success with a radio station being knocked of the air on Friday evening and the pro-government Press releasing new information on Goldenberg fresh reports indicated that Kibaki was hounded out of the AU summit in Khartoum by anxious diplomats and international Press.

[miguna]

Resign, Raila tells Kibaki
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By Ochieng’ Oreyo

Lang’ata Member of Parliament Raila Odinga yesterday asked President Mwai Kibaki to resign over Anglo Leasing scandal since his aides and senior government officials, who also attempted to block investigations, perpetrated it.

Raila, who also announced that the Orange Democratic Movement would meet in Mombasa next week to plan for the 2007 General Election, also asked ministers who have been implicated in the scandal to resign.

Alternatively, he said, the President should dissolve the Cabinet.

He argued that since Kibaki’s personal assistant, Alfred Getonga, was one of the perpetrators while the Secretary to the Cabinet, Francis Muthaura, was part of the clique that attempted to cover up, it will be difficult to take the President’s promise for action seriously unless perpetrators are prosecuted.

"If Kibaki means business, let the perpetrators be taken to court on Monday," he said. The LDP leader said there was nothing the President was waiting for since former Ethics Permanent Secretary, John Githongo, submitted the dossier to him.

He wondered why two Permanent Secretaries sacked last year over the scandal had not been prosecuted.

He predicted that little would come out of the Anglo Leasing cases now in court.

He accused the Government of doublespeak in the fight against corruption, saying officials were denying knowledge of the dossier when at the same time they gave assurances that looters would be punished.

Raila was speaking at Kibera’s Olympic Primary School during a medical camp. The camp, sponsored by Safaricom, was organised by the Diabetes Management Information Centre under the Ministry of Health.

He scoffed at the ability of the Kenya Anti-Corruption Commission to handle Anglo Leasing.

"How can Aaron Ringera probe those who appointed him? A dog can have one million teeth, but it can never catch a lion," he said, adding that Kacc lacked capacity to either investigate or arrest the suspects.

Wondering why those implicated were still holding public positions, he pointed out that former UK Home Secretary, David Blunkett, resigned for hastening a work permit application for a relative of his former lover.

"What is that compared to a minister who admits signing the payments to a phantom company?" Raila posed.

He said attempts at covering up the matter had been evident in the way ministers handled the issue in Parliament.

He said that, while he was minister, the matter came up at a special Cabinet meeting, where the President was asked to dismiss tainted ministers but he did not.

He said the Cabinet must not be tied to collective responsibility over things that were not in the public interest.

He described as fickle Government defense that Kanu initiated the project. "What business did the Kibaki Government have continuing with it?"

He said it was time Kenyans told the Government to go home. He repeated his earlier warning that, unless the President recalled Parliament by February 14, MPs would start parliamentary business on their own.

Parliament, he said, is the only institution that can deal with Anglo Leasing.

"I feel betrayed that we promised Kenyans a phantom. I apologise to Kenyans for what has become of Narc," he said. The Lang’ata MP said "greedy people who decided to take every limb of the Narc catch" killed the Rainbow dream.

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miguna said:

Consultants have been hired to lead a misinformation campaign...

"Money has been poured to finish me"... yawn.

Projection at work. Such expressions easily betray the author(s). Many snippets of truth, but woven into a propaganda piece. Cheap. Other authors of the Kenya Times have done better.

Alexander

[miguna]

The noose tightens...
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Sunday January 29, 2006
President Kibaki patron of the corrupt?
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By Dennis Onyango
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...Former ministers shared with The Sunday Standard the specific incidents, which convinced them that President Kibaki is privy to the corruption engulfing the country.

For former Planning minister Prof Anyang’ Nyong’o, the signal that State House was in bed with the corrupt came in 2003 when his ministry released a report by the Efficiency Monitoring Unit (EMU) detailing how former National Aids Control Council director Dr Margaret Gachara earned more than her worth at the institution.

Dr Gachara was sent on leave, investigated, prosecuted and eventually jailed. But head of civil service Francis Muthaura immediately transferred Emu from Planning to the Office of the President.

"Immediately we unearthed Gachara, Emu was transferred to OP. The OP was the nerve centre of the deals Emu was investigating. When Muthaura transferred Emu to OP, he was asking the OP to investigate itself. Muthaura gets his brief from the President. So the President knew what was going on," Nyong’o said.

Gachara was later released alongside others on presidential clemency.

Nyong’o, like a number of his colleagues, believed Kibaki’s friends used to meet him to discuss issues that should have been handled by the Cabinet.

Various former ministers talked of the day privatisation of Telkom Kenya was dropped from the agenda of a Cabinet meeting without notice or explanation.

Late last year, the Cabinet committee looking into the privitasation was to present its findings before the Cabinet. Letters went out with the privatisation being key on the agenda. But when the meeting convened, Telkom was not on the revised agenda, and no explanation was given.

"We always knew a clique of the President’s friends wanted to buy Telkom but were still looking for money." In his last letter to the President, Githongo portrays the Head of State as the patron of the group that hatched and executed the Anglo Leasing scandal, with the ministers mentioned being his errand boys.

And interviews with the President’s former ministers and former civil servants reveal a shared feeling that the suspects in Anglo Leasing and other scandals had the President’s backing, hence did not worry about being exposed.

Rather than work to expose corruption, the Cabinet sub-committee was paralysed by fear of then Roads minister Raila Odinga, which was shared by President’s associates.

"Kiraitu Murungi admitted that his greatest fear was that Raila Odinga knew exactly who was behind Anglo Leasing and would use it to paint the Kibaki Government as corrupt… something he would never recover from," Githongo says.

This letter, together with the events of the last three years, which The Sunday Standard gathered from Kibaki’s former ministers, indicates that President Kibaki never took the battle against corruption seriously. That lapse in the Cabinet committee on corruption is blamed on Kiraitu Murungi.

In the November 22, 2005 letter, Githongo has the President telling him to go easy on suspects.

"Your Excellency, we met and discussed the issues at length. We by now had a clear idea of who was behind the Anglo Leasing deals from all the circumstantial evidence the interrogators had obtained and Kiraitu’s admissions. We acknowledge, your Excellency, who the key players in the scam were. At the same time, sir, you advised me not to hand over the Magari and Mwaliko files to the AG for prosecutions just yet and delay handing over the Infotalent file to Kacc," Githongo writes to Kibaki.

At the end of this letter, Githongo says two ministers told him that the security related projects that were the subject of controversy, were all along intended as a source of political funds.

"Kiraitu and Murungaru demonstrated no concern that I would report this matter back to His Excellency the President. The evidence had been building up but with this final approach, they let their guard down. By coming to me knowing full well I had direct access to the President meant they were not at all worried that I would report them to the President.

"Hon Murungaru pointed out that His Excellency the President had once been minister of Finance and understood how these things were done."

Interviews with former ministers on what transpired in Cabinet as the Anglo Leasing scandal swirled confirm Githongo’s fears that the President backed the suspects.

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You are right Miguna. The noose tightens. Give a fool a rope...

But as to the previous regurgitation, let me try to resume it as briefly and succinctly as feasible...

www.eastandard.net/hm_news/news.php?articleid=35676

There. That was easy.

Alexander

[miguna]

Sunday, January 29, 2006


Dissolve the Government, Raila demands

Story by PATRICK NZIOKA
Publication Date: 01/29/2006

Raila Odinga
Langata MP Raila Odinga yesterday asked President Kibaki to dissolve his Government and resign over the Anglo Leasing scandal......

Although he was privy to all the information on those who were involved, the President had done nothing because those implicated were close members of his cabinet, Mr Odinga said.

The former Roads and Public Works minister scoffed at the President's threat on Friday that those who steal from the public would be jailed.

The threat, he said, could not be carried out because such people surrounded the President. Mr Odinga dismissed the case already in court where several permanent secretaries have been charged as a public relations exercise.

"All those cases have been consigned to a cold freeze and they will stay in that cold freeze until Jesus comes back," the MP said .
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He (the President) has the dossier that John Githongo gave him last year where senior Cabinet members as well as his personal assistant have been implicated yet nothing has been done. If he means business let them be taken to court on Monday because he has all the information he needs," said the legislator.

Mr Odinga said there had been attempts to cover up the issue right from the beginning. At first the Government denied in Parliament that the scandal did not happen only for it to turn around and admit money had been paid to a non-existent company. Grave matter Later, he said, a Cabinet minister claimed that Anglo Leasing was a "scandal that never was" since all the money paid out had been returned.

Said Mr Odinga: "We are dealing with a grave matter indeed. It is not a laughing matter. We are talking about an elaborate corruption network which has been used to loot billions of shillings of taxpayers money."

Mr Odinga dismissed claims by those in Government that the scandal commenced during the Kanu era, saying it was no defence because two wrongs do not make a right.

The fact that the present Government continued pushing the issue rather than stop it was enough evidence they were guilty. For the second time, the MP who was a key campaigner for President Kibaki in the last elections, apologised to Kenyans for helping bring in the present Government.

"I apologise to Kenyans for what the Narc regime has become. This is definitely not the kind of Government we promised to run during the campaigns.This is not want we promised the people of Kenya. I am not responsible for it," he said. .....

The Langata MP called on those who have betrayed the Narc dream to resign, giving the example of a British minister for education who recently quit to take responsibility for wrong decisions.
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The MP dismissed calls for Mr Githongo to come and present his evidence to Justice Aaron Ringera's Kenya Anti-Corruption Commission (KACC), saying Mr Ringera was reported telling Mr Githongo that his security could not be guaranteed.

It was difficult for Mr Ringera to investigate people whom he claimed played an important role in his appointment, said Mr Odinga.

"It's one thing for Ringera to say he has teeth to fight corruption, how can he investigate the people who appointed him. Parliament was bribed to appoint Ringera. A dog can have a thousand teeth but cannot cannot be sent to catch a lion. Ringera does not have the capacity to investigate let alone taking action against these people," he said.

The MP took issue with reports in the media about the Goldenberg scandal, saying it was part of a plan to divert attention from the Anglo Leasing.

Mr Odinga repeated the demand that Parliament be recalled on February 14 to deal with Anglo Leasing.

"Bunge (Parliament) will meet on that date and deal with the issue because you cannot expect the criminals to preside over their own case. You cannot expect those charged with serious cases like this to allow Parliament to meet it must meet whether they like it or not".

Meanwhile, Mr Odinga has promised that the ODM will field a single presidential candidate in the 2007 General Election. He insisted that grudge between those in ODM who had expressed their desire to run for the presidency.

The movement will converge in Mombasa next weekend to work out modalities of selecting its candidates for all elective posts right from the presidency down to the civic seats.

Kanu, a key member of the ODM, on Friday repeated that it will be fielding it's own presidential candidate.

[miguna]

Kibaki & his team are iredeemable........below is just one reason why we say "Kibaki must go!"
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From the Sunday Nation:

"Incidentally, the Kibaki Government, sacked Mr Murgor, while he was working on a case related to Anglo-Leasing and replaced him with the man who had been the defence counsel in the case." ---------------------------------------

This should make some people happy....

[miguna]

UK papers tell about blackmail on Githongo

Story by PAUL REDFERN, London
Publication Date: 01/29/2006
Some Cabinet ministers attempted to "buy off" former anti-corruption official John Githongo at the height of concerns on high-level graft, according to reports by UK media.

The Economist magazine in particular details how key ministers attempted to "buy off’" the former permanent secretary for Ethics and Governance by offering to ensure that "a debt held by Mr Githongo’s father with a local businessman, whom Mr Githongo was investigating, would be forgiven."

According to the London-based magazine, Western leaders are now watching earnestly for how President Kibaki deals with the scandal.

If action is not taken in the immediate future, the Economist says, "foreign donors speak of fiscal consequences including the obstruction of loans and grants that keep the government afloat."

The key factor the Kenyan government does not appear to have grasped, the Economist says, is that times have changed since the 1990s and that while Kenyans, and in particular the media, have changed, government ministers and MPs haven’t[/b]. In particular, the magazine praises the role played by the Sunday Nation in highlighting the issue.

But the leader is d**ning of the Narc Government and in particular the "Mount Kenya mafia" who, it says, "appear to have entered politics to make money for themselves and their hangers-on. When they reached the trough, they gorged. In an effort to remain there, they gorged more. None expected Mr Githongo to object."

Another respected UK publication, the Financial Times, also highlights Transparency International’s criticism of the Kenyan Government and the World Bank’s recent granting of a US$25 million loan to key government ministries.

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Now, all the papers try to outdo each other in criticism. Before, it was different... apparently, some guys have now got the feeling that it is time to abandon a sinking ship.

Alexander

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miguna said:

A response to a Kenyan Spy Master Imbedded in Cyberspace

Kenyatta was fortunate in the sense that he sat on Kenyans when I was still very young. By the time he died, I was just completing my primary school, and hence, was unable to oppose him in any meaningful way.

MIGUNA MIGUNA
A patriotic Kenyan looking for answers and accountability
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The author is a Barrister & Solicitor in Toronto, Canada

Miguna,

With that simple quote from yourself, I now excuse you and allow you to write this mindless drivel you love. The fact that you were a maziwa ya nyayo and a tawala Moi tawala singing toddler when some of us were doing more sensible things should be sufficient for me to excuse the mind of a child in you. Appearances can surely be deceptive!!!

Well now that you have graduated to the juvenile level of your friends who when struck with information they do not have become happy labeling others as spies or some other names, perhaps you will allow us to continually question your intellect!

Like some silly children in Mashada who think that the history of corruption in Kenya can be written without some names being mentioned, and when they do, I get a 2000 word thread started in my honour, you are no different to them Miguna. All you are trying to do by asking us to isolate corruption and theft in Kenya between Mois regime and this one of Kibaki is to ensure that some of the facts remain hidden!

As I said in another thread, we are too grown up for some of you to pull wool over our eyes. I can see that little Luo plot in your mind, Miguna, I can see it!

Shame on you Miguna.

Now to your attempt at responding to me!

Is it not strange how you are able to see thieiving sycophants surrounding Kibaki and cannot see the thieves that surround that political w'hore that you you hold in awe? I am yet to see you question the apparent use of a thies like Kajwang' as a close confidant of that same fellow? You still cannot see anything wrong in keeping the company of a thief like Ruto? If you did, I actually may think that you are objective. Regrettably, yours is driven by a very narrow tribal agenda of who will help transport the PW to power. I say young fellow - keep dreaming.

[miguna]

Kamau,

It's good to hear from you. From your vigour, I assume that the global trips were "fruitful."

1. One cannot apologize for his or her age. I wish I had taken "maziwa" ya Nyayo. I endured the Onjiko Secondary School "nyoyo" as those nyayo kids feasted over the maziwa. Oh, how I wished I was that lucky.

2. After questioning you at the Village Market, both my friend and I conclusively determined that you draw your paycheque from NSI. But that is today beside the point.

I accept you, Mr. Spy Master, for what you are. I will now deal with the rest of your response.

3. As I have indicated before, Kenyan "leaders" have been corrupt since independence. Starting with Kenyatta and his Kiambu Mafia, the Moi and his Kalenjin Mafia and now to Kibaki and his Mount Kenya Mafia - we have seen massive lootings of unprecented prportions. So, I totally agree with you. I have ALWAYS agreed with you on this one. However, my point on the most recent articles were the corruption scandals by and under Kibaki. I have stated over and again that I fought the Moi corruption and dictatorship alongside other Kenyans. It is for that reason that I am writing from Canada while you, Mr. Spy Master, is enjoying the gravy in Nairobi. I don't begrudge you the comfort, though.

I have never ever excused the corruption by and under Moi and you know that. In fact, all my articles contain references to the Goldenberg Scandal as much as they refer to Anglo Leasing. I have even dedicated chapters in books and journals about the oppression, dictatorship and lootings under the Moi'Kanu regime.

Contrary to your mythical assertions, I publicly opposed the NDP and Kanu merger when the majority of people from my home province were supporting it. In fact, on the forum, I only remember Oloo as the only other person who openly did so.

However, unlike you, I do not see ghosts under every table. I've not seen one under Raila's table. Please help me out if you saw one. It may actually be there.

So, my friend, you are wrong to assume that my articles are motivated by anything else but their declared agenda. If there was "Luo Mafia" I can gusarantee you that I will be the first or one of the first people to DENOUNCE it, publicly.

4. You are free to point out the involvement of others in corruption in Kenya. I consider the fight against corruption as an international fight. The more names and evidence we have, the better. So, I welcome your new evidence on the corruption allegedly committed by Otieno Kajwan'g or Raila - who are the two individuals you seem to have mentioned.

By the way, from the evidence I have seen, Otieno Kajwan'g admitted misappropriating Sh50,000 belonging to one of his clients. His case was dealt with by the LSK and he was disbarred. This was as it should have been. Otieno Kajwan'g is now a full time politician. He no longer practices law. But his brain is still intact. And so, he is free, like all other disbarred lawyers, to offer his advice to anyone so long as he does not purport to do so as "an Advocate of the High Court of Kenya." He is not practicing law. Strangely, you seem to believe that one should be punished in perpetuity. Otieno Kajwan'g has been punished for his theft. He has paid the ultimate price any lawyer could have paid.

Even prisoners get released after serving their terms and get back to picking up the pieces of their lives where they left them. The mere fact that one has served his term does not mean they cease being human beings who cannot have friends or a life after jail. I have never said that Kibaki cannot have friends like Murungaru. All we are saying is that Kenyans should not be paying for that friendship. Let them keep their fiendships away from public and government affairs. Unfortunately, it is now too late. They've already sbused their offices and positions and looted from the public coffers under the pretext of "serving the nation!"

That is why we are calling for blood. Nothing personal my friend.

So, don't begrudge Otieno Kajwan'g his friends. I find it curious that you would point at Kajwan'g when we have criminals like Gachara who stole hundreds of millions of HIV/Aids patients, orphans and deceased Kenyans, yet could not even serve her full term in jail because, Kibaki, in his "wisdom" released her under a "presidential pardons and clemency." Unlike Otieno Kajwan'g, Mrs. Gachara has not paid [back] society for all her thefts. Do you see the double standards?

Compare further to the billions Muite and Kamau Kuria have stolen recently and yet absolutely no action has been taken against this thieving duo. Muite's Sh10 million from Pattni is still fresh. And we recently read about the Sh600 million misappropriated from all kinds of Kenyans. Kamau Kuria has basically turned the Grand Regency Hotel into a family affair - carting away hundreds of millions each month for personal gain, enrichment...Yet nothing has happened to both Muite and Kamau Kuria.

These are just but 3 examples that should bring you back to earth. There are worse ones that we can disclose in seconds. We are keeping tabs my brother. Don't worry.

5. I have never ever - and I will never ever defend Rutto or anybody else for that matter if there is evidence connecting him or them to corruption. That is why we are calling for the publication and release of the Goldenberg Report. I have been very consistent in calling for the arrest and prosecutions of all the people involved in the Goldenberg looting. Rather than talk generally, Mr. Spy Master, please name names and give evidence like Githongo has done. I have no doubt that your training, experience and connections have allowed you unfettered access to some of the evidence. Go ahead and discharge your patriotic duties to the nation by helping us unravel the scams.

6. Mention to me how tribal it is to call for the arrest, prosecution and punishment of the culprits of grand corruption? Tell me how tribal it is to call for the repatriation of all stolen loot? Mr. Spy Master, please explain to us how tribal it is to call for an end to this dangerous tendency in Kenya for all leaders to steal from the people yet nothing happens to them?

I would be more than happy to debate you on my purported tribal agenda once you explain how my articles have been motivated by tribalism.

7. The trick of calling someone a tribalist as a way of shutting them up does not work with me. If it so happens that almost all the major thieves involved in all the major financial thefts, lootings and scams in Kenya (from 1963-2006) originate around the Mout Kenya region, should we fear calling for their punishment just because people like you will turn around and call us tribalist? No my friend. NO! When Oyugi Ogango was stealing with Moi, I was incessant then as I am now. All you need to do is review my file in your NSI offices. All the press cuttings are there. Fear not my brother - we are fair.

8. You are trying to defend the indefinsible. As they say, "two wrongs don't make a right."

9. I urge you to review your job description again. There is this historical confusion with sleuths like you thinking that their job is to "protect the president" even from legitimate criticisms and attacks. I believe that your proper role is to "defend" Kenya and Kenyans! But then again, I've not really seen your job description recently. It may well be to "defend Kibaki!" I heard that they made major changes this last time around. That means we have to change lots of things once the wakora are sent packing.

Now, let the real debate proceed.

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-Miguna-

PS: As for that Booker Tate issue; you are wrong again. Even as I write, I'm looking at the hard copy of the Sunday Nation of Jan. 15, 2006 (brought to me by a friend who just returned from Kenya yesterday) - and the headline reads "Imports rule shock for the sugar industry sector." The article then talks of all the horrendous stories we've learnt all along in this sector and that Jane's article referred to. Kirwa is apparently asking Mumias to import sugar! Not grow; import! Nowhere in that and other articles I've read is there a reference to your mythical profits. Anyway, I make a big difference between political soundbits like the ones you heard during Kibaki's useless "Nyanza Tour" and the REAL FACTS. Tell us again when Booker Tate's Management contracts were terminated? Come again my brother...winter has perhaps destroyed my hearing!-MM-

[job]

Folks,

As our dear country is hemorrhaged by merciless thieves who plot day-in, day-out, to loot, loot .............and loot more,.............there are those who think they can shut public condemnation............. through, the use of side-shows, personalising & tribalising debates and occasionally throwing in off-topic detours.

The aim of such DETRACTORS is quite CLEAR and DELIBERATE............ To put off public interest, and cool the outrage and anger of the people.

Like Miguna, I will restate that even if such debating fora are infiltrated by members on payrolls of spy units,...........it will change nothing. Public outrage in Kenya is now basically just waiting for an opportunity to explode.

The spies will just be pin-pointed, isolated, and told to go to @#$%. What shameless taxpayers can self-impose as the defense advocates of looters simply because they don't like the source of criticisms.

This is a national crisis concerning taxpaying Kenyans who feel at a loss,......yet some people want to downplay it for whatever sinister motives be they financial, political, tribal, psychotic, or egotistical reasons and complexes.

Of-course certain detractors must justify reasons for continuing to draw their pay cheques. With propagandist, & detraction techniques,....they may want to focus more on personal and tribal talk rather than the issue of discussion, which is.........Corruption involving KIBAKI & the MKM surrounding him.

There is a general tendency that the more personalised, & tribalized these debates degenerate into, ......... public interest usually wanes off, or .............simply the public is normally discouraged and put-off by intense ethnicized discussions.

Therefore it does not surprise when a thread started specifically detailing Githongo's dossier................ ends up with issues such as filed tax-returns,.......Starehe boys fees,........the age of debators, ......posting habits of debators,......maziwa ya nyayo,.......and anthropology of the Ndorobo or Ogiek.

Since this thread addresses spy masters, well let me say that such deliberate tactics of the spies,...in hijacking national debates & discussions,........then, tribalising & personalizing them to put off the readership will not work. We will stay the course and address the current thieving by Kibaki and his corrupt Ministers.

Like I said earlier, as the Kiambu Mafia during the Kenyatta regime, looted Kenya's coffers and perpetrated regional inequalities in development,............. their propaganda machine zeroed in on innocent victims, who were blamed for all misfortunes of the country. Ironically the same citizens who were lured into hailing, cheering and praising the Mtukufu, as he literally killed political opposition, grabbed public land, and looted the coffers,.....later found themselves landless, poor and with no essential services and ammenities.

At the end of the day, for instance, more than 1/2 of Coastal residents were squatters in their native Province while Kenyatta and Criticos held the largest chunk of land there. Coastal people are now not only fighting for reforms in governance, but fighting for their land too.

Enter Moi and the NYAYO was followed. Corruption & Ruthless fighting of the opposition through all means, propaganda, assassinations, Constitutional amendments, land-clashes, GSU, economic marginalization etc etc.

Then people got fed up and initiated a brutal 2nd liberation struggle,....... which led to some minimal reforms, able to catapult NARC to power.

Enter Kibaki,...................Little did Kenyans know that KIBAKI was after all not interested in the type of change Kenyans were fighting for.

It was business as usual for him with regard to corruption, ANGLO-LEASING and other procurement looting. It was about looting, tribalism, assassinations, GSU/riot police, Constitutional fraud attempts, and more and more LOOTING,......running in the tens of Billions............ What a shame for Kenya.

Kenyans have realized that this Kibaki project was a big blunder,.......and they will see it upon themselves that they deal with him appropriately. The beginning of things to come was indicated at the referendum, when alert Kenyans rejected attempted Constitutional fraud.

One sure thing. Looters and Thieves don't like inquisitive minds around them. They don't like integrity-conscious patriots like GITHONGO near them. They like conspiracy-friendly conformists. They love sycophants who will EAT quietly with them and defend them when necessary.

They LOVE a PASSIVE SOCIETY which doesn't question their thievery but instead sings in their praise. They fear & hate forthright, brave or populist political figures who can challenge them. They certainly hate investigative journalists and commentators who bash their acts.

I don't expect them to love some of the criticisms write about them. I know they have people who respond back on their behalf. But will that discourage anyone genuine about their criticisms,....definitely NOT. More will come, since the Kenyan society is not PASSIVE or just blindly conformist TODAY.

Unfortunately for them, that's not the KENYAN SOCIETY they expected to have to deal with. Too bad KIBAKI,...you came in too late. Too bad to his apologists, defenders and "protectors". The Kenyan society will not relent in its battle to send thieves where they belong. They must be made to payback too.

Lastly , it's too bad for the lone ranger sleuths or deranged fellows who imagine that by shifting the discussion topic to irrelevant issues,....the questioning by Kenyans will stop. It will not, I can guarantee that. Let me now venture into reading other relevant articles done by other people I will quote, which I intend to post if I feel appropriate.

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[miguna]

Job,

You hit the nail on its head.

Mr. Spy Master himself told me about two years ago that the MKM are/were planning to MANIPULATE Kenyans into accepting Saitoti come 2007. According to his logic, "Kenyans are very easy to manipulate...all you need are lots of money and you can sell anyone to Kenyans."

I tried to poke holes into this cynical "reasoning" but the man laughed it off. He stated that the same way they sold Kibaki would be the same way they would sell Saitoti. Of course, they had already conveniently FORGOTTEN how Kibaki got THERE!

But I didn't suspect that they were planning to FUND their 2007 Saitoti Project on the backs of Kenyans. I could not imagine that Anglo Leasing and other scams were being planned & executed for the Saitoti Project.

That explains why we cannot hear about the Goldenberg report.

Back to Mr. Spy Master. He reckoned that because Saitoti used about Sh800 million (their fugures, not mine) to campaign for Kibaki, he, Saitoti, will use equal or more money to campaign for the 2007 Project. Remember that the hundreds of millions purportedly spent by Saitoti are Goldenberg Scam Money!

They steal from the public then abuse the publich as being foolish!

The wakoras will do anything to try to shift attention. But it will never work....

Enough said.
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-Miguna-

[job]

Miguna,

According to your source, ...MKM maybe having their ideas on manipulating Kenyans with lots of money (ironically stolen from the same Kenyans) to impose Saitoti on them come 2007........
but Kenyans themselves also have their own ideas.

If the Kenyan voters received lots of money, bribes and goodies during the referendum and then elegantly went ahead to assert their conscience,.....without influence, intimidation or compromise,........then that was a significant thing to be noted....... by those who believe that Billions of cash (stolen from the same public) is the one secret to the Presidency.

In that 2-year-old conversation of yours lies,.......some insider information,..... from someone apparently privy to the MKM think tank. Some crucial info was revealed therein. Even figures of how much cash Saitoti contributed to the Kibaki campaign ,........Shs 800 million!,............ What if it's Saitoti's own Presidential campaign, imagine the Billions this guy is willing to spend ,........."Ngai fafa!!!!!", poor Kenyans we are in for some deep trouble.

However,...... and on a serious note, that think-tank needs to THINK seriously about Kenyans being manipulated into electing Saitoti as President.

Goldenberg and Anglo-Leasing are scandals that will be blamed for everything that goes wrong in Kenya,... for quite some time into the future,........until some heads are made to pay heavily and accordingly.

I would fire such a think tank for engaging in too much pre-referendum-like fantasies.

After having witnessed a classic case of puting a Fox (Kibaki) incharge of the hen-house(Exchequer), ........which hens in Kenya will put another fox (Saitoti) incharge of the hen-house again?

Saitoti and the Goldenberg scam are like the thumb and the index finger,......they stand in solidarity and synchrony. Who knows whether he has another role in the Anglo-Leasing scandal?

To think that Kenyans will subsitute an "Anglo-Fleecing President" with a "Goldenberg President" is a bit far fetched and naive. That must only be strategy mooted while under the influence of some good quantities of Tuskers or Vodka.

A Saitoti-for-President strategy is one I surely wish NAK to make. But meanwhile,.......we want all Goldenberg crooks, & Anglo-Fleecers right where Kibaki said looters belonged,.....in jail,......with repatriation of the stolen funds, freezing of Assets of the crooks, etc etc......That is where this campaign is heading by the way. Reforms must be forced by the people themselves,....not to be expected or begged from the same looting leaders as Abdulmote would characteristically say!

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[abdulmote]

The relevance of the topic is what made me lift my following post from mashada, written on the 5th of April 2005, in fact just before Githongo initially tried to spill the beans be it only impliedly! Not very well written but can do. And job, thanks, only playing my part like many of you are. Now read on:-

"RE: Understanding The DRAFT CONSTITUTION"
In response to Reply # 0


Now let us take another view; As we go along, we must not forget that getting power and retaining it, is the most critical jewel for many a political community as evidenced throughout our Kenyan history. To the gikuyu ‘special elites’, being numerically superior and economically stronger than any other Kenyan community, occupying the driving seat of the nation is almost a non-negotiable God given right. And so is protecting that gain once acquired as is the case. It then becomes difficult to imagine that this possibility will no longer be the case in any near future just for the sake of it. The protectors of the jewel will have to try very hard to keep it where ‘it belongs’. Especially so considering the current theft taking place by the current occupiers of the drivers’ cabin, lest someone holds them accountable in the future. Ladies and gents, it becomes a matter of life and death!

In effect, the players will be applying any tricks of the trade to ensure that they get what they want. And in doing so, the actors will have to play a very prominent role in influencing the direction of that competition for obvious reasons. That is financially, politically, or any other way, but something will be have to be done! (no wonder kibs has to play blind while allowing his mates to build on their war chest while it lasts!). But if Kebaki is to be strategically discounted as a sacrifice for one reason or another, an alternative to him will have to be put in place.

At the moment it is practically difficult to imagine anyone else taking over the shield on their behalf apart from Uhuru. Yes, him. After all, better the devil you know…nah? But what becomes of D P and the rest of Mount Kenya Mafias in all this? And how will Uhuru play his cards to ensure that nobody can smell a rat and so loose the jewel-almost-in-hand? At the same time, what would Agwambo and the rest of stakeholders be doing in tackling this mind game to their best advantage? -- end of post.

[miguna]

Palaver had this to say of Ringera Aaron....
****

And finally.....

This for Ringera, Kenya's most expensive lame duck. Word has it that an influential woman politician is flooding the country with imported sugar. Will you give her a 30-day notice to record a statement, too?
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And from one of the chief looters, Chris Murungaru himself - "oh, it was Kibaki's idea!"
Of course, we knew that....
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Monday, January 30, 2006

President approved naval ship deal, says Murungaru

Story by MUGUMO MUNENE
Publication Date: 01/30/2006

Sh4.1 billion Naval ship deal at the centre of Kenya Anti-Corruption Commission (KACC) investigations was expressly authorised by President Kibaki in June 2003, it was revealed yesterday.
Former Cabinet minister Chris Murungaru said no procurement of such a magnitude could have gone ahead without the President's signature.
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It was the first time President Kibaki was being directly linked to official documents connected with the deals, whose exposure in the media has gripped the country for the last week.

But Dr Murungaru — the former Minister for National Security and Provincial Administration —said he was not suggesting any wrong-doing on the part of the President.
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....And we have not taken them to court yet? Squeal Murungaru, squeal. Your life depends on it.

[kamalet]

miguna said:

Kamau,

It's good to hear from you. From your vigour, I assume that the global trips were "fruitful."

1. One cannot apologize for his or her age. I wish I had taken "maziwa" ya Nyayo. I endured the Onjiko Secondary School "nyoyo" as those nyayo kids feasted over the maziwa. Oh, how I wished I was that lucky.

2. After questioning you at the Village Market, both my friend and I conclusively determined that you draw your paycheque from NSI. But that is today beside the point.

I accept you, Mr. Spy Master, for what you are. I will now deal with the rest of your response.

1. How very interesting that my invitation to a drink ended up being an inquisition on whether I was a spook or not! Did you not then lie to your friend Oloo who told me you convinced him I actually was not a spook, or to you like all lawyers a little lie does not matter if it helps see the day through?

2.Now that you have successfully concluded what my profession is (and assuming you are right), would the moderator of this forum confirm that certain professions should not contribute in these forums? Whether I am a spymaster, a legal quack or a prostitute does that really matter when one posts in Jukwaa?

3. Until the moderator of this forum deems it fit to throw me out of this forum, you can rest assured that I shall always respond to half-truths and non-objective tribal rants that you post here. So stop having sleepless nights wondering what I do and where I travel to or even who pays for the travels. None of your taxes are spent on me or my travels.....happy now? Now run along and find new shadows to fight.

[aeichener]

kamalet said:

miguna said:

would the moderator of this forum confirm that certain professions should not contribute in these forums? Whether I am a spymaster, a legal quack or a prostitute does that really matter when one posts in Jukwaa?

It does not matter whether one be a spymaster (resp. a master spy), a shyster, a quack or an NGO leech, to cite only a few potential professions. What counts for me, is the quality of one's own contributions.

Note: prosodic accent here is on "one's own", not "lifted and copied verbatim from the newspapers" .

Alexander

[miguna]

Kamau,

Sorry for coming back to you rather late. But, are you saying that you are not a sleuth because I purportedly told Oloo [in your absence] that you are not drawing your pay from the NSIS, and therefore my article categorically stating that you are, is wrong? This is double hearsay and there are no exceptions permitting its admission. In any event, the so-called 2000 word essay (I thought it was more) says it loud and clear. Strangely, you are asking me to admit something [that you are not a sleuth] based on some "communication" between you and someone else in my absence. I can only shake my head.

This attempt to change the topic will not work. Kibaki has tried it so many times, and in more creative ways, than what you are attempting to do. It will never work.

Kibaki's government is finished. It does not matter how persistent the incompetent apologists like you try to spin...
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[kamalet]

Miguna,

If it makes you happy........then go right ahead feel as you wish!

Kamale

[miguna]

Mr. Spy Master:

Yes, I do. Thanks very much.

[otieno]

As one whose late father was a luo and mother is a kikuyu from Kiambu,Wambui,you may have heard of her...i find it increasingly tedious for Kenyans to constantly fall back on tribalism to justify wrongdoing. These thieves are stealing our countries future and little wealth for selfish ,greedy reasons. This is not about Raila,its about a brave Kenyan(Githongo)who stood up to selfish,greedy people and risked his neck..its about time we found out what we have always suspected.

As for past regimes,no one is blameless but when it was decided to let Moi leave without investigation and judicial process, NARC made its first mistake because you can't allow democratic space to ensue without accountability. These criminals thought they could get away with it because past regimes did...and the people of Kenya must say NO MORE!!

[kamalet]

"wa Otieno"

Sorry this has nothing to do with the spy turned traitor....it is about spy still in the country but "imbedded in cyberspace".

The "traitor" has sufficient coverage in other threads in this forum!!! ...and according to you there are small wrongs and big wrongs, those that can be ignored and others that cannot be ignored. I think we are selling Kenya rather cheap.