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Post by kamalet on Feb 1, 2006 17:06:00 GMT 3
Should we be celebrating Mwiraria's resignation or should we now be very afraid?
Afraid that this could signal the end of ODM as a grouping.
Afraid that this could ultimately lead to the death of the fight against corruption - a fight that has been led by politicians since the revelations of the "Githongo Diaries".
Watch this space!
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Post by aeichener on Feb 1, 2006 17:27:35 GMT 3
We should greet it at a first step, I would say. No reason for celebrations yet, but for hope, and for continuing the pressure.
Alexander
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Post by maina on Feb 1, 2006 19:58:51 GMT 3
Kamale and Alexander, As pictorially pretty as Mwiraria’s resignation affair looks, we mustn’t forget where the buck stops. There are whispers everywhere here from some impeccable DP “strategists”, that President Kibaki will unhesitatingly spear some of his touts from the Hurlingham bureau. However, is still adduced that he has not yet been bellyfilled and fed up with the likes of the gross and shameful Murungi, the slimy and insignificant Ndwiga, the pitiful and sleazy Kimunya and of course, the repugnant and hellish Karua (although she could pass for the only woman in the Muthaiga connection). These same DP folks seem to somehow get the poop of significant events even before they happen. You see the problem with this administration is the sole fact that its luminaries are exhaustively enchanted with their purblind vision that their raja will faithfully recompense them for their fantastic allegiance, even in times of say a Mexican standoff. As much as they are all in some bizarre comatose state, they are also in for the rudest shock of their lives! Kibaki really does not care about any of these faithful and crazy loons! He is characteristically mortally steadfast to ultra conservative doctrines. In other words, he is a reactionary faction extremist! Just look at his clique (the Muthaiga connection), isn’t it all about beautiful people and old money? Categorically, that is squarely what the supreme DP lineup and schedule is all about. Take for instance the case of the creaky and been around Njenga Karume. Some argue that the former DP patron and Kiambaa people’s choice being appointed to the cabinet was genuinely for political purposes. I thoroughly disagree. Karume renounced the DP and decamped to KANU during the Uhuru-project ecstasy days. But he only did it after he negotiated, almost as though to implore or beseech Kibaki. And Kibaki, in his resultant emblematic establishment ways segregated himself and unfixed his ties with Karume, as if to punish and torture him. You see those are strictly the blue blood terms of engagement! In any case, have you ever wondered why Karume is back? Do you then assume that the Hurlingham and Muthaiga wings both have a fifty-fifty predilection in their overlord's eyes even though they are all DP monomaniacs? That also somewhat explains why Kibaki will not yield to public pressure and especially if it pertains to opposing him. He will ride his shotgun for as long as he can to safeguard his presidency! Besides, he is actually really loving it right now - he’s got Raila and the ODM away and out of his face!  I don’t see him sacking anybody yet. He will replicate the trumpery and dissolute Moi-style way of mollifying and assuaging his critics. That means that by getting rid of a “scapegoat” like Mwiraria, as a conciliatory show to donors, he will also be concurrently striving to dampen any antipathy and clamour from the opposition and the general public. That is his style! I can only shake my head.  Maina. -unedited- |
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Post by miguna on Feb 1, 2006 20:01:22 GMT 3
Kamau,
Thanks for this service to the nation (giving us the scoop).
Now to your question. Are we celebrating yet?
The answer is NO. Celebrating what? If I may be permitted to ask.Why should we celebrate this belated nonsense? Mwiraria should have been fired and CHARGED 2 years ago!
The goat thief deserves time in jail.
Other MEGA thieves should be fired and CHARGED as well.
But even more importantly, KIBAKI must go. He is the architect of the grand corruption in his government. We have heard this from non other than the other CHIEF THIEF, Chris Murungaru.
Have you forgotten that the Kieni thief has started squealing? Together with his thieving lawyer, Muite!
Have you bothered to ask yourself why Murungaru (and by the way, have you noticed how marvellous his EVIDENCE against the UK and US gvernments have been shapping up? You owe me for rubbishing my earlier analysis on the garbage case), Mwiraria, Getonga, Kiraitu, Awori, Kibaki, Nyachae and others are still swaggering in our country like peec*ocks? As if nothing has happened.
No, my friend, we are saddened by the Kibaki criminalities. We are justly fearful that he will most probably replace Mwiraria with Nyachae (or recycle one of those old looters), whitewash everything before bringing the goat thief back through the rear window, as he is very good at doing.
We cannot celebrate for as long as these thieves remain near our coffers, goats and institutions!
That is why we are not celebrating, yet.
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Post by job on Feb 1, 2006 23:33:41 GMT 3
Folks,
Looting of public funds has been the prime business of Kibaki's arrogant Ministers. They must be made to PAY BACK and serve jail terms............... That's justice.
Another scandal of Anglo-Leasing magnitude, involving single-sourced sugar importation tenders,.........might shed light as to why over-night multi-millionaires,......KIPRUTO KIRWA and MUKHISA KITUYI, have been some of the outstandingly wild sycophants of Kibaki,.........the President has provided them a platform and opportunity to Loot freely,...............at the expense of the public,...........who have become poorer and poorer.
This is beside the petty thieving by the NDWIGA's.
With the Justice net zeroing towards the direction of Kibaki, Awori, Getonga, Mwiraria, Murungi, Muthaura, Kirwa, Kituyi,........................ what's left of the lucklustre banana Cabinet?................
The most prudent thing for Emilio to do is to call it a day,..........dismiss his cabinet, resign and call for fresh elections,.........let him offer the nation a chance for a new beginning.
The next government must look at the need for a better constitution, as desired by the people,......... very seriously.
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job
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Post by job on Feb 2, 2006 1:11:34 GMT 3
Folks,
Watch for a fall-out within the dirty "House of Bananas" as internal jostling for positions begins,.........anticipated realignments and posturing within the Banana "Nyoba" has started.
Kombo & Kituyi are jostling for the VP,..........and Kombo's aides have conveniently brought to the media's attention,...................the fact that Kituyi is currently being questioned by KACC for a sugar mega scandal alongside Kirwa, besides influencing a Cranes tender at KPA. Oh boy Oh boy......Isn't Kombo an undisputed blackmail champion,..........Don't be surprised if Kituyi hits back with public display of Kombos dirty linen too....
What about the already besieged Anglo-fleecers,......the Murungaru/Murungi/Mwiraria looters,......are they mad at someone,.....probably blaming ............Karume's group..... for advising Kibaki to let them go..............they may be hitting back at Karume with this ARTICLE below,........THE BOTTOMLINE is that,.........none of these "Banana Nyooba" dwellers was not looting or grabbing,.........
MINISTER LINKED TO SH 130MILLION FRAUD
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By Caroline Mango
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A Cabinet minister has been linked to a Sh130 million fraud at the Kenya Tourism Development Corporation (KTDC).
KTDC managing director Patrick Mutua Nzioka has been suspended following recommendations by the Kenya Anti-Corruption Commission (Kacc).
According to documents obtained by The Standard, the corporation has been irregularly loaning money to politically connected individuals, including a minister at the Office of the President, at the expense of genuine applicants.
The graft body, in correspondence to the Permanent Secretary in the in the Office of the President Francis Muthaura, disclosed that Nzioka was being protected by a PS and two Cabinet ministers.
"The managing director has now resorted to intimidating employees who know the truth and whom he suspects of leaking information about his wrongdoings," says Kacc director Aaron Ringera in a letter dated December 22, 2005.
Death threats
One KTDC manager, the letter says, had received death threats and had reported the matter to the police. Letters by Kacc asking Muthaura to take urgent action against the managing director had been ignored until Tourism minister Morris Dzoro stepped in.
"I wrote to you on December 2, 2005 on the issue of the managing director of KTDC asking that administrative action be taken against him even as the commission continues with investigations into the corruption claims," said Ringer’a.........................the rest of the article has been cut...
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Post by maina on Feb 2, 2006 4:19:30 GMT 3
Job,
Habari?
One disadvantage of cyberspace is that you cannot see gestures and expressions of the people communicating with you so as to tell whether their assertions are jocular, serious, whether they are being funny, et cetera. Also, being subjectively allergic to the DP, I couldn’t restrain myself from “echoing” more so after reading your comments here about Ndwiga.
……..which brings to my first question to you………is the proven crime of corruption committed by the likes of “Kibaki, Awori, Getonga, Mwiraria, Murungi, Muthaura, Kirwa, Kituyi,........................ what's left of the lucklustre banana Cabinet?................” (hear you) any different from the “petty thieving by the NDWIGA's.”(hear you again)? And because Ndwiga filched, are you seriously presupposing that his corruption crime is insignificant?
Secondly, I am assuming you must be a Kenyan (again the problem of cyberspace not enabling one to know another intimately) and if that’s the case, then I am excellently certain that you know of the KCC (the real KCC, not KCC 2000 or the New one). My question is…….do you know who literally brought it down to its knees?
Thirdly, have you ever heard of Jitegemee Trust Limited? Do you know who owns and runs it? What’s the story behind Jitegemee and KCC? And what’s the other story behind KCC 2000? Why were the KCC 2000 assets that total over KShs 5 billion acquired for a mere KShs 400 million from the farmers who previously owned the original KCC? Who acquired them? What about the new KCC…….is it functional? And if you think it is, is it economically viable when it keeps getting heavily funded? And if it isn’t are you aware that there is a law requiring that societies merge into economically viable units?
Thirdly, have you heard of yet another milk swindle by the name of Nairobi City Council Staff Help Group? Where did they get their more than KShs1.1 billion? Have any of the miscreants been arrested?
Ala! Kwani Job, isn’t Ndwiga as the Minister for Co-operatives accountable, if not chargeable? Do you mean to say that Ndwiga was unaware of all this mess while KCC, a humongous and valuable co-operative was looted? Or is a petty theft (and the thief) irrelevant today because of the immense Anglo Leasing theft and its significance? C’mon!
And since Saitoti is not on your list, do you mean to somewhat estimate that his theft is somehow immaterial or trivial now?
Ndwiga is just as much a rotten hangdog as the other felonious sheep! There is nothing appealing about DP MKM – everything and everyone there just downright stinks because everyone is a THIEF!
Maina.
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Post by kamalet on Feb 2, 2006 9:49:13 GMT 3
I think we still have not looked at the issues that should make anyone afraid......
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Post by abdulmote on Feb 2, 2006 11:36:21 GMT 3
"The issues that make" me afraid are for now very few and simple:
1. The opposition (read ODM) are not credible and honest enough to see this fight all the way through. Their corrupt and so vulnerable characteristic exposes them to unwanted and undesirable compromises against the public's good. In other words, the public may still potentially and realistically be at risk of another con game! That is one of the things I am afraid of!
2. Another thing that I am afraid of is the Kenyans' naivety! I am afraid Kibaki may just get away with playing silent and aloof as he always does. I am afraid that soon the "wapumbavu" "blind mice" may forget and forgive the mugger amongst us and just foolishly carry on dishing out another chance to the same to continue rapping us a few more times despite the horrendous pain!
Thats what fear bwana Kamale, and I can only wishfully hope to see the end of this nightmere!
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Post by kamalet on Feb 2, 2006 13:39:39 GMT 3
Adbulmote,
Good to see that you share some of my fears why we should not be celebrating 'as Kenyans' that Mwiraria has resigned.
Perhaps you can see some form of choreography in the way things are moving - and especially from some 'unexpected' quarters. First a group of non-sycophant ministers read a government statement indicating heightened activity in the fight against corruption and that even goldenberg and the ndung'u reports will be released soon and action taken. Swiftly Daudi Mwiraria 'accepts' to be the fall guy and resigns "to pave way for an independent investigation".
Now this investigation will take place, make no mistake about it. The two reports will also be released. Consequently people across the political divide are exposed as corrupt and in the ensuing confusion deals will be made amongst the same politicians - then the corruption debate will be just hot air and Kenyans will be left without any knowledge on exactly what happened to their money!!!
That is a big reason to be afraid, and I am not even thinking about the conspiracy theory being floated by Onyango Oloo which if true ( and it might actually be!) will be equally sad.
Be afraid Kenyans....be very afraid!
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Post by Daktari wa makazi on Feb 2, 2006 14:33:28 GMT 3
Kamalet, Politicians are not all corrupt as suggested. Goldenberg had Saitoti as it's villain. Thanks to Githongo we know who is behind Anglo Leasing scam.
Mwiraria resignation to me is a sign of guilt and it only follows naturally that he should be arraigned before a Court of Law as soon as possible
I donot see David Mwiraria as the fall guy at all and I cringe when I hear him called such because his resignation should be the first of many especially Kiraitu, and Awori. What they are guilty of is massive corruption as evident by Githingo. For justice to take place these people must be charge with grand theft from public coffers and abuse of public office/trust. Let the Courts acquit them. It will be years before their mess is cleaned up.
Mwiraria was the highest official in the Treasury. How could a Minister with ultimate authority and responsibility possibly be a "scapegoat"? You cannot get more responsible than that. If corruption of this magnitude does not make you quit or lose your job, then I cannot imagine what would.
Could it not just be that Mwiraria knows something that we donot know? After all he was the Minister of Finance. The House of cards (Kibaki administration) may be about to fall. Perhaps Mwiraria would want off the ship before the bubbles start rising.
The "close ties" between Mwiraria and President Kibaki is just one more indicator that the problem isnot one person but the Kibaki "regime".
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Post by kamalet on Feb 2, 2006 15:06:16 GMT 3
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Post by aeichener on Feb 2, 2006 16:01:10 GMT 3
I would hope (!) that Wangari Maathai isn't.
Alexander
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Post by ndauosa on Feb 2, 2006 16:15:41 GMT 3
What took them soo.. long to make the goldenberg inquiries and Ndung'u reports public ?.
Now to cool the political pressures being felt within the MKM & Kibaki co. Divert the publics attention to the doctored documents, Kamanda bring on stage the Kisumu molasses . Let fingers be pointed to all, confuse the electorate and before we know it, campaign time is here again. Na huree tume toboaa.
Loo!!!! Sarakasi haziishi, we wake up to new strategies employed to ensure the camp stays in power, at least for the full term of five years.
Kibaki cares no more, for him what he had set as his life time goal, was to be president.Which he has. It has been a long walk for kibaki.
Who was the third president of Kenya Jo mbita?
Nani aliyekuwa raisi wa tatu wa jamuhuri ya nchi ya kenya wana jumuiya, jukwaa and all. The only president that was democratically elected, to punish wanjiku.
The ODM must stand by each other and watch every move by their banana "friends" if they are to succeed in getting kibaki out, as the game plan at the moment is to paint them as participants in the scandals.
All in all we are being faced by the same people who cannot claim to be clean as far as corruption is concerned. Most of them trace their political status from corrupt regimes.
Wote ni wale wale...
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Post by politicalmaniac on Feb 2, 2006 16:32:21 GMT 3
I am just happy MKM arrogance is being met with a stiff arm from the public.
one cant just steal your stuff and stare you back in the face and walk away with the thief showing you his back.
Even the husband thumper Martha is having second thoughts! no blind and blank amnesty!!
What I dont understand is the link between Mwiraria's exit and the impending ODM implosion.
We are not hostage to ODM's unity orlack thereof. IF ODM crumbles sobe it. What does it matter?
What is important is that grand corruption be exposed and Kibaki exits sooner rather than later.
If all politicians are corrupt, then why not settle for the least corupt?
After all even with the sloth currently in, despite his abettment of grand corruption, resulting in the looting of no less than 16b, gross incompetence, life goes on.
Kenyans are becoming smarter day by day and things will improve.
The silver lining out of this sad Kibaki saga is that no amount of intimidation, ministerial protestations, posturing by the likes of Martha and Kituyi will remove our eyes from the prize.
I am just happy and celebrating the fact that the MKM will not lord it over us for a long time.
salvation is just around the corner
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Post by ndauosa on Feb 2, 2006 16:58:52 GMT 3
True corruption should be exposed in all ways and the perpetrators charged in the court of law. They should be made to repay whatever loot, Their properties should be declared and given back to the public.
Their is nothing like less corrupt, for it always start small.The solution is to enlighten the electorate on the values to go for in a leader. Getting another brand new team on board will be good for Kenya.
Hawa wazee wame tudhulumu kwa miaka mingi sana.
Kenyans wana amka, they are learning the hard way, which is good, things have never been smooth, but they are heading to the bright days. Baada ya dhiki... Mujinga aki erevuka.. Hawa wabwenyenye wata kula ngumu.
Otherwise pamoja tuta shinda.
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Post by job on Feb 2, 2006 18:43:55 GMT 3
Maina,
Salamu kutoka Kwangu! Mimi ni Mkenya bila shaka,..........I certainly agree with you that looting is looting, and therefore Ndwiga is no better than Mwiraria or Murungaru.
Now as for KCC (KCC2000) and Jitegemee that robs dairy farmers , co-operative society members & the general public,.......well,.........all I can say is that I cry for our poor country Kenya.
Every shark seems determined to loot, grab, and loot.
That brings to focus the need for a REAL CHANGE. That change MUST begin with the exit of Kibaki.
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Job.
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Post by ndauosa on Feb 2, 2006 19:08:05 GMT 3
Liberian president fires entire ministry
Thursday, February 2, 2006 Posted: 1427 GMT (2227 HKT)
What they should do to the entire ministry.
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Post by maina on Feb 2, 2006 21:39:46 GMT 3
Ndauosa – Yes, kudos to President Johnson-Sirleaf of Liberia. This woman knows what time it is……she will not have any of it. That is exactly what we need in Kenya too; an entirely new and righteous administration. Those folks worrying about “shocking the system” by electing an administration that is atypical and antithetic of the present and past ones, should get the knack of the Liberian President’s technique. The Kenyan way of simulating such is by ensuring fundamentally that KIBAKI MUST GO! That means that I concur with Job and Miguna.
With regards to your other matter of exposing everyone everywhere, a Truth and Reconciliation Commission will be beneficial in the spite of appearance, in unburdening us with those matters (my opinion).
Abdulmote, Sadiq, & politicalmaniac – We should not be merrymaking because of Mwiraria’s resignation. To be honest with you, it didn’t make me go to sleep any different last night. In other words, it is merely the theatrics of stooging at play here; pure flimflam by the President! Kibaki thinks that he is such a champion clip artist that we Kenyans will just play along in his confidence games. Besides, if Mwiraria took a lie detector test to ascertain the genuine reason behind his resignation and stood by his spiel, he will positively and noticeably fail heavily! The bottom line is that KIBAKI MUST GO!
politicalmaniac – your concerns are preoccupying. But let us be proactive and continue with the talk of stimulating and boosting ODM’s ability and performance. Kibaki has not yet shown us (the citizenry) that we matter. We are not even asking him for his attention anymore. ODM matters to us and we matter to them and as such, they are our only resource saa hii. But if ODM breaks up or collapses as you’re inquiring, then it’s safe to assume that the winning Kenya we all love will unmistakably resemble the likes of the Equitorial Guinea where their sappy, half-baked and moronic president runs everything in that country with his entire family and accessories, and continues to wins elections by 97% of the popular vote! My fellow comrade, this is a reality and it can only actualize if we the citizenry make it happen. So it’s about us, and saa hii we are meaning that KIBAKI MUST GO!
Kamale, it is therefore appropriate to surmise that we will live in fear if we want to. You and I seem to concur that Mwiraria’s resignation is merely just that. So, let’s just remain true to our cause; KIBAKI MUST GO!
Maina.
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Post by abdulmote on Feb 2, 2006 21:49:19 GMT 3
Where are the people?
Once again the time has come when our great nation of Kenya is confronted with another trying period in its inevitable evolution. Significantly and to the point, the government of Mwai Kíbaki has eventually demonstrated its utmost failure of trust and capacity for the electorates’ betrayal, as an obvious culmination of the incompetence of its dishonest and hypocritical leader! Never did Kenyans even remotely imagine that their hard fought ‘Second Liberation’ would end up like this in such an incredibly short period of time. All their historic and magnificent optimism experienced in December of 2002 is now but gone, only to be replaced by equally incredible pessimism, which has engulfed the nation and is certainly threatening to destroy our beloved nation. To be honest, much as I struggle to remain sober and objective about the unfolding events, I cannot help but be confronted with the stark reality which is not only frustrating and annoying, but actually seriously frightening and acutely depressing.
People, I cannot even get myself to expound on this right now. Let me take my time but please feel free if you can.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Feb 3, 2006 6:45:00 GMT 3
maina
what i meant about ODM vis a vis this post was that even if they crumble, life will go on and the search for a true coalition based on political philosophy will continue.
I am optimistic about that and as a country our future is bright. we are slowly learning that philosphical ideals are what will form the basis of future parties, not whimsical ideas like those of central MPs who for whatever reason want a coalition with KANU but not LDP.
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Post by johns on Feb 3, 2006 8:24:01 GMT 3
The bottom line is; kibaki must be forced to resign and charged for dereliction of duty and being commander in chief of thieves. Kenyans should not accept the proping of the pig and make believe it is a hippo.
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Post by abdulmote on Feb 3, 2006 11:45:38 GMT 3
"I am optimistic about that and as a country our future is bright. we are slowly learning that philosphical ideals are what will form the basis of future parties, not whimsical ideas like those of central MPs who for whatever reason want a coalition with KANU but not LDP." --politicalmaniac
Mwenzangu, I really admire your courage towards thinking 'positively' and trying to be 'optimistic' about us. But with the same token and ironically, I find myself feeling sorry for such thinking such as yours!
Tell me, how much of that "philosophical ideals" you are on about have you seen in Kenya so far? How far or realistically near are we as a nation, towards acquiring the true knowledge of the so called "philosophical ideals?
The truth is we are very far. So far are we that it will take years of true committment and dedication towards creating the kenya that we want, but unavoidably only by participation of each and every individual concerned as a citizen of Kenya. Only then can we start to talk of "learning" your "philosophical ideals"!
Maniac, can't you see? Can't you see how pathetic our political leadership is? Can't you see how corruptly reluctant they are when it comes to challenging Kibaki's crimes, or is it that you cannot see any crimes being committed?
Can you not see that the population seems to be almost like in a trance, watching the scandals unfold, in awe and confusion, not knowing which direction to go?
Do you not feel any vulnerability at all concidering the kind of leadership that we have? Are you categorically convinced that the true change is just round the corner? Have you seen any potential true leadership on the horizon which is genuinely and wholeheartedly committed in the fight purely for the common man and woman? Do you at all imagine that the public can change collectively without dedicated and true leadership to steer them? Or do you think we already have the right leadership in place?
My friend, I have never been afraid about my Kenya in my life as I am now. However "optimistic" I try to convince myself to be, I can only look at it as a self deception which has to be around for a long time to come.
But we shall have to keep on fighting. Fight till the last breath of the last man or woman on the people's side!
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