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Post by politicalmaniac on May 6, 2006 0:42:03 GMT 3
Herein lies a major if NOT the major quandry and headache.
How will he manage to win the nomination battle? I dont see it happening if Raila is trully running. Amongst the party apparatchicks Raila has a better command of the troops. Witness they way he has been laying the agenda of late.
The thing he, KM, has to do, is convince the ODM leadership to "leave" it for him, that is leave the nomination for KM.
But in a bruising battle? I just wonder if he has the skills, guts, resources, and political I.O.U chips to draw upon, to win and still maintain the beleagured political outfit intact.
So the big question is, supposing he looses? will KM accept defeat or act a spoiler?
Boy, Kickback1 cant wait for ODM to implode and take advantage. These "polls" are a mischevious attempt to pre-rig KM in and cause headaches for ODM.
These "poll" are inflating KM's head with helium and pretty soon he will be bouyant and floating skywards with delusions of self importance and invincibility.
Kickback1 must be grinning like a cheshire cat whereever he is.
Perhaps this was what the two guys were discussing in SH during KM's infamous visit. How kickback1 can derail Raila while giving KM a "shot" at the presidency! Who the ef knows?
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Post by mzee on May 6, 2006 19:53:53 GMT 3
All KM wants is for Raila to say "Kalonzo tosha". As things stand, that will not happen. So, he has gone fumming and fumming for no reason
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Post by pharlap on May 8, 2006 2:14:06 GMT 3
Ain't gonna happen. "kalonzo tosha" it just aint happening. He can fume all he wants. Raila will only say the "Tosha" word if he knows that any other alternative will end in defeat.
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Post by politicalmaniac on May 8, 2006 17:55:18 GMT 3
Bottom line- there are lies, greater lies and then come the polls. Kibaki will pull through come 2007. No matter how many polls are conducted. He is messing with everyone now. Kalonzo.....he is nothing without Raila and a few other prominent leaders. I doubt he will make it at grassroot level
Phar
Going Back and forth on the "electability" of kickback1 is as frustrating as trying to jump start a phallus with ED.
I don't know what platform kickback1 will run on, I mean what will he tell us he wants to achieve? more AF scandals?, more failed constitutional reform referenda? more appointments for GEMANS? What? Do you expect him, kickback1 to venture out to the campaign trail and beg for votes? and where exactly will he traverse as he is vote shopping.
This major A-hole isn't even going to run. Is he ready to function as a backbencher? I don't think so!
Tribal arithmetic precludes kickback1 coming back.
Pure and simple. A lot of Kenyans' spirits were mortally wounded by the hyper arrogance of the MKM crowd. That raw wound is healing, but healing with a prominent scar. The scar wont allow the non-Gemans to forget. Time will heal the wound though.
He is passe as far as the future is concerned.
You are right about KM
My big fear is the Murugi plan, pre-rigging the Gema vote via ID cards and fraudulent voter registration
Sasa tungoje tu!
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Post by dubois on May 8, 2006 18:21:20 GMT 3
I am still amused to see how recklessly you rate Kibaki's chances of a comeback. If we have more than two presidential candidates in 2007, Kibaki's chances are as good as anyone's. It is surprising that most Kibaki haters choose to ignore history and common sense when analyzing 2007. firstly, it is unlikely that we will have less than four candidates in 2007. secondly, Kibaki's block will be more energized than any other candidate's for fear of losing ( recollections of the referendum) and for fear of Raila becoming president. Finally, if such conditions prevail, i think Kibaki will win.
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Post by kamalet on May 9, 2006 15:08:42 GMT 3
Dubois,
I call that rational thinking!!! It will be foolhardy to ignore the possibility of Kibaki coming back, and perhaps Pmaniacs worry should be how to counter that and not to dismiss it!!!
Kamalet
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Post by politicalmaniac on May 9, 2006 19:49:36 GMT 3
Posted by kamalet on Today at 8:08am
Dubois,
I call that rational thinking!!! It will be foolhardy to ignore the possibility of Kibaki coming back, and perhaps Pmaniacs worry should be how to counter that and not to dismiss it!!!
Kamalet
I Agree on that score, that kickback1 is not over and done.
Stranger things have happened in politics a la the 1992 GE when the original FORD looked headed inexhorably for a victory, but lost big time.
My question is why would people with their heads screwed on seemiingly right, like you Kamale, and dubois want kickback1 back?
What has he done surely to deserve a second term? Are you content that the non Mt Kenya folks have been systematically excluded from enjoying the fruits of our labour while your kinsmen stuff themselves silly at the banquet table? Are you applauding the scandals? Are you delirious that the constitution reform has been obstructed?
The key to this coming election will be who the oppostion will nominate and what the composition of the opposition will be. I am dismayed I cant project that far yet.
If the election were to be held right now, kickbak1 would be out of a job.
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Post by mossad on May 9, 2006 22:32:38 GMT 3
I tend to agree that incase of more than two candidates running, then Kibaki has a good chanse of winning re-elections.
But at the same time, i'd like to hear what other promises Kibaki will make to kenyans like the one he made to Mwenje. A full cabinet minister...Huh! HUh!
Mossad.
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Post by kamalet on May 10, 2006 10:27:53 GMT 3
Posted by kamalet on Today at 8:08am Dubois, I call that rational thinking!!! It will be foolhardy to ignore the possibility of Kibaki coming back, and perhaps Pmaniacs worry should be how to counter that and not to dismiss it!!! Kamalet I Agree on that score, that kickback1 is not over and done. Stranger things have happened in politics a la the 1992 GE when the original FORD looked headed inexhorably for a victory, but lost big time. My question is why would people with their heads screwed on seemiingly right, like you Kamale, and dubois want kickback1 back? What has he done surely to deserve a second term? Are you content that the non Mt Kenya folks have been systematically excluded from enjoying the fruits of our labour while your kinsmen stuff themselves silly at the banquet table? Are you applauding the scandals? Are you delirious that the constitution reform has been obstructed? The key to this coming election will be who the oppostion will nominate and what the composition of the opposition will be. I am dismayed I cant project that far yet. If the election were to be held right now, kickbak1 would be out of a job. Pmaniac, With a head screwed to my head, I actually would like Kibaki back, and there are many compelling reasons why I think so. You know very well that tribalism and corruption did not start with Kibaki and neither will it end with him. It matters little who is in power, they will still head hunt their kinsmen. What would worry me is when the people being employed are actually incompetent as was the case in the Moi error! What I have liked the man for is the way the economy has improved and yes hard working people have for the first time made money unlike in Moi's time when hard work never paid!!! But Kibaki cannot all the credits since Kenyans have been hard workers when there was promise of reward. I think you need to move away from reading politics around personalities since these people have no agenda for Kenya and in particular you and I. Do it the way the business people did it in Kenya. Kill politics and the patronage that comes with it, and the government will come to you for assistance in delivery of its programs! That is why businesses are prospering while politicians are stuck in rut!!! Can you see that??? |
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Post by 50cents on May 10, 2006 15:55:54 GMT 3
yes hard working people have for the first time made money
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Post by tambo on May 10, 2006 16:08:38 GMT 3
The only reason why businesses are "prospering" is because they belong to the governmet. They are all related to the people in the power corridors, and besides this if we are going for the economy, which can not run on it's own we should and can not just brush the masses aside. We saw what happened in Argentina during the Menem era. As the rech get richer the poor get poorer. Eventually the masses who are poor will revolt, against the few who run the economy. China's economy is doing well but, what is the price of labour. Slavery in the 21st cent. what is the benefit of a good economy when more than a half of the population earn less than a Dollar.
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Post by kamalet on May 10, 2006 17:51:39 GMT 3
The only reason why businesses are "prospering" is because they belong to the governmet. They are all related to the people in the power corridors, and besides this if we are going for the economy, which can not run on it's own we should and can not just brush the masses aside. We saw what happened in Argentina during the Menem era. As the rech get richer the poor get poorer. Eventually the masses who are poor will revolt, against the few who run the economy. China's economy is doing well but, what is the price of labour. Slavery in the 21st cent. what is the benefit of a good economy when more than a half of the population earn less than a Dollar. You surely do not expect that repeating a lie several times over will turn it to truth, do you? In fact so that we know you are not just doing exactly that, why dont you tell us those government firms that are making a profit? Also you might want to tell us how TPS Serena or even Nation Media group makes its money and it is not owned by government? If it is of any help to you, the business that I run is making more money that it did 5 years ago and I have no government affiliation and neither am I a contractor to the government. Let us be serious.... |
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Post by museveni on May 12, 2006 1:20:35 GMT 3
My advice to Kalonzo is that he needs to respect the tide of the current politics.
Raila has worked too hard to give up his ambition to lead the nation. His time is now, right after Kibaki. Kalonzo will be even more ready in 2012.
Raila cannot say Kalonzo Tosha after the NARC experience.
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Post by dubois on May 12, 2006 9:47:01 GMT 3
Pmaniac, Unlike Kamale, i dont have any wish for Kibaki to remain president let alone make a comeback in 2007. I believe we need strong leaders and Kibaki is definitely not one. However I dont even want to think of the alternatives. I will say it again; ODM and especially its Ldp wing is based on Gema bashing and nothing else. If you dont believe me just wait for the 2007 campaigns. Besides arent you the same Ldp fanatic who proudly proclaims ABBG?? How then can Kenyans allow a party based on ethnic hatred to ascend to the top? It reminds me of Germany in the early 1930s. Kibaki with all his tribal appointments has never openly expressed or encouraged anti-luo, anti-luhya sentiments. Just like Kibaki's government, Ldp will make another exclusive government made up of Luo, Kamba and luhya sycophants. Is that the progress Kenyans want to make in 2007?  |
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Post by emmo on May 12, 2006 20:17:31 GMT 3
Kamale,
YOu are of course ignoring the fact that most of the 'competents' in the Kibaki regime were also prominent in the Moi one. Or the fact that there are few if any economies around the world that are not growing today, and at a fast pace.
The other thing you neglect to emtion is that many of the reforms in the Publci Service were implemeneted by the Moi governemnt.It's like the case of New Labour taking credit for what Margaret Thatcher started and accomplished. Like I am always asking Kibaki's fans like yourself, what radical path has Kibaki got on that Moi was not already on. I happen to study these things and there's not a single budget of Kibaki's that has been radical.
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