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Post by enigma on Dec 9, 2010 21:44:09 GMT 3
Job,Ranneberger has poor sleuths doing the rounds for him. I am available to advise of some of the goings on for free. This MV Faina deal was brokered when Mary Wambui was nominated to act as the 'agent' for the Ukranians. These are arms are used surplus from the former USSR government. I will let you guess who nominated her. Without an authenticated and sealed End User Certificate from a recognised government ministry of defence, there is no way in hell arms of that magnitude would have been supplied to GoSS. That is how Gen Karangi comes in. He quickly instructed (recently resigned) junior officers to prepare documentation. In the military such orders are obeyed without question. Between Karangi and SPLM, the technical specs are agreed upon and the supplier promptly informed. In the meantime, not wanting to upset the coalition waters and knowing that the PM is a strong supporter (actually a founder and still active member) of the SPLM, Raila is quickly informed of the arrangements and as a GoSS sympthiser, he endorses the deal. Raila as PM is informed of these kind matters nearly on a daily basis. There are those he opposes and there are those he tacitly approves. This is 'normal' for people operating at that level. At the time the MV Faina was hijacked, the shipping of the massive assortment of arms was already 75% delivered, which means the cargo on MV Faina was just a quarter of what had already been shipped. Damned those somali pirates. As technical partner for Kenyan 'agent' and as the false end user, Karangi goes to Ukraine to inspect the cargo before it is shipped and approves the shipment. Kenya Government wires the payment, (on behalf of Goss), less the agent commission (normally between 10-25% of order value) and the goods are shipped and delivered to Juba. Deal closed every one is happy. One thing I want you to know is that there is NO government contract that can be signed by treasury without the express approval of Mary Wambui. She is the main trading arm of XXXX and their main deal broker in Nairobi. Her main contact and partner at DoD is Karangi. This is where Karangi derives his power that he uses to terrorise even the minister and the CGS. Any deal must be endorsed by her. It therefore means that if you are a businessman seeking to supply high value goods or services to GoK, the best bet for getting these done is her or her daughter. If the Artur Brothers know this, why not the sharp minds of Jukwaa? rannebeger needs to do deeper investigations. He will come up with the names of the companies involved, their directors and the exact order dates and value amounts of these contracts. From whats posted at wikileaks, it seems he only scratched at the top and relied on information from the media. Phil, Your intelligence gathering is quite impressive. I will leave it at that. In another Kenya, things might be very different.
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Post by shifta on Dec 9, 2010 21:49:48 GMT 3
All the while he portrays an image of a off-hands prezzo, which the press swallowed whole hearted. What Kibaki has seemingly done is sold off the next Kenyan generation to drugs, especialuy those in the Coast where drug usage has increased. These are the times I wish we had a Jerry Rawlings and fa.gilia hawa watu - imprison wote. I can not wait for 2012 and full implementation of the katiba.
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Post by enigma on Dec 9, 2010 22:12:33 GMT 3
On Chinese labourers migrating into Kenya, (alongside contractors) Ranneberger wrote:China's companies working in Kenya tend to import a substantial number of Chinese workers.
This importation of labor from China tends to limit the number of Kenyans who directly benefit with wages and knowledge transfer from the projects.
The low Chinese bids on major projects also push local firms out of the process, especially in infrastructure areas where capacity building of local firms would be useful.
In addition, the Kenya Wildlife Service (KWS) noticed a marked increase in poaching wherever Chinese labor camps were located and in fact set up specific interdiction efforts aimed to reduce poaching (see ref B). KWS also reports that 90% of the ivory smugglers detained at JKIA are Chinese nationals. I will recount a brief anecdote on an encounter I had with some of these Chinese workers. There is a highway being constructed to connect Kisumu through Kibos to Nandihills. The contract was given to China highway and Bridge Construction company. So one of the youth activists in my constituency organized a strike among the Kenyan workers over pay and accommodation conditions. I happened to be in Kenya at the time and I turned up at the site with my wife who is Chinese, but I left her in the car and approached the Chinese guys and spoke to them in my pesa mbili Chinese. The guys pretended not to hear what I was saying despite my repeated attempts. And then the wife comes out and asks them why they were mistreating local workers and why they just couldn't make use of the generous budget to reward the hardworking Kenyans properly. The guys go into this tale about slow disbursements and the like. But it turned out that the guys were just a front to buy tea and other commodities cheaply to be sent back China. Also turned out that some of the guys were not really qualified engineers and the most qualified of the lot was a fresh graduate of the equivalent of Civil engineering. So I wondered, If china is offering bilateral aid to Kenya, why cant they let our qualified and experienced engineers do the job and then they can just take care of oversight? In reality whoever they send is just there to see what can be sent back. China's efforts in Africa are indeed exclusively for the benefit of China. In addition, the tarmac they were laying came apart within the month and they didn't have proper graders and the like. They used manual labor to lay tarmac for stretches of the road. At one time a roads engineer from the ministry had to come with security reinforcements to stop the Chinese workers because the tarmac we ended up with was even more treacherous than the all-weather road they were trying to replace. Franklin Bett and Sally Kosgey turned up together at one point to inspect the project and prognosis wasnt the greatest. China dont do philanthropy. Its quid pro quo. All day, everyday.
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Post by gachquota on Dec 9, 2010 23:04:34 GMT 3
Well Raila was also wrong as far as I am concerned corruption is what will bring this great country of ours down.
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Post by shifta on Dec 10, 2010 4:38:11 GMT 3
In today's Nation (Fri. Dec. 10) Gaitho's anaemic reporting and analysis on Rannen-dude views on impunity titled, "Envoy claims Kibaki, Raila are beneficiaries of impunity" makes me thankful that I can access and read it myself. cablesearch.org/cable/view.php?id=10NAIROBI59&hl=kibaki----------------------------------------------------------------- Culture of Impunity Works to Forestall Fundamental Reform --------------------------------------------- ---------------- ¶5. (C) These are positive achievements, but most are only first steps. Those associated with the culture of impunity are working hard to limit the impact of steps taken so that they do not lead to truly fundamental reform that would threaten vested interests. Removals of key individuals, while in themselves significant, must be followed by real institutional reform. Several examples demonstrate the substantial challenges in bringing about institutional reform. Example 1: XXXXXXXXXXXX who blocks progress on high-level investigations and has ties directly to State House XXXXXXXXXXXX. The committee which considered replacements for XXXXXXXXXXXX picked someone who is a lightning rod to the vested Example 2: the process of police reform has been launched with great fanfare, but oversight of the process is questionable. The governmentXXXXXXXXXXXX is allegedly closely associated with the “kwe kwe” death squad responsible for extrajudicial killings. These examples are simply a few of many which demonstrate how the “culture of impunity” is, in effect, an informal system of governance that co-opts and/or forces others to participate or perish. To put it another way, the political elite are planning several chess moves ahead. While we are no mean chess players ourselves, it is very difficult to anticipate their next move or the motives behind “reform” steps.[/i] =========================================== What Rannen-dude observes is not necessarilty news it just confirms what we have known all. It makes it even more imperative that the fight against impunity can not be slowed. I think is this kind of shining light on their dark world that really scares the crap out of the "mta-do" crowd they are not just about to be called out, but in the case of ICC that someone is about to do something. However, impunity will continue to fight. ------------------------------------------------------ I wish the Kenyan press would focus more on the drugs leak. Kiabki is destroying the country thru his cronies.
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Post by kamalet on Dec 10, 2010 9:33:17 GMT 3
Job,Ranneberger has poor sleuths doing the rounds for him. I am available to advise of some of the goings on for free. This MV Faina deal was brokered when Mary Wambui was nominated to act as the 'agent' for the Ukranians. These are arms are used surplus from the former USSR government. I will let you guess who nominated her. Without an authenticated and sealed End User Certificate from a recognised government ministry of defence, there is no way in hell arms of that magnitude would have been supplied to GoSS. That is how Gen Karangi comes in. He quickly instructed (recently resigned) junior officers to prepare documentation. In the military such orders are obeyed without question. Between Karangi and SPLM, the technical specs are agreed upon and the supplier promptly informed. In the meantime, not wanting to upset the coalition waters and knowing that the PM is a strong supporter (actually a founder and still active member) of the SPLM, Raila is quickly informed of the arrangements and as a GoSS sympthiser, he endorses the deal. Raila as PM is informed of these kind matters nearly on a daily basis. There are those he opposes and there are those he tacitly approves. This is 'normal' for people operating at that level. At the time the MV Faina was hijacked, the shipping of the massive assortment of arms was already 75% delivered, which means the cargo on MV Faina was just a quarter of what had already been shipped. Damned those somali pirates. As technical partner for Kenyan 'agent' and as the false end user, Karangi goes to Ukraine to inspect the cargo before it is shipped and approves the shipment. Kenya Government wires the payment, (on behalf of Goss), less the agent commission (normally between 10-25% of order value) and the goods are shipped and delivered to Juba. Deal closed every one is happy. One thing I want you to know is that there is NO government contract that can be signed by treasury without the express approval of Mary Wambui. She is the main trading arm of XXXX and their main deal broker in Nairobi. Her main contact and partner at DoD is Karangi. This is where Karangi derives his power that he uses to terrorise even the minister and the CGS. Any deal must be endorsed by her. It therefore means that if you are a businessman seeking to supply high value goods or services to GoK, the best bet for getting these done is her or her daughter. If the Artur Brothers know this, why not the sharp minds of Jukwaa? rannebeger needs to do deeper investigations. He will come up with the names of the companies involved, their directors and the exact order dates and value amounts of these contracts. From whats posted at wikileaks, it seems he only scratched at the top and relied on information from the media. Phil Perhaps with all this information, you may want to tell us about the several meetings Raila himself holds with the Wambui woman and what they could be discussing! Do you know that small club at Karen that has nothing but an exclusive list of members who patronise the bar and is visited by the who is who in power? I am certain you know about this and are hiding the information!
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Post by tnk on Dec 10, 2010 10:10:10 GMT 3
Phil Perhaps with all this information, you may want to tell us about the several meetings Raila himself holds with the Wambui woman and what they could be discussing! Do you know that small club at Karen that has nothing but an exclusive list of members who patronise the bar and is visited by the who is who in power? I am certain you know about this and are hiding the information! vintage just plain awesome one of the reasons i joined jukwaa, i.e debate at an elevated thinking platform here is a demo of a classic bait if phil does not know of "this club", then he is out of the loop if he knows "the club", then there is a possibility of deceit unbeknown to the undiscerning, kamale is demonstrating that he is either a member of the exclusive club or is otherwise privy to the club and yet somehow does not reveal himself (classic central [m]tongoria), [deflecting attention] well played kamale over to you phil kamale: while waiting for phil's input maybe you could shed some light on how you came to know of "this club" [to be edited as soon as i get to some comfortable place to analyze kamale's text above]
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Post by kamalet on Dec 10, 2010 11:00:59 GMT 3
Phil Perhaps with all this information, you may want to tell us about the several meetings Raila himself holds with the Wambui woman and what they could be discussing! Do you know that small club at Karen that has nothing but an exclusive list of members who patronise the bar and is visited by the who is who in power? I am certain you know about this and are hiding the information! vintage just plain awesome one of the reasons i joined jukwaa, i.e debate at an elevated thinking platform here is a demo of a classic bait if phil does not know of "this club", then he is out of the loop if he knows "the club", then there is a possibility of deceit unbeknown to the undiscerning, kamale is demonstrating that he is either a member of the exclusive club or is otherwise privy to the club and yet somehow does not reveal himself (classic central [m]tongoria), [deflecting attention] well played kamale over to you phil kamale: while waiting for phil's input maybe you could shed some light on how you came to know of "this club" [to be edited as soon as i get to some comfortable place to analyze kamale's text above] Mintos I have been to the club several times!
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Post by tnk on Dec 10, 2010 11:05:32 GMT 3
vintage just plain awesome one of the reasons i joined jukwaa, i.e debate at an elevated thinking platform here is a demo of a classic bait if phil does not know of "this club", then he is out of the loop if he knows "the club", then there is a possibility of deceit unbeknown to the undiscerning, kamale is demonstrating that he is either a member of the exclusive club or is otherwise privy to the club and yet somehow does not reveal himself (classic central [m]tongoria), [deflecting attention] well played kamale over to you phil kamale: while waiting for phil's input maybe you could shed some light on how you came to know of "this club" [to be edited as soon as i get to some comfortable place to analyze kamale's text above] I have been to the club several times! that has nothing but an exclusive list of members who patronise the bar and is visited by the who is who in power? ?? who is you in power kind sir?
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Post by phil on Dec 10, 2010 12:03:33 GMT 3
Phil Perhaps with all this information, you may want to tell us about the several meetings Raila himself holds with the Wambui woman and what they could be discussing! Do you know that small club at Karen that has nothing but an exclusive list of members who patronise the bar and is visited by the who is who in power? I am certain you know about this and are hiding the information! On the contrary Kamale, this was not about the venue of meetings but about re-enforcing the wikileaks dossier on the saga of the MV Faina. I am sure even you agree on the lack of depth on some of the wikileaks diplo-reports which have been lifted right out Kenyan media pages. I would not call that intelligence. On the other hand, by virtue of their positions in society, Wambui and Raila meet every other day and discuss a variety of issues. I know of several exclusive clubs in the Karen area but in reality, that lady is surely on her way to building a fine war-chest before 2012. I am sure you know for which interests.
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Post by kamalet on Dec 10, 2010 12:20:48 GMT 3
Phil Perhaps with all this information, you may want to tell us about the several meetings Raila himself holds with the Wambui woman and what they could be discussing! Do you know that small club at Karen that has nothing but an exclusive list of members who patronise the bar and is visited by the who is who in power? I am certain you know about this and are hiding the information! On the contrary Kamale, this was not about the venue of meetings but about re-enforcing the wikileaks dossier on the saga of the MV Faina. I am sure even you agree on the lack of depth on some of the wikileaks diplo-reports which have been lifted right out Kenyan media pages. I would not call that intelligence. On the other hand, by virtue of their positions in society, Wambui and Raila meet every other day and discuss a variety of issues. I know of several exclusive clubs in the Karen area but in reality, that lady is surely on her way to building a fine war-chest before 2012. I am sure you know for which interests. Phil If she is as devious as you paint her on the Faina case, any chance they do not compare and exchange notes when they meet in Karen? Are people not judged by the company they keep? Kamale
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Post by okhunyanye on Dec 10, 2010 12:24:59 GMT 3
www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,733824,00.html 213.251.145.96/cable/2009/09/09NAIROBI1829.htmlHenry Kosgey masterminded post election violence - goes the shocker. He has also cost the USA substantial amounts of money through corrupt deals. 'The USA would love to see him ushered off the political stage or at least put behind bars'On Amos wako, "One can find an Attorney General who has successfully maintained an almost perfect record of non-prosecution. He accomplishes this through the most complex of smoke and mirrors tactics, seeking to appear to desire prosecution while all along doing his utmost to protect the political elites." On Ringera, Ringera can claim a perfect record of not investigating and convicting a single Kenyan government official. This is a remarkable tally in a country that is consistently ranked among the most corrupt in the world."
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Post by phil on Dec 10, 2010 13:12:51 GMT 3
PRIME MINISTER RAILA ODINGA STATEMENT ON WIKILEAKS
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Post by phil on Dec 10, 2010 13:22:07 GMT 3
Phil If she is as devious as you paint her on the Faina case, any chance they do not compare and exchange notes when they meet in Karen? Are people not judged by the company they keep? Kamale If you have been following my argument on the Sudan arms saga (which you vehemently dismissed from day 1), it has been to condemn the outrageous misuse of the seal of the government Kenya to issue an authenticated End Use Certificate to illegally order arms for a friendly semi-autonomous government in a neighbouring country. If you look at all of the people involved in this deal, who has the powers to do something as weighty as this and that which can easily drive the country to a neddless war? EUCs are issued by Defence Headquarters through the Ministry of State for Defence. Bearing in mind that the armament of SPLM by Kenya began before the formation of the grand coalition government. The BIG question therefore is; Who gave Lt. Gen Karangi such powers? If it is Mary Wambui who has used her proximity to power to pull such a dangerous deal, then she ought to be condemned in the strogest terms possible. Lt. Gen Karangi also ought to be asked to step aside and is certainly not worthy of being promoted to the post of the Chief of General Staff.
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Post by einstein on Dec 10, 2010 13:36:37 GMT 3
And I keep on wondering why our daily newspapers are not mentioning by name those clearly identified in the Wikileaks. What are they afraid of? For example, Murungaru and Kabogo are mentioned in the leaks, yet our papers report about the two as if they don't have the names! This is a conspiracy to cover-up what Assange leaked. What cowards! And we talk of a vibrant media. Bure sana.
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Post by kamalet on Dec 10, 2010 13:59:20 GMT 3
Phil If she is as devious as you paint her on the Faina case, any chance they do not compare and exchange notes when they meet in Karen? Are people not judged by the company they keep? Kamale If you have been following my argument on the Sudan arms saga (which you vehemently dismissed from day 1), it has been to condemn the outrageous misuse of the seal of the government Kenya to issue an authenticated End Use Certificate to illegally order arms for a friendly semi-autonomous government in a neighbouring country. If you look at all of the people involved in this deal, who has the powers to do something as weighty as this and that which can easily drive the country to a neddless war? EUCs are issued by Defence Headquarters through the Ministry of State for Defence. Bearing in mind that the armament of SPLM by Kenya began before the formation of the grand coalition government. The BIG question therefore is; Who gave Lt. Gen Karangi such powers? If it is Mary Wambui who has used her proximity to power to pull such a dangerous deal, then she ought to be condemned in the strogest terms possible. Lt. Gen Karangi also ought to be asked to step aside and is certainly not worthy of being promoted to the post of the Chief of General Staff. Phil If for a moment you stopped this obsession about Karangi and EUC's and looked at the leaked cables and the personalities involved, if indeed this woman was involved, then it would have been easy to back up your theory. Look at who was involved in the meetings (unless you now want to tell us they are all Karangi's marionnetes) and who the Americans were talking to and tell me how many times Karangi features or is quoted. Kianga and his people acknowledge the Americans had been in the loop in previous transactions involving arms for S Sudan and this matter only came to a head when Faina was hijacked. Wambui was not there prior to the CPA when arms were sent to S Sudan and that is why your suggestions are rather lame. Incidentally, how come the Americans do not know about this woman but seem to know the local character involved in 'shady' NSIS deals with the chinese? That is where you should have started from in your investigation! And when you are at it, care to respond about the dalliances of Raila and Wambui?
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Post by gachquota on Dec 10, 2010 16:29:22 GMT 3
Raila Odinga unfortunately is part of the anti-reformists according to Ranebaga.
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Post by mintos on Dec 10, 2010 16:39:02 GMT 3
ookaay now Raila hits out at Amb. Rannenberger in regards to the leaks, and the man is angry bwana. "We cannot accept a visitor to come to our country to tell us he wants to bring changes, (Kwani yeye ni nani. Na baba ya babu yake na babu ya baba yake ni nani na alitoka wapi katika Kenya?) Who is he? Who is the father of his grandfather and the grandfather of his father and what part of Kenya do they come from?” he queried in Kiswahili. www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/Kenyanews/Raila-hits-out-at-US-over-WikiLeaks-10846.html
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Post by mwalimumkuu on Dec 10, 2010 17:26:17 GMT 3
ookaay now Raila hits out at Amb. Rannenberger in regards to the leaks, and the man is angry bwana. "We cannot accept a visitor to come to our country to tell us he wants to bring changes, (Kwani yeye ni nani. Na baba ya babu yake na babu ya baba yake ni nani na alitoka wapi katika Kenya?) Who is he? Who is the father of his grandfather and the grandfather of his father and what part of Kenya do they come from?” he queried in Kiswahili. www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/Kenyanews/Raila-hits-out-at-US-over-WikiLeaks-10846.htmlI wonder what is riling Raila. To me there is nothing new in these leaks that warrant such an angry statement. Kenyans are already aware that the old guard has nothing new to offer and that’s why they are looking for a new leadership. They thrive on nepotism and tribalism. The public is all ware that none of these fellows is clean. They are all very corrupt and defenders and beneficiaries of impunity.
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Post by phil on Dec 10, 2010 17:30:47 GMT 3
Phil If for a moment you stopped this obsession about Karangi and EUC's and looked at the leaked cables and the personalities involved, if indeed this woman was involved, then it would have been easy to back up your theory. So Kamale, you think this is a simple matter? Already, when confronted with the accusation of breaching UN arms embargo, the Ukraine Government retorted that they cannot be held responsible for the actions of another country. That country happens to be Kenya. Do you actually fathom the ramfications of this matter? I need not repeat again what I had said yesterday. So you want the world to believe Kenya got involved in this without the knowledge of Lt. Gen Karangi? I dont think that even deserves a response. As for his connection to Mary Wambui.....one day you will say kumbe phil was telling us the truth! I think the American so called cables are a disappointment and an anticlimax. You just need to see who they are calling anti-reformist and status-quoist to know Ranebbeger is spending too much time with local civil society. He is not making good use of FBI officers on the ground. Something does not have to be said by the Americans to be true. Remember how they LIED to the world about WMD in starting the Iraqi war? I think you know the relationship Wambui enjoys with the powers that be in this country. It is not Raila as you are so desperately trying to prove.
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Post by bkichwa on Dec 10, 2010 17:51:17 GMT 3
www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,733824,00.html Henry Kosgey masterminded post election violence - goes the shocker. He has also cost the USA substantial amounts of money through corrupt deals. 'The USA would love to see him ushered off the political stage or at least put behind bars'On Amos wako, "One can find an Attorney General who has successfully maintained an almost perfect record of non-prosecution. He accomplishes this through the most complex of smoke and mirrors tactics, seeking to appear to desire prosecution while all along doing his utmost to protect the political elites." On Ringera, Ringera can claim a perfect record of not investigating and convicting a single Kenyan government official. This is a remarkable tally in a country that is consistently ranked among the most corrupt in the world." There have been several references on various threads in Jukwaa made of the Nandi "lion and three bulls" analogy, in which the lion's (Raila) bulls (close ODM political allies) are being strategically and unfairly attacked one by one by the nefarious PNU bunch. Well, from the looks of the cable info on Minister Henry Kosgey that is posted in the link above by Okhunyanye, it seems like Rannenberger must be part of the vindictive PNU. Below is the complete excerpt from the link that touches on the ODM Chairman. Yet another figure the Americans would like to see ushered off the political stage or put behind bars is Henry Kosgey, Kenya's current minister of industrialization. Kosgey is a long-time veteran of Kenya's political scene: He has held a seat in parliament on and off since 1987, he was head of Kenya's national insurance company until it went bust on his watch, and he has held positions as the minister of science and technology and as the minister for education. At the moment, he is involved in a scandal involving imported cars.
The dispatch includes references to unsubstantiated accusations against him: "Kosgey is ... accused of looting the real estate assets of former parastatal Kenya National Assurance Company (KNAC) when he served as its director from 1989 to 1992.... By illegally appropriating KNAC's most valuable assets, Kosgey reduced the company to an undercapitalized shell that ultimately collapsed.... As a result of the collapse of KNAC, 900 employees lost their jobs and thousands of Kenyans from all walks of life lost their pensions or did not receive insurance payments upon the deaths of beneficiaries."
'Participated in Incitement'
Yet another dispatch fingers Kosgey as one of the masterminds of the violent unrest following the 2007 presidential elections: The dispatch says that a report compiled on that violence "alleged that Kosgey participated in incitement, planning, and illegal financing of post-election violence in and around his rural constituency ... in the Rift Valley province.... Many workers and their families ... fled or were driven out of the area during the post-election violence."
Kosgey has also reportedly cost the United States a great deal of money: "Kosgey's diverse corruption activites over decades have negatively impacted US foreign assistance goals in a number of ways. His continuing ownership of illegally transferred forest lands, part of the greater Mau Forest which comprises Kenya's largest water catchment area, has contributed to ethnic conflict over land ownership in the Rift Valley, and has also contributed to deforestation and resulting drought and hunger that currently plagues Kenya. Donors, including the United States, have had to provide billions of dollars in emergency food aid to Kenya over the last four years of chronic drought."
Ministers like Kosgey and his ilk were long able to go about their business without much to worry about. That, though, looks as though it is changing. Lumumba says that he is currently pursuing investigations into four ministers and 45 other officials in semi-public office.
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Post by kamalet on Dec 10, 2010 17:57:51 GMT 3
I think you know the relationship Wambui enjoys with the powers that be in this country. It is not Raila as you are so desperately trying to prove. And what is your basis for denying Raila's liaisons with Wambui?
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Post by okhunyanye on Dec 10, 2010 18:06:05 GMT 3
It is emerging from those leaks that unlike his predecessors, the US has a lot of confidence in Dr. PLO Lumumba's ability to fight graft in Kenya.
The cables reveal, for the first time, exactly how the USA feels about people who have grabbed land in Mau forest. They are of the opinion that Mau grabbers are costing the US and other foreign donors money. On Henry Kosgey for example, the cables assert:
The leaks also give one of the clearest indications that one of the four ministers being investigated by KACC over allegations of graft is Henry Kosgey. The cables give a list of several scandals that he has been a part of, the latest involving imported cars. He is, for example,
An incitement charge is also leveled against Kosgey that may render his continued position as ODM chairman untenable. Kosgey, the cables insinuate, This is the first time that Kosgey is being directly put at the center of PEV financing. The ramifications of these allegations, particularly for ODM could be huge. Only time will tell.
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Post by kamalet on Dec 10, 2010 18:15:17 GMT 3
Okhunyanye
You have not had the last of these leaks, I can assure you and nothing so far has been written that would have made Carson extend a courtesy telephone call to the PM.
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Post by adongo23456 on Dec 10, 2010 19:01:12 GMT 3
Okhunyanye You have not had the last of these leaks, I can assure you and nothing so far has been written that would have made Carson extend a courtesy telephone call to the PM. Kamale & Okhunyanye
I think the WIKILEAKS are going to disappoint on the PEV. I personally don't know if Kosgey is in Ocampo's list which is coming out on Wednesday. I have my own hunch who is in there, but I will wait till Wednesday and also look at the evidence. I think Kosgey is also cited in the Waki report. Whether they found his case credible enough to land him in the Hague we will know next Wednesday. The Americans seem obsessed with those interfering with their interests. So they may make a statement or two about the possibility of people being involved in PEV within the context of their interets. The part where the Americans could really help in the PEV matter is if they intercepted communications between the organizers of PEV and if they have provided such interceptions to ICC. If Wikileaks can come with something like that then we are in business. Otherwise opinions do not matter. We need something like what they had on the arms deals. Those are verfiable information. On the whole the Wikileaks are providing us with a front row look at how the US runs the world. They are giving us some insights on how our leaders behave which is very good to know. But they have two problems. One is that this is America speaking. More often than not, America only serves the interest of America. So no bad leaks is going to come about the American government actions. You will not hear how they illegally make deals with governments to capture people and ship them to Guantanamo concentration camp. Somehow that stuff never reaches the cables. The other thing is useless generalizations. When they say Kibaki and Raila are corrupt, it would help to at least give out some specific deals that they can be pinned on. They don't even try to do that. How is that going to hep KACC take any action. I think in that Kosgey piece what is actionable is the corruption leaks. KACC should address that. There are names of companies and alleged activities. Kenyans already know these things but with concrete evidence KACC should act and carry out their own investigations. So yeah, I like the leaks but they are WEAKYLEAKS so far to me. adongo
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