KIRAITU MUST CARRY HIS ANGLO-LEASING CROSS

[job]

Kiraitu: "BBC tape not credible"

Story by CHURCHILL OTIENO
Publication Date: 2/10/2006

Cabinet minister Kiraitu Murungi has questioned the credibility of a secret tape aired on BBC as proof of his role in slowing down investigations into the Anglo Leasing scandal.

He said of the tape: "I have listened to the alleged tape recorded evidence. It is truncated, inaudible, insufficient and inadmissible to form any credible proof of the allegations being orchestrated by Mr Githongo."

The minister instead shot a series of 36 questions to be put to former anti-graft czar John Githongo.

Mr Githongo was featured on BBC's Hardtalk show telling how Mr Murungi pushed him to go easy on Anglo Leasing and release payments for contracts where no goods or services had been delivered.

However, Mr Murungi's statement has completely skirted charges that he played a role in covering up the scandal and pushed for questionable payments.

The minister said Mr Githongo’s report, which has been repeated "over and over ad neuseam is part of a broader political scheme by the Opposition (Kanu/LDP – Orange Democratic Movement) to use an endless chorus of lies, rumours, hearsay and unsubstantiated corruption allegations to bring down the Government through a sustained hostile media campaign."

In his Press statement today, Mr Murungi said: "A lot of interest has been generated both in the print and electronic media by the purported release of taped evidence in which I allegedly tried to impede corruption inquiries by Mr John Githongo.

"I have today faxed the enclosed set of 36 questions to our High Commission in London, UK which should be put by the [Parliamentary] Public Accounts Committee (PAC) to Mr Githongo to test the authentic and credibility of those tapes.

"I shall make a comprehensive response on all issues raised by Mr Githongo against me, once I receive the PAC report."

Enclosed with the statement was the 36 questions, with a cover note to Kenya's High Commissioner to the UK, Mr Joseph Muchemi:

"I shall be grateful if you could pass the enclosed questions to the Government Chief Whip, Mr Norman Nyagah to put to Mr Githongo when he appears before the PAC tomorrow.

"We hope that this will bring to an end this opportunistic politicization of corruption by enemies of the Government."

Kiraitu's Questions:

1. When did John Githongo join TI (Transparency International)?
2. Is it true that he inherited his position in TI from his father?
3. Was his chairman at TI Mr Joe Wanjui?
4. Can he deny that he was appointed PS in the Office of the President on recommendation of Mr Joe Wanjui?
5. Mr Githongo's job was to advise the President on Governance issues. When did he turn out to be an anti-corruption investigator?
6. What was the function of Anti-corruption Police Unit and Kenya Anti-corruption Authority during Mr Githongo's tenure?
7. Did any Minister obstruct Mr Githongo in preparing or handing over his reports to the President?
8. Why did Mr Githongo record his conversations with his colleagues in Government? Was he a spy at the heart of President Kibaki's Government?
9. Apart from the Ministers referred to in the report, who else did he tape record?
10. Mr Githongo held meetings with Prof Anyang Nyong' and Raila Odinga. Did he tape those conversations? What are the contents of those conversations? Why are they not included in his report?
11. Can he produce an unedited transcript of all his recordings, including where he himself is talking?
12. How can we ensure that the records have not been "doctored" to serve certain interests? Can he make the tapes available for expert analysis?
13. Did Mr Githongo record his conversations with Sir Edward Clay at that time?
14. Can he produce a record of those conversations?
15. Mr John Githongo conducted inquiries of other matters such as Invesco in City Hall, the Goldenberg scandal and Pending Bills. Why doesn't his report include conversations on these matters?
16. Mr Githongo collected documents from Treasury showing that Anglo Leasing and Finance Co. had first entered into contracts with the Kanu Government in 2001. Why did he not ask the former Kanu Ministers who the Anglo-Leasing was? Who is he covering up?
17. Why has Mr Githongo deliberately omitted to connect the Kanu government with Ango-Leasing in his report? Why is he pretending that it is purely a Narc affair? Were the 18 Security contracts highlighted by Mr Githongo not subject of a Government Special Audit?
18. Out of the 18 security contracts, only four were concluded under the Narc Government. The rest were all under the former Kanu regime. Why is Mr Githongo deliberately playing this down? Are these contracts not the same as those in Clay's dossier? Why did Mr Githongo pass the report on these projects to Mr Clay instead of the President.
19. Mr Githongo and Uhuru Kenyatta have been holding secret meetings in London, the latest being last weekend. Can he release the tapes of these meetings? What was discussed at those meetings? Is he involved in a plot by the opposition to bring down Kibaki's Government?
20. Who is paying Mr Githongo's bill for his luxurious apartment in London?
21. Why is he so heavilly protected by the British Secret Service? What kind of visa is he on? Who is he working for?
22. Mr Githongo has severally talked about billions of shillings that COULD HAVE BEEN LOST through Anglo Leasing projects. How much money has actually been lost by the Government in the two Anglo Leasing projects i.e. the Security, Passports project and the Police Forensic laboratory?
23. Can Mr Githongo tell the Committee how much money Kiraitu or Mwiraria received from Anglo-Leasing projects?
*Since all the monies paid under Anglo Leasing projects was returned to the Treasury and Mr Githongo assisted in following those involved in the alleged conspiracy both in Kenya and abroad, why did he not give all the information he is giving now to KACC in 2004? Who obstructed Mr Githongo during his investigations out of Kenya? What did his investigations abroad reveal?
*Why did he not mention Kiraitu's name during those investigations?
24. In what circumstances did Mr Githongo's father - Joe Githongo - obtain a loan of Sh30 million from Mr Pereira through his lawyer Mr Malik?
25. What was the consideration for this loan?

26. Can Mr Githongo play to PAC the whole tape recording of the entire meeting where the loan was discussed? What did Mr Githongo tell Mr Kiraitu. Can Mr Githongo deny he is on a revenge mission against Mr Pereira for "fixing" his father and ruining his health?

27. During the compilation of the Ndung'u report, Mr Githongo was aware that the molasses plant and land valued at over Sh 3 billion was given to Mr Raila Odinga by the former regime at the throwaway price of Sh125 million during the political marriage between Kanu and NDP. Why does Mr Githongo not say anything at all about Raila?
28. Is it true that Mr Raila Odinga introduced Mr Githongo to Kroll and Associates? Mr Githongo spent Sh90 million with Kroll & Associates to trace "billions" stolen from Kenya and hidden abroad. How much money was traced and where? How much has been recovered? What happened to Kroll when Mr Githongo resigned?
29. Mr Githongo in his report says Mr Mwiraria told him on 17th May, 2004 that he would be killed by [name deleted for legal reasons]. Who did he report to? Why did he have to wait until after six months to flee the country from the date of threat, if indeed he feared for his life?
30. In his report he says that a senior politician had told him on 24th May 2004 that [name deleted for legal reasons] would kill him. Who is the unnamed senior politician? Is he afraid of naming him? Did he report this serious matter to the police: Why did he wait for six months before fleeing the country if he was in real danger?
31. The covering letter forwarding the report to the President states that the report is being forwarded as a result of information received by Mr Stanley Murage. Where did he meet Mr Murage? Did he record his conversation with Murage? Can we have the tapes?
32. The report was sent on November 22, 2005. If the intention was to assist the President to fight corruption, as it says, why did he wait a whole nine months before releasing it after he left the country? Could he have sent it in anticipation of a regime change after the referendum?
33. Is it true that Githongo would first give all his report to Sir Edward Clay before briefing the President?
34. Is it true that Githongo was a member of the Kenya Police Reserve?
35. Does Mr Githongo's conscience ever trouble him regarding the clandestine taping of conversations with friends and Government Ministers with whom he was serving the same Government and President?
36. Can Mr Githongo deny that all the way through, he was a spy for the British against his own country?

[aeichener]

Just hang him...

A.

[miguna]

Job,

Just going through the irrelevant and meaningless questions makes me want to throw up. Now I understand why this regime cannot do anything for Kenyans. If Kiraitu is incapable of asking intelligent and relevant questions - and I hear that he is actually a lawyer - then start imagining the kind of questions Njenga Karume, Nyachae, Michuki, Ndile - the works - will be asking. Kiraitu is not just corrupt; he is also incompetent. What does Githongo's father have to do with anything? Oh my! This man is a lawyer?

-Miguna-

[politicalmaniac]

Miguna, Job
Kiraitu just better shut up. What if the rest of the tapes were NOT truncated, BUT audible, sufficient and admissible? Wont he look even more silly and idiotic?

This AF issue is not ending soon.
Keep an eye on the seeming synergy of the tag teams of the parliamentarians who want to reconvene and the NGO's agitating for mass action

[kamalet]

miguna said:

Job,

Just going through the irrelevant and meaningless questions makes me want to throw up. Now I understand why this regime cannot do anything for Kenyans. If Kiraitu is incpable of asking intelligent and relevant questions - and I hear that he is actually a lawyer - then start imagining the kind of questions Njenga Karume, Nyachae, Michuki, Ndile - the works - will be asking. Kiraitu is not just corrupt; he is also incompetent. What does Githongo's father have to ndo with anything? Oh my! This man is a lawyer?

-Miguna-

Should not we be abit cautious when questioning the professional competence of others lest ours be questioned too?

Lawyers...ha ha ha!!!1

[eastman]

The questions posed by Kiraitu are besides the point, and the bulk of them are downright mischievious. In any event this is some kind of PR, not very clever!

[miguna]

Kamau,

That was the best response you could bring yourself to? Well, I welcome anyone to question my competence. That would be a very good thing. My friend, I wish to tell you that the Kiraitus and Kamau Kurias of Kenya CANNOT PLAY at my league! They couldn't even be Law Clerks in Boston the last time they tried.

The questions demonstatrate, more than anything else, that Kiraitu is TOTALLY CORRUPT AND INCOMPETENT.

I agree with the posting above (except yours) suggesting that Kiraitu's useless attempts cannot, will not and could not possibly "clear" the corrupt Kibaki government and its dirty members of Anglo Leasing, Goldenberg and other related scams. They have been caught and they will never get out this through some incompetent questions.

It is quite interesting that Kiraitu asks all the irrelevant and poorly crafted questions of Mwiraria, Raila, Murungaru, Clay, Wanjigi, Pereira, etc - but none on himself.

He never challenged Githongo on the "meetings," the authenticity of his voice or the "contents" of the reported conversations. In a way, his questions ADMIT everything Githongo has alleged. And during cross-examination, it is Kiraitu's questions that will do him in fatally. I must say that Murungaru was at least bang on regarding some principles of law. Kiraitu, on the other hand, does not know the difference between legal relevance, materiality and hearsay.

Below is an interesting set of answers Sang sent to me. And Sang does not even claim to be a lawyer. As I said elsewhere, I would love to cross-examine this inept loud mouth Kiraitu.

-Miguna-

Here are Sang's responses:

Minister Kiraitu’s 36 questions to Githongo - A Response
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1. When did John Githongo join TI?

ANSWER: This question has no relevance to the Anglo-Leasing scam. But if you must know, John Githongo joined TI in 2003. At the time, corruption at the judiciary, where you were the minister in charge, was rampant. Transparency International had been conducting surveys to determine the level of corruption in Kenya. Incidentally, this is what your Justice Ministry ranked in 2003 in relation to 38 other governments institutions:
A: Aggregate Index (1 being most corrupt, and 38 least corrupt) - Ranked 12 out of 38.
B: Likelihood of encountering a bribe - Ranked 10 out of 38.
C: Cost of Bribes - Ranked 7 out of 38.
D: Average # of bribes - Ranked 7 out of 38

Please refer to: www.tikenya.org/documents/BRIBERYINDEX2004.pdf

2.
Is it true that he inherited his position in TI from his father?

ANSWER: Yes. It is true. But please refer to #1.

3. Was his Chairman at TI Mr Joe Wanjui? Refer to #1

4.
Can he deny that he was appointed PS in the Office of the President on recommendation of Mr Joe Wanjui?

ANSWER: He probably wouldn't deny it. Aside from the fact that he was very competent in the job, he was probably appointed on the assumption that he was "one of us". You understand the deal - the "Aindu Aitu" syndrome, which your government has promoted since it came to power. But as Michela Wrong of the Guardian retorted, "this was a serious misreading of the man" on your folks' part.

5. Mr Githongo’s job was to advise the president on governance issues. When did he turn out to be an anti corruption investigator?

ANSWER: In 4/17/2005, the media reported that while speaking at Giitine Village in your Imenti South constituency, you stated that Githongo took the responsibilities of "supervising anti-corruption investigations" because KACC had not been established. You are the best person to answer your own question. It is surprising that you are now contradicting yourself. For a lawyer, this borders on ineptitude.

6. What was the function of Anti corruption police unit and Kenya Anti corruption commission during Mr Githongo’s tenure?

ANSWER: Very good question. Mr Aaron Ringera, whom you campaigned for very vigorously for the 2.5- million-shilling-a-month KACC job, even though he never applied for it, was your partner at your law firm of Ringera, Kiraitu and Kuria. You, no doubt, also remember your third partner, Gibson Kamau Kuria - the fellow whom, as the defense counsel at the Bosire's Goldenberg Commission was secretly leaking information to the accused, one Kamlesh Pattni, and at the same time, seeking business partnership for his brother with him. (You are truly an amazing lot). I would assume the Ringera would best answer your question, considering that despite the overwhelming evidence of corruption in the government, he has not done a thing to arraign those accused of corruption, including those who have been obstructing investigations. His most memorable performance was to spend time and money video-taping a police recruitment exercise. What exactly is his job? Again, good question.


7.
Did any minister obstruct Mr Githongo in preparing or handling over his reports to the president?

Yes. In fact, you may very well be familiar with him for there is ample evidence that you have been obstructing justice through threats directed at Mr. Githongo. Only a few days ago, the entire world watched in disbelief at the tapes played by the BBC in which you were the star actor issuing threats to Mr. Githongo. This, from the Minister of Justice and Constitutional Affairs. If this is not obstructing justice, then what is. In essence, the tape answers your question.


8.
Why did Mr Githongo record his conversations with colleagues in government? Was he a spy at the heart of President Kibaki’s Government?

Kenyans would not expect those involved in corruption to record their evil deeds. Kenyans are lucky to have had Mr. Githongo to do it for them. If this means he is the spy for the Kenyan people, so be it.


9.
Apart from the ministers referred to in the report, who else did he tape record?

ANSWER: Your question will be answered soon, when the rest of the report is released. You might wish you never asked the question.

10. Mr Githongo held meetings with Prof Anyang Nyongo’ and Raila Odinga. Did he tape those conversations? What are the contents of those conversations? Why are they not included in his report?

ANSWER: He may as well have. But right now, Kenyans are interested in your role in Anglo-Leasing. That's what the issue is all about. Not Raila, or Anyang Nyong'o.

11.
Can he produce an unedited transcript of all his recordings including where he himself is talking?

ANSWER: Again. The issue is not Raila or Anyang Nyong'o. It is about your role in the Anglo-Leasing Scam.

12.
How can we ensure that the records have not been "doctored" to serve certain interests? Can he make the tapes available for expert analysis?

ANSWER: These are unfounded accusations, so the burden of proof rests with you. Besides, you cannot deny the voice is yours.

13.
Did Githongo record his conversations with Sir Edward Clay at that time?

ANSWER: Irrelevant question. Please refer to # 10.

14.
Can he produce a record of those conversations?

ANSWER: Please refer to #10 and #13.

15.
Mr John Githongo conducted inquiries of other matters such as Invesco in City Hall, the Goldenberg scandal, and Pending Bills. Why doesn’t his report include conversations on these matters?

ANSWER: As the custodian of the law, perhaps you are best placed to answer your own question? Your partner, Aaron Ringera - to whom you campaigned so much, was in charge of KACC. What did he do about it?

16. Mr Githongo collected documents from Treasury showing that the Anglo Leasing and Finance Co. Had first entered into contracts with the Kanu government in 2001. When did he not ask the former Kanu ministers who the Anglo Leasing was? Who is he covering up?

ANSWER: Covering up? This is an abuse of terminology. The question is, who had been hounding Mr. Githongo to "go easy" on the investigations? Perhaps you forgot your conversation on 10 May 2004 when you expressed your worries that his investigations would "knock out key political people"?
When you reported that money had been refunded and that Anglo-Leasing was a "scandal that never was", who refunded the money? Why did you not disclose the names of the people who "refunded" the money? Secondly, it was reported that after the government contracted Kroll and Associates to track looted money, you suddenly considered amnesty for the looters. And then you claimed that it was getting harder to recover the money. Finally, you went totally silent on the issue. Kenyans are asking: What happened to the money you were tracing?
Or was the money in yours and your partners foreign accounts all along, and you got piqued by guilt and decided to refund some of the money?


17.
Why has Mr John Githongo deliberately omitted to connect the Kanu Government with Anglo Leasing in his report? Were the 18 security contracts highlighted by Mr Githongo not subject of a Government special Audit?

ANSWER: If in deed any member of the KANU government is found to have commited economic crimes, then he or she should should face the law to its fullest extent. That's the more reason why you should be charged for obstruction of justice, misprision of an offense, and possible commission of a crime. In any case, if you knew that the contracts had been awarded to phantom companies, why were you pressurising Mr Githongo to approve the payoffs?

18.
Out of the 18 Security contracts, only four were concluded under the Narc Government. The rest were all under the former Kanu regime. Why is Mr Githongo deliberately playing this down? Are these contracts not the same as those in Clay’s Dossier? Why did Mr Githongo pass the report on these projects to Mr Clay instead of the President?

ANSWER: For a lawyer, I am surprised at these questions. Again, please refer to #17. As for Mr. Clay's Dossier, your question has already been answered by Mr. Murungaru, the former Internal Security Minister, who has said that Mr. Kibaki was fully appraised of these questionable deals. Mr. Clay was simply stating what the president already knew.

19. Mr John Githongo and Uhuru Kenyatta have been holding secret meetings in London, the latest being the last weekend. Can he release the tapes of these meetings? What was discussed at those meetings? Is he involved in a plot by the opposition to bring down Kibaki’s Government?

ANSWER: Irrelevant question. Please refer to #10.

20.
Who is paying Mr Githongo’s bill for his luxurious apartment in London?

ANSWER: Irrelevant question. Please refer to #10. .

21.
Why is he so heavily protected by the British Secret Service? What kind of visa is he on? Who is he working for?

ANSWER: Irrelevant question. Please refer to #10.

22.
Mr Githongo has severally talked about billions of shillings that could have been lost through Anglo Leasing projects. How much money has actually been lost by the government in the two Anglo Leasing projects i.e the security passports project and the police Forensic laboratory?

ANSWER: Another good question. As former Minister for Justice, you are in the best position to give the answer to your fellow Kenyans. Enquiring minds want to know.

23.
Can Githongo tell the committee how much money Hon Kiraitu or Hon Mwiraria received from Anglo Leasing projects?

ANSWER: Another good question. Enquiring minds want to know.

Since all the monies paid under Anglo Leasing projects was returned to the treasury and Mr Githongo assisted in following those involved in the alleged conspiracy both in Kenya and abroad, why did he not give all the information he is giving now to Kacc in 2004? Who obstructed Mr Githongo during his investigations out of Kenya? What did his investigations abroad reveal? Why did he not mention Kiraitu’s name during those investigations?

ANSWER: You travelled with him to London, and inspected the Kroll Associates databases. You were the minister - his senior. You tell us where the money is.

24.
In what circumstances did Mr John Githongo’s father Mr Joe Githongo obtain a loan of Sh30 million from Mr Peter Pereira through his lawyer Mr Malik?

ANSWER: Totally flabbergasted as to the relevance of the question. Please refer to #10.

25.
What was the consideration for this loan?

ANSWER: Refer to #24.

26.
Can Mr Githongo play to PAC the whole tape recording of the entire meeting where the loan was discussed? What did Mr Githongo tell Hon Kiraitu? Can Githongo deny he is on a revenge mission against Mr Pereira for "fixing " his father and ruining his health?

ANSWER: Mr. Githongo, in his treatise to the President, says that he has a 91-page report that he is yet to release. Rest assured that its contents will come out sooner or later, and your wishes will be fulfilled.

27.
During the compilation of the Ndung’u report, Mr Githongo was aware that the molasses plant and land valued at over 3 billion Kenya shillings was given to the Hon Raila Odinga by former regime at the throwaway price of Sh125 million during the political marriage between Kanu and NDP. Why does Githongo not say anything at all about Raila?

ANSWER: This is irrelevant to the Anglo-Leasing scam. We shall also deal with the Ndung'u report when the time comes. Otherwise, refer to #10.

28.
Is it true that Raila Odinga introduced Mr Githongo to Kroll and Associates? Mr Githongo spent Sh90 million with Kroll and associates to trace "billions" stolen from Kenya and hidden abroad. How much money was traced and where? How much has been recovered? What happened to Kroll when Mr Githongo resigned?

ANSWER: Please refer to #23.

29
: Mr Githongo in his report says Mwiraria told him on 17.5.04 that Mr Jimmy Wanjigi would kill him. Who did he report to? Why did he have to wait until after six months to flee the country from the date of threat, if indeed he feared for his life?

ANSWER: On the same day this threat was issued, you had issued another one earlier on the same day - in the same office, where you told Mr. Githongo that "'people' were concerned whether he appreciated the political costs of his work. Why din't you yourself report these "people" to the police. After all, you were in charge of the Justice ministry, and justice for all, assumedly, was your concern..

30:
In his report he says that a senior politician had told him on 24.5.04 that Murungaru would kill him. Who is the unnamed senior politician? Is he afraid of naming him? Did he report this serious matter to the police? Why did he wait six months before fleeing the country if he was in real danger?

ANSWER: In the statement you are referring to, Mr. Githongo said: "He (Murungi), told me that Alfie Getonga was going around complaining openly about my work; Hon Kiraitu was accusing me of working for foreigners and Murungaru was threatening my life directly". Why is the name of the "senior politician" important to you?
The fact that you are pre-occupied with the opinions of the "foreigners" is proof that you were actively trying to cover up this massive scam.

31
: The covering letter forwarding the report to H.E the President states that the report is being forwarded as a result of information received by Mr Stanley Murage. Where did he meet Mr Murage? Did he record his conversations with Mr Murage? Can we have the tapes?

ANSWER: No. You got it all wrong. It is not Mr. Murage receiving any reports, but the fact that he informed Githongo that the past reports that Githongo had been preparing for the president had DISSAPPEARED! That's why he was preparing this report.

32:
The report was sent on November 24, 2005. If the intention was to assist the president to fight corruption, as it says, why did he wait a whole nine months before releasing it after he left the country? Could he have sent it in anticipation of a regime change after the referendum?


ANSWER: Mr Githongo has stated several times that he updated the president several times during his investigations, and yet, nothing was done. Why did this escape you?

33
: Is it true that Githongo would first give all his report to Sir Edward Clay before briefing H.E the President?

ANSWER: For a lawyer, and a minister for justice at that, you are engaging in speculation and rumor-mongering, which is simply mind-boggling. Can you provide proof?

34:
Is it true that Githongo was a member of the Kenya Police Reserve?

ANSWER: Irrelevant question. Refer to #10.

35:
Does Mr Githongo’s conscience ever trouble him regarding the clandestine taping of conversations with friends and government ministers with whom he was serving the same government and President?

ANSWER: The guilt here resides with those who have defrauded the Kenyan people. The Kenyan people placed all their trust in you and your colleagues in government. As long as you hold public office, you also have moral and ethical obligations to uphold the highest standards. Not only have you let them down, but you have also potentially broken the law. In a civilized world, if you break the law, you must face the law to its fullest extent.

36:
Can Mr Githongo deny that all the way through, he was a spy for the British against his own country?

ANSWER: Another attempt at rumor-mongering. Please refer to #33.

Sang.
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[johns]

@all,

I am simply getting sick and tired seeing how we entertain ourselves with "the thief defence syndrome". Ask yourself this question: Why are we consciously beating each other with words while nobody seem to be taking any responsibility for any wrongdoing? We see the commander of thieves peacefully patched at state house looking with amusement at kenyans and wondering what the fuss is all about.

Are we going to talk ourselves to death over these matters expecting kibaki to do something, knowing very well that he is apart of what is wrong with kenya? Kenyans have continued to show their restrain as far as judging the competency of this president, and have done so demostratively by asking the president to take the basic of responses like:
1) Fire the corrupt ministers so he can reconstitute a working body which would inspire back
confidence in government.
2) Call a fresh election which would usher in fresh minds and faces who might revive the
human spirit of trust in others.
3) Recall parliament so kenyans may be able to discuss these national emergencies through
their representatives
4) Asked kibaki to resign so fresh mandate may be bestowed on leadership.

Ladies and gentlemen, unfortunately our learned president has chosen to belittle or contemptously dismissed every suggestion offered by kenyans and everyone else. Now you be the judge, when faced with no option as it appears in this case, what are kenyans supposed to do?

I suggest that the time for appeasement or pumping sense into the old mans head is over. It is time to begin contemplating either armed struggle to remove this dictatorship or simply make kenya ungovernable by all necessary "other" means. This cancer must be removed at all cost before any healing can begin. No more talking and arguing, this is simply sickening.

If we all agree that kenya is a sick country and must be redeemed from all forms of demonic practises as exhibited by the present regime then cleansing becomes necessary and this often requires a bit of red spill which our streets must be washed with to atone for our compliance to the crimes of the past and present.

[pharlap]

This guy is so unbelievable. If he was wise, he should have just shut up instead of speaking out and making things even worse.

[maina]

johns,

johns said:

I suggest that the time for appeasement or pumping sense into the old mans head is over. It is time to begin contemplating either armed struggle to remove this dictatorship or simply make kenya ungovernable by all necessary "other" means. This cancer must be removed at all cost before any healing can begin. No more talking and arguing, this is simply sickening.

Your ideas are way too gagged up and nutts!!!!

Ala! Since when did Kenya become a Martial State?


Maina.

-unedited-

[johns]

Maina,

It is not my ideas which are kenyas problems but our compliace in their schemes and manipulations. Just state your idea of how we ought to deal with kibakis contempt for kenyas and may be yours might begin to make sense to you and others. I am waiting to hear them; Mr.maina.

Unedited.

[kamalet]

Kamau,

That was the best response you could bring yourself to? Well, I welcome anyone to question my competence. That would be a very good thing. My friend, I wish to tell you that the Kiraitus and Kamau Kurias of Kenya CANNOT PLAY at my league! They couldn't even be Law Clerks in Boston the last time they tried.

Miguna,

Once again be careful how you blow your trumpet....the world wide web has a way of turning its tail upon characters like you!

Kamalet

[miguna]

Kamau,

I'm still waiting to see that "tail" or your purported questions on my competence. I can guarantee you that you will never find any legitimate competence issues you can raise. But continue looking; maybe you will see Kiraitu's or Kamau Kuria's reflections facing at you...

However, your silly insinuations and threats will never deter me.

If this is the best "threat" you Kibaki damu can come up with, then poleni sana.

[unedited]

-Miguna-

[50cents]

www.nationmedia.com/dailynation/nmgcontententry.asp?category_id=1&newsid=67136

[veritas]

Obviously audible enough to air.. what, was he expecting a dolby digital supersonic crystal clear studio recorded symphonic masterpiece? …lawyers. Did he really say “ad neuseam?” how arrogant. Questions? Why did he bother? Is HE a spy for the Kenyan government?? Githongo should tell him to shove it sursum sursum cadus, wewe superbus I D(ten)t. (up up ass, you arrogant id10t).

[aeichener]

Not lawyers.
Kenyan lawyers.
Well, most of them, a few exceptions notwithstanding. Just look at the figure at the helm of Kenya's prime law firm, Fred Ojiambo (of Kaplan & Stratton). *Sigh*

A.

[job]

Folks,

I always say that Kiraitu Murungi is a better man with his mouth shut. Ooops!,....... he just opened it yet again. I guess he can't help it.

Didn't we hear that Kiraitu resigned,.....a resignation announced by none other than President Kibaki,........

Now listen to Kiraitu,....from the horses own mouth,......

While insisting to journalists that he didn't want to say anything to them, he went ahead ironically to announce to them something that is actually a News Headline grabber!!!!!!!

Below is an excerpt from The Standard,.......................

When journalists asked Kiraitu why he was in court, he stared studiously at the bank of microphones and said: "Gentlemen, you have harassed me so much. I do not want to say anything to you. Go and write what you want. I am a Kenyan like anyone else. There are many people here today and the court is a public place and the media has no right to ask why I am here. I do not want to talk to you."

He continued when interviewed further: "You are continuing with persecuting us. The media has accused me, got me sacked… What else do you want?"

..............end of excerpt

Did you miss it? the ........."got me sacked" part. So there was actually no resignation after all, this man was sacked,....in his own words.

Well, the prosecution of this man for corruption can be quite interesting,......this man could easily send himself to prison just by opening his mouth.

I can't wait for the day these guys will be prosecuted and made to pay back to the public in REAL & GENUINE trials,......not mock trials aimed at hoodwinking & pacifying the public.

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