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Post by Onyango Oloo on Oct 25, 2006 20:56:04 GMT 3
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Post by kamalet on Oct 26, 2006 11:05:47 GMT 3
Perhaps my views are calluos but I have always a negative thing about trade unions.
I am a firm believer in proper remuneration for my services for the organisations that I have worked and everytime I felt that I was not getting fair pay from my employer, I moved on. I think going to the employer to haggle over pay is expecting me to be charitable to the employer!
So with the lecturers, they have claimed that they are lowly paid and deserve a ridiculous 600% pay rise. Here is my advice to them. Why do you guys feel so charitable to the universities you teach. Why not follow those that went to those universities you claim pay that well?
Going by the scandals involving Kenyan lecturers such as sex for marks or cash for marks, they do not deserve much more than they are getting and perhaps explains why they cannot attract attention beyond our borders!
Get back to class, negotiate sensibly and you may be rewarded.
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Oct 26, 2006 13:30:41 GMT 3
if i said i was shocked by your response, i would be lying.
thanks for your feedback.
Onyango Oloo
Nairobi, Kenya
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Post by kamalet on Oct 26, 2006 17:38:45 GMT 3
Oloo, I did caution though that my views could be callous! Unfortunately I have dealt with similar situations even in my office where I will offer an employee a chance to seek greener pastures than I am offering! On that basis alone you can accuse me of being consistent  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2006 18:32:48 GMT 3
Kamalet you are full of it!
So many lectures and other trained people do leave the country for places where they can make a living wage. Why should Kenya train people who have to leave?
Lucky you. Ati you get to move on whenever you're unhappy with the terms of your employment . The majority of workers don't have this as an option. So, do you suggest that they shut up and work? Well, if everyone just moved on rather than taking on the employer, there'd be too many folks, it would be the whole of the working country. And where by the way would these women and men be moving on to?
But you Kamalet are "... a firm believer in proper remuneration for my services..."
Long as you are compensated adequately for your labor everything is a okay and the status quo should be maintained.
600% pay raise is never ridiculous when the workers were not reenumerate adequately to start with. Imagine that university lecturers are asking for financial bribes. An indication of their poor compensation. Lecturers in Canada aren't asking for bribes and they are not of better moral standing. It is because they bloody well don't need to.
Ah, as for the sexism, the misogyny directed at female students and faculty by male lectures is deplorable. These male lectures need to evaluate now how their atrocious actions impacts on the response of the public to their labour struggles with the neo-colonial state.
You said:
"Get back to class, negotiate sensibly and you may be rewarded."
I say:
Don't go back to class, negotiate and deploy any other tactics to advance the working conditions of the lectures and all Kenyans.
so there Kamalet.
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Post by aeichener on Oct 27, 2006 1:16:43 GMT 3
Lucky you. Ati you get to move on whenever you're unhappy with the terms of your employment . The majority of workers don't have this as an option. *Sigh* You are right. "If they have no bread, why won't they eat cake?" Alexander |
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Post by KOLONEL BRISK on Oct 27, 2006 9:55:22 GMT 3
It would be right i belive to say we need a complete overhaul of the goverment. After years of neglect by respective past adminstrations today we are faced by issues that were suppose to have been addressed by sound leadership. Wages or salaries, laws and bylaws. This all need to be updated. We have been making piecemeal changes to suit politicians, judges e.t.c
The bedrock of a society is Good education, right from primary to University. This changes come at a cost but eventually we will reap the benefits. Unions are not the best, but they voice the needs of it's members namely the right to a decent salary and improved working conditions to name but a few. The Kenyan system is far beyond the need for reform. It has come to the point that it needs a complete overhaul. A radical shake-up of the structure of the Civil Service would lead to more accountability and improve the performance of goverment departments. Our past govts have operated like a supermarket. With improved performance of goverment departments, some of this problems will be addressed and arrested before they occur. Look at our fire Brigade. Are they functional beyond the airport boundaries? Are the firemen, Ambulance crew well compensated?
I hope we will learn a lesson from this crisis. I hope work safety will also be addressed by such great unions as COTU. I wish UASU well cos living here in Canada i see the goodness in resposible leadership, be it in the homes, at work or in goverment. The struggle continues! Aluta Continua!
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Oct 27, 2006 11:49:17 GMT 3
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Post by Onyango Oloo on Oct 27, 2006 11:50:53 GMT 3
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Post by aeichener on Oct 27, 2006 12:30:07 GMT 3
The bedrock of a society is Good education, right from primary to University. East Africans in general (not just Kenyans, but also Ugandans, Malawians and to a lesser extent Tanzanians) are obsessed with education for its own sake. Non vitae, sed scholae discimus.That is a good thing because it will ultimately ensure that - while nothing changes to the better - every matatu tout has an engineer's degree, and every hawker is at least an MBA. Alexander |
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Post by kamalet on Oct 27, 2006 14:49:26 GMT 3
Kamalet you are full of it! So many lectures and other trained people do leave the country for places where they can make a living wage. Why should Kenya train people who have to leave? Lucky you. Ati you get to move on whenever you're unhappy with the terms of your employment . The majority of workers don't have this as an option. So, do you suggest that they shut up and work? Well, if everyone just moved on rather than taking on the employer, there'd be too many folks, it would be the whole of the working country. And where by the way would these women and men be moving on to? But you Kamalet are "... a firm believer in proper remuneration for my services..." Long as you are compensated adequately for your labor everything is a okay and the status quo should be maintained. 600% pay raise is never ridiculous when the workers were not reenumerate adequately to start with. Imagine that university lecturers are asking for financial bribes. An indication of their poor compensation. Lecturers in Canada aren't asking for bribes and they are not of better moral standing. It is because they bloody well don't need to. Ah, as for the sexism, the misogyny directed at female students and faculty by male lectures is deplorable. These male lectures need to evaluate now how their atrocious actions impacts on the response of the public to their labour struggles with the neo-colonial state. You said: "Get back to class, negotiate sensibly and you may be rewarded." I say: Don't go back to class, negotiate and deploy any other tactics to advance the working conditions of the lectures and all Kenyans. so there Kamalet. Kathure, Oh yes I am full of it....eat your heart out. Seriously though, why should the lecturers feel so charitable to a country that has little respect for them? You rightly ask why should Kenya train people who have to leave? I presume you were not born where you are and were perhaps trained in Kenya......so what the heck are you doing there and not at home? You cannot sit out there and mourn about "molested" Kenyans shedding crocodile tears for them whilst you sit out there in western comfort! Let them also come over there if they can get employment!!!! It is not a case of luck that I can move on if I think my employer is not suitably remunerating me! It is a case of judgement on how much my services are worth and I go seek that out. If I cannot get a suitable alternative, then I stick it out with the measely salary! Surely that is not too hard to comprehend! |
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Post by KOLONEL BRISK on Oct 27, 2006 20:58:42 GMT 3
The bedrock of a society is Good education, right from primary to University. That is a good thing because it will ultimately ensure that - while nothing changes to the better - every matatu tout has an engineer's degree, and every hawker is at least an MBA. Alexander Oh yes with MBA to guide i could see franchise started and outsourcing of work to other cities. A new approach of marketing with the delivering of value coupons at home or at our work places. With an entrepreneur spirit we could go places. This will result in employment opportunities. In the western world namely Canada a shoemaker, Tailor is highly paid. yet in our own countries this skills are not highly appreciated. I still admire to this day the credit system that is used at home, you go to a shop and is able to take goods and pay at the end of the month. Lets develop this local industry and make them binding legally. In the Muslim countries this same system is common. I admire the Muslim countries who have implemented the Islamic banking, based on Islam. The essential feature of Islamic banking is that it is interest-free. Islam prohibits Muslims from taking or giving interest (riba) regardless of the purpose for which such loans are made and regardless of the rates at which interest is charged. Islamic banking represents a radical departure from conventional banking, and from the viewpoint of corporate governance, it embodies a number of interesting features since equity participation, risk and profit-and-loss sharing arrangements from the basis of Islamic financing. Because of the bank on interest (riba), an Islamic bank cannot charge any fixed return in advance, but rather participates in the yield resulting from the use of funds. The depositors also share in the profits according to predetermined ratio, and are rewarded with profit returns for assuming risk. Unlike a conventional bank which is basically a borrower and lender of funds, an Islamic bank is essentially a partner with its depositors, on the one side, and also a partner with entrepreneurs, on the other side, when employing depositors' funds in productive direct investment. We now see this banks springing up in Nations like U. K. I do belive we Africans do not belive in taking advantage of people who are in need, and that is why when we take stuff from a kiosk owner they do not charge us interest on the same. We can export this type of business to other countries like the muslim have done. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3547374.stm We can and are able to Africanise some services, and with sound knowledge we could fashion it and make it exemplary just the way we have done with CDF, which only need a little fine tuning. Thank you. |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Oct 31, 2006 6:27:11 GMT 3
Perhaps my views are calluos............. I Perhaps?.......Perhaps?........Perhaps? Jeez, the dichotomy of your thougts and feelings, the classic schizophrenic pull between good and evil, is unfortunately not even anticlimatic. We all know how "compassionate" the NARCKies and Baknistas are! Bravo for the small dose of "introspection". |
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Post by kamalet on Oct 31, 2006 9:16:56 GMT 3
Pmaniac,
It is really strange how NARC and Kibaki politics lives through your head whenever you wish to respond to any current affairs matter in these forums!
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Post by politicalmaniac on Oct 31, 2006 22:23:08 GMT 3
Pmaniac, It is really strange how NARC and Kibaki politics lives through your head whenever you wish to respond to any current affairs matter in these forums! Well The NARCKies and Baknistas are in control of the mess and quagmire the country finds itself in. So yes I cant divorce myself from reality. I live and breath it. I see the suffering of the masses courtesy of the kleptomaniacs in NARCK and the MKM cabal Martha says the job is way toooooo tough for her, "we can't do anything" about corruption she says. The inept ringera send half baked investigation files to the AG for prosecution. The AG sends them right back! The inept Labour minister (if we have one) cant smooth out labour discord. We have no foriegn policiy to speak off. Come think of it I ran into Dr Manduku former MP in Kisii in DC when that quisling tuju was in town and he narrated an interesting story. Briefly tuju was lamenting his impending flight back home "because the pressure there is just too much and I cant fight R alone. I have big mouths like mbwatana and kiunjuri, upstarts who have zero political acumen". The minister of education is busy selling exam papers, while the MKM gives scholarships to their kith and kin disproportionatley. I neednt add more. Way toooo depressing |
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Post by politicalmaniac on Oct 31, 2006 23:26:35 GMT 3
NARCK MINISTERS NOT DOING THEIR PARLIAMENTARY DUTY
Kaparo rage over piling Bills
By BENSON AMOLLO
Speaker of the National Assembly Francis ole Kaparo yesterday blamed the slack manner with which Parliament was passing Bills on the ministers whom he said did not take House business seriously.
THESE BUGGERS ARE JUST FUATARING THE NYAYO OF THEIR BOSS, BUSY SLEEPING IN STATE HOUSE.
IT IS A WELL KNOWN FACT THAT THE MINISTRY OF ROADS IS STILL OPERATING ON THE GUIDELINES ESTABLISHED BY RAILA
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