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Post by b6k on Feb 23, 2011 23:54:13 GMT 3
Akinyi, actually you drew the parallel. As much as they are both human beings whose lives are valuable, I don't agree with you that the impact of their assassinations as political beings can be compared in the same breath.
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Post by akinyi2005 on Feb 24, 2011 0:08:48 GMT 3
Akinyi, actually you drew the parallel. As much as they are both human beings whose lives are valuable, I don't agree with you that the impact of their assassinations as political beings can be compared in the same breath. see, that is where we part ways. to me the human aspect is more important than the political impact
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Post by tnk on Feb 24, 2011 0:16:03 GMT 3
kamale and b6k, stop the siasa and tell me more about 'high value targets' if Millie is nothing on the political pecking order of who would be killed first in ODM. and kamale don't wish to dwell on this. we all know the late had fallen out with those that called the shots and he wasn't naive not to know what was coming. what with all the negativity and being referred to as mr 'president' not forgetting that his security was withdrawn a couple of days before that..... i could go on and on. akinyi these guys are playing with you it matters little whether one is classified as a high value target or low level target, when the bullet heads their way it has the exact impact and the exact same desired ending = death whether the assassin targets a wretched IDP, a squatter, a naked (or fully clothed) emperor. end result remains the same. we should be concerned if there are assassins out to harm fellow kenyans. period. this placing guys on some scale to determine high value low value is insane. all life is sacrosanct.
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Post by b6k on Feb 24, 2011 0:38:28 GMT 3
Akinyi & TNK, Joseph Stalin once quipped, "The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic. " To that I would add as callous as it may seem, the death of the right politician is a calamity whilst the death of the wrong politician would be a tragedy.
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Post by phil on Feb 24, 2011 10:44:20 GMT 3
Phil Sometimes you make it sound as if you are the custodian of Kenya's secrets...!!! Orwa Ojode has said that the matter is being investigated and so far no one has reported the matter to the police complaining about the two. The most important thing he said is that it was a criminal offence to make a false claim on such a matter as security. I hope he can carry this through and get the likes of Millie charged in court for false claims if the details of the two israelis cannot be established - of if Millie and company do not produce details of the mercenaries. Kamale If Saitoti is internal security minister and yet cannot confirm to parliament who ordered the withdrawal of Hon Kabogo's state body guards for two days? Saitoti can only confirm the guards have been reinstated but he cannot tell the house where they were for two days! And just WHO is the cabinet minister Kabogo says is the main drug kingpin in the country? Then here comes puppet Itere and he tells us that "that initial investigations showed that no Israeli was booked at the hotel where the PM stayed at the weekend in Mombasa". Surely, does Iteere think we are kindergarten children? Does these hotels have any capacity to tell if documents that guests use to check -in to establishments are genuine or forgeries? And would a professional assassin or mercenary use genuine documentation to book themselves into a hotel in which he intends to do a job? Like I and Adongo are telling you Kamale, Saitoti has no idea of the goings on in his ministry and he is not the final authority in so far as issuing orders are concerned. There is a much more powerful force running that ministry and that force is responsible for officially importing Paul and Tom into Kenya for unspecified mission. In picking Millie Odhiambo, the organisers of Israeli assassinations have pressed the wrong button. In targetting the ODM leader, they have chosen the wrong target. Watch this space!
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Post by mzee on Feb 24, 2011 13:46:33 GMT 3
There can only be one or two powerfull ministers in kibakis side of the GCG. (1) Uhuru Kenyatta (2) Michuki.
So who among the two is the drug don?
1. Tip> must be a heavy drinker and bang addict 2. Tip> must be ruthless and a former bone breaker 3. Tip> 1, 2 above
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Post by kamalet on Feb 24, 2011 18:40:44 GMT 3
Kamale If Saitoti is internal security minister and yet cannot confirm to parliament who ordered the withdrawal of Hon Kabogo's state body guards for two days? Saitoti can only confirm the guards have been reinstated but he cannot tell the house where they were for two days! And just WHO is the cabinet minister Kabogo says is the main drug kingpin in the country? Considering your ability to drop names and details (did you not claim the other day that Raila was running the phones talking to Obama and Cameron?!!), surely you can drop the name of the cabinet minister Kabogo would not name! But you know why you cannot? Because you have no frigging idea! Then here comes puppet Itere and he tells us that "that initial investigations showed that no Israeli was booked at the hotel where the PM stayed at the weekend in Mombasa". Surely, does Iteere think we are kindergarten children? Does these hotels have any capacity to tell if documents that guests use to check -in to establishments are genuine or forgeries? And would a professional assassin or mercenary use genuine documentation to book themselves into a hotel in which he intends to do a job? So the claim that was made by these ODM characters was that the two mercenaries were Israeli. Very good intelligence if you ask me - you have details of two caucasian men and who are Israeli (how do you tell an Israeli from a Lebanese or a Cypriot?). So the police armed with information about two Israelis going by the names Tom and Paul at the coastal hotel Raila was staying in the hotel says they have no such persons booked at the hotel. You get very helpful when you next ask how the police expected these guys who are mercenaries to use genuine documentation when booking into the hotel! Now do you see the problem you create for yourself? Raila's security failed to neutralise these threats and what happens? They find themselves near the shores of lake victoria harrasing Millie Odhiambo after failing to finish off Raila!!! Like I and Adongo are telling you Kamale, Saitoti has no idea of the goings on in his ministry and he is not the final authority in so far as issuing orders are concerned. There is a much more powerful force running that ministry and that force is responsible for officially importing Paul and Tom into Kenya for unspecified mission. .....and you are certain you do not want to share this more powerful name with us? So let us look at who is powerful at Harambee House. Professor Nick, Ambassador Muthaura or is it Kibwana? Come on tell us for I do no think these guys include Uhuru or Ruto for these would have been very easy names to drop by your standards!!! In picking Millie Odhiambo, the organisers of Israeli assassinations have pressed the wrong button. In targetting the ODM leader, they have chosen the wrong target. Watch this space! Hehehehe...I seriously cannot wait. On a scalee of one to ten, where would you rank Millie when compared with other leading lights from the region with perhaps more reason for elimination than her? If this powerful force surely is training his sight on the folk from the lake, surely would not good old James Aggrey be the more likely target? That is how laughable all this...I am afraid to tell you. Try something a bit more convincing.
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Post by phil on Feb 24, 2011 20:42:45 GMT 3
Considering your ability to drop names and details (did you not claim the other day that Raila was running the phones talking to Obama and Cameron?!!), surely you can drop the name of the cabinet minister Kabogo would not name! But you know why you cannot? Because you have no frigging idea! Refer to the other thread! We do not talk in a vacuum. Is that the security seconded to him by Saitoti and his god mother at the Internal Security ministry? Like I always tell doubting thomases like yourself, wait for the hague trials to start. Witness testimonies will shock you Kamale. Give it time, and you do not have to believe everything that Phil brings to Jukwaa, that is unless of course I have touched a raw nerve! Who is the most powerful personality in this country after the presidency itself? You go figure. Orengo is a battle hardened veteran who survived the repressive Moi days. Matiba is a living example of what Moi regime could do to opposition figures. And in case you were not aware Millie remains a gem to the ODM legislative agenda. She is also key in the party's drive for implementation of the new katiba. She is natural target for anyone who would not want the new constitution implemented.....yes the reddest f the water melons!
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Post by politicalmaniac on Feb 25, 2011 18:34:37 GMT 3
Akinyi, actually you drew the parallel. As much as they are both human beings whose lives are valuable, I don't agree with you that the impact of their assassinations as political beings can be compared in the same breath. Just wow! Are you serious ama you are joking? I hope this is not a statement made out of willful ignorance. Just google the name 'Bouazizi' or go his his Wiki page. And then see just how the death of a simple humble no name fruit vendor triggered this years most compelling political story. Bouazizi may be this yrs Noble Prize winner posthumously - I dont know if the nomination/selection rules allow that, but he should. He should also grace the Time Person of they Yr issue. So Dont dismiss Hon Millie just like that. If the mafiya take her down you never know what may happen. You just never know
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Post by b6k on Feb 25, 2011 22:00:24 GMT 3
PM you speak as if the MK mafia never struck before. In the heat of PEV, Mugabe Were was gunned down. Two days later David Too was brought down. Did it escalate tensions? Absolutely. Did it lead to the toppling of Kibaki or outright civil war. No. Two MPs were snuffed out & life hobbled along.
Kenya is not Tunisia. Unlike those arab states which have been autocratic for ages we have expanded the democratic space, even during the darkest hours of the nyayo era in fits & starts. That has acted as a release valve on a pressure cooker allowing for excess steam to blow off every so often. We even have a new constitution that can be used to work for us, if adhered to. It will take a lot more than a junior MP's death or that of a fruit vendor to set our powder keg alight.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Feb 25, 2011 22:26:33 GMT 3
Kenya is not Tunisia. Unlike those arab states which have been autocratic for ages we have expanded the democratic space, even during the darkest hours of the nyayo era in fits & starts. That has acted as a release valve on a pressure cooker allowing for excess steam to blow off every so often. We even have a new constitution that can be used to work for us, if adhered to. It will take a lot more than a junior MP's death or that of a fruit vendor to set our powder keg alight. Eti we have democratic space? Even during the dark hrs of the infamous nyayo era? During the P.E.V This is so oxymoronic Tell that to the Admin of this board who experienced 'the democratic space who was gladly welcomed in the underground torture chambers, and who in law was gunned down by Ali/Muthaura folks, simply because he wanted to enjoy his God given right of assembly and free speech. Tell that to Jukawaaists AO was also was a guest of the state at Kamiti just because he had an alternative opinion to the powers that be. Tell that to Hon Miguna. Stop insulting my mind please.
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Post by kamalet on Feb 26, 2011 0:26:18 GMT 3
Kenya is not Tunisia. Unlike those arab states which have been autocratic for ages we have expanded the democratic space, even during the darkest hours of the nyayo era in fits & starts. That has acted as a release valve on a pressure cooker allowing for excess steam to blow off every so often. We even have a new constitution that can be used to work for us, if adhered to. It will take a lot more than a junior MP's death or that of a fruit vendor to set our powder keg alight. Eti we have democratic space? Even during the dark hrs of the infamous nyayo era? During the P.E.V This is so oxymoronic Tell that to the Admin of this board who experienced 'the democratic space who was gladly welcomed in the underground torture chambers, and who in law was gunned down by Ali/Muthaura folks, simply because he wanted to enjoy his God given right of assembly and free speech. Tell that to Jukawaaists AO was also was a guest of the state at Kamiti just because he had an alternative opinion to the powers that be. Tell that to Hon Miguna. Stop insulting my mind please. To save you from your agony and ignorance, OO is in Kenya because he no longer needed to be a political exile. Oloo does his bit in Kenya plying his trade and contributing to the development of Kenya without fear of arrest or harm from government - and with no assurance that the thugs of Moi Avenue and elsewhere care very little for his democratic right to life and property. I am he will tell you that he would rather have that than state tyranny. You name Miguna who is now back living of the largesse of the kenyan tax payer with lots of freedom to call Kibaki what he wishes in the full knowledge that he will have a fitless night and his kids will go to some expensive private school. Perhaps his worry is the likes of Alfred Mutua and Kibutha Kibwana and all those lawyers he has called quacks. Now that is what is call expansion of democratic space. Democratic space is not lost when your idol Raila makes school boy mistakes and is shafted by Kibaki to the utter annoyance of those who worship him! Democratic space is not Raila being president of Kenya. Just ask the two guys you quoted and they will tell you what is democratic space!
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Post by b6k on Feb 26, 2011 8:19:10 GMT 3
PM, I thought your argument was more to do with the likelihood of all out civil unrest due to the snuffing of an MP & not about the inhumane treatment meted out in nyayo's house of horrors? I still submit that it would be unlikely that any of our 222 being gunned down by Israeli hitmen will lead to regime change. Were >>> Too = NARA. QED...
Kamale is right. Just because you have not yet achieved your preferred result in electoral terms does not mean Kenya hasn't changed since section 2a was revoked.
Egypt was in a state of emergency since the 1980's. Think about that kind of repression for a second. It would be as if Kenya were still in a state of emergency since August 1982 to the present day. That, my friend is absolute tyranny. The extent to which our freedoms have been extended, thanks in part to those who felt the wrath of nyayoism, is unique in the region. Look at our bill of rights. It's quite un-African. All we need to do is enforce it...which in itself is no mean task.
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Post by b6k on Feb 26, 2011 8:20:37 GMT 3
Sorry double posted
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Post by phil on Feb 26, 2011 13:47:23 GMT 3
PERSONAL STATEMENT WITHDRAWING OF SECURITY DETAIL FROM HON. MEMBERS
Mrs. Odhiambo-Mabona: On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I wish to rise on a point of order under Standing Order No.76. Mr. Speaker: Yes, you are entitled to do so, even at this stage. Mrs. Odhiambo-Mabona: Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish to address this House to the issue of my personal security and threat to my life. Mr. Speaker, Sir, on 13th February, 2011, while we were deliberating as Members of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs, I was given information that the Government intended to withdraw my personal security that is provided by the Government. I raised it with my Committee and decided to leave it at that. But later in the day, hon. Olago, who is also a Member of that Committee also got information through a SMS that the Government intends to withdraw his security. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I took it that it could only relate to the view and stand I had taken in relation to the nominations by the President, because I am not aware of any other reason why my security would have been withdrawn. I was asked by the media because I held a Press Conference why I have not reported to the police. I said because the police were the ones, who want to withdraw my security, I do not see the need. Mr. Speaker, Sir, on 19th February, 2011, I was travelling to Suba where my father was born to undertake development activities related to girls. I was accompanied by an Assistant Commissioner for the National Cohesion and Integration Commission, Ms. Mary and members of the CRADLE children foundation and private security because I did not trust Government security. On my way, I got further information that there were two Israelis of Artur Magaryan type that had come to this country and had met in a residence that I would not indicate now. The two Israelis whose names are Thomas and Paul, and whose telephone numbers I later received, were given instructions to eliminate the Prime Minister, the Speaker, hon. Odhiambo-Mabona, hon. Ababu Namwamba and hon. Olago.Mr. Speaker, Sir, when I got this information, I did not take it lightly. I reported the matter to Mbita Police Station. When I reported the matter to Mbita Police Station, I got very good co-operation from the OCPD, Mrs. Cherono Githinji. She actually gave me personal protection. She gave me a Land Rover full of police officers who were with me throughout my stay in Mbita. At about 11.00 p.m., as soon as the police left me, I was attacked by six men who were carrying AK47 rifles, pistols and swords. Those people were not locals for various reasons. First, they spoke very good English. In fact, they spoke superior English. They also spoke very good Kiswahili. Suba people do not have a good command of Kiswahili. It is a well known fact! Mr. Speaker, Sir, one of the surprising things is that when those guys were attacking us, they were very courteous, especially the leader. The leader was very apologetic. He told us that he was very sorry that he had to do that; it was not his wish; he is born of women just like me, and the woman I was with. He told us to relax. They were only doing their duty. They also gave us a message to Mr. Ojode. They told us to tell him not to ask that they be shot because they were not going to kill us. They should not be shot. So, I want to give that message to Mr. Ojode. The colleagues who were with me were there. Mr. Speaker, Sir, it did not escape my notice that they were treating me very specially. The leader insisted that I do not identify myself; they did not take my phones. They did not steal from me except my money. They were courteous and they returned my bag. In this country, when other hon. Members have raised issues of their security, or when issues have been raised and they have not been said loudly, people have died. Mr. J.M. Kariuki died! Dr. Ouko died! Mr. Mboya died! For Mrs. Odhiambo-Mabona, I am not dying without telling the world that people want to kill me. I will not be quiet; I will not be intimidated and I will stand for justice. (Applause) Mr. Speaker, Sir, one thing that people do not know about me is that I am a woman of faith. I want to quote from the Bible today. The Bible says: “That it is appointed for man to die once and after that, comes judgment.” The only thing I fear is God’s judgment. I do not fear man’s action. So, I want to tell anybody who wants to threaten my life that the Bible says: It is appointed for man and - in this instance - a woman, to die once. It is appointed and, therefore, it is only God who knows the date of my death. The reason I want to say this is because those guys got into the car. For the first time in my life - I always go in big cars – I went in a small car. The car was too small and they could not fit in. They tried to drive the car but it could only reverse. It could not go forward. It is God who took care of me! (Applause) Mr. Speaker: Order, Mrs. Odhiambo-Mabona! Normally, Statements under Standing Order No.76 are supposed to last not more than five minutes. You have already had six minutes and I am afraid you must conclude. Mrs. Odhiambo-Mabona: Mr. Speaker, Sir, could I summarize in one sentence? Mr. Speaker: Yes, you will have to do it in just a minute! You have had six minutes! (Several hon. Members entered the Chamber)
Order, hon. Members! Those who are coming in, please, do so quietly! (Applause) Order, hon. Members! Mrs. Odhiambo-Mabona, proceed and conclude in one minute. Mrs. Odhiambo-Mabona: Mr. Speaker, Sir, I wish you could indulge me because it is not every day that my life is in danger. Mr. Speaker: Order, Mrs. Odhiambo-Mabona! I have allowed you six minutes already. Please, conclude in two minutes! Mrs. Odhiambo-Mabona: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I will conclude in two minutes. In this House, Mr. Ndilinge said that his life was in danger but he was ignored. He was shot later and he died. Mrs. Odhiambo-Mabona’s life has been threatened. I was attacked! I will not be quiet. If those who want to kill me, they will find me. I have told you that I am a woman of faith. It is appointed for me to die once and after that comes judgment. The only judgment I fear is God’s judgment. Those who want to kill me, I live in Riverside. I will give them my address, let them come. The Israelis were given my address, the people I relate with, my itinerary and my daily work. They will find me and I will not enhance my security because I am only answerable to God. Let them kill me if they want. I will stand for justice even if I am the only man or woman standing. I will not be intimidated! Thank you!
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Post by phil on Feb 26, 2011 13:47:54 GMT 3
Political assassinations have more often than not always been used as a means to replace leaders seen as blocking high stake deals, or to eliminate political competition, or create social insecurity, further unpopular political agendas, or sometimes to instil fear and terror on civilian populations. That is why Kenyans must take the reported threats to ODM leaders very seriously. A high level political assassination at this time in Kenya could well easily take us back to 2008, or worse. Is it a mere coincidence or perhaps there is more than meets the eye here!? That is the BIG Q! First: Remember George Gichane Nderitu? He was the State House presidential police superintendent who was kicked out of statehouse last September by first Lady Lucy Kibaki. The first lady was upset that Nderitu and a statehouse subordinate staff had failed to take the president’s laundry to the recommended laundry at State House. Well, that the past. Nderitu has landed a diplomatic job as Kenya’s Intelligence attaché in Tele Aviv in Israel. He was among the 40 recently recruited diplomatic officers who underwent an induction course at the Kenya Institute of Administration this week before taking up the foreign posting. Second: Paul and Thomas, two Israeli hitmen currently in the country, are said to have originated from Tel Aviv, where coincidentally Mr. Nderitu now serves as Intelligence Attaché. Mere coincidence? Contrary to the report above, Mr. Nderitu was not sacked because of laundry issues, but simply because he was deemed to be too close to the second first family, headed by powerful second first lady Mary Wambui. Laundry, Catering, House Keeping, Grocery, Protocol matters at state house are hardly directly managed by senior presidential bodyguards, are they? The question is, how is one summarily dismissed as senior presidential security only to land a plum diplomatic posting weeks later, unless they have powerful forces looking after their interests? Third: Mary Wambui is widely acknowledged to be the one in charge of President Kibaki's business interests and the person to whom most senior PNU cabinet ministers first report to. So powerful is Wambui that cabinet ministers normally consult her before making any significant decisions in their ministries. Nderitu was Mary Wambui's right hand man inside state house. Mere coincidence?Forth: Interestingly, as we learn from the daring assassination of Hamas Commander Mahmoud al-Mabhouh last year at a luxury hotel in Dubai, Israeli assassins stalked Mabhouh for days and eventually suffocated him with a pillow after accessing his luxury hotel room in the dead of the night. This is a killing that has been described by intelligence community like "classic tradecraft" of Israel agents. We learn that world class assassins have moved away from sniper rifles and planting bombs, and are now in favour of discreet methods as spiking food/drinks or smothering with pillows after infiltrating personal lives of their targets.Thomas and Paul are confirmed by sources close to the PM to have booked themselves under aliases at the same North coast luxury hotel where Raila Odinga was to spend a night. Mere coincidence?In conclusion: As we await 'investigations' by the Ministry of Internal Security's specially formulated team into the saga, we must also keep an open mind and not drop our guard. We must remember that the same forces that control the parliamentary utterances and every move that Minister Saitoti makes, are the same forces that have been accused variously of being the major drug-dealers of Kenya; they are the same forces that co-ordinated the Artur's brothers forays into Kenya, they are the same forces that instigated the humongous Ango-Leasing scam, they are also the same forces that planned, financed and managed the revenge attacks on people perceived to be ODM supporters following the disputed presidential elections of 2007. Now you know why Raila Odinga is suddenly the most guarded personality in the country.
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Post by akinyi2005 on Feb 26, 2011 16:35:36 GMT 3
Amen Phil,
now to kamale, b6k and those that don't value human life - are you listening?
.....They were courteous and they returned my bag. In this country, when other hon. Members have raised issues of their security, or when issues have been raised and they have not been said loudly, people have died. Mr. J.M. Kariuki died! Dr. Ouko died! Mr. Mboya died! For Mrs. Odhiambo-Mabona, I am not dying without telling the world that people want to kill me. I will not be quiet; I will not be intimidated and I will stand for justice.......
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Post by b6k on Feb 26, 2011 16:52:36 GMT 3
"Contrary to the report above, Mr. Nderitu was not sacked because of laundry issues, but simply because he was deemed to be too close to the second first family, headed by powerful second first lady Mary Wambui. Laundry, Catering, House Keeping, Grocery, Protocol matters at state house are hardly directly managed by senior presidential bodyguards, are they?
The question is, how is one summarily dismissed as senior presidential security only to land a plum diplomatic posting weeks later, unless they have powerful forces looking after their interests?"
Interesting stuff Phil. I also asked a similar question about Caroli Omondi, RAO's former Chief of Staff who was sacked for stealing maize. I was horrified to see him still very active in the corridors of power whilst arguing whether the consultations between the principals were kosher. Both ODM & PNU are guilty of recycling cronies when it suits them.
I do agree with your comment on the possibility of a "high level" assassination leading to chaos. Where we part ways is what you consider high level (which has left Akinyi presuming that I do not value life).
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Post by b6k on Feb 26, 2011 16:58:05 GMT 3
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Post by nereah on Feb 26, 2011 21:55:10 GMT 3
my pesa mbili on this is as follows: moja:it is obvious that the top tier of kenyan political elites are under surveillance by foreign intelligence keen on the stability of east africa's largest economy.you get to know not just from the outcome of assange's embarrassing leaks but most significantly the partial dossier on kenya from ocampo's office. in fact the icc prosecutor's warning to the ocampo six against close association and threatening witnesses confirms the level of intelligence grasp and round clock surveillance on kenyan key personalities.this therefore means that as things stand now, any successful attempt on lives of key leaders would in all probability be in complicity or knowledge of foreign intelligence. mbili:my small mind tells me that mission such as the one our phil draws our attention to,is out of necessity elaborate if not complex meaning the operation take out agwambo(my phrase) may have been in earnest at the turn of the year. if this is indeed true,can we therefore draw a link to this curious incident www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000027358&cid=159 .those who claim to know say maj (Rtd) idris is second to none in his business. tatu:its not the first time that the israeli connection is being mentioned in this kind of murder plots. there were similar whispers in regard to mysterious disappearances and deaths of those linked to the killing of late minister robert ouko. recently in parliament,we heard of israeli connection in the drug cartel saga. i may be wrong, as usual.
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Post by mank on Feb 27, 2011 3:26:50 GMT 3
The thread that has never found an end since the name Kenya was coined is that of political extinguishment of lives. When a whiner about a dot in the sea of that truth happens to be at the helm of the government that could answer at least a few of the plethora of questions we subjects have on that issue, then I must wonder what we victims can do to help his own whining. Kids will cry loud to whoever they think is mother, even at the presumed "mother's" death bed. I look forward to when all who lead are grown up, and they baby-cry no more. If you chose to go to the battle field, be you worrior ... no toddlerish laments my lords!
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Post by kamalet on Feb 27, 2011 7:40:49 GMT 3
Phil
I think you stretch your imaginations rather long and in the process get it all wrong.
First let us look at some schoolboy mistakes that you make in your little plot:
The former head of presidential security Mr. Nderitu was not sacked but re-deployed back to the police force (GSU) from where he had been seconded. The re-deployment of Nderitu was not on account of laundry selection but actually the incident where Kibaki went for a function involving Wetangula's kid or something and Wambui was reported to be at the same function!
In diplomatic circles and Kenya is not any difference, there is no one designated as 'intelligence attache' as that would actually mean a formal government posting in a chancery. Intelligence officers are covered under dubious titles because they spy on their host country and not work alongside the local intelligence!
I am not sure how it escaped your knowledge that the police force and the intelligence service was delinked a long time ago with the NSIS recruiting its officers from the public rather than the police force as was the case in the past. If an intelligence attache was to be sent to any Kenyan foreign mission, then I would expect that guy to come from the NSIS and not the police.
For what reason would Kenya need to have an intelligence attache in Israel? I would like to imagine that if the intention was to achieve the plot you bring forth, then it would be more of a local operation between the killers and the local police and /or intelligence as you are suggesting. I see no connection between Nderitu going to Israel and Paul and Tom!
How about Wambui's alleged involvement in this saga? Are you suggesting that by creating a link to Wambui this plot extends to Kibaki's loins? Are you actually sure she in charge of Kibaki's business interests or only rides on her relationship with him to manage her own? Fortunately Kibaki is involved in publicly acknowledged businesses that include farms (which keep getting invaded) and others such as Heri and Deacons. Most of the management of Kibakis business is not even run by his sons and he employs managers to do this for him.
I find your fourth item very intriguing. Are you suggesting that for fear of the two guys spiking Raila's favourable tipple or even much worse being smothered with a pillow in his sleep, it explains why the PM's security spirited him away to another hotel?
When I read you conclusion, I sometimes Raila cannot be vey clever keeping that bungler called Dennis O'-something I cannot remember for you do a much better job of spinning. You make the plausible sound ridiculous and the ridiculous sound plausible!
You see the problem I have is that when the saga of the Arturs came to light, we had their pictures and could see them. In the case of these guys who speak good english and swahili and who find themselves in Suba, and all we know it is Paul and Tom - actually why not Avram and Gideon?
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