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Post by roughrider on Sept 13, 2006 18:29:51 GMT 3
I must apologize for using an objectionable term, ‘stupid’, but I couldn’t find a more appropriate term to describe the non sense that Cyrus Jirongo and a cabal of his hired tribal political henchmen have been spewing.
It appears to many casual observers that Jirongo – he of the dubious YK’92 fame - has finally found courage to waste some of the money he embezzled during his heydays; it is eating time in Western Kenya. But a discerning mind will trace puppet and purse strings from Jirongo’s arms, legs and mouth right through to Mr. Moi and Mr. Kibaki; both, respectively, former and current presidents of the sorry Republic of Kenya.
Also very annoying is that Mr. Jirongo is somewhat distracting me – gentle roughrider - from my current research interests – development economics – to debunk the silly, semi-literate mythology that he (and hirelings like that wannabe scribe, Barack Muluka) are breeding among the Abaluhyia.
There are several levels at which the quest for tribal Luhyia Unity can be dismissed arrant non sense and even noxious to common morality of the 21st century. Here are the first:
The Luhyia are not homogenous robots; they are a proud and diversified people with multiple talents. They can belong to different political parties, religious groups, speak multiple tongues and even subscribe to different development ideologies; they have intermarried and cross-pollinated extensively especially with their Luo brethren. Attempts to create empty, self-seeking Luhyia tribal unity in Jirongo’s ugly image is an attempt to destroy basic rights and freedoms of all Kenyans – the right to association and the right to expression.
Jirongo’s campaign is therefore inherently tribalistic – to think that the Luhyia can operate alone and only on the basis of tribe is to set us back 100 years; it is to ignore Barrack Obama’s recent entreaty at the University of Nairobi’s Taifa Hall on the illegitimacy and myopia of arguments based on tribes. I know that some Kikuyu brethren are behaving in similar fashion through expressions like GEMA, MEGA and Mungiki but this is not to say that it is right… it is repugnant.
Cyrus Jirongo’s political history speaks for itself – I can’t recall any single contribution to national discourse or development made by Mr Jirongo. Whether it is education, culture, religion, energy, business, sports, women’s rights, matatu madness, health insurance…ad infinitum; Jirongo has been mum. I only remember a grotesque interview about his polygamous family (three wives in three months!) Yet he suddenly crawls from hibernation and declares he wants to be president on a Luhyia tribal ticket? Luhyias are not fools; Kenyans are not fools. Nobody buys Cyrus Jirongos empty political rhetoric.
The unity and patriotism of tribes that Jirongo is championing must not be confused with the unity and patriotism of all Kenyans which we all affirm in our National Anthem.
Hear that? Nitazidi kusema.
More later….
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Post by politicalmaniac on Sept 13, 2006 20:08:17 GMT 3
The Luyhas are at a crossroads in terms of political leadership and expression and hence these Jirongo antics.
Give Jirongo his due. He has a constituency that ascribes to his view which can be summarized thus. GEMA has NARCK, LUO's - LDP, Kalenjins KANU, Kambas -LDP etc, and these groups are coalescing together in powerful blocks because they speak with "one voice" .
Thats a powerful message that appeals to the inner core of one's being especially a politicaly frustrated group as is the Luyhas. Jirongo has the temerity, the verve and the cash to exploit this opening. After all he has a play book to go by, that of Ruto.
Now ODM has the advantage that It has MPs already on the ground in Luyha land, Its transforming itself into a powerful national machine, and its an alliance of large voting blocks. What Jirongo aims to do is to join ODM with his backyard block as one and use that as a bargaining chip for the spoils of 2007 election. Jirongo is calculating enough to know that he cant do it using the Kombo model. He want to get into ODM real baaaaad!. But he wants to join ODM as a senior partner, something Kombo cant do.
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Post by roughrider on Sept 14, 2006 11:07:03 GMT 3
Maniac,
Unfortunately, you and I belong to a new generation that should not give in to those tribal machinations you refer to. I do not think the way forward is for tribes to have parties. This is pre-historic barbarism.
Yes, lofty ideas premised on tribal loyalties are powerful ideas but that does not mean they are good and right. Mungiki is a very powerful idea, do we agree with it? How about Nazism? Or the tribal conflagration that was Rwanda in 1994?
Populism is only good when it coincides with national interest and unity.
Perhaps you have noticed that for this very reasons; odm-k strategists shunned the idea of corporate membership for individual membership. One does not join as a party and there is no ‘bargaining’ as a tribe. Indeed there are no senior partners and no junior partners.
Finally, we need to recognize that people like Jirongo are only spreading their gospel because we do not have proper regional devolution structures to focus communal energy on development rather than tribal politics.
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Post by kamalet on Sept 14, 2006 14:17:20 GMT 3
RR,
Let us be real for a minute.
Kikuyus will always coalesce around their own when in a corner. Ruto is using the Kalenjin vote to bargain in ODM, Raila is using the Luo vote, Kalonzo the Kamba vote. Jirongo will do exactly the same whether he bargains with NARC-K or ODM. Even Ruto will move with his Kalenjin vote to the grouping where his personal interests will be served best. Is that what not Raila has done all along when he was party hopping?
That is a sad reality and as long as we the Kenyans agree to be used as tribal pawns, these political washerati will continue to dominate us. That little boy abandoned by the father many years ago from Illinois cannot for a single moment understand the political psyche of the Kenyan! His comments despite being very wise for the Kenyan to follow are a waste of time - its like Kibaki or Moi telling us that corruption is ruing the lives of Kenyans!!!
The big question is. Can you and I shun this line of tribal thinking as well as the leaders leading us along that path? Can you say you will not support NARC-K or ODM for the simple reason that they are both premised on a tribal agenda, and instead identify yourself with say something like Sisi kwa Sisi which you can reform to avoid the tribal tag the major parties are getting today?
I do not think so!
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Post by mossad on Sept 14, 2006 16:02:36 GMT 3
I think Jirongo is just wasting time as he runs around trying to popularise his name. He should remember what really happened to Mudavadi when he ditched NARC, and rejoined kanu. Now for the sake of the Luhyias vote in ODM, i believe that Mudavadi is the one carrying that flag and so Jirongo is just a Johnny come latey...
Mossad.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Sept 14, 2006 20:57:46 GMT 3
@ Kam
So what did you want the little boy senator to say? Nothing? Agree with the status quo? What? Doesnt he have a stake in our history and future well being? Has he not a riht to comment?
All he did was enunciate the truth! That the MKM/GEMA led regime has done NOTHING to foster democracy (harrass and jail journalists, dilly dally with party registrations, ban rallies , doctor wanjiku's Bomas draft) , done NOTHING to control (not even eradicate) corruption. It has failed miserably dont you think?
As for tribalism, how many times must I and other sane memebers of this forum state historical facts? That as of 2002 elections, Kenyans refused to be hived into tribal voting blocks and unanimously elected a multi tribal coalition. But what happened? The coalition crumbled because your kinsmen thought they were very smart and started shortchanging the rest of the NON-Gema members of the summit. Hence the walk out by LDP and the continued grumbling by the short punctured quickly fading Kombo et al.
We need a comprehensive review of the constitution that will level the playing political field and ensure meritrocacy and the rule of the law. Then, and only then can tribal inclination be made irrelevant as far as the body politic is concerned.
@ Rough
You sentiments are very well reasoned out and I agree with them.
@ Mossad
I just think ODM has an advantage but they cant just sit pretty.
Its Kombo's F-K that I worry about. I just see this party withering day be day. Already one MP that I chat with once in a while has left F-K and is shopping ODM and Jirongo! The other day Kombo called a meeting and only two MPs turned up. They met for 6hours! dman what were they talking about all this time? This venerable party is on the rocks!
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Post by job on Sept 15, 2006 4:06:33 GMT 3
Folks,
Do not trust Jirongo even for a minute. This man is a Kibaki-Moi mole out on a mission to sabotage ODM's chances in Western.
He has been sent with full moneybags to disrupt ODM activities in Western through sheer populism; the clarion call,..... ati "Luhya unity" . He has promised to deliver a great chunk of Luhya votes to Kibaki,........... the YK-92 way.
Behind him is his bossom friend for many years,....Kipruto Arap Kirwa who has literally connected him to the State House mandarins.
I happen to know both these fellas personally,.......... right from our schooldays at Mangu.
Kirwa was the Dining prefect. I can safely see consistency in Kirwa's character today. He has always been petty and mouthy,.....I'm not surprised he ended up a politician. He took up that prefect-assignment so seriously that he forgot his main priority at Mangu. Of course I had my run- ins with him over very petty issues. Eventually, this man from the hills of Cherangany was not to see the Lecture halls of campus. He ended up detouring from the mainstream academic journey,........to an Agricultural diploma institution somewhere I can't remember.
As for his friend Jirongo who was pretty much a quiet geek,.....with thick/fat rimmed glasses to boot,......I never would I have imagined Jirongo as a politician. I don't see his horn-rimmed spectacles today,.....I don't know whether he wears contact lenses. He's no longer the quiet guy but a populist politician. That surprises me. That he helped milk Kenyan coffers through dubious YK-92 financial activities,...that also surprised me. So what i have learnt lately from him tells me something significant.
That Jirongo makes himself relevant and quite visible when general elections approach. That he will always gravitate towards the moneybags- meaning the incumbent President (with the promise of delivering the Luhya vote). He's a super political conman. He's all about his stomach. Trust Jirongo at your own peril. Nimesema!
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job
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Post by politicalmaniac on Sept 15, 2006 5:35:01 GMT 3
@ Job, This is so funny, was "Nyam Nyam" the math teacher in Mangu then? Just goes to show one can make it to the uber-riche status in Kenya without top notch academic credentials but with the right connections.
But on a serious note your analysis makes sense. Thats why NARCK and Baknista hanger on's are terrified of a run off scenario allowing R to take the sloth head on.
ODM, if things go as planned will be transformed into an electoral behemoth and just as the sun pulls other celestial bodies towards it, it will pull western into its orbit of electoral pool of votes.
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Post by kamalet on Sept 15, 2006 9:26:26 GMT 3
@ Kam So what did you want the little boy senator to say? Nothing? Agree with the status quo? What? Doesnt he have a stake in our history and future well being? Has he not a riht to comment? All he did was enunciate the truth! That the MKM/GEMA led regime has done NOTHING to foster democracy (harrass and jail journalists, dilly dally with party registrations, ban rallies , doctor wanjiku's Bomas draft) , done NOTHING to control (not even eradicate) corruption. It has failed miserably dont you think? As for tribalism, how many times must I and other sane memebers of this forum state historical facts? That as of 2002 elections, Kenyans refused to be hived into tribal voting blocks and unanimously elected a multi tribal coalition. But what happened? The coalition crumbled because your kinsmen thought they were very smart and started shortchanging the rest of the NON-Gema members of the summit. Hence the walk out by LDP and the continued grumbling by the short punctured quickly fading Kombo et al. We need a comprehensive review of the constitution that will level the playing political field and ensure meritrocacy and the rule of the law. Then, and only then can tribal inclination be made irrelevant as far as the body politic is concerned. about all this time? This venerable party is on the rocks! Pmaniac, I think you are living a lie!!! I find it strange that you now blame the kikuyus for the endemic tribalism we see today and continously ignore what is clear and around you! It is not the kikuyus that have a problem, it is Kenyans themselves. Why are you not condemning the recent rallies in western kenya aimed at rallying Luhyias together - whether around Jirongo, Kombo or Mudavadi being irrelevant? Why do you ignore tribal chieftains like Raila, Ruto or Kalonzo? The Kikuyus have their own and so do other tribes!!! That is the SAD political reality of our beloved Kenya! When Kenyans went to the poll, they did not forget their tribes. They were carried as tribes towards defeating a common enemy - Moi and Kanu. Kibaki had his kikuyu vote, Wamalwa his Luhyia vote and Ngilu her Kamba lot. The Rianbow crusaders did exactly the same when going into the infamous MOU. The current schism you see in NARC is a clearly drawn line of what was within the NARC set you! So the Kikuyus are in NARC-K and the Luos in ODM. Is their membership in the parties driven by tribalism or nationalism or even remotely ideology? Go figure Pmaniac! |
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Post by roughrider on Sept 15, 2006 13:34:14 GMT 3
Kamale,
It is wrong to argue that the Luo or the Kikuyu are in this or that party and therefore the Luhyia should behave similarly. I understand that it is populist, it is pragmatic and it may achieve short term political results but it is not right... and yes, there is evidence to suggest that filthy era is comming to an end
I believe the Luhyia can be catalysts for detribalizing politics in Kenya… Certainly the 2002 elections and the referendum have shown that bitribal voting patterns are possible in Kenya; the Luo, the Kamba and the Luhyia voted resolutely for a Kikuyu president, did they not? You will be pleasantly surprised at how capricious tribal affiliations become when real issues are put on the table - this is the challenge that you and I need to rise to rather than throwing your hands up and declaring a fait accompli.
But to humor you -and expose the ludicrity of your views - lets explore Luhyia tribally, a bit more.
Why should we stop at Luhyia? Luhyias are not a distinct tribe – they are a conglomeration of several tribes. Cyrus Jirongo comes from a very small one called the Tiriki and as such he cannot be the one to talk for bigger groups like Maragoli, Bukusu, Samia, Idakho, Isukha, Marama, Wanga Tsotso, Saamia, Bunyore etc
And belive me some are as different as day and night.
Better still why can’t we have a Maragoli presidential contenter, a Bukusu contender and a Nyore contender? surely they can argue separately, can't they?
Don’t you see how ridiculous tribal politics is going to become in Kenya? Further, tribal inter-marriage among the younger generation is putting paid to arguments based on tribes; for which tribe does a half-Kikuyu, half-Luo kenyan in the street belong to?
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Post by job on Sept 15, 2006 16:29:49 GMT 3
P/maniac,
Sure indeed -with nostalgic memories. P/maniac, we have witnessed the minting of overnight-billionaires under Kibaki's watch. It's all about connections, relations, and ethnicity stupid! You may have noticed that most of the thieves in the current Kibaki administration are terrified of an ODM electoral success in 2007 primarily due to fear. The Kirwas, Kituyis, and Murungarus of NARC-K are ready to do anything to have Kibaki stay on -for their protection. That 2007 poll will determine their fate,.....either a continuation of their luxurious lifestyles ,...or a trip to Jail. I can foresee some real jail terms for many of these fellas.
R/Rider,
You basically brought forth a very important point that illuminates the political realm of Luhyaland. There are many tribes in the land of Omulembe. A Maragoli may not necessarily agree with Bukusu politics and vice versa. The real tribes thus become the Maragoli, Bukusu, Banyore,.....and the rest of the 13 Tribes.
Kamale,
You don't need to go far to find out who is a tribalist. Tribalists are generally folks whose cereba are filled with chauvinistic feelings of superiority and invincibility and also people who are adept hate mongers. They hate and look down upon those who are not "our own" (To paraphrase Michuki). You may realize that they have that obvious distinction- their talk is basically always a form of hate speech or expression of contempt.
I'll quote a typical example of a hateful and contemptuous speech ( yaani speech depicting hate towards one who is not "our own" ) typical of that definition.
"That little boy abandoned by the father many years ago from Illinois cannot for a single moment understand the political psyche of the Kenyan! His comments despite being very wise for the Kenyan to follow are a waste of time "..........
Sounds familiar?
Yours sincerely,
Another "little boy wasting his time"
Job
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Post by politicalmaniac on Sept 16, 2006 2:16:29 GMT 3
@ Kamale
You missed the whole point of my piece and put words in my 'mouth'
Listen, If only the present GOVT had carried over the sprit of 'oneness' seen in the 2002 election, where a grand coalition of tribes rooted out Moi, and fostered it, and natured it, we would be well on our way to replicating the Tanzanian social model of, country first, tribe later.
But what happened?. The chauvinsts amongst your kinsmen short circuited the reform process, enhanced favoritism, and basically as Job put it above, started refering to the presidency as "ours" and pitting "us" against "them". Basically they embarked on a demonization process of anyone questioning why the MoU was not adhered to, or why only Gemans were getting the juicy jobs, or why mostly Gemans were being recruited in the Armed forces and Police etc!
Little did these idiots realize that they were tearing the country apart at the seams! Thats is what GALVANIZED THE ENTIRE COUNTRY TO REJECT THE GEMA DRIVEN WAKO MONGREL! 42-1 was the score!
I didnt claim that Kikiyus (the leaders that is) invented tribalism, neither do I claim they perfected it, but boy are they close to doing so!
What I said is that it is under their watch that the opportunity to snuff out the ugly visage of tribalism was lost, and instead they enhanced it, for their own selfish gains.
I am very angry at the political leaders from your community. I hate their arrogance, despise their 'me first' approach, and loath their irrational self assurance (we shall rule for 11yrs says Njenga, the barely literate Defense minister).
Kamale just face reality.
There is a deep anti Gema sentiment (specifically anti - Gema leadership) running in the psych of the non-Gema communities. Thats the sad truth. Need it be this way? NO! Its just the way things are.
That is why the call for electoral reform will be opposed by your kinsmen. The scenario where your president get 50% is just not there on the first ballot. And if he goes against R in round 2, he is toast. You know it, I know it and the MKM know it. By the way R IS VERY ELECTABLE, VERY ELECTABLE INDEED!!
Is it any wonder that the call for elelctoral reform is being primarily opposed by NARCK and Baknistas?
Now your president is going to my back yard over the weekend.
Speculation is rife that the political landscale will undergo 'convulsions' post this visit. He he he, I just laugh at these kind of misplaced hyperbole from the press who want to sell their papers.
R and ODM will be there in Western, next weekend and the pendulum will swing back to where its supposed to be. Strongly ANTI - NARCK. Let me emphasize again. NARCK is swimming upstream in Western and Coast (remember the debacle of the title deeds that made your president run away from Coast? and make J Khamis return home to LDP?). NARCK will probably not get an MP in Western, and obviously NOT in Nyanza.
You may not understand (or want to understand or know) just how deep the antipathy to regime is, but let me tell you as succinctly as I can Kamale, this regime is despized to almost Moiesque levels.
@ Job who was the math teacher (A-level) then in Mangu ?
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Post by politicalmaniac on Sept 16, 2006 6:49:03 GMT 3
@ Kamale I am sure you read this article. Then compare with my article above. Enjoy it please. Thanks www.timesnews.co.ke/16sep06/nwsstory/opinion.htmlCurrent political war not Luo-Kikuyu rivalry By FRED NZIVO MUTUNE I think the best explanation for the current political atmosphere in Kenya can not be said to be merely Luo-Kikuyu rivalry despite the sexiness of the idea. I believe the best explanation can be found in the Narc coalition of 2002 and what happened after Kibaki took power. The majority of Kenyan tribes voted for Kibaki in large numbers except Kisiis and Kalenjins whose majorities voted for Ford People and Kanu. When Kibaki took office and instituted MKM which reneged on the MoU and killed the Narc Summit, most Kenyans who voted for Kibaki felt betrayed and not Luos alone. From there on the coalition mood in the country deteriorated culminating into the defeat of the referendum. The defeat of the government in the referendum was not a Luo-Kikuyu affair either, because again the Oranges, like the Narc-Kanu contest earlier, received votes from all tribes except the Gema tribes which voted for the Banana. After the referendum, Kibaki still had a chance to unify the country but unfortunately he decided to build a bunker out of his tribesmates and hunker in. Kibaki surrounded himself completely with his trrirbesmen and it became clear that his sympathies were no longer seriously for an all-inclusive national government but one tilted in favour of his ethnic Kikuyu. Yes, he had some leaders from different communities like Raphael Tuju, Kivutha Kibwana and Mungatana but Kibaki could not fool anyone because these people looked more like plastic flowers to decorate more of a Kikuyu government than a government of national unity. In comparison with the ODM-K where you find a true representation of all Kenyan tribes in that party, Narc-K is virtually a reincarnation of the DP with a few unpopular leaders from other parts of the country. In a recent incident in Ukambani, Kalembe Ndile had to takeoff with his tribesmen in hot pursuit. Tuju has to arrive in Kisumu in the middle of the night and Mukhisa Kituyi could not finish a sentence during a ceremony in Kitale without being booed by his own people. In other words the Narc-K party does not have popular leaders from other communities? In conclusion, this is really not a Luo-Kikuyu fight of Oginga Odinga and Kenyatta of the ’sixties. Do not forget that Luos voted for Kibaki in 2002 almost man to man and by a higher percentage than even his own Kikuyu vote. This is a new fight unfortunately spearheaded by a certain Kikuyu segment who are nostalgic of the Kenyatta era when Mzee ruled with a council of tribal elders and nobody could do anything about it. When multiparty and free and fair elections came, other Kenyan tribes were forced to do some calculations and the hard reality they found was that they could not go it alone and win the presidency in a fair and free election as a tribe. There is a certain segment of the Kikuyu leadership surrounding President Kibaki who seem to believe that with their numbers and their money they can win an election if they all vote as a tribe with just few votes here and there to get the 33%. This is why the minimum reforms are so important because it will require the president to garner 50% plus to win an election. At 50% plus, all tribes including the mighty Kikuyu will have to seek strong coalitions from elsewhere. It is when people are forced to seek coalitions and the nature of coalition give and take that will force the tribalists to abandon their parochial politics in order to attract others. After reneging on the MoU, everyone has learnt their lesson and therefore the coalition building will require a lot of trust |
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Post by kamalet on Sept 17, 2006 15:17:42 GMT 3
Kamale, It is wrong to argue that the Luo or the Kikuyu are in this or that party and therefore the Luhyia should behave similarly. I understand that it is populist, it is pragmatic and it may achieve short term political results but it is not right... and yes, there is evidence to suggest that filthy era is comming to an end I believe the Luhyia can be catalysts for detribalizing politics in Kenya… Certainly the 2002 elections and the referendum have shown that bitribal voting patterns are possible in Kenya; the Luo, the Kamba and the Luhyia voted resolutely for a Kikuyu president, did they not? You will be pleasantly surprised at how capricious tribal affiliations become when real issues are put on the table - this is the challenge that you and I need to rise to rather than throwing your hands up and declaring a fait accompli. But to humor you -and expose the ludicrity of your views - lets explore Luhyia tribally, a bit more. Why should we stop at Luhyia? Luhyias are not a distinct tribe – they are a conglomeration of several tribes. Cyrus Jirongo comes from a very small one called the Tiriki and as such he cannot be the one to talk for bigger groups like Maragoli, Bukusu, Samia, Idakho, Isukha, Marama, Wanga Tsotso, Saamia, Bunyore etc And belive me some are as different as day and night. Better still why can’t we have a Maragoli presidential contenter, a Bukusu contender and a Nyore contender? surely they can argue separately, can't they? Don’t you see how ridiculous tribal politics is going to become in Kenya? Further, tribal inter-marriage among the younger generation is putting paid to arguments based on tribes; for which tribe does a half-Kikuyu, half-Luo kenyan in the street belong to? RR, I think you need to correct this statement that the Luo, Luhyia and Kamba voted for a Kikuyu president. That is plainly wrong! Kibaki was a compromise candidate and was certainly not promoted as a kikuyu candidate by any of the parties that went in to form NARC. Secondly, I think you are playing Moi politics when you suggest that there are many tribes that make up the Luhyia community. I think these are sub-tribes as you would have in the larger Gikuyu community! In the same manner the Bukusus or Maragolis have a different political identity, it is the same identity that you will see of Kiambu, Muranga or Nyeri politics. But would the Luhyias become the detribalising factor? I do not think so. If Mudavadi is the candidate for president with real potential, then the tribes you talk about will be different - pretty much the same thing for the kikuyus in 2007 should Kibaki be the candidate! |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Sept 17, 2006 23:46:52 GMT 3
RR, I think you need to correct this statement that the Luo, Luhyia and Kamba voted for a Kikuyu president. That is plainly wrong! Kibaki was a compromise candidate and was certainly not promoted as a kikuyu candidate by any of the parties that went in to form NARC. Kamale For a so called consensus candidate why isnt he governing as one?, your president governs as a kikiyu president to the boot!. He aint my president for sure. This is not the guy I cast a vote for! |
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Post by roughrider on Sept 18, 2006 17:41:42 GMT 3
Sunday 17th September, Mumias town was the latest scene of another macabre act in this continuing theater of the absurd. The message was crystal clear: Luhyias are supposedly 2.5 million voters, greater than Luo or Kamba, they can pick a tribesman to be president. Wait! NOT president of luhyialand but of Kenya. Reminds me of Radio Télévision Libre des Mille Collines (RTLM) in Rwanda preparing the people for genocide. If you are talking of tribal unity, why should you refer to another tribe as lesser or fewer? Is it now democracy that the president must of necessity be from the larger tribes? Sooner or later the government will have to decide whether it will put a stop to tribal mobilization or not.
But ordinary patriotic Luhyia are seeing through the tribal charade.
Kamale will also have to decide if he agrees there was an MoU creating collegiate presidency that was breached or if Kibaki was elected directly by the masses; hitherto we have been under the impression that he labored under the latter viewpoint.
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Post by politicalmaniac on Sept 18, 2006 23:35:12 GMT 3
Folks, Do not trust Jirongo even for a minute. This man is a Kibaki-Moi mole out on a mission to sabotage ODM's chances in Western. He has been sent with full moneybags to disrupt ODM activities in Western through sheer populism; the clarion call,..... ati "Luhya unity" . He has promised to deliver a great chunk of Luhya votes to Kibaki,........... the YK-92 way. Behind him is his bossom friend for many years,....Kipruto Arap Kirwa who has literally connected him to the State House mandarins. unedited job Job, R was quoted repeating the same sentiments you expressed above And the Math A level teacher during your time in Mangu was? I'll keep asking till you reply |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Sept 18, 2006 23:40:01 GMT 3
Sunday 17th September, Mumias town was the latest scene of another macabre act in this continuing theater of the absurd. The message was crystal clear: Luhyias are supposedly 2.5 million voters, greater than Luo or Kamba, they can pick a tribesman to be president. Wait! NOT president of luhyialand but of Kenya. Reminds me of Radio Télévision Libre des Mille Collines (RTLM) in Rwanda preparing the people for genocide. If you are talking of tribal unity, why should you refer to another tribe as lesser or fewer? Is it now democracy that the president must of necessity be from the larger tribes? Sooner or later the government will have to decide whether it will put a stop to tribal mobilization or not. But ordinary patriotic Luhyia are seeing through the tribal charade. Kamale will also have to decide if he agrees there was an MoU creating collegiate presidency that was breached or if Kibaki was elected directly by the masses; hitherto we have been under the impression that he labored under the latter viewpoint. RR I pray that my kinsmen will see thro the smoke and mirrors of these con men and stick with ODM. I'll be heading back home in a few weeks and will see first hand whats going on. |
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Post by job on Sept 19, 2006 5:23:45 GMT 3
P/maniac,
Forget it. My rules on personal disclosure to the public are very basic. I know just how much to volunteer publicly. I clearly understand the use of reverse psychology & witful engagement to extract (or volunteer) personal information. Try this,...... you could figure out my exact age through other avenues,...better avenues like initiating a private (not public) discussion......if you can't just estimate. I particularly know the exact transition you want to establish to extrapolate x from y. Really smart.
The difference is this, I log into jukwaa as Job Obonyo,........and that happens to be my name, not just a handle...............you on the other hand posts as Politicalmaniac. Now,..... let's be realistic, how am I to distinguish that politicalmaniac is not actually Kibaki, or Artur Margaryan in real life,...or even the ex-cop Kamau. I hope you get the drift on a light note.
Back to what this post is all about,............True indeed. Jirongo is all about exciting the Luhya electorate and unwittingly sherperding them towards Kibaki's NARC-K,..... using tons of looted money provided by Kibaki.
Just look at the timing. Where has he been since 2002 and on who's coat-tail has he been clinging ? What is his stand on devolution and empowering the people of Western? What about his take on distribution of the national cake? Is he ready to boot-lick perpetrators of skewed allocations & Anglo-Fleecing for the sake of his tumbo or he's ready to take them on?
Jirongo is simply using the Luhya name to bargain for his tumbo the YK-92 way. He knows he has done nothing for ODM and may be considered a johnny-come-lately,.....who comes in when the ODM battles have been fought and structures built,........so he calculates that he's better scuttling it's efforts & influence in Western ,...........by acting as a one-man toll station into Western province,.........as he extorts money from NARC-K which has been openly rejected in Western. I assume you know this (your backyard stuff ) better than me,...unless of course,....if you are Amwayi wa Chivachi of Othaya.(on a light note)
I give it up to Jirongo for creating some real political excitement though,........through deceipt & organized confusion,...........even leading the ever-lost Kombo into his scheme,.........but I predict when the voters finally realize whom they're being asked to vote for,....(Kibaki),.....it will be another avalanche of rebellion,......Jirongo will by-then be billions richer , and Narc-K may not get any votes after-all.
Job
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